I’m taking another look at my Go Fly A Kite Muslims post because it ruffled the feathers of a few readers, which is to be expected on a site of this nature. Normally I wouldn’t, but I felt their arguments had some merit to them and needed to be explored further. I’d like to begin by addressing some of the comments made by indio, koft, and Papillon.
Indio was not pleased with my crack at the Pakistan Supreme Court nor my comment about them tolerating loud music. He went so far as to call me a Bush-voting redneck. A quick search on the net shows that a “ban” on music has been in place in many parts of Pakistan and has even driven some women to prostitution. “They have arrested video store owners, locked up singers caught performing in public, arrested musicians for “loitering” and ordered others to conceal their instruments.” While my comment may have come across as a flippant remark, it is based on fact. As for ripping on the Supreme Court, I shouldn’t even have to defend myself on that one. Banning music, allowing honour killings, and countless other injustices… you tell me with a straight face that their Supreme Court isn’t a joke. Yes, they’re making improvements, but they have a long way to go and I applaud their efforts.
Koft pointed out that I was buying into the hype and that people were attaching razor blades to the kites and engaging in kite fighting. While I agree kite fighting does take place and some people did use a metal reinforced wire, only one person died from that wire although serveral others were injured. The others were trampled to death in the crowds or fell from the rooftops of their home. While it’s very tragic, that does not justify a ban on such a popular pastime. I’m not buying into any hype, you are. You have painted this picture of razor blades flying through the sky killing people indiscriminately, when it’s just not true. My point is that any festival of that magnitude needs to have rules and regulations to ensure the safety of its patrons. A complete ban is archaic and does more harm than good. It was driven by Muslim hardliners who disapprove of the festival and not for safety reasons.
Lastly, Papillon accuses me of being insensitive towards the crowd and not understanding the plight of third world nations. Now let’s get something straight here. This website is called Religious Freaks for a reason. I give religions a hard time, not nationalities. That’s a very important distinction and I want people to understand that. My problem lies with the Muslim clerics that put pressure on government to have this festival shut down and kites banned, not with the Pakistani people.
One more note about this disaster of an article. I know that when I started this website, many people would be offended no matter how delicately I discussed the issue. So far, I felt that I have been relatively fair and open minded. What I don’t appreciate is being insulted by my readers and the hypocrisy that a few have displayed. Being called a Bush-voting redneck and insensitive is rather insulting and unjustified. But even more so, it’s the very definition of hypocrisy. Why is that I can criticize Christians all day long and nobody complains (not even the Christians), but as soon as I take a shot at Muslims, I’m suddenly a gung-ho insensitive Bush-voting redneck American hell bent on world domination? This is two-way street folks and every religion is on the table.
Your thoughts and opinions are always welcome.
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Gasmonso, I must commend you for facing up to the critiques, but at least *I* do not mind you dumping due ridicule on religious freaks regardless of their domination (and I haven’t detected any pro-muslim bias in the other comments). I don’t think that you deserved being called a “Bush-voting redneck”- sorry if I didn’t stand up for you more explicitly on that count, but you had already done a good job not proving otherwise in other posts.
However, let’s move on to more interesting points-
You haven’t acknowledged the argument about cultural differences and thus fail to understand that law, the rule of law, and the respect of law and public institutions in poorer and less democratic countries (re: militrary dictatorship of the moderate Parvez Musharaf in a country with strong fundamentalist leanings), are notions very specific to each country (and to each individual within). My advice is again, go to and live in a *safe* third world country with intense demographic pressures and cultural stresses (preferably linked to the heterogeneity of its people and neighbours), and you’ll understand that the chaos can be checked -in the short term- only and regretfully by rather “forceful” edicts and methods. I’m not condoning these (I’m sorry we’re not better acquainted, and that I don’t have the courage to have a blog- like you- to expound on this matter in a more public manner, I fervently uphold individual freedom and rights far beyond the humarn rights perspective), I’m just trying to help you understand that power mechanisms and societal structures are very different from the ones we can perceive merely by staying closeted in our first world ivory towers.
(I hope you are not going to respond aggressively, and specially not by a flippant- I’ve backpacked/ saved the world for x weeks there- I have such friends and they clearly haven’t had wide enough eyes.) Failing that, get yourself a few books, preferably autobiographies by clear thinking people like the press foreign correspondents (BBC’s John Simpson comes to mind) and read in between the lines, you’ll hopefully understand why your earlier comments were characterised as insensitive.
I resent being type-cast as a hypocrite and pro-some-religion in this article, but, we’re not discussing this over tea, this is your blog, and I am not going to tear down your article exhaustively on a point by point basis, nor do I expect you to want to engage in a long spitfire. Please do yourself justice and don’t deflect criticisms by attacking your readers.
I can only speak for myself, but the reason I read your website is because I have a not-too-dissimilar intolerance of religiosity (well woolly arguments in general), people disrespectful of my intellect and private space. So accept mistakes when you make them, learn from them and don’t hit back on reflex. I learn from your posts. You can hopefully learn from my criticisms.
Merry Christmas/Season’s greetings and happy New Year,
P (atheist who was raised as a believer and who indulges in the festive excesses of all religions whenever they are respectful of me. :-D )
Sorry gasmonso, for taking up so much space, but I made a few typos, not least of which at the end of the first paragraph, where it should read that you have proven that you are Not a “bush-voting redneck” in other posts. i.e., should read:
“…but you had already done a good job ["NOT" removed] proving otherwise in other posts.”
+ forgive the sometimes patronising tone, etc. I look forward to hearing your thoughful response to the above.
Ouh! Right on the spot!
Papillon might be right about not attacking undeserved critique, but i did love getting those precisions on pakistani laws. I only regret they exist at all…
Eh, we even see Jehovah witnesses refusing blood transfusions for their dying child, why not educated men and women continuing those saga of murderous horror under religion in Pakistan?
Really, Happy Chrismahankuwanzakah and to hell with Reigions.
Vincent
Thanks for chiming in again Papillon :)
While I will admit that I was somewhat insensitive, it was not intentionally aimed at Pakistan, or the people of that nation. It was directed at the hard-line Muslims who force their will on the people of Pakistan. Every nation has poverty and political problems, including the US and I understand that. My intent with the article was to attack the hard-liners for oppressing their people.
Some may say a ban on kite flying is trivial, but it’s not about the ban. It’s about the bigger issue of religion being used to ban it. Of course it’s a dangerous event, but so are many football games in Europe, Africa, and South America. Hundreds of people have died and countless more injured. But you don’t see football being banned. This is about religious oppression.
As for living in a third world nation, that’s beyond my reach. However, I have traveled extensively throughout Europe. In addition I have been to Albania, and many impoverished remote parts of China. While it’s no substitute for living there, it is something.
I’m am constantly trying to educate myself and learn from others. And I thank all of my readers for sharing their knowledge and opinions with me and the rest of the world on this website.
Happy Chrismahanukwanzawhatever :)
:-) ‘My pleasure, and keep up the good work, gasmonso.
Have never been to this site, but will bookmark based on what I read today. I find it hard to believe in a society that prides itself on tolerance, that a different opinion would stir violent acts and emotions. Get a grip people. You are one of 12 billion people in the world. Each has a different lifestyle, family, and religious beleif. I do not want to lose my liberties to someone elses beliefs. If I want to pray 6 times a day, I will. If I do not want to believe in anything, that is my choice. If I want to throw a cracker down my throat and chase it with a glass of wine, my perogative. My life, My choice. Your life, your choice.
To ask the Muslims to reflect on why they are perceived as evil by humanity is an exercise in futility. Not since Hitler’s Germany has there been as great a threat to civilization. There is no silver lining here.
interesting story,
if Gasmonso is under fire and calls them the enemy, will this site be one of them?
“Electronic Jihad 3.0″
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,307601,00.html
“Islamist hackers are in action against untold numbers of anti-Muslim sites.”
Gasmonso has already been hit by hackers like those. I find such groups self-defeating in the long run. The only reason they fear and fight to prevent free-speech is that they are afraid of it. Why are they afraid of free-speech? Because they know that the way they practice their religion cannot stand up to open and honest analysis. Deep down, they know they are wrong about their faith. If their beliefs were true, they’d stand on their own without their ‘jihad’.
Thanks Sidaiwu. I remember your last comment to my question, about wisdom, much apprecaited.
i believe Gasmonso should be back sometime in Nov-Dec, but i could be wrong, only guessing.
Hopefully his site won’t crash if they do mark his site.
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