UPDATE Feb 4, 2006:
MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE:
ALL 12 CARTOONS ARE HERE
Last September, the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, published 12 cartoon images of Muhammed thus infuriating Muslims. They were later published on January 10 by a Norwegian evangelical newspaper which apparently was the last straw. I have aquired the images and posted two of my favorites for everyone to see.
In the first image we see Muhammed telling some suicide-bombers to stop because there aren’t any virgins left in Paradise. This of course is reference to the promised reward of 72 Virgins for a Muslim martyr.
This photo in my opinion represents the violence that many people feel Muhammed preaches of. Specifically I thinks it’s a reference to the Muslim tradition of suicide-bombings that have occured around the world.
While these cartoons are clearly not flattering in any respect, they are loosely based on truth. In recent years, we have seen an enormous amount of suicide-bombings carried out by Muslims for various causes. In addition to that this, it is clearly spelled out in the Muslim doctrine that any martyr will be rewarded with 72 virgins for their actions, not just one or two, but 72! I don’t know about you, but I can barely handle one woman, much less 72. The sheer logistics are staggering. But back to the point here. Muslims have created this perception of violence by carrying out acts of violence. Just look at the response to the cartoons. Muslim gunmen stormed an EU office carrying grenades, RPGs, and machine guns! How can anyone take them serious when something like this occurs?
I feel that Muslims are angry over these cartoons because there is some truth to them and that hurts more than anything else.
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006:
MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
ALL 12 CARTOONS ARE HERE
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January 30th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
most muslims are angry because the pictures do not accurately portray islam at all
those muslims who storm the EU office are angry because some ‘heathen’ used Mohammed in an unflattering light
but these muslims are hated by normal muslims more than jerry falwell is hated by most christians
I can’t remember exactly where the verse for the 72 virgins comes from, but I believe most muslims would never claim terrorists as martyrs
January 30th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
The Koran clearly calls for the destruction of all infidels meaning all individuals that do not believe in Muhammed as the chosen one. A good reference for this is http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html While many Muslims may not agree with this behavior it is still well supported by millions and several Muslim countries like Iran, Syria, etc. Until more is done by the Muslim governments and the people that support them I feel cartoons like this are warranted.
January 30th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
gasmonso,
Your use for the word “favorite” in reference to these pictures seems rather displaced, I must say.
January 30th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
Not really Mike, the others weren’t as good. I’m getting real tired of people being over sensitive about religious topics. Every religion opens itself to criticism and humor when they push it on others. Christians, Muslims, and others are constantly trying to recruit new members and force their will upon the masses. Whether it’s a Jehovah witness knocking on my door, Christians trying to influence politics in the US, or Muslims preaching the destruction of infidels on Aljazeera. When your religion interferes with my life, that gives me every right to express my opinions and feelings.
January 31st, 2006 at 1:08 am
> those muslims who storm the EU office > are angry because some ‘heathen’ used > Mohammed in an unflattering light > but these muslims are hated by normal > muslims more than jerry falwell is > hated by most christians Really? Then why don’t they do something about it?! Are they cowardly, or stupid? Oh, yeah, the Palestinians just did elect an Islamist government… I wonder if the same thing won’t happen in Iraq at some point… >> I’m getting real tired of people being >> over sensitive about religious topics. >> Every religion opens itself to >> criticism and humor when they push it >> on others. Here here! Why is it that for every other facet of public life in America, criticism, debate, and satire is encouraged, but when it comes to religion, we’re supposed to "respect religious beliefs"? ?? Why not demand that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence? Why not put religion under the same critical lens under which we put politics, newsmakers, celebrities, &c.? Religion should not be ‘off-limits’. It should compete openly in the marketplace for ideas. The only religion, it seems, that it’s ok to really openly make fun of in the United States is Scientology. Easy target, I guess. I find it funny, though, that my religious friends can laugh at Scientology as foolish, when their belief systems are equally unfalsifiable, equally ‘magical’, equally logically inconsistent and unevidenced. But if I were to point this out, of course I would be the intolerant jerk. I find it odd that they can laugh at Tom Cruise’s antics, but react in horror and disgust at the television show "Book of Daniel" airing on network television, because it does some humor-based jabbing at the church (I’m sure it will be pulled, BTW). Hurray for the Danes, I say. Islam is crap.
January 31st, 2006 at 4:42 am
Please don’t use answering-islam.org as a reference for any comments about Islam. I’ve read quite a few of their articles and all of them are biassed. At places, the Quran and Hadith call for being harsh to the non believers. At other places, they call for being tolerant and kind to all of mankind. Of course, sites like the above skip the latter parts. If you want the real view of Islam on Jihad and/or treatment of non muslims, get your hands on a good translation of a classical book of Islamic law and read it with someone who’s studied it rather than pick off a page from a site that’s dedicated to "answering Islam". Of course, this is only if you’re really interested.
January 31st, 2006 at 3:00 pm
yes, most muslims involved in the war have no idea what they are believing in, they ar emere pwans used by (mostly) CIA trained angry people. also, they are upset because their religion forbids any depiction of mohamed, any at all. satire is beside the point. Its stupid, but the paper appogizes for upsetting people. this should pass in time (i hope)
January 31st, 2006 at 11:45 pm
Muslims are angry because you can’t represent the prophet. It’s the Islamic Law. Just like the christian law that says you can’t make idols…
I know many people who get angry if I say something totally disrepectful to their mother or father or friend… We should just respect the muslims for their will.
But it’s clear that their diplomacy isn’t quite good when they want something. Burning a flag (which isn’t so bad in our countries) or killing innocent are just the sign of a “young” civilisation that just doesn’t know how to express itself. Just like the french youth that did their riots. Let’s just hope that they will get a little bit more clever.
February 1st, 2006 at 8:30 am
I am Muslim and I am very mad of what i’ve seen i don’t like any body to make fun of what i belive because i do respect all the religion in the world and i want from the none Muslim to respect islam as we do respect their belive.
February 1st, 2006 at 11:11 am
Sara, and all the offended. What can I say… Get over it. If you trully believe in your religion this shouldn’t mean anything to you.
We have the freedom of speech if you don’t like it, turn the page.
I am a Christian and I laugh my ass off watching the guys at South Park incorporate Jesus into their twisted cartoons. If you haven’t seen any of the episodes I highly recommend you give it a try. You may develop a sense of humor….
February 1st, 2006 at 11:25 am
I agree Jack. Just because a cartoon appears in a newspaper or Jesus appears on Southpark does not justify burning flags and storming buildings with guns. It doesn’t even justify protests in my mind. It’s just ignorant and in the end does nothing but disgrace your religion more than what you were upset about.
February 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pm
Oh yeah, one more thing. I found this website because I was curious to see all 12 pictures.
Could you please post them? or at least a link?
Thanks,
Jack
February 2nd, 2006 at 12:56 am
Islam does not consider suicide bombing as martyr. Beside there is no such thing that martyr will be given 72 virgin.
People has prejudice about Islam and get the wrong information from Internet or other source.
The site “http://www.answering-islam.org ” is created by non-muslims , so most of the information on this site is just command of non-muslims.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:43 am
Icke tycka om muslim
Tycka muslim vara trist
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:40 am
In the quoran it doesn’t say anything not making pictures of holy persons. As usual the idiotic things invented in religions are made by men who interpret the profets in a way the probably wasn’t meant by themselves. The rule not to make pictures of Mohammed was "invented" 200 years after his passing. Besides if it is really a crime against God why not let God give the sinners a punishment? Humans should only punish crimes against humans. And what prejudices do you have against non-muslims? Are you any better? And my beliefs are that it should be OK to make jokes about everything. It’s God’s gift to us to survive all the bad things that happen. Making jokes about muslims make the fear of getting in the way of a suicide bomber easier. Why can’t you respect my beliefs Muslim? Why should we always respect your ways but you never ours? And where was your respect for other religions when the Giant Buddhas in Afghanistan was destroyed by Muslims? If you don’t like my beliefs then ignore them instead of making more trouble in the world that there already is.
February 2nd, 2006 at 10:02 am
Freedom of Expression is what is being undermined here.
The behaviors of the unsavory islamic extremists underscores the rift that exists between western and mid-eastern ideals. It is going to be a LONG time before these fanatical tribesmen come to the table with any civility, or hope for genuine peace.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!! Keep your God-Dogma out of the political arena!!! or this is what you get. Do we have to have ANOTHER religious war?
Bets on how many months until Iraq breaks down into civil war…I vote 15 months…
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:23 am
Let Alah defend himself. Muslim extremists remind me of the Prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel.
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:01 pm
UR ALL GONNA BURN IN HELL!
THIS SITE IS SHIT! CAME ACROSS IT ON GOOGLE
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:03 pm
Much ado about nothing!!
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm
I’m not burning in hell because it doesn’t exist my friend :)
February 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm
You gentlemen that excised your right to tell the truth about my fellow Muslims were right on. There is no excuse for the despicable way they act at every turn. “I don’t like the way you looked at the Ali Baba Mosque. I will kill you all for the love of Allah…and maybe to be getting some ass off these 72 hotties.” That is about how stupid they act. I am ashamed to be associated with idiots on even a religious level.
February 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pm
the danish had a right to express their opinion. they did not intend to offend Islam. the muslims who boycotted, rebelled, etc. also have their right to express their outrage. they did not intend to offend all the Danes. but that is what happened on both sides. If you offend anyone, don’t expect not to get a reaction…
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Religious fruitcakes are religious fruitcakes. Here in the US, we’ve got wacko Christians that assassinate doctors who perform abortions, like Dr. Slepian a few years back.
In Israel, you’ve got wacko jews who try to kill Israeli officials for not doing the ‘right’ thing.
All over the world, you’ve got PETA wackos doing their thing. If Islam and the other groups would simply clean up their wackos, people would stop making fun of them.
And getting violent over a cartoon ? I know these folks want to live in the middle ages again but c’mon, people. Read a book or take up knitting or something. Silly people.
February 2nd, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Fuck em
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:03 pm
They jump up and down on the Danish flag like monkeys fighting over a banana,they are animals.I love when the burn flags because there is always one idiot who catches on fire.Why does the media even give it air time is it for the amusement or does the media like to stir shit up.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Muslims have the right to express outrage when their belief system is ridiculed, as have other religious groups i.e. Jews and Christians when their beliefs are ridiculed. The bullying attitude that the so-called “middle ages”, “backward-thinking”, “degenerate” Muslims use when confronted differs in no way from the retaliatory attacks against innocent women, childern and men that The State of Israel and the United States have carried out. Isreal has terrorized the Middle East over decades, using money donated without restriction from the United States economy. Following attacks on the United States on 9/11, President Bush wrongfully accused Iraq of housing Al-Qaeda. I quote CNN from June 17th 2004… “Bush, in a brief appearance before reporters, was asked why the administration insists that Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda had a relationship “when even you have denied any connection between Saddam and September 11, and now the September 11 commission says that there was no collaborative relationship at all?”
The president answered:”The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.”"
Starting a war on false pretences is not a mature, modern approach to perceived threats or rather imagined threats i.e. invisible, non-existant “weapons of mass destruction”. All supporters of the Bush regime should think twice about critcizing the actions of the Muslim community, as by virtue of their suppport of their President, they are equally responsible for reprehensible acts against humanity occurring throughout the world.
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Three cheers for “gasmonso”… he puts it plainly. For clarification please read the following webpage… it should be read by anyone condoning the current world view of war on terror or terror in the name of war or whatever side of the religious fundamentalist movement you find yourself on…..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/science-must-destroy-reli_b_13153.html
February 2nd, 2006 at 4:56 pm
Don’t be so naive. It’s not just a cartoon. It’s what it represents to some hard core Muslims.I do believe in freedom of speech, but we also have to expect repercussions and the implications of those freedoms. Comparing cartoons of Jesus and Mohammed are different since Christianity has largely declined in the west whereas Muslims associate their religion much closer with their personal identity exacerbated by post 9/11 politics. Come on guys, if you make fun of my mom, I might just make fun of your mom too. My mom is dear to me, but i do have a sense of humor. My oldest brother might take offense and may tell you to stop doing it. My younger brother might call you an asshole. But my father would definitely hurt you. So it goes with the Muslim world. Some won’t give a shit, some will boycott, some will resort to violence. If I insult the Brazilian soccer team and draw cartoons of them fucking each other up the ass, I should expect to die when I go to Brasil or at least get beat up since soccer is religion down there. I should be willing to die or get beat up for “my freedom.” I wonder how many of us would really test “freedom of speech” if we knew the next day we would get fired(like the french editor of France Soir) from our jobs, have our lives threatened, or receive death threats. I would if the cause was that great. but just to test the freedom of the press or freedom of speech…, that’s what you get. Just go to Hawaii and insult some of the local practices and the people just to test your freedom of speech, and I guarantee you, you will not walk away in one piece. As far as arabs not having a sense of humor, just don’t fuck with people that might not have a sense of humor. I have lots of Samoan friends who I can make jokes with, but to do it randomly among other Samoan dudes I don’t know, I aint going to fuck with that if you know what I mean.
I just don’t like the tenor of some of these threads in terms of how it’s us vs them..us Europeans and Americans versus arabs. Not all Muslims are burning flags, not all Muslims are boycotting dairy products, not all Muslims are calling for violence, but if the western media is going adhere to principles of freedom of the press, then it has to deal with the repercussions and be willing to defend them. The Danish paper had the right to do what it did within the constrainst of its national laws. Danish Prime Minister Rasmussen had also a right not to interfere and also had the right later to apologize along with the paper’s right also to apologize. Some Muslims also had the right to boycott, protest, demand apology, and burn flags(we burn flags here in the US). As far as violence, well, it’s only a few that are getting too much media attention since who the hell wants to see Muslims displaying restraint and engaging in fruitful dialogue…Face it, it makes boring TV and news in the US. It’s not that to villify Islam, but violence and sensationalism makes big bucks for TV and newspapers. In the US, if something like this were to happened to the Jews, you would have problems, if it happened to the blacks, you would have problems….look at the LA Uprisings of 1992 which became a national eruption(i guess we are fanatics too, and blacks are too sensitive…come on…they didn’t beat up rodney king, they just tapped him a little too hard), if it happened to Muslims and Asians, media maybe able to get away with it. Now that some Muslims are not letting the West get away with it, let’s not be sourgrapes. Remember whitefolks got away with alot of things in the US and South Africa until blackfolks got fed up and said….”we are not going to take your shit anymore.” So i can understand where some(not all) Muslims are coming from.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 pm
The bottom line is some day there will be a final confrontation between Muslims a the rest of the world. The Muslims fanatics will control governments and their weapons. At some point the rest of the world will have to take final action to stop them from destroying civilization. It will be a holocaust for the lossing side. Not sure who will win at the end.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pm
In the Western Tradition, we keep religion and state and press separate. We giver religions pretty much the unfettered right to teach, preach and do as they please, we give our press the same kind of rights, both only limited by secular laws which may regulate them both within reason.
I see this as matter purely for the consciences of the members of the press, not one for religions or political sensorship.
I think the Danes were mistaken to apologize, this was nothing more than an exercise in the valued, protected and coveted free speech we enjoy in the west. Every newspaper in the west should republish these cartoons as a sign of solidarity.
Muslims should look to themselves as the cause for the messages contained in these cartoons–they harbor terrorists under their laws of hospitality, they apparently have never had the mirror turned to their faces to understand how the rest of the world (at least the western world views them), (and I don’t care what they say) collectively those in power in the Muslim world preach and endorse violence against the west.
Its time they looked themselves closely and make significant changes–starting with Hamas!
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pm
In 1975 when the war started in Lenanon between Lebanese Christian against Palestinien and Syrien moslem .I use to say they are stupid to fight for religion.
Today in 2006 I am 60 years old .I say sorry to the Lebanese Christian. you were right.
Now we start to see the danger when it reach your doors.
February 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pm
In Reply to “N” above (post #6) who wrote in part:”At places, the Quran and Hadith call for being harsh to the non believers. At other places, they call for being tolerant and kind to all of mankind.”
The very fact that any part of your Quran says treat non-believers harshly is enough to outweigh any other parts–first because you are admitting your Quran is inconsistent and second because it contains the material that extremists will seize upon–Osama Bin Laden is not chosing to rely on the parts that say be tolerant or kind now is he?
Our New Testament, has a lot of other inconsistencies, but at least it doesn’t have Jesus commanding christians to convert the “infidel” by the sword and other such stuff. In fact, a lesson comes from him, he said turn the other cheek and that’s what muslims ought to do because pictures and words will not destroy their religion and these cartoons tap into the perception of muslims and the middle east that muslims have allowed us to form of them. Control your wackos, admit Israel has a right to exist, shut down Iran’s nuclear operations; finish off the Taliban (which is regrouping as I write). Stop bombing resorts in southeast Asia, close the fundamentalist schools that are training muslims to hate, allow democracy in muslim nations and separate religion from state and maybe the west will justifiably suffer some angst when the freedom of speech we have allows the publication of such cartoons…until then, you have both an image problem and a need to clean your own glass house before you muslims start throwing stones….Oh I forgot you’ve been thowing stones for years now in that very glass house now being called Palestine, which is why nobody takes you seriously there….
February 2nd, 2006 at 11:28 pm
Its obvious that the muslim world could care less what happens to anyone outside of their religion. Look how they hate Jews Christians and anything “Westernâ€. One little cartoon and theyre ready for an all out holy war and theyre ready to take it out on anyone western who is close and convieniently available for a good old fashioned kidnapping. They are not at war but they are looking for any excuse to have one. So many of them think that we are out to get them that the Islamic media feeds on it like American media feeds on sensationalism. Even the so called “moderate†muslim countries such as Egypt had stories talking about how we have infested the heart of the arab world with our troops and they should do what they can to retaliate. It incites the very violence that caused 9/11. Im tired of this crap. Its gonna get a lot worse before it gets any better. If they want their holy war then lets give it to them with a heavy hand like the world has never seen. In the immortal words of that famous boxing ring announcer, I say to all muslim radical idiots out there “Lets Get It On†!!
February 3rd, 2006 at 5:28 am
ulan orospu çocukları ananızın amına parça tesirli bomba koyarım ….
aklınızı basınıza alın sikmim belanızı…
onun bunun evlatlkarı orospu çocukları
sizi bi sikerim boÅŸ oobuste ayakta gidersiniz lem götler….
February 3rd, 2006 at 6:50 am
To William P. Eskdale, JD:
For the record, I’m a practicing Muslim. Also, I’m only replying since you directed your comment at me.
I’m definitely not qualified to get into a religious debate with you. I will however mention some points.
The Quran explicitly asks muslims to go to war within certain limits when certain conditions are met. The time and place when Islam was revealed called for that. There are detailed rules on what one is allowed to do during a war and what one is not. Almost all of them are ignored by islamists these days however and that’s why all the stereotyping.
Anyone can take any book, quote parts of it out of context and use it to justify what they do. As Shakespeare said, “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose”.
Conversion by the sword is not allowed in Islam either. I don’t want to go into details right here. I’ll just say someone has sold you a wrong idea. Islamic wars were fought for various reasons. Forcibly converting people of other faiths was not one of them.
Islam doesn’t teach us to unconditionally turn the other cheek. That’s perhaps Christian belief but it is not ours. We have a tradition of forgiveness but we also have a tradition of defending our faith.
If someone had published an article about Islam linking it fundamentally to terrorism, there would not be this much of an uproar. I admit, there are a lot of zealots amongst us who would do stupid things but this kind of uproar would definitely not be there. There would be discussion and there might even be a consensus. Islamic scholars have themselves criticised narrations of the Prophet in a very detailed way before accepting them. Openly hurting the sensibilites of the Muslim community by portraying their Prophet in a such a way is however, a different matter.
As for the rest of your comment, I’m not going to bother writing about it as it’s just the classic western anti-muslim position. People have argued for years about it and there have been no results.
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:36 am
the men who draw those pictures are: dishonourable!!!
February 3rd, 2006 at 9:31 am
As you all know (lets tell other here), what happened was:
12 pictures were published in JP, we’ve all seen them
15!!! (yes 3 more) were added to a document by DANISH ISLAMIC CLERICS and taken to Egypt and Lebanon to cause a stir.
These extra 3 pictures were hella offensive:
Mohammed with a Pig Snout
Praying Muslims being raped by dogs
(can’t remember the third).
WHY did a ISLAMIC CLERIC add these additional pictures. Surely the very act of this is UNISLAMIC in itself.
These so called holy people should be forced to go on international television and ask for forgivness to allah.
February 3rd, 2006 at 10:55 am
Where can we find the extra three pictures? I am making a scrap book of worthless, senseless, murdering, pigs, and a picture of moooohammed with a pigs snout would make a flashy cover…
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:06 am
In reply to N Post #35 above. N is apparently ignorant of her own religion–here are the so-called “War Verses” of the Quran:
“Strike off their [infidel's] heads. Strike off their finger-tips! … because they defied God and his Apostle [Muhammad].” (Sura 8:12-13)
This says kill all non-believers, does it not?
“Make war on them [infidels] until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.” (Sura 2:193)
“Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them.” (Sura 4:89)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.” (Sura 9:123)
These say commit something worse than genocide in the name of your religion, do they not?
“When the sacred months [Ramadan] are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them; besiege them; and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent [convert to Islam] and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way.” (Sura 9:5)
Does this not say to foce “idolaters” to convert or kill them?
Before you start talking about your religion, I think you need to re-review your fundamental document.
The Quran’s view of so-called infidels is no different than the Palestinian view on Israel–they must be destroyed.
Any religion committed to the destruction of non-believers deserve sound condemnation. Which is also why I detest the Catholic church for its three inquisitions and the crusades and the very many other forms of tyranny it has practiced in 2 millenia and for which it has not apologized.
Both religions are great examples for why Church and State and Press are to be kept separate.
N’s quote from Shakespeare makes exactly my point for me, as long as the Quran contains those war verses, then the devil will use then. THe devil is collectively the muslim world, Perhaps we need a new crusade? Because while I believe in forgiveness, I find some thing unforgivable….
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:16 am
John says in post 26: “Isreal[sic] has terrorized the Middle East over decades, using money donated without restriction from the United States economy….”
He conveniently neglects to mention that during that time all surrounding arab nations were openly on the record and committed to the destruction of Israel. He forgets that Arab nations attempted armed invasions of israel, perhaps the most famous was the 1967 war when Israel whipped their asses!
If you were surrounded by your enemies who not only expressed the intent to kill you but also tried on several occasions, are you, John, telling us that you would simply bare your chest and let them kill you? I find that to be preposterous or your own thanatos outweighs your eros. I for one would do whatever is necessary to protect myself, my loved ones, my people and my land.
I hardly call self defense terrorizing the middle east, to the contrary, I call what israel has done self defense in the extreme under extreme circumstances. Glad to have had my tax money spent on that endeavor.
February 3rd, 2006 at 11:46 am
BAD BAD BAD! Show respect to others religon and belive!!!!!!!!!!
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Everyone has right to criticize a religion to be sure. But of course the criticism itself has a limitation. It doesn’t give one the right to insult the others and to revile the belief of someone. By the way in Islam suicide is strongly forbidden. Associating our Prophet with such a big sin is the effect of either ignorance or rudeness.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:11 pm
bu resmi yapanın bn ANASINI AVRADINI SİKİYİM HHİÇMİ SAYGINIZ YOK LAN İBNELER OROSBU ÇOCUKLARI
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Bu küfürleri ulu orta yazmamanız gerekirdi, o insanlara örnek olmanız gerekirdi. Çünkü iyi bir müslüman olmak bunu gerektirir. Bu nick le daha önce de karşılaşmıştım, Gümülcineden Doktor anonymus olmalısın, keşke bu iğrenç sözleri yazmayıp savunduğun değerlere yakışır bir şekilde davransaydın.
February 3rd, 2006 at 1:29 pm
güzel çizmiÅŸ ÅŸerefsizler…
February 3rd, 2006 at 1:36 pm
renkleri biraz daha iyi kullanabilirlermis
February 3rd, 2006 at 3:58 pm
I just have one question. What’s the big idea? There is so much to joke, write, and laugh about. I mean, lets get one thing straight, no one can deny that those cartoons are insulting to the person inside them (in that case prophet Muhammad). I’m not a radical Muslim, nor am I going to storm the EU with an RPG, but I still don’t see why this cartoonist chose this topic. I mean what did he expect? (how many smiles, at the cost of how many frowns) and even worse, what did those Norwegians expect, when they republished those cartoons, in support of “the freedom of pressâ€! Come on people lets look at this issue as mature adults, for one minute. We all know this is a sensitive issue, after all we are talking about a religion here (Throughout history it was also religion that shaped the borders, and created most of the conflicts we faced through time). Ok, I, a Muslim, have to admit that due to educational limitations, among other things, some radical Muslims get carried away (I know most of you are going like, yeah right “someâ€, but actually radical Muslims are only a tiny faction of the 1.8billion, if you come to thing of it). Anyway back to my point, why did those Norwegians choose to advocate the freedom of press, through this stupid way. I mean there are so many other obvious, and easier ways that portray the repression of freedom of press in the Muslim world. Why choose this sensitive issue, a religion, and a PROPHET to convey that message? I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE FREEDOM OF PRESS, but do NOT support the way some westerns have chosen to promote it today. I personally think Confucius would agree with me here, this is a classical case of killing a mosquito with a canon.
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
That is utterly HILARIOUS. These fools need to lighten up a little bit, or blow themselves up… whichever comes first is fine by me.
February 3rd, 2006 at 6:45 pm
Make no mistake. Islam has declared war on the world. It has divided the world into “The House of Islam” (Muslims) vs. “The House of Jihad” (non-Muslims). According to the Koran, it is an offense to not believe in Allah, therefore turning every non-Muslim into an enemy of Allah. Atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Christian, animist,… it matters not, you qualify as an enemy of Islam.
Mohammad murdered, imprisoned, took as concubines, and took the posessions of Jews in his lifetime. Jews have always been a target for Mohammad and subsequent Muslims because Jews didn’t accept Mohammad as a prophet, just as Christians do not accept him as a prophet of God. He couldn’t even quote Bible stories correctly, yet he was a prophet of the same God? So he silenced his critics by the sword, en masse, but also by assassination….anyway, is it any wonder that his behavior has been handed down to this very day? (No)
Islam neither tolerates other religions nor respects other forms of government. It requires Jews and Christians in Muslim lands to pay higher taxes, so as to drain both their pockets and their wills, in the wish of eventual conversion to Islam. There is no limit to the amount of atrocities that non-Muslims have suffered in Muslim lands (genocides-Armenians, rape, beatings, it goes on….)
It considers non-Islamic governments as illegitimate in the eyes of Allah, and therefore qualified for usurpation, when the opportunity presents itself. Look at the histories of Africa and SE Asia as they continue to unfold. Is it not Islamic extremism forcibly wiping out previous Jewish, Christian, and tribal religions?
Islam doesn’t know how to respect and value women. It continually defines women as second class citizens, and non-Muslim women as lower yet. Is it any wonder that women in Islam are still stoned for adultery, but men are not even punished? Women are blamed for being raped because they didn’t cover themselves properly. What kind of religion defends men who can’t control their sexual desires by forcing women to cover themselves fully, mutilate their genitals, and never be seen in public unaccompanied by a male relative? What kind of religion allows rapists, murderers, plunderers, slave-traders, and polygamists to call themselves “men of faith”. What kind of a faith encourages and awards this type of behavior?
Is it any wonder that the free world holds Islam in disdain. Christianity has had its faults, but she has surpassed them (Catholic conquests, inquisitions, slavery,..), but Islam still holds that there are 72 magical virgins waiting for the next suicide bomber to stroll through the pearly gates and deflower them at his will, only for them to reform physically, to make the next sexual act as if it were her first. What a degradation of the idea of heaven (compared to Jewish and Christian ideas of heaven).
Take into account the numerous madrasas across the Islamic world (most notably Pakistan & Indonesia)that snare poor adolescent boys into their services. The impressionable youths are deprived of any female contact (even their mother’s), deprived of the basics of a legitimate education (math, English, history,etc.), and instead are indoctrinated by former Taliban members who have them burning non-Muslim flags and reciting the Koran all hours of the day in exchange for shelter and food. This is where I must direct my attention to all those self-labeled “moderate” Muslims, on both a personal level, and to their “moderate” governments (where applicable). I must ask them if they condone these schools, and if so why? If not, what do they do to combat, discourage, etc. these schools and their frightfully narrow ideologies, that from a Western perspective, look frankly like 9-11 factories?
In conclusion, Muslims must understand that when they bomb the US, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Israel, England…Australia (the list goes on…. we, (the West, where free speech is still allowed, because we are NOT Islamic, or communist for that matter), will not back down from our principles nor from our God-given rights. We will not operate out of fear from backward Islamic retaliation, but instead will invite Muslims into the 21st century of free intellectual/ideological expression. If these Muslims keep acting as they have the last few days, they should get used to the idea of seeing Mohammad denigrated, as their actions prove his denigration to be true and accurate.
For the record, I am friends with all the Muslims that I know, but as a Christian, I have to call Islam evil, for that is what it is. Islam teaches people to stone adulterers, while Jesus teaches that they should be forgiven and that they should “go and sin no more”. Islam teaches that a person can achieve heaven through his actions, while Christ tells us that it is by His grace, and through faith in Him alone that a person can attain eternal existance with God. It is not by works, lest any man should boast.
When Mohammad returned to Mecca, he came to conquer, and we know the rest of that history. When Jesus returned to Jerusalem, he came to die as a sacrifice for all of humankind’s sins. May this history include us all.
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:20 pm
It’s true that nowhere in the Karan does it say that images of Muhammed are supposed to be taboo. But he was such an ugly guy that he declared it so that history would remember him by what he did rather than what he looked like.
February 3rd, 2006 at 7:23 pm
Yes, I do believe I’ve heard of this before. Well documented in secular texts.
February 3rd, 2006 at 8:20 pm
roze ve dim siz varya tam dallamasiniz sizin gibi serefsizler orospu cocuklarinin bu ulkede isi yok siktirin gidin yavsaklar
February 3rd, 2006 at 8:31 pm
> Everyone has right to criticize a
> religion to be sure. But of course the
> criticism itself has a limitation. It
> doesn’t give one the right to insult
> the others and to revile the belief of
> someone.
Why not?
When someone utters an unsubstantiated belief, we will often criticize and / or ridicule them.
Except for religious beliefs.
Why should ‘religious’ beliefs be immune to scrutiny? Religious beliefs make the most outlandish claims, afterall.
If I have the right to revile the beliefs of neo-Nazis, do I not also have the right to revile the beliefs of Islamists?
> By the way in Islam suicide is
> strongly forbidden. Associating our
> Prophet with such a big sin is the
> effect of either ignorance or
> rudeness.
But martyrdom (dying for jihad) is strongly praised in the Qu’ran.
Just like in the West - killing is wrong, except when killing the enemy in warfare. The difference being this in Islam: all non-believers are the enemy.
Just like the poster above stated - Islam has declared war on the world - it’s goal has always been global Islamification. We have a right to critisize, even (especially) if said belief system is based on supposed “spiritual” / “supernatural” events.
FWIW, the moderate Muslims in the world are moderate to the degree that they don’t believe the words of the Qu’ran to be literally true (or haven’t read it). Moderate Muslims I have talked to will pull the “it was ‘inspired’ by God” card that most Western Christians pull these days in reference to the Bible.
Whatever that means.
February 3rd, 2006 at 8:39 pm
“I come to bring a sword, not peace”.
Jesus or Mohammed?
February 4th, 2006 at 7:42 am
Whoever says there is a limitation on my right of free speech which includes the ridicule of any and all religious clap trap, is simply wrong. I can ridicule any belief including religious. PERIOD. This is the essence of the separation of church and state…you cannot limit my condemnation of a religion I don’t believe in, that I think posits stupid and unconscionable things. I have no use for any religions as they are made by man to impose on the freedoms of all men, unfounded in little or no fact. Religion is a work of man and it is imperfect, corrupted, corruptible and in my mind evil. For the hateful things written in the Quran, Islam is included. And as long as I live I will oppose all theocracies, including the one religious fundamentalist are trying to create in the US.
May Mohammed be burning the in real god’s hell.
February 4th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
If there is someone who will burn in hell, you can be sure that they will be the persons who publish that caricatures.
I hope to see all the publisher newspapers burning like Denmark Council in Jordan.
February 4th, 2006 at 1:56 pm
To bad you are far from the truth there Anti-Europe. The drawer of the caricatures has committed no sin, nor have any publishers of the caricatures. Your sin if far greater by wishing death upon others.
February 4th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Just because you have the freedom to do something, doesn’t mean that you should. You Christians are bunch of hypocrites. If some Iranian newspaper published a picture of Jesus butt-fucking another guy, you’d fly off the damn handle. PERIOD. You’d all be like, “Let’s bomb the motherfuckers.”
February 4th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
P.S. If you can’t remember how many people have been murdered in the name of the Holy Bible, then open up your history books, and stop calling the kettle black.
February 4th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
The people who publish these cartoons of Muhammed don’t respect their religions and any other religion,actually..We the muslims won’t be trapped by these people..The term they said ‘Terrorist’is also suitable for their own personage not for ours…There is no relation between this term and us..Allah will give you the biggest punishment,We believe..
February 4th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Hİ AMINIZA KOYDUKLARIM HİÇMİ SAYGINIZ YOK İBNELER
February 4th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
la it soyları sizi siktik siktik şimdi götünüz kaktı demi o götüde sikelimde bari kalkacak bi yer kalmasın amcikler
February 4th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
O KARÄ°KATURU YAPANIN TAAAAAAAAA TURKÄ°YEDEN DENMARKA KADAR ANASINI AVARADINI COCUGUNU YOL BOYUNCA SIKIM OROSPUNU NEVLADI O KARIKATURU YAPARKEN KULLANDIGIN KALEM GOTUNE GIRSIN KAHBE EVLADI….
February 4th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
-Suicide/killing innoccent are terrible sins according to Koran.
-Suicide-bombers are like hypnotized people, they do as they’re told. They miss something very obvious: There will be no reward in afterlife to massacre of innoccent.
-There’s no way Muhammed approves that.
This cartoon links directly miss-conduct/deviance of some people to an entire community/religion.
That’s what makes muslims angry, nothing else.
February 4th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Peygamberler saygi duyulacak mubarek insanlardir.Merak etmeyin Yuce Allah bu karikaturleri cizen ve yayinlayanin cezasini verir.
February 4th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
The artest who draw, the newepapers whom published, and all people whome agreed this charicatures they do not know who is the prophet mohammed.
please, accepte my invitation to know who is “MOHAMMED” to decide “you” if he deserve these painting or not!
http://www.muhammad.net/
http://jove.prohosting.com/al-islam/Bible%20&%20Christianity/Bible%20and%20Muhammed/what%20the%20bible.htm
Thank you.
February 4th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
It is a terrible thing to deliberately attempt to denigrate a group of innocent people. Muslims are not terrorists and to say so is entirely inaccurate, disrespectful and has the potential to cause great harm. Insulting Islam, or any religion, can be extremely hurtful, especially in light of the years of insults from non-Muslims.
However…
I do not interpret the cartoons as an attempt to insult Muslims. You may respectfully disagree with my point of view, but it seems obvious to me they are a satirical statement about how some terrorists have wrongly used Islam to further their cause. I think the cartoonists make a valid statement that is an affirmation of the true peaceful intent of Islam rather than an insult. The responsibility of this present backlash needs to be borne at least partly by those who exploit Islam for their own ends.
Secondly, civilized people expressed hurt and outrage in a civilized way, not by burning embassies. This behavior reinforces the false belief in the violence of Islam. Let’s get a little perspective here. We are talking about pictures and words. I think that strongly worded editorials or speeches are more appropriate.
Third, a country does not have the duty or even the ability to apologize for slander in the press. The state, the press and religion are three completely separate entities, or at least they ought to be for the protection of all three.
February 4th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
> You Christians are bunch of
> hypocrites. If some Iranian newspaper
> published a picture of Jesus
> butt-fucking another guy, you’d fly
> off the damn handle. PERIOD. You’d all
> be like, “Let’s bomb the
> motherfuckers.â€
Nonsense. (Ok, a few hardliners would protest vehemently, sure…, but no embassies would burn!)
The closest thing to this that Christendom has experienced in recent years was the publically-funded artshow (in New York, I believe) that displayed the “piss-christ” (which was, obviously, a crucifix placed in a Mason jar filled with urine).
Naturally, many Christians leaders were upset. All believed it to be in poor taste. But none, as far as I can remember, denied the artist’s right to display such a work of ‘art’ in public. They only lamented the fact that the display of such was PAID FOR WITH PUBLIC MONEY (ironically, calling for the separation of ‘religious expression’ from the state).
A far cry burning down embassies, burning flags, jumping up and down like monkeys with Kalishnikovs, and threatening people with mass murder. Fucking barbarians. And I have been a defender of Arab interests in debates in the past (and will be in the future, no doubt). However, needless to say, this weekend I am thoroughly disgusted. First Hamas, then this. Two steps backwards.
As much as I criticize Christianity (and Judaism), the fact of the matter is that /MODERN/ Christianity and Judaism both have tempered themselves and are for the most part moderated quite a bit towards liberal viewpoints and Enlightenment values (largly by ignoring, sidestepping, or rejecting Biblical literalism). Islam is still in the Middle Ages as far as these values go.
I hate it for my Arab friends that they’ve been brainwashed by this garbage. At least a conversion to a liberal interpretation of Islam (like Sufism) would be a step in the right direction.
February 4th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
> P.S. If you can’t remember how many
> people have been murdered in the name
> of the Holy Bible, then open up your
> history books, and stop calling the
> kettle black.
True, but has it not now been reduced DRAMATICALLY in recent years / centuries? Has not the Church lost it’s political strangehold? Is not the rhetoric of the Pope drastically different than that of of the Popes of the Crusading age?
Has Islam undergone a similar cooling-off period? (perhaps only under iron-fisted Turkish rule!)
Islam is still a religion bent on world domination. So is Christianity. The difference? Mainstream Christianity these days has rejected conversion through force, and only accepts conversion through persuasion. Islam accepts both persuasion and force as acceptable means of conversion. And kuffar (such as me, and the website owner here) deserve immediate death by the sword (praise be to Allah, for he is just and merciful). At least Christians just lovingly (for the most part) try to convert us with pleadings and debates.
And to think I’m defending Christianity… There you have it.
February 5th, 2006 at 8:50 am
To Poly in post 64–who said:
“This cartoon links directly miss-conduct/deviance of some people to an entire community/religion.
That’s what makes muslims angry, nothing else.”
Well, you make an interesting point, trying to separate the mainstream from the extremists. This has some merit, but its a weak proposition in many ways. Chiefly, the fact that most islamic governments tolerate these extremists and even support them. Take Saudi Arabia for example–the shaky throne there openly funds radical islamists in some misguided attempt to protect itself from the same extremists. Take Pakistan that allows extremist schools to exist, that do little schooling except in the most extreme interpretations of the Koran. Look at the islamic rules on hospitality and you see why terrorists move freely from islamic country to islamic country and are harbored by other extremists. Islamic governments do little or nothing to stop the freedom of movement of these animals. Did we see muslims protesting when Osama blew up our World Trade Center? Where were the non-extreme muslims then? Do we see the “mainstream” muslims protesting against suicide bombers who kill israeli citizens in there own homes and streets? Instead we see these animals (and yes I think you are all animals now) burning down embassies over caricatures?
I agree with another poster who said “too bad the crusades were not more effective.”
February 5th, 2006 at 9:05 am
Post 59 from Elaine says:
“P.S. If you can’t remember how many people have been murdered in the name of the Holy Bible, then open up your history books, and stop calling the kettle black.”
This is an illogical and emotional appeal. First, you are suggesting that two wrongs make a right–”don’t blame us, you did it too (implicitly stating that the one wrong justifies the next).”
Second, I don’t think anybody here has posted anything to suggest that they endorse, condone or forgive the Catholic Church or any protestant sects for their wrongs present and past. So what is the point of your vague historical references?
Third your suggestion in post 58 that just because one has a freedom does not mean one should use it– suggests a limitation on the freedom. Well, like the power to tax, the power to limit is the power to destroy, so I do not agree. My freedom of speech is only limited by my conscience (and by the way in the law of defamation in the US this very concept is why it makes it extremely difficult to win a slander or libel suit–because we understand to fetter the right of free speech is the power to destroy the right). Its why organizations cannot be slandered (there are some extremely limited exceptions), its why there must be a showing of actual real damages/injury flowing directly from the alleged slander/libel and why no public official can stop me from calling him a butt fucking animal abuser or anything else I want.
I would also say that no law of this land would ever contemplate fettering my right in the ways suggested here (unlike Europe where certain kinds of speech are categorily denied to the speaker–think in terms of Nazi-ism). We understand also that the freeplay of ideas is too important to fetter speech and that’s why anybody who puts their ideas into a public forum takes what they get from the public. Including religion. Its a great system, despite the animals who react to it with violence from time to time…
February 5th, 2006 at 12:58 pm
Caricature-man is illness on all head…
Sorry him…
February 5th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Strange, the worst human carnage has its foundation in the belief in some sort of god. I’m an atheist and this, as far as I Know, has mutilated no one. I regard the danes as highly civilised, they’re are not the sort of people who fly into the sides of skyscrapers ranting and raving about allah! Just look around the world, where religion plays no importance at all its all very quiet(and civilised). Joking about religion may be one harmless thing, but mutilating non-believers in the name of some figment of the imagination is quite perverse!
February 5th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Hear hear to post #73!!
February 5th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
post 73,
The communist government in China that exiled the Dalai Lama, persecutes Christians to this day (beating, arrests, murdering, intimidation, etc..), and teaches a godless materialism is guilty of killing people solely because the PRC does NOT believe in any type of god. It punishes Muslims in the west of China, but some of them are truely guilty of creating bombs, and committing terrorist acts against the PRC. But The PRC imprisons and murders people just for teaching and/or believing in Christian concepts, (not for any violent act they committed against anyone.) Be careful with your all-sweeping comments regarding the peacefulness of an atheistic world. The Communist Party is officially atheist, and its actions, based on those beliefs, have left it guilty on many accounts.
February 5th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
I concur with post #73. The problem here is religion. When you have people believing strongly, while excluding reason, this kind of behavior is inevitable. Those who have defended Christianity here are mistaken. Just because you think Christians haven’t murdered, well, that many people this century is no reason to assume a smug superiority. It is also not accurate. Discouraging the use of condoms due to a religious proscription against sex has killed plenty of people throughout the world. But I digress.
The problem is due to believing in fairy tales and invisible friends. When one truly believes the hereafter is better, then one is able to be willing to blow themselves up and take some of the rest of us with them. Religion is implicitly or explicitly about mind control, or at least discouraging critical thinking. Instead, it asks us to believe in words written centuries ago, passed along verbally and rewritten and translated and totally out of context to the present day. And we are to believe those words literally. That is foolish behavior and it should not be respected. The “moderates†are also to blame for it is their tepid belief in a god that allows the nutcases to go unchecked.
Religion is the problem. Surely it is exploited by Islamic extremists and the American religious right, but it is religion and tolerating irrational belief that are the cause of the problem.
February 5th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
> The Communist Party is officially
> atheist, and its actions, based on
> those beliefs, have left it guilty on
> many accounts.
Communism, as practiced by the Soviet Union and China, may be ‘godless’ in that it disregards the direct intervention of a supernatural being in human affairs, but it *does* still promote mass credulity, and taking things on faith without question. This is the attitude, whether inspired by Muhammed or Mao, that I abhor.
Little Maoists carry around and recite that little red book as though it were gospel, without thinking about or questioning the contents. Not much different than that little green book the jihadists carry, as far as the results go. The end - tyranny - is the same.
Communist leaders have also been adept at glorifying themselves to mythological, even heroic proportions. Lenin, Stalin and Mao joined Hercules and Perseus in the Hall of the Gods, as it were. Their ascertations are not questioned - but regarded at once as absolute truth and taken on faith. Skepticism and debate are discouraged, and are indeed punished.
Sounds very much like the trappings of religious cult to me…
Remember - a ‘religion’ needn’t be a theistic one to be a religion as such (think Buddhism). Ok, so most people wouldn’t call Communism a religion persay, but as experience in the USSR and China would illustrate, I think the comparison is a valid one.
Just a thought.
February 6th, 2006 at 5:01 am
küfrün hamileri, zülüm babaları, insandan aşağı yaratıklar.. dalga geçin aklınızca.. niyetlerinizi ortaya koyduğunuz ve bizleri uyandırmada vesile olduğunuz için sağolun..
February 6th, 2006 at 10:56 am
fuk you
February 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
I wonder if 99% of the people that are shown protesting actually know WHY they are protesting or are just looking for a any excuse to do violence. In the States you’ll have instigators in crowds with the sole purpose of getting the crowds ire up.
On thing they has always puzzled me about the extremist is their leaders. If Heaven awaits, with all its virgins ready to do thy bidding, why are they not first in line with a bomb strapped to them and anxious to reach this Paradise?
February 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
the men who draw those pictures are: dishonourable!!! …….
February 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Perhaps it’s time to fulfill Nostradamus predictions.
As you muslims seem to feel strongly enough to use violence then perhaps it might as well that we get thing out of the world for once and all and start a world war.
That’s what the extremist leaders who are firing upp the masses want.
You who agree that violence is the answer just keep using it and you will probably make what your leaders told you to do.
I suspect not many of the protestors haven’t even seen the pictures.
They are just used to do what others tell them to do, no own brains.
A few years ago there was a artist made a installation call ecce-homo (or something like that) showing Jesus in different homosexual situations.
Sure there were some protests, but no church leaders issues “fatwas” and noone was threathened to death.
Only some maniacs mainly Americans Christians would take to violoence.
What would have if someone would have the same with Muhammad?
I not dare to think of it.
I guess Christians would have reacted the same as you a few hundred years ago.
I think if the muslim countries would get a living standard as us you also would stop thinking that violence is the answer.
But then there are som many greedy people that won’t let share there big fortune to benefit the people.
February 6th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
If muslims don’t like what is printed in our countries papers.
Go HOME and you won’t have to read them.
I TAKE OFFENSE AT INNOCENT INFIDELS BEING BLOWN UP.
I TAKE OFFENSE AT PICTURES BEING SHOWN OF MOTHERS REJOICING AT HER MARTYR SON BLOWING PEOPLE TO PIECES.
I TAKE OFFENSE AT PEOPLE BEING BEHEADED ON TV.
Go and live in your muslim countries and stop invading our happy and peaceful ones and planning your bombings of innocents. You seek refuge because you are unsafe, take our money, food but still you want to have us live under islam law - WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE YOUR COUNTRIES THAT SERVE UNDER ISLAM LAW THEN????
People, governments appeased Hitler and look at what he did. We have seen true evil staring us in the face over what ………………. because we committed murder - NO!!!! DREW SOME CARTOONS OFCOURSE!!!
I AM SO SICK OF THIS AND SO ARE THE WEST. The politicians may well appease islam followers. The western people will not.
February 7th, 2006 at 7:21 am
Fuck you…Allah-u Ekber
February 7th, 2006 at 7:27 am
oohhh iyi yapmislar…. kasindilar muslumanlar…. ne var be yapsalar, terosirtsler, hizbullah orgutleri dolu
February 7th, 2006 at 8:09 am
I think Islam is coming of age…YOu see Islam is around 1500 yers old…and remember how mad christanity was when it was that young, all the crusades, inquisitions?…so I think it is just like acne, it comes when religion reaches age 15 (that is 1500 years in real time)..
February 7th, 2006 at 8:56 am
Let me tell you where I stand.
This cartoon thing is a freaking joke. The people who are protesting are ignorant blind followers.
Bush and his administration are out of control, the war we have started in Iraq is illegal and immoral. The people that support it are also ignorant blind followers.
OK, here is where things get interesting. The war in Iraq has been a complete failure, everyone agrees on this. I believe from the start bush wanted to invade Iran as well. Unfortuanely / fortunately, people weren’t going to blindly buy into the WMD lies a second time around. Then the new Iranian president is elected. OK, what is this guys deal? He is a Bush/Blair wet dream. This guy is handing them the excuses to go to war on a silver platter. I find the timing very interesting.
For the longest time I didn’t think we would attempt another war, but I’m starting to think it is going to happen. (For the record I disagree again) What I find very interesting is that these cartoons were ran months ago and no one cared. Now as western governments are ramping up for another war these protest break out and for the most part disgust / enrage western populations.
What is going on here? It definitely feels like their is a puppet master behind the scenes gearing us up for a clash of civilisations….
February 7th, 2006 at 10:32 am
If you want to see the extra three pictures the website is : http://islamcomicbook.com/
There are many others, but the three were lifted from here.
February 7th, 2006 at 11:48 am
Some have wondered why the protests against these cartoons are occurring now, when they were published in Denmark in September, especially considering many of the protestors have never seen the cartoons. Someone else had to inform them.
I ran across this blog,
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/5/13149/60748
that suggests an explanation. He posits that the Saudi government was involved in instigating the uproar to diffuse criticism away from itself, over incompetently handling the crowd control during the Hajj – yet again! – causing over 300 deaths. The Saudi papers started publishing reports soon after the stampede tragedy.
February 7th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
With the protesting and rioting now reaching worldwide, one has to wonder, is Islam and the Muslim religion so WEAK and transparant that the beleivers must protest so violently?
Let’s face it, if your religion can’t stand up, to even the most minimal criticism, then you must not really believe in it and it must not be real!
If you have to violently protest the critical portrayal of your Prophet then your prophet is nothing but a false God. Because, if it were real, than it would stand the test of tme and criticism.
As the world moves even further towards cells of religious fundamentalism, I fear that we are moving to a repeat of the dark ages. Instead of information being witheld from people, we are overwhelmed with misinformation. This misinformation simply marginalizes people and makes us all slaves to others beliefs, no matter how silly or inconceivable.
The Christians worship the son of a carpenter, who was convicted of blasphemy and sedition, then executed for his crimes.
The Jews believe their prophets lived hundereds of years and countless other ridiculous notions.
The Muslims are so fractured in their beliefs that I can’t take up enough space here to point out how silly their many of their notions are to any logical thinking person.
I can go on and on about the splinter Christian and Jewish groups too, like the Kabbalist’s or the Mormon’s, or Orthodox faiths. Even better, we can all have a laugh at the eastern mystic religions because they are all based on pure fantasy.
I have no problem letting people have their “spiritual” beliefs to provide them inner strength in getting through the hardships of life. However, I have a huge problem when we start killing each other over those beliefs.
I don’t believe in God! It is a silly and ridiculous notion to me. However, I will fight for your right to believe anything you want to believe in, to a point. When your religion makes it ok, to go and attack others for their beliefs, then I have a huge problem with your religion.
Don’t go and attack me for not thinking the same way as you do.
Don’t violently react to my crticism of your silly voodoo notions.
Let me live my life with my beliefs and I’ll let you live yours with you beliefs.
Feel free to justify you faith, as I will cynically dispute them.
If your faith is so strong, then nothing I say will hurt you. If my words are blasphemy, then that is an issue between me and God, whichever God may exist.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:08 am
Here’s a cool website with some timely insight regarding Islamic representations of Muhammed throughout history, as well as some other examples of Islamists attacking free speech.
Enjoy!
http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm
February 8th, 2006 at 5:54 am
Çok yanlış dünya vizyonu olmayan insnaların çizdiği. Çoklu kültüre saygı duymayanların yayınladığı hasasiyetlerin önemsenmediği bir tatsız olay. Kınıyoruz Türkiye olarak..
February 8th, 2006 at 6:34 am
Dinim Yok.Hic bir dine inanmiyorum/
Ancak Dinlerin , inananlar icin ne kadar hassas bir konu oldugunu heppimiz biliyorus..
Peki bu bilinc altinda bu karikaturleri cizmek ve yayinlamak dogrumuydu??
Dunyada en sadik ve en mantikli din ISlam dinidir.
Avrupalilar muslumanlara karsi psikolojik bir oyun oynuyor ve maalesef muslumanlar bu oyuna katiliyor…
February 8th, 2006 at 6:36 am
eylul Says:
February 7th, 2006 at 7:27 am
oohhh iyi yapmislar…. kasindilar muslumanlar…. ne var be yapsalar, terosirtsler, hizbullah orgutleri dolu
Eylul Muslumanlari terorist olarak ilan etmen yanlis..
ASil terorist olan Bu gibi gruplari destekleyen ve finanse eden devletlerdir…
Senin anani sikerim Eylulcum
February 8th, 2006 at 7:44 am
I was grown up in the country without religion. If people still accept that the God exists, then it is obvious that it is only One GOD in the world. So, why have to be so much disrespect with each others religion?
And another moment. When someone wants to bomb another country from the name of the GOD, he puts our common God in the cartoons like this. I think it should be absolutely morally impossible to use a name of the God for any killing.
February 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
musluman kardeslerim sakin ha sinirlenmeyin ne kufur nede kaba kuvet gostermeyin onlarin niyeti bizi bir birimize dusurmek boyle ucuz oyunlara gelmeyin en guzel din olan ISLAM DININI BUTUN DUNYA ALEME KARSI ORNEK OLARAK YASAYALIM…
February 8th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
I think we, as Americans, seem to hide under this blanketed idea of “Freedom of Speech”. However, as anyone who has ever taken any form of media class knows, there is such a thing as libel. Libel is defined as “a malicious defamation expressed either by writing or printing or by signs, pictures, effigies or the like; tending to blacken the memory of one who is dead, or to impeach the honesty, integrity, virtue or reputation, or to publish the natural or alleged defects of one who is alive, thereby exposing him to hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy…” as found in the American English Encyclopedia of Law. These laws extend to Europe as well. The “cartoons” (I put it in quotation marks because to me, cartoon implies a humorous or entertaining idea that is in the form of a picture. YET, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE NOTION THAT IS HUMOROUS ABOUT THESE SERIES OF CARTOONS TO ME!)are unlawful and therefore, should have never been published, plain and simple. The fact that they were only illustrates the reckless disregard for people of the Islamic faith by the newspaper.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:08 pm
Dimitri
tsk, tsk
The hurdle to prove libel is much, much, higher when you are a public figure. Hence, we are allowed to criticize our public figures.
Remember when Larry Flynt published a fake cartoon, in Hustler Magazine, about Jerry Fallwell having sex for the first time with his mother? Laryy Flynt won that case and it went all the way to the Supreme Court.
These cartoons don’t go anywhere near that level of defamation.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
P.S. To all of you out there that believe that a prophet and GOD are the same thing, here’s a wake up call for you, they are not. Case in point, Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not a manifestation of GOD. Christians however, believe that Christ is GOD in a human form. He was sent to cleanse us of all our sins. Christians, Muslims and Jews all believe in GOD and share the same GOD. Do not be fooled by different titles Jehovah, Allah or GOD it is the same.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:23 pm
ImDone-
Yes, but a MISREPRESENTATION OF TRUTH FOR A PRIVATE IDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS is another matter altogether. It is simply illegal. Freedom of speech is meant to protect those in search of the truth when questioning the character or behavior of someone who is in a position of power. It is not meant to be a panacea for someone who sets out to maliciously defame the character of an innocent individual or individuals. Do a search of countless lawsuits won on libel charges, like Robbie Williams.
February 8th, 2006 at 11:33 pm
Dimitri
Again, I see nothing libelous about these cartoons. They ARE cartoons. Pick-up any newspaper and read their political cartoons, usually on the editorial page.
We make fun of all of our institutions in this country. Whether its the President or the Pope. I see nothing different here.
The best part, is that they weren’t even published in this country. Yet, its our embassy’s and military bases being attacked and protested. Our flag is being burned and President being hung and burned in effigy. Why? We had NOTHING to do with this being published.
February 9th, 2006 at 12:05 am
ImDone-
First of all, I have seen many political cartoons and have NEVER once seen an instance where President Bush has been shown waving the American Flag while he stands gallantly on a bed of the mangled bodies of Iraqi and U.S. soldiers. Secondly, Muhhamad is not a political figure. Third, it portrays Muslims in a SLANTED (emphasis on slanted) and negative light. Fourth, there is no basis of truth to the idea that Muhammad carries a bomb on his head, or was even alive when bombs existed, or that he condones such violent behavior. So it is false, and therefore becomes libel. As for why Muslims dislike the U.S. that is a seperate issue altogether. As you will remember, they didn’t like us too much prior to the cartoons either. Perhaps, if we hadn’t invaded their country, destroyed all their resources and only reluctantly agreed to establish a new government with members of their own nation, they wouldn’t dislike us so much. Or, maybe, it was because we attempted to conqure their country under an artifical guise of “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (which have yet to turn up, mind you). Or it could be fact that after 9/11 anyone that seemed to be from the middle east (regardless of the number of generations the family has lived in the U.S.) were publicly taunted, threatened and in some cases physically harmed even though they had no direct connection to any of the hijackers. I could go on, would you like me to? The United States is full of people with a limited perspective. We like to categorize people too much. For instance, before the civil rights movement, African Americans were denied their birth right privilege as U.S. citizens to vote…why??why??why?? During World War II Japenese Americans were forced to give up their property to live in internment camps….why??why??why?? Because we live with blinders on. We live in our little houses and go out out with our exclusive little group of friends and we believe whatever anyone tells us. Its easier than searching for the truth, its easier and more comfortable for any single group of people to believe that they are better at any given time than another group of people. We shroud ourselves in lies and repeat them like a mantra so that we never have to question how wrong we really are. It needs to stop. We learn nothing if we don’t learn from history, our history. Lets not repeat the cycle and make the same mistake again, we can make a difference…..here…..now.
February 9th, 2006 at 3:01 am
To dimitra -
I have to remind you that this has nothing about US, it all started with a danish newspaper who published the drawings. And other newspapers reproducting the cartoons because they wanted to show to all that it can be published such a thing, that is not taboo. The muslim comunity consider this cartoons taboo, but anyone that is not of that religion disagre.
February 9th, 2006 at 4:39 am
Dimitra you are so right. We do live with blinders on. We live in our little worlds and hang out our exclusive little group of friends who believe like we believe and we believe whatever our cleric, priest, rabbi, or political pundit tells us. Because it’s easier to listen to ideas that we already agree with than the uncomfortable ideas of another group. That is why we try to silence the other group and tell them there are things they can not say and images they can not make because they might change us and we never want to be questioned, we are afraid of how wrong we might be. It needs to stop. We learn nothing if we don’t learn from history and don’t listen to other points of views, even those that might offend us. Let’s not repeat the cycle and make the same mistake again, we can do better.
February 9th, 2006 at 7:14 am
hepinizinde dinini sikerim
February 9th, 2006 at 10:20 am
Dimitri
Though I agree with most of what you are trying to say, I strongly disagree that anyones opinion should be prohibited from being published because it might offend someone else. That is a reverse imprisonment. You are basically punishing everyone for the “feelings” of a few.
Secondly, I strongly, STRONGLY disagree that religous leaders are not politicians. Religion was the first from of government going back to cave men and their Shaaman leaders. Moreover, most middle eastern countries, including Israel, are run by their religious leaders not secular leaders. Sure, they have elections but they elect the most fanatic of their faiths. Just look at the elections in Palastine last month.
The other thing Dimitri is that you seem to believe that if we all keep our opinions to ourselves and don’t do anything, don’t say anything that might possibly offend someone else, we will all get along better. This simply isn’t true.
February 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
I am muslim
and i hate who was drow that cariccatures. We have freedom. yes we can can change paper when we dont like it. bt this is religion. when religion start at that point freedom is finish.
February 11th, 2006 at 8:21 pm
reality Says:
February 10th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
This is for the Europeans.I dont have anything to say for the muslims.
The story is very clear the European gladio supports Extreme racists ,and extreme islamists more thaan 50 years aganist the USSR.As an example in my country Turkiye Millions of modernist people were tortured ten thousands were killed the writers, painters singers students.But your politicians never told this to you.Now EU is supporting a very extreme islamic party in my country very interesting!!!
Sure the public dont know the realities of this problem.The Nato supports racist organisations and anti-comunists(sure the islam) in my country they teach them to torture how to kill and they served for them. A few years ago one of this organisations killed üt least 2000 people.the corpses were under Villas in a house they found 50 dead body .And this islamist party is set up with a politic travel to London and Newyork.The leaders mostly have very extreme wiew and some ofthem are suspected because of several teror activities aganist modernist people.You are talkin about the freedom of speech but your countries support ultra extremists aganist my modernist people.Your politicians know it all because they were workin for it.YEah now they are tryin