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	<description>Have faith in yourself</description>
	<pubDate>Tue,  6 Jan 2009 09:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hyrocket</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-291975</link>
		<dc:creator>hyrocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*yawn* Dr Skaggs, say's that a 10-20min nap is good for you. i love naps and i agree we need naps and it helps you be more productive in everything you do. 
*yawn* i love naps because it's good for you and i love shopping online and reading your comments. yes, you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*yawn* Dr Skaggs, say&#8217;s that a 10-20min nap is good for you. i love naps and i agree we need naps and it helps you be more productive in everything you do.<br />
*yawn* i love naps because it&#8217;s good for you and i love shopping online and reading your comments. yes, you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WhyBother</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-291746</link>
		<dc:creator>WhyBother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Those same people with hoods and burning crosses were, of course, not christian"

Very low intelligence indeed, that you can't see the very simple fact that they THOUGHT THEY WERE CHRISTIANS just like the prejudice-defending posters on this page THINK THEY ARE CHRISTIANS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those same people with hoods and burning crosses were, of course, not christian&#8221;</p>
<p>Very low intelligence indeed, that you can&#8217;t see the very simple fact that they THOUGHT THEY WERE CHRISTIANS just like the prejudice-defending posters on this page THINK THEY ARE CHRISTIANS.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-266110</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I liked, will be looking at your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I liked, will be looking at your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Neando</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-235152</link>
		<dc:creator>Neando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca, you say some interesting things.  Your loose Bible quote seems to come from the first letter of John: 
"If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen," and "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer."  This seems to imply that those people who call themselves "Christian" but behave hypocritically, as you describe, are liars and hypocrites.  This probably is a fair call.  

If you behave the way you describe of yourself, well, this is commendable.  But you seem to be saying that if a person  claims to be a Christian (a follower of Christ), then it would be proper for him to behave in a virtuous manner and that maybe you would approve of this.  

However, if I read foobear right (and I can't guarantee that), he seems to be saying that the moral expectations proper to Christians are not the same as for Atheists, because Atheism can provide no foundations for virtuous behaviour even if, as in your case, virtuous behaviour is preferred or idealized.  

I can't think of any basis to call an Atheist a hypocrite in the same sense as religious hypocrites.  A religious hypocrite is such because his behaviour is condemned by the religion he professes which prescribes it.  Atheism provides no basis for moral prescription despite protests to the contrary.  The best atheistic thinkers have acknowledge this. Much of the morality of Western atheism can be attributed to a distorted hang-over influence of Judeo-Christian culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, you say some interesting things.  Your loose Bible quote seems to come from the first letter of John:<br />
&#8220;If anyone says, &#8216;I love God,&#8217; yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For the person who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen,&#8221; and &#8220;Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer.&#8221;  This seems to imply that those people who call themselves &#8220;Christian&#8221; but behave hypocritically, as you describe, are liars and hypocrites.  This probably is a fair call.  </p>
<p>If you behave the way you describe of yourself, well, this is commendable.  But you seem to be saying that if a person  claims to be a Christian (a follower of Christ), then it would be proper for him to behave in a virtuous manner and that maybe you would approve of this.  </p>
<p>However, if I read foobear right (and I can&#8217;t guarantee that), he seems to be saying that the moral expectations proper to Christians are not the same as for Atheists, because Atheism can provide no foundations for virtuous behaviour even if, as in your case, virtuous behaviour is preferred or idealized.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of any basis to call an Atheist a hypocrite in the same sense as religious hypocrites.  A religious hypocrite is such because his behaviour is condemned by the religion he professes which prescribes it.  Atheism provides no basis for moral prescription despite protests to the contrary.  The best atheistic thinkers have acknowledge this. Much of the morality of Western atheism can be attributed to a distorted hang-over influence of Judeo-Christian culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-234614</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another bible quote the christians never seem to remember:  If you hate your brother then you hate God, because God loves all things.

and yo yo foobear.  what the shit is that shit about the most "commonly" held beliefs of atheists?  Just because I don't believe in your god doesn't mean I don't believe in good or evil !!  I belive I live my life more "christianly" than most I meet who claim to be christians. I read that stuff!!  I am kind and generous, I am helpful and do not judge, I disavow the money changer, i don't blame others, and would help even an enemy in times of need if I were able.  HOWEVER, I'm not christian and don't subscribe to any belief of structured religion.  Most of the christians I know seem to embrace most of the 7 deadly sins, pride greed glutton envy sloth lust anger (is that them?  can't remember)  most christian churches i see only want money and don't help anyone but themselves.  How dare you make those statements about athiests?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another bible quote the christians never seem to remember:  If you hate your brother then you hate God, because God loves all things.</p>
<p>and yo yo foobear.  what the shit is that shit about the most &#8220;commonly&#8221; held beliefs of atheists?  Just because I don&#8217;t believe in your god doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t believe in good or evil !!  I belive I live my life more &#8220;christianly&#8221; than most I meet who claim to be christians. I read that stuff!!  I am kind and generous, I am helpful and do not judge, I disavow the money changer, i don&#8217;t blame others, and would help even an enemy in times of need if I were able.  HOWEVER, I&#8217;m not christian and don&#8217;t subscribe to any belief of structured religion.  Most of the christians I know seem to embrace most of the 7 deadly sins, pride greed glutton envy sloth lust anger (is that them?  can&#8217;t remember)  most christian churches i see only want money and don&#8217;t help anyone but themselves.  How dare you make those statements about athiests?</p>
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		<title>By: irishthunder</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, why waste any of your time and worry on something as stupid as who SOMEONE ELSE likes to have sex with as long as it's between consenting adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, why waste any of your time and worry on something as stupid as who SOMEONE ELSE likes to have sex with as long as it&#8217;s between consenting adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/01/18/christian-hypocrites-declare-war-on-common-sense/#comment-97524</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither science nor logic will ever be able to prove that being a homosexual is the same as being a member of an ethnic group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither science nor logic will ever be able to prove that being a homosexual is the same as being a member of an ethnic group.</p>
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		<title>By: unsaved</title>
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		<dc:creator>unsaved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Judge not, lest ye be judged" ... Fundamentalist Christians never think of that one, do they? They never lose arguments (in their own minds) because they believe that they are always right, because they are speaking for God, while their opponent is inspired be the Devil. How much more arrogant can you get? Added to this, they can behave as badly as they want, so long as they apologise to God afterwards.
They don't think like adults, or even reasonably intelligent children, because they have chosen to abdicate any responsibility for their actions
I heard a long time ago - "people who can't cope with life turn to drugs, and people who can't cope with drugs become born again Christians" - and thought that was cynical until I actually got to know a few!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Judge not, lest ye be judged&#8221; &#8230; Fundamentalist Christians never think of that one, do they? They never lose arguments (in their own minds) because they believe that they are always right, because they are speaking for God, while their opponent is inspired be the Devil. How much more arrogant can you get? Added to this, they can behave as badly as they want, so long as they apologise to God afterwards.<br />
They don&#8217;t think like adults, or even reasonably intelligent children, because they have chosen to abdicate any responsibility for their actions<br />
I heard a long time ago - &#8220;people who can&#8217;t cope with life turn to drugs, and people who can&#8217;t cope with drugs become born again Christians&#8221; - and thought that was cynical until I actually got to know a few!</p>
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		<title>By: cactuspete</title>
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		<dc:creator>cactuspete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is imaginary:  I contend we are all atheists.  When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss your god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is imaginary:  I contend we are all atheists.  When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss your god.</p>
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		<title>By: Arktis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arktis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no answer, huh?  Hmm.

Foobear, please stop using cliche schoolyard non-retorts.  That sort of thing works on a impressionable naive kid but not on any reasonable critical adult.

"I can have a personal 'ethic' whereby I murder and rape anyone I can find and get away with. Works perfectly well without God."

That's nice.  We're talking about beneficial ethics, as in beneficial to individuals and society as a whole, not the kind of thing that gets you thrown into a state prison for the rest of your life.  Please stick to the issues.

"There is no right and wrong, no good and evil, only grey."

Nice job incorrectly paraphrasing some complex things in an overly simplistic way.  The "no right and wrong" part referrs to right and wrong being outmoded concepts invented by man to describe positive and negative results.  This doesn't invalidate what those concepts are describing.  In fact, we can all agree that having a certain degree positive moral ethical values is integral to the long term survival of any civilization.

The "grey" part is only to state that there are no absolutely black and white issues, since that sort of good vs. evil dichotomy doesn't actually exist outside of simplistic religiously colored world views.

Please, try to think like an adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no answer, huh?  Hmm.</p>
<p>Foobear, please stop using cliche schoolyard non-retorts.  That sort of thing works on a impressionable naive kid but not on any reasonable critical adult.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can have a personal &#8216;ethic&#8217; whereby I murder and rape anyone I can find and get away with. Works perfectly well without God.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s nice.  We&#8217;re talking about beneficial ethics, as in beneficial to individuals and society as a whole, not the kind of thing that gets you thrown into a state prison for the rest of your life.  Please stick to the issues.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no right and wrong, no good and evil, only grey.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice job incorrectly paraphrasing some complex things in an overly simplistic way.  The &#8220;no right and wrong&#8221; part referrs to right and wrong being outmoded concepts invented by man to describe positive and negative results.  This doesn&#8217;t invalidate what those concepts are describing.  In fact, we can all agree that having a certain degree positive moral ethical values is integral to the long term survival of any civilization.</p>
<p>The &#8220;grey&#8221; part is only to state that there are no absolutely black and white issues, since that sort of good vs. evil dichotomy doesn&#8217;t actually exist outside of simplistic religiously colored world views.</p>
<p>Please, try to think like an adult.</p>
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