Do you want to know why homosexuals push for acceptance?

If a homosexual can marry, homosexuals will finally be near to having the same civil rights as heterosexuals. Let’s examine what marriage can do for you, and what not being married can do if you have a partner.

1) Medical decisions.
An unmarried partner (cohabitating as it were) has no rights to make medical decisions for you, they cannot be present in your hospital room, and cannot be admitted unless you demand their admittance(and in this case you are most likely unconscious and near death). So, your life goes into the hands of your family, which may be hostile to you and your partner for being homosexual. They may make decisions that you or your partner would not agree with, such as euthanasia/lack thereof.

2) Will.
Should a hostile family feel the desire to challenge your partner’s will, they can easily overturn it if you are not married to them, and they can kick you penniless out on the street.

Do I even need to go on?

Ford was promoting homosexual behavior. That is like promoting smoking, adultery or any other unhealthy and self destructive behavior. If homosexuals were not pushing acceptance of their sexual behavior as something healthy and good, Christians would not be speaking out against it. Privacy is a beautiful thing.

The conflict is a two way street. Adult sex is private. Promoting adult sexual behaviors - healthy or unhealthy, should not be a “struggle” carried out in the public square and in the public schools among other people’s children. It should not be imposed on people by authority and power.

It is hard to get angry with Christians who condemn homosexual behaviors in public when homosexuals make it a point to promote their private behaviors in public and especially target children. This is a fight that will continue until people respect privacy.

Here are some thoughts that have occurred to me…

All of you are too smart to understand. “Unless you become as a little child, you will not enter the Kingdom of God.”

You can’t see. “Unless you are ‘born again’, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.” It requires a LEAP of faith.

We do not change ourselves. We have to ask God to change us then He has to drag us (kicking and screaming) through change. God is able to make us compatible enough or perhaps solid enough so we won’t be crushed in His presence.

Becoming Christ-like doesn’t refer to the physical but rather the spirit, which can retain or lose it’s soul (the part of you that hopes and dreams and gets upset at me). Jesus did say, “If you see Me you’ve seen the Father”. So, Jesus was Father-like.

You are an immortal soul. So the question seems to be: Do you want to be accepted or rejected forever?

I rejected Jesus Christ for many years, searched everwhere then found the answer was right in front of me. Granted, church can sometimes seem a little weird, but I’ve found that in most churches, there is at least one person who is very close to God. I am not concerned with titles, positions, orgaizations, but rather the “fruit” - patience, love, compassion, etc.

Since I didn’t bring up any Christian doctors on this thread (as far as I remember), I cannot speak to your first point. Those whom you accuse of ad hominem will have to speak for themselves, in this case.

As for your second point, what can I say? But to complain about the amount of money spent on AIDS research (which, from a world-wide perspective is largely a heterosexual, African pandemic, not an American, homosexual one) in light of obesity expenditures is like complaining of a paper cut when arm is being sawed off. It’s an order of magnitude of difference.

“Obesity is a different subject.”

Not according to your objection to funding AIDS research. You don’t want AIDS funding because AIDS is preventable through self-control. Obesity is identically preventable and MUCH more expensive.

According to Phylosophy, you’re using the fallacy of Argumentum ad hominum in your points. For example:

You (or your supporters) are saying:
- 4+4 is not 8 because a Christian doctor said it.
- 2.7 billion dollars doesn’t matter because they spend more on obesity.

Obesity is a different subject. Most people would agree that it too is wrong and a burden on society. I don’t know what the total numbers are for treating AIDS and/or gay related illnesses, versus the numbers for treating obesity, but it doesn’t matter. Obesity is a different subject.

I made that post over half a year ago, so it may take me a bit to get my head back into the topic. I’ll give it a shot though.

“It’s still billions of dollars ($90 times 300 million is $2.7 billion) spent because people can’t control themselves. That’s BS”

Hmm, let’s see. At least $37.6 billion dollars in tax dollars is spent on overweight and obesity related illnesses. That’s about 14 TIMES as much as is spent on those with aids. Oh, and costs around $13 billion in Medicare costs alone for smoking related illnesses, almost 5 TIMES that of total AIDS funding. I’m sure alcohol related costs are similarly high. That’s a lot to spend because people can’t control themselves.

In other words, if you are going to make an economic case for banning sodomy, there are much bigger fish to fry first. We should start by banning desserts, fried foods, and soft drinks. Then, we need to outlaw tobacco and alcohol. Only then does it make financial sense to tackle the smaller preventable illness costs, such as STDs.

Most people feel that the savings to the taxpayer is not worth limiting individual freedoms. Why is the same not true for the MUCH smaller cost of AIDS treatment?

“And regarding the inaccuracies of the Bible, all of the so-called inaccuracies have been explained.”

But not adequately. I would love to discuss this, but I want to make sure you first have an opportunity to reply to my rebuttal.

The people producing the reports are doctors stating facts. Real diseases and problems associated with homosexuals doing things that their bodies weren’t made to do. If the doctor said 2 plus 2 is four you would say “no it’s not because a Christian said it.”

sidfaiwu Said:
>According to these two sources, I calculate the average
>cost per tax payer to be less then $90. According to this
>CDC article, homosexuals only make up about 50% of those
>with Aids in the US. Thus you are complaining about less
>than $7.50 a month on average to pay for Aids research
>that would benefit homosexuals. Oh yeah, and a portion of
>Aids funding goes towards abstinence-only programs.

So what? It’s still billions of dollars ($90 times 300 million is $2.7 billion) spent because people can’t control themselves. That’s BS

And regarding the inaccuracies of the Bible, all of the so-called inaccuracies have been explained. Unfortunately I don’t have time to research it now. If you insist on continuing with your accusations of Bible inaccuracies, I will research and find the answers to each of the questions you have posted.

Seriously though, you have just as much knowledge of that as I do. What I just stated was from a book writen by a man around a hundred years ago, it also includes real places and history. The bible is just as much proof of the beyond and unknown as the Cthulhu Mythos.

Whenever my consiousness decides to terminate its lease on my simple meat-shell of a body, do you really want me to come back and tell you the truth of the otherside? Do you think you could actually understand that which you have no capacity to frame in understanding? Its not a question I dwell on. Look at the username. HUMANISTIC Jones, we humanists tend to focus on living this life and making it as good as possible by enriching ourselves and others. Leave death to the dead and the next life to those in it. I’m alive and that’s my focus.

WHY WHY WHY is it that you equate you’re belief that their must be a god with proof for your ancient story about a half god half man with super powers getting slaughtered to save the world. Why do you beleve that if god exists he MUST be as described in that collection of myths and contradictions?

Personally I don’t believe that there is a god, but arguing about god and arguing about christianity are two distinct, seperate topics. You cannot prove or disprove one with the other.

Why don’t you believe in scientology. It’s got a book with neat stories, it’s probably accurate in a few provable points, and probably isn’t even riffled with contradictions. I’ll tell you why… because it’s ridiculous. It’s a huge load of crap and it’s easy for most people to see that because they haven’t been taught it their whole lives.