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	<title>Comments on: Creation Science Cartoon</title>
	<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/</link>
	<description>Have faith in yourself</description>
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		<title>By: Alcari</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-203929</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How can anybody in this day and age still refute the evidence provided by the scientific community.&lt;/i&gt;

Simple. They're brainwashed idiots who cannot fathom the mere possibility that they might be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How can anybody in this day and age still refute the evidence provided by the scientific community.</i></p>
<p>Simple. They&#8217;re brainwashed idiots who cannot fathom the mere possibility that they might be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: flat earth society</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-203631</link>
		<dc:creator>flat earth society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-203631</guid>
		<description>How can anybody in this day and age still refute the evidence provided by the scientific community. 

a You can measure evolution in nature, in the lab, on the farm. 

b. Evolutionary theory is the verbal and mathematical ideas about how (NOT whether) evolution occurs, just like talking about the theory of gravity doesn't reflect doubt about whether gravity occurs

One of the closest mammels to humans are Bonobo's, who live in a small area near the Congo. These clever smart animals share not only a lot of the DNA of humans (98%) but also is often capable of altruism, compassion, empathy, kindness, patience and sensitivity.Please check out the link below 
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html

Creationism is not a science so please stop pretending it is and what I particularly liked about this cartoon was the little undertones of anti-semitism there at the end and the fact george bush character was teaching the class. 
 
Doc 1 -"Well he's gone to a better place now, Finklesttein, hairdresser.
Doc 2 -"maybe not" ???????????????

your either with us or your going to burn in hell is that really the message you want to send out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anybody in this day and age still refute the evidence provided by the scientific community. </p>
<p>a You can measure evolution in nature, in the lab, on the farm. </p>
<p>b. Evolutionary theory is the verbal and mathematical ideas about how (NOT whether) evolution occurs, just like talking about the theory of gravity doesn&#8217;t reflect doubt about whether gravity occurs</p>
<p>One of the closest mammels to humans are Bonobo&#8217;s, who live in a small area near the Congo. These clever smart animals share not only a lot of the DNA of humans (98%) but also is often capable of altruism, compassion, empathy, kindness, patience and sensitivity.Please check out the link below<br />
<a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_savage_rumbaugh_on_apes_that_write.html</a></p>
<p>Creationism is not a science so please stop pretending it is and what I particularly liked about this cartoon was the little undertones of anti-semitism there at the end and the fact george bush character was teaching the class. </p>
<p>Doc 1 -&#8221;Well he&#8217;s gone to a better place now, Finklesttein, hairdresser.<br />
Doc 2 -&#8221;maybe not&#8221; ???????????????</p>
<p>your either with us or your going to burn in hell is that really the message you want to send out?</p>
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		<title>By: alcari</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181876</link>
		<dc:creator>alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181876</guid>
		<description>Now, I'm no biologist, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought DNA was formed something like this:
http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Protein-Transcription.html

But, your point is valid, evolution doesn't have every single answer. However, it has 99.5% of them, and it looks like the rest is coming. That's not my point though.

The point is that ID or whatever creationism wants to be called, isn't science.  There IS no theory to test, no evidence to examine and no tests to run. There is no predictiveness and no explanatory ability. Once creationism is called upon to explain anything, it fails utterly. Try it:

-- How is it possible that X?
Evolution: Because Y happened, it affected Z, and resulted in X.
Creationism: God did it.

-- So what would happen if X?
Evolution: Considering previous observations, probably Y
Creationism: Uhhh.... God did it?

I'm all for teaching creationism, but as part of comparative religion classes, not pretending it's science. It's fair to say what evolution hasn't explained yet, but it should be pointed out that those shortcomings are minute compared the "alternative theories". The precise effects of secondary and tertiary endosymbiosis on the eukaryotic family tree, are nothing compared to a hypothesis that directly constradict most of the available evidence.

Also, I wonder, are you in favor of pointing out the shortcoming of the heliocentric model and teaching geocentrism as well? Demons-make-you-ill in combination with germ theory, Flat earth as well as round earth? Should you present a list of pros and cons of those as well? My point is, reality isn't a democracy. Just because an ancient book says something doesn't make it a valid theory.

This all remind me a cartoon I can't seem to find. In it, Evolution and Creationism are both writing a novel. Creationism points out that there's a comma where there should be a period on line seven, page twenty-one. Evolution points out that Creationism drew a picture of a cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I&#8217;m no biologist, so please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I always thought DNA was formed something like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Protein-Transcription.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Protein-Transcription.html</a></p>
<p>But, your point is valid, evolution doesn&#8217;t have every single answer. However, it has 99.5% of them, and it looks like the rest is coming. That&#8217;s not my point though.</p>
<p>The point is that ID or whatever creationism wants to be called, isn&#8217;t science.  There IS no theory to test, no evidence to examine and no tests to run. There is no predictiveness and no explanatory ability. Once creationism is called upon to explain anything, it fails utterly. Try it:</p>
<p>&#8211; How is it possible that X?<br />
Evolution: Because Y happened, it affected Z, and resulted in X.<br />
Creationism: God did it.</p>
<p>&#8211; So what would happen if X?<br />
Evolution: Considering previous observations, probably Y<br />
Creationism: Uhhh&#8230;. God did it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for teaching creationism, but as part of comparative religion classes, not pretending it&#8217;s science. It&#8217;s fair to say what evolution hasn&#8217;t explained yet, but it should be pointed out that those shortcomings are minute compared the &#8220;alternative theories&#8221;. The precise effects of secondary and tertiary endosymbiosis on the eukaryotic family tree, are nothing compared to a hypothesis that directly constradict most of the available evidence.</p>
<p>Also, I wonder, are you in favor of pointing out the shortcoming of the heliocentric model and teaching geocentrism as well? Demons-make-you-ill in combination with germ theory, Flat earth as well as round earth? Should you present a list of pros and cons of those as well? My point is, reality isn&#8217;t a democracy. Just because an ancient book says something doesn&#8217;t make it a valid theory.</p>
<p>This all remind me a cartoon I can&#8217;t seem to find. In it, Evolution and Creationism are both writing a novel. Creationism points out that there&#8217;s a comma where there should be a period on line seven, page twenty-one. Evolution points out that Creationism drew a picture of a cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishthunder</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181720</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishthunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181720</guid>
		<description>"how did these systems develop? Science has no answer. That does not mean that an answer may not be found one day, it means that there is no probable theory at the moment, hence it is a shortcoming."

I can't deny the questions that are still unanswered by science.  How does the sun move across the sky in an even form and rate everyday? Before science explained how the Earth rotated and related to the other bodies in our solar system, the explanation presented was that Apollo rode his chariot across the sky with the sun following behind.

It is foolish to dismiss science because it doesn't have an answer right now, because it will only be an matter of time.  Also, you cannot deny that creationism, and all it's variations, is not a theory and has not had to endure the constant scrutiny that comes with being proposed in the scientific community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how did these systems develop? Science has no answer. That does not mean that an answer may not be found one day, it means that there is no probable theory at the moment, hence it is a shortcoming.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t deny the questions that are still unanswered by science.  How does the sun move across the sky in an even form and rate everyday? Before science explained how the Earth rotated and related to the other bodies in our solar system, the explanation presented was that Apollo rode his chariot across the sky with the sun following behind.</p>
<p>It is foolish to dismiss science because it doesn&#8217;t have an answer right now, because it will only be an matter of time.  Also, you cannot deny that creationism, and all it&#8217;s variations, is not a theory and has not had to endure the constant scrutiny that comes with being proposed in the scientific community.</p>
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		<title>By: Question everything</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181673</link>
		<dc:creator>Question everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181673</guid>
		<description>First to Irishthunder - one short-coming is the evolution of DNA itself, the formation of the molecular structure of the nucleic acid bases followed by their use as coding for all protein synthesis (and lets include just for fun the relationship between nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA which is thought to be have an endosymbiotic beginning), and what the heck, lets also consider the evolution of the biochemical pathway of the conversion of rhodopsin which is necessary for the activation of optic receptors in the retina. I don't want rhetoric, I want to know the truth. Not the philosophical crap that you seem to be eschewing; how did these systems develop? Science has no answer. That does not mean that an answer may not be found one day, it means that there is no probable theory at the moment, hence it is a shortcoming.
A shortcoming of young earth creationism belief (note the word 'belief' not theory) is the presence of a lot of evidence that intimates a very old earth - that is a shortcoming.
Second to Alcari -there's two on the problem list for evolution, there are others, now if you truly want to be honest with yourself go and look with an open and enquiring mind.
But one point I applaud you both on, neither of you disagreed with the many shortcomings in the presentation of evolutionary theory - one hint for that is the very common application of directed evolution e.g. an organism evolved eyebrows to keep the sweat out of its eyes. Organisms cannot direct there own evolution, unless of course they use GM on their own designer babies. 
Cheers guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First to Irishthunder - one short-coming is the evolution of DNA itself, the formation of the molecular structure of the nucleic acid bases followed by their use as coding for all protein synthesis (and lets include just for fun the relationship between nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA which is thought to be have an endosymbiotic beginning), and what the heck, lets also consider the evolution of the biochemical pathway of the conversion of rhodopsin which is necessary for the activation of optic receptors in the retina. I don&#8217;t want rhetoric, I want to know the truth. Not the philosophical crap that you seem to be eschewing; how did these systems develop? Science has no answer. That does not mean that an answer may not be found one day, it means that there is no probable theory at the moment, hence it is a shortcoming.<br />
A shortcoming of young earth creationism belief (note the word &#8216;belief&#8217; not theory) is the presence of a lot of evidence that intimates a very old earth - that is a shortcoming.<br />
Second to Alcari -there&#8217;s two on the problem list for evolution, there are others, now if you truly want to be honest with yourself go and look with an open and enquiring mind.<br />
But one point I applaud you both on, neither of you disagreed with the many shortcomings in the presentation of evolutionary theory - one hint for that is the very common application of directed evolution e.g. an organism evolved eyebrows to keep the sweat out of its eyes. Organisms cannot direct there own evolution, unless of course they use GM on their own designer babies.<br />
Cheers guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcari</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181315</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, examining all sides is fine, but be honest about it. Present students with a huge list of examples of evidence in support of evolution, an empty list with evidence that does't match evolution.

Then give em the exact reverse for creationism and let 'em make up their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, examining all sides is fine, but be honest about it. Present students with a huge list of examples of evidence in support of evolution, an empty list with evidence that does&#8217;t match evolution.</p>
<p>Then give em the exact reverse for creationism and let &#8216;em make up their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: irishthunder</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181279</link>
		<dc:creator>irishthunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This means that I expect my students to examine honestly the claims and evidences of evolution, Intelligent Design, young and old Earth creationism and a host of other ‘theories’."

Your first problem is putting Evolution beside all that crap and trying to equate them.  Evolution is an actual SCIENTIFIC theory, none of the other beliefs have earned that.

"Evolution theory itself does have some honest short-comings, the way that evolution is presented has many, I believe, dishonest short-comings."

What are some of these 'short-comings'?   I'd wager they don't come close to the HUGE faults with Creationism.

Creationism has no place in Biology, Physics, or Chemistry.  It is as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This means that I expect my students to examine honestly the claims and evidences of evolution, Intelligent Design, young and old Earth creationism and a host of other ‘theories’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your first problem is putting Evolution beside all that crap and trying to equate them.  Evolution is an actual SCIENTIFIC theory, none of the other beliefs have earned that.</p>
<p>&#8220;Evolution theory itself does have some honest short-comings, the way that evolution is presented has many, I believe, dishonest short-comings.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are some of these &#8217;short-comings&#8217;?   I&#8217;d wager they don&#8217;t come close to the HUGE faults with Creationism.</p>
<p>Creationism has no place in Biology, Physics, or Chemistry.  It is as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Question everything</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-181081</link>
		<dc:creator>Question everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off,I have my post-graduate degrees in applied science, not post-modernistic philosophy. I teach Biology, Physics and Chemistry and I train my students to question everything - experimental data and both postulated scientific and pseudo-scientific theories. This means that I expect my students to examine honestly the claims and evidences of evolution, Intelligent Design, young and old Earth creationism and a host of other 'theories'. My students are expected to acknowledge the legitimacy of claims and to expose the short-comings of claims. Evolution theory itself does have some honest short-comings, the way that evolution is presented has many, I believe, dishonest short-comings. The scientist of tomorrow (indeed today) must have the ability to discern truth and logic from rank hyberbole and baseless rhetoric.

I would encourage commentors from both sides of the fence to rigorously question the claims that have been put forward by both their pet theorists and from the 'opposition' side. Be honest and open...you may just be surprised at what you find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off,I have my post-graduate degrees in applied science, not post-modernistic philosophy. I teach Biology, Physics and Chemistry and I train my students to question everything - experimental data and both postulated scientific and pseudo-scientific theories. This means that I expect my students to examine honestly the claims and evidences of evolution, Intelligent Design, young and old Earth creationism and a host of other &#8216;theories&#8217;. My students are expected to acknowledge the legitimacy of claims and to expose the short-comings of claims. Evolution theory itself does have some honest short-comings, the way that evolution is presented has many, I believe, dishonest short-comings. The scientist of tomorrow (indeed today) must have the ability to discern truth and logic from rank hyberbole and baseless rhetoric.</p>
<p>I would encourage commentors from both sides of the fence to rigorously question the claims that have been put forward by both their pet theorists and from the &#8216;opposition&#8217; side. Be honest and open&#8230;you may just be surprised at what you find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Reverend Jones says drink more Koolaid</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-157377</link>
		<dc:creator>Reverend Jones says drink more Koolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The level of scientific illiteracy in the US is astounding.  No wonder evolution is doubted by so many.  They aren't even familiar with the most basic concepts of science, so how could they ever make an intelligent response to evolution?  Just on this comment section, I've read some of the most erroneous comments, worse than my 9th grade LD biology classes make.  I also notice a strong correlation between poor science grades and a fundamentalist view of the bible among these kids, but, hey, it's a small, unrepresentative sample that I wouldn't want to generalize from.  But I'm just saying......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The level of scientific illiteracy in the US is astounding.  No wonder evolution is doubted by so many.  They aren&#8217;t even familiar with the most basic concepts of science, so how could they ever make an intelligent response to evolution?  Just on this comment section, I&#8217;ve read some of the most erroneous comments, worse than my 9th grade LD biology classes make.  I also notice a strong correlation between poor science grades and a fundamentalist view of the bible among these kids, but, hey, it&#8217;s a small, unrepresentative sample that I wouldn&#8217;t want to generalize from.  But I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/07/creation-science-cartoon/#comment-154285</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god bless</description>
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