Rolando del Campo made a promise to Jesus 11 years ago. If Jesus would deliver their child safely from a tough delivery, he would crucify himself every Good Friday for 15 years! Rolando is on number 12 and going strong.
I find this absolutely amusing because I really believe that this freak thinks Jesus played a part in his childs safe delivery. Nevermind the thousands of children that die everyday… Rolando’s is special. Jesus personally wanted his child to survive for some special cause I’m sure. Maybe Jesus gets off on watching him crucify himself every year.
Now I know that some of my Christian readers believe that Jesus has the power to help people. What I would like to know is why does he help a few and let millions of others die? Do you truly believe that God plays a role in who lives and who dies? I’m truly interested in hearing your thoughts so please contribute them.
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August 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
David Blaine is not the best magician but he surely amazes me with his old tricks.,`
July 15th, 2010 at 10:28 am
i like the magic tricks of David Blaine but Chris Angel is much better.~,.
July 9th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Another christian myth busted. Piece by piece, we take down the myths of christianity.
Read all about it here. Then make the world a better place. Be free of religion.
June 5th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
I can’t figure out why alexa sent me over here but I need to say I am now actually fascinated by the posts you have aggregated together. How many days did it take to get so many hitting to your pages? I am rather new to this web site stuff.
May 18th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
David Blaine has very good showmanship and his magic tricks are good too.*:-
April 3rd, 2010 at 5:06 am
I heard that some people were making fun of it. This is not right. They were saying that his screaming was the icing of the chocolate cake.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
I lost mine.
March 29th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
http://evilbible.com
cherie, you hear a lot of things in your little brain. Like “take that shower now, and bend over.” Don’t listen, it’s just your fucking priest again.
Stop praying and do some thinking, for a change.
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:54 am
I still hear a person full of anger and hurt, desperatly wanting the truth. There is a season for all things, I will pray for your season of enlightenment.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:39 am
cherie dear, get a fucking brain. Maybe you should have tried to actually understand the comments: The message of the bible is well-studied and easily understood, and it is demonstrably one of extreme violence and nastiness.
http://evilbible.com
And christianity is just a myth, one that borrows heavily from god myths before it. Better to shut that door on your nasty christian superstitions and move on.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Wow…I stumbled on the video and then read the comments.
This man is serving God, our father, the way he promised. Right or wrong only God knows. What I hear loud and clear when I read the comments that are against this servents actions are “Crucify”. Just as in Jesus’s day when many didn’t understand the message. Open your mind, open your heart and try to hear the truth before it is to late. The door is still open, don’t wait till your final days to find peace that surpasses all understanding.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:41 am
of cooarse god can’t suffer and can’t sacrifice when have all. so why think crucefy of jesus makes him suffer??? and can’t say because became human if go back to be god.
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
TS i can appreciate your sincerity and the truth you speak and i disagree with you that the knowledge you say you don’t have.
TS said, “I am an agnostic as I don’t claim to have any knowledge of the matter, if someone a long time ago let a bunch of people nail him to cross because he thought it would help others and not himself whether you believe it to be true or not you have to agree that you would at least respect his pain and sacrifice and not upstage him for 15 years!”
March 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
I think the most important issue here is the complete lack of respect and humility shown for the crucifixion of Jesus. Even if you are an atheist which I am not, I am an agnostic as I don’t claim to have any knowledge of the matter, if someone a long time ago let a bunch of people nail him to cross because he thought it would help others and not himself whether you believe it to be true or not you have to agree that you would at least respect his pain and sacrifice and not upstage him for 15 years! Oh yeah I’m sure Jesus is looking down from heaven and saying, “Are you kidding me? 15 times? What a 1 upper!” I bet he thinks hes Jesus x15 now.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Uhh, Gregory, no. Think harder:
You are the one who believes in a stupid, ridiculous and harmful sky fairy story in the face of a vast body of evidence and logical argument that shows your story to be nothing more than a fairy tale. Atheism is a reasoned conclusion. It is supported by evidence and reason, and it does not require belief. Like other typical stupid, ignorant religious kooks, you don’t get the difference.
That deserves ridicule. And get ready for more as the chorus grows:
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid sky fairy stories.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Here’s what I see from reading a few comments:
The atheists slam the Christians and believers for having a belief, and sharing their belief with others (Go make fishers of men was in the bible, if I am not mistaken, and I might be), but at the same time, the atheists are doing the EXACT SAME THING they slam believers for: sharing their OWN personal beliefs and belittling/making fun of anyone who does not share them.
Hypocritical much?
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 am
Daniel, why would I curse something that doesn’t exist? Maybe you are the one who needs to move on, from your old wives tales of your religion.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 am
For all of you that do not believe in Jesus Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit, then just curse the Holy Spirit and move on with your life.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Wouldn’t it be ironic if his kid grew up to be a criminal - maybe a murderous drug lord or something, after all that crucifying. lmao. NO wait, the funniest thing would be if the kid grew up to be an atheist…this loon would have a hard time explaining why Jesus saved the life of an atheist and had a Christian crucify himself for one. (Jesus had to have known the kid would be an atheist or drug lord, since he knows everything ahead of time, right?” lmao
February 1st, 2010 at 7:38 am
Rolando del Campo is a raving loony and should be carted of to the funny farm
February 1st, 2010 at 12:59 am
Michael: My answer to your violent demand is No.
I consider it a moral imperative to point out the idiocy and horror of your religion and others.
You are further faced with the usual problem of Christian imbeciles everywhere: if you don’t take the bible literally, then how do you decide how to take any part of it, and which parts to follow as guidance, and which parts not to?
The bible is a very poor source of life guidance. It’s full of dictates to do cruelty and violence like this:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
that cannot be denied. The same is true of both evil testaments in your book of horrors known as the bible, new testament and old. There are far better bases for morals than your nasty book.
Keep the peace, toss your nasty religion.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the stupid, the deluded, and the weak, and for those who would profit from them.
January 31st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
korgan will you shut the hell up!!!
don’t preach to people reasons why god isn’t real. I’m not preaching to you about accepting god.i’m a practising catholic but don’t take the bible literally..i use it as a means to lead a good life, and if i hadn’t i wouldn’t have been on peace keeping missions in africa trying to protect people from the evil in the world. and i’ll tell u one thing, there was no sign of a bible there..as they weren’t christian!!so don’t try and blame christianity for all the reasons there is hate everywhere..as there are many influences
January 9th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Steve,
All the evils that have been caused by stupid Christians past and present are reason enough to continue to show people the violence, contradictions, errors, and sheer evil of the Christian book of fairy tales known as the bible. The Christian religion is a blight on humanity, and well worth all efforts to finally bring it down.
So fuck off, asshole. I’m not going away. And neither is this:
http://reasonproject.org
Do some reading there before you post again, loser.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid sky fairy tales.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the cowardly, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:36 am
Hey Korgan,
If you’re so convinced that the Bible is stupid and Christians are foolish why do you keep chirping about it? Move on man.. If the Bible is stupid and Christians are idiots find something else for meaning in life or something else to harp on about.
January 7th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I’m Mormon. I attend BYU. Just checking in. =)
December 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Stu, the claims in your post are nonsense, and nice try at boosting sales of a foolish book with invalid premises.
Nothing in your story about your father is credible proof at all of the existence of a god. You present pure coincidence and your conclusions are confirmation bias, nothing more. Circumstances happen all the time, good and bad. People pray sincerely for the lives of sick relatives, and those relatives still die horrible deaths after horrible suffering. Following your same “logic”, all those other cases mean that your god simply is an unfair asshole by giving your particular wishes precedence, and that you are a vain fool for thinking that you get special treatment. A more valid conclusion, considering all the evidence, is that your god does not exist with characteristics as claimed.
I really hope that you will reconsider your shameless promotion of yet another stupid book about your awful religion. One suspects that you fall into either the gullible or the profit category of the following byline.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the cowardly, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Of course God plays a role in death. You’re absolutely absurd for thinking that he wouldn’t. One answer to your question of why God allows some to live and some to die in certain scenarios is prayer. If people pray for some one who is in a life or death situation (and really pray, the right way, with faith that it will really happen and in large numbers of people) God will perform a miracle and help that person. Read the book “90 Minutes in Heaven” for proof of that. Sometimes God may use a person’s death for a reason. I know a man whose wife had a miscarraige, he says that now he is able to relate to and help people that have went through the same thing. Also, God used the death of my grandfather to turn my life around. My grandfather nearly died many times, and was expected to by a certain date. But, God kept him alive well past that date just for me. He took my grandfather finally when I was at a church camp. This is significant because on the day that my grandfather died, the speaker ironically talked about getting over the death of his father, and dedicated two services to my grandfather’s favorite Bible verse, Joshua 24:15 “…as for me and my family, we will serve the lord”. This event changed my life, and I really hope you will reconsider your beliefs and look into the book “90 minutes in heaven” for proof.
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November 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Dino, your claim boils down to this; because Ununnilium, therefore Cthulhu.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
Dino, a visit to any natural history museum shows rather obviously that the evidence supports evolution and contradicts Christian teachings in the book of evil known as the bible.
Just go here and learn:
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/index.html
Modern biology stands and richly grows on the firm foundation of evolution. Furthermore, just to cite one of many, many examples, the ongoing mutations of flu viruses such as the world is experiencing today fully supports the evolutionary viewpoint and raises some more rather destructive questions about the claimed nature of the god fable that you appear to believe in.
There is no evidence that supports your apparent viewpoint. None at all. And despite your shouted claims, there is no valid proof of your god that you can cite either.
Furthermore, your post contains several logical fallacies, mainly ad hominem and Pascal’s Wager. You should try to get a better understanding of basic logic principles before you post again. That may also assist you in discovering the many flaws in the Christian doctrine. This is another good site for you to start learning from:
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
Doesn’t matter how often you claim otherwise, you have no no evidence to support your claims. The proof is for evolution, and against the Christian myths as presented in the bible.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 am
Korgan,
You ignorant, look around you and you will see the answer to your debate with Michael!!!!
You’ll see when you’re dying, the truth will be revailed to you and it will be too late for you.
It has been proven that GOD exist, and your evolution are yet to be proven and all those people who tried to prove it died in VAIN. I don’t need to show evidences just look around you!!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
what a dumbass……
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July 19th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Answering to the question of why religious freaks went even here to annoy nomrla poeple with their bullhsit, but they get annoyed and upset themselves if you try to calm them down and send them away.
Religious freaks are deprived fomr logic and all the brain functions based on instincts and therefore have all the reflexes messed up.
Waht they believ (being illogic), is just one thing, the one who yells and perseverates in telling bullshit wins, they don’t really care baout hwo it works in reality:
Universal signs of sane psyche and conscious logic intellect:
I Law : A human being must protect his personal freedom, existence, well-being and property. Except only where such kind of protection would conflict with the Second or Third law.
II Law : A human being must understand and respect all the natural needs and preferences of other human beings. Except only where such needs or preferences would conflict with the First or Third Law.
III Law : A human being must not injure mentally or physically, or murder another human being, or trough inaction allow this to happen. Except only where this would conflict with the First or Second Law.
That’s actually it is very possible why in ancient Roman empire religious freaks were executed in colosseums, it is very fun indeed to observe idotic assholes who yell to each other and try to kill without any logic, but to show their supremacy by brainlessly annoying each other.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:49 am
So…anyway. There’s this dude that cucifies himself…
July 8th, 2009 at 8:01 am
You started into the right direction but then you turned right into the ditch. It would be fine if religious people would leave others in peace but they do not and that is the crux of the problem.
So you think atheists should just sit and smile as the evangelizing christian froths of eternal damnation and demands you to submit to his will? To just bear it so no christian gets his feelings hurt? If my faith says I need to kick you into the groin for not being part of my faith, would you just accept it and be less touchy as that is my religious belief?
I do not care until he believer starts to spout off his beliefs unasked in a basically atheistic forum or in public. When they demand that I need to believe in their delusion or I will suffer. I respond to threats so poorly these days, I just cannot sit still when people are abusive.
Yes it is, but does that stop the religious groups? It is their god given task to pester people and then harass them if they do not submit. How many atheists have rang your doorbell and handed you blank paper? How many atheists you see converting people into following religious dogma and making you follow arbitrary rules which do not even make sense?
Exactly, but do religious people follow that? Do they not care how you are to worship, to whom you are to worship and what you cannot worship?
That is the basis of the religions, control of your action, submission to whom ever religion deems god and prohibitions for other religious practices or even non-practices.
Your concern is noted and most likely you mean well but you miss the point, you truly miss the point.
Problem is not the lack of belief but the command for belief.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
What I do not understand is this: Why can’t people believe what they feel is right and be left in peace? Fanatics on both sides are spewing hatred and cruelty rather than accepting that freedom of faith (In whichever God(s) and/or science) is every human being’s basic right? I’m a believer. My roommate and best friend is not. Do we insult/threaten each other? No. Why all this wasted energy over who is “right”? Let Christians follow the teaching of Christ and maybe atheists could show more acceptance and be less touchy. If you do not believe in the divine, why do you CARE if someone else does? Converting attempts on either side are ludicrous. We have the gift of free will (God given or otherwise) and should use it for the good of mankind rather than bitching over how/whom and why we may or may not worship.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hey people, I see you don’t understand by yourself an obvious fact, this is a site that exposes religious madness.
If you want futile and brianless quoting of bible and all the bullshit connected to reliogious crazy people, you should go to a religious site.
What you do here is just an obviously useless thing.
Take some pills and calm down please, nobody is interested to hear your reòigious madness bullshit even here.
Thanks in advance cheers
June 28th, 2009 at 9:12 am
And michael, if you are going to continue to copy and paste endless spew from creationist crap sites, at least reference them. Google is not your friend as we expose the absurd fallacies of your religion here.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
michael,
What actual science reference have you ever read, regarding evolution? Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature.
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and your dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Here is a useful link to a movie trailer that explains what exactly reliogus freaks and their antagonists atheists freaks caused to happen on Planet Earth:
http://www.kinomania.ru/news/7519
June 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Only motherfucked assholes do not know the truth, so unfortunately they still are writing bullshit in mass media, insetad of moving themselves inside the church, that was invented just for one purpose, to keep assholes busy, inside something that makes feel them somebody even if they are brainless assholes that repeat only brainless bullshit.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:07 am
IN SCIENCE WE TRUST BY CONSCIOUS RATIONALITY
IN GOD WE BELIEVE BY UNCONSCIOUS ABSURDITY
June 27th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Let me get this straight, evolution is false because it cannot explain other areas of scientific research? That is like saying milk is bad for you because it cannot be used for building skyscrapers.
June 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
The earth’s magnetism is running down. This world-wide phenomenon could not have been going on for more than a few thousand years, despite swapping direction many times. Evolutionary theories are not able to explain properly how the magnetism could sustain itself for billions of years.
The earth’s magnetic field is not only a good navigational aid and a shield from space particles, it is powerful evidence against evolution and billions of years. The clear decay pattern shows the earth could not be older than about 10,000 years. it could not have been decaying for more than 10,000 years, or else its original strength would have been large enough to melt the earth.
One of the most fascinating sights in the sky is a total eclipse of the sun. This is possible because the moon is almost exactly the same angular size (half a degree) in the sky as the sun — it is both 400 times smaller and 400 times closer than the sun. This looks like design. If the moon had really been receding for billions of years, and man had been around for a tiny fraction of that time, the chances of mankind living at a time so he could observe this precise size matchup would be remote
How long has the moon been receding?
Friction by the tides is slowing the earth’s rotation, so the length of a day is increasing by 0.002 seconds per century. This means that the earth is losing angular momentum. The Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum says that the angular momentum the earth loses must be gained by the moon. Thus the moon is slowly receding from Earth at about 4 cm (1½ inches) per year, and the rate would have been greater in the past. The moon could never have been closer than 18,400 km (11,500 miles), known as the Roche Limit, because Earth’s tidal forces (i.e., the result of different gravitational forces on different parts of the moon) would have shattered it. But even if the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance.NB: this is the maximum possible age — far too young for evolution (and much younger than the radiometric ‘dates’ assigned to moon rocks) — not the actual age.
Could the moon form by itself?
Evolutionists deny the moon’s direct creation by God. They have come up with several theories, but they all have serious holes, as many evolutionists themselves admit. For example, lunar researcher S. Ross Taylor said: ‘The best models of lunar origin are the testable ones, but the testable models for lunar origin are wrong.’ Another astronomer said, half-jokingly, that there were no good (naturalistic) explanations, so the best explanation is that the moon is an illusion!
1. Fission theory, invented by the astronomer George Darwin (son of Charles). He proposed that the earth spun so fast that a chunk broke off. But this theory is universally discarded today. The earth could never have spun fast enough to throw a moon into orbit, and the escaping moon would have been shattered while within the Roche Limit.
2. Capture theory — the moon was wandering through the solar system, and was captured by Earth’s gravity. But the chance of two bodies passing close enough is minute; the moon would be more likely to have been ‘slingshotted’ like artificial satellites than captured. Finally, even a successful capture would have resulted in an elongated comet-like orbit.
3. Condensation theory — the moon grew out of a dust cloud attracted by Earth’s gravity. However, no such cloud could be dense enough, and it doesn’t account for the moon’s low iron content.
4. Impact theory — the currently fashionable idea that material was blasted off from Earth by the impact of another object. Calculations show that to get enough material to form the moon, the impacting object would need to have been twice as massive as Mars. Then there is the unsolved problem of losing the excess angular momentum
again i will state that for evolutionary “fine-tuning” of humans as you insinuate, to go from slime to a man, you need MASSIVE increases in DNA information, phenomenal amounts, yet they havent even witnessed small amounts. you can only lose DNA, you cannot add it. dawkins himself has no answer to this question
radioactive materials like uranium generate helium as they decay. if this decay has been going on for billions of years, there should be enormous amounts in the atmosphere. and even if you start with no helium, and allow for the small part that escapes, it would take less than 2 million years to accumulate the small amount they have found. but you guys are saying 5 billion years.
likewise, comets are supposed to be the same age of the solar system , 5 billion. but when a comet orbits close to the sun, it loses much of its material. they couldn’t last longer than max 100, 000 years. most of them are less than 10,000 years old.
the rings on the planet uranus were tested and they realised that they could not last any longer than 1 billion max. they are coming up with a theory that the rings can somehow regenerate
do you see the pattern? evolutionists already belive the solar system and earth ARE billions of years old and will try to fit everything in around it, rather than the other way round. which brings me to carbon dating. the methods used like uranium-lead or potassium-argon come up with dates ranging from zero to millions of years, in one rock layer. calculations used are based on unprovable assumptions. how is that factual? YOU CANNOT ASSUME WHAT YOU SET OUT TO PROVE, THIS IS NOT SCIENCE!
is this scientific enough for you korgan? still believe your delusions no matter what? i’ve tried to have a debate with you about SCIENTIFIC FACTS but you ran from that and just started standard attacks.
i can get into the zircon rocks which have been tested and urinate on evoluionary theory. there is way too much helium in them and billions of years is a fairy tale, just like your religion. there is FAR less faith required to belive in God than to believe in evolution, ah the irrational atheist. I usually get much better debates than the feeble attempt you have delivered. i’ve told you there is evidence that suggests evolution, sure, i fell for that too, but you CANNOT ignore all the evidence that scientifcally disproves it. it was a good attempt, i give darwin credit, he tried, but its just not true.
June 27th, 2009 at 5:50 am
you post crap because you have no answers, you’ve put your all into this absurd theory and no matter how much scientific evidence i give to you, you dont want to see the truth. Why should your brain chemistry be trusted over mine, since both obey the same infallible laws of chemistry?
Example: A young man approached me at a seminar and stated, ‘Well, I still believe in the big bang, and that we arrived here by chance random processes. I don’t believe in God.’ I answered him, ‘Well, then obviously your brain, and your thought processes, are also the product of randomness. So you don’t know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you don’t know if you’re making correct statements or even whether you’re asking me the right questions.’
The young man looked at me and blurted out, ‘What was that book you recommended?’ He finally realized that his belief undercut its own foundations —such ‘reasoning’ destroys the very basis for reason.
On another occasion, a man came to me after a seminar and said, ‘Actually, I’m an atheist. Because I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in absolutes, so I recognize that I can’t even be sure of reality.’ I responded, ‘Then how do you know you’re really here making this statement?’ ‘Good point,’ he replied. ‘What point?’ I asked. The man looked at me, smiled, and said, ‘Maybe I should go home.’ I stated, ‘Maybe it won’t be there.’ ‘Good point,’ the man said. ‘What point?’ I replied
June 25th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, made by degenerated perverts who would enslave their minds and profit from them.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:28 am
michael, your latest (and again absurd) post contains Pascal’s Wager, already established as a logical fallacy, very typical of your demonstrably flawed “arguments” thus far. My posts are repeated because you continue to post unsupported spew, and I don’t want posts by religious wingnuts such as yourself to get topline visibility that their demonstrably incorrect creation fables don’t merit. The public has been misled enough already by creationist crap.
And again in science news today, we see more evidence presented that contradicts your utterly absurd fiction of a young earth. But, then again, you don’t read science texts or science news, so that will be utterly lost on you. Open your eyes for a change and try reading a biology textbook, at least. Your utter ignorance of modern biology is truly stunning.
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature .
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and your dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:25 am
michael, your latest post contains Pascal’s Wager, already established as a logical fallacy, very typical of your demonstrably flawed “arguments” thus far. My posts are repeated because you continue to post unsupported spew, and I don’t want posts by religious wingnuts such as yourself to get topline visibility that their demonstrably incorrect creation fables don’t merit. The public has been misled enough already by creationist crap.
And again in science news today, we see more evidence presented that contradicts your utterly absurd fiction of a young earth. But, then again, you don’t read science texts or science news, so that will be utterly lost on you. Open your eyes for a change and try reading a biology textbook, at least. Your utter ignorance of modern biology is truly stunning.
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature .
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and your dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 25th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Galileo wrote, “God is known … by nature in His works and by doctrine in His revealed word.” Or as Pasteur confessed, “the more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the creator.” Isaac Newton: “when I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. this did not happen by chance.”
If you are not a religous schizofrenic freaking weirdo, and dont have to demonstrate at any cost the existence of the so called god, then you will observe that in reality things are vice versa, the planet earth was born by a chance in the right position and was able to handle biological life.
The only thing that was not born by chance is the religion, infact religion is a mindless product of crazy people.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:41 am
hahaha, beaten fair and square and you know it. posting the same crap i’ve already refuted isn’t an answer. that was a little over your head wasn’t it. wait till judgement day korgan, try and feed that pathetic theory to your creator.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
michael,
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature .
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and your dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; apparently in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Matt, I appreciate your comment and your tone, but I think your standpoint fails even more seriously than that of the Christian creationists, for the following reason. The Christian dogma is in obvious disagreement with evolution on many fronts, in regard to sequence, time scales, and mechanisms, and the two therefore cannot be reconciled. Evidence and reason support only one explanation, and that is clearly evolution.
Furthermore, while one might like to just let people live with their god delusions and other psych comfort blankets, the outcomes and frequent erroneous conclusions of beliefy thinking, as well as the adherence to violent and harmful doctrines, are demonstrably so significantly negative to society that they need to be challenged and dispelled. I really consider dispelling religious delusions to be a moral imperative.
So, again, I have to say emphatically,
Religion is ridiculous.
and,
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; perhaps in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
michael,
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature .
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 am
The Religious Bible was not written by scientists, and not even by normal ignorant people. The Religious Bible was written by degenrated weirdos and perverted frekas.
The real Bible was an omnibook that contained all the scientifical data, written by Greek and Roman scientists. Th eoriginsl Bible was exactly written in ordre to make people study at school and become scientfically savvy.
There are very clear hints that the Religion and religous Bible were invented by a conspiracy of freaks and weirdos instead of science and the original Bible wroitten by th emost ointellignet people at that time.
The first and most notorius hint about th efreaks and weirdos conspirators is of course the Greek legend about Danko, who took his heart for supposedly help other people. It is obvious that Greek legends were all written by intelligent people, and that Danko was an inventoin of someone very sick in mind, someone who was a sado masochistic pervert and a freak.
At the end we find the same figure of a suffering asshole, instead of Danko, we find the legend of Jesus Christos who was also suffering for other people.
If you are intelligent enough, you will clearly see how th econspiracy evolved and become religion, forst these degenrated perverts started writing bullshit, believeing that tehse sick fantasies were ion the sam elevel of intelligent legends, and at th eend they took power nad rewrote the whole scientifical works of scientiststs.
As it is well knwon, after they started the Dictatorship of reliigon, the sick religious degenrated perverts started to hunt and kill all the mentally normla scientists.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 am
standard korgspam, evolution has NOT been observed, all you have seen is a few mutations or loss of data already there. big deal. show me ANYTHING that has increased the amount of DNA and you have a plausable theory. you don’t have it that’s why you are clinging to these other scraps. you have to realise we are looking at exactly the same evidence just with different presuppositions, that is all. the evidence is not wrong, just your interpretation of it. you WILL have the day where you feel the weight of the world on your shoulders, an unmistakable pain in your heart, and i know you’ll never admit it but it will come.
underneath all the scientific pretension you keep going on about, it’s all about man being master of his own destiny, about freedom from accountability to God, about being released from judeo-christian sexual morality, about making up your own rules, about sustaining the life of pride and individual will. in a very real sense, it’s about being your own god
Galileo wrote, “God is known … by nature in His works and by doctrine in His revealed word.” Or as Pasteur confessed, “the more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the creator.” Isaac Newton: “when I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. this did not happen by chance.”
the universe is uniform. this assumption—known as the Cosmological Principle, says that matter is spread uniformly throughout space. once scientists accept that the universe is not uniform, you are lost. the foundations of the big bang models crumble away. you are left with no explanation for the big bang, or galaxy formation, or the distribution of galaxies in the universe
man can initiate thoughts and actions; they are not fully determined by deterministic laws of brain chemistry. this is a deduction from the biblical teaching that man has both a material and immaterial aspect (e.g. genesis 35:18, 1 kings 17:21–22, matthew 10:28). this immaterial aspect of man means that he is more than matter, so his thoughts are likewise not bound by the makeup of his brain. but if materialism were true, then ‘thought’ is just an epiphenomenon of the brain, and the results of the laws of chemistry. thus, given their own presuppositions, materialists have not freely arrived at their conclusion that materialism is true, because their conclusion was predetermined by brain chemistry. but then, why should their brain chemistry be trusted over mine, since both obey the same infallible laws of chemistry? So in reality, if materialists were right, then they can’t even help what they believe (including their belief in materialism!). yet often call themselves ‘freethinkers’, overlooking the glaring irony! genuine initiation of thought is an insuperable problem for materialism.
why should logic work at all? not only can unbelievers not make a sound case against christianity, but an atheistic world-view attacks the very basis of reasoning itself. this was realised by the famous communist evolutionist biologist, J.B.S. Haldane:
‘if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, i have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true … and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.’
in a debate between the christian, William Lane Craig and the atheist, Frank Zindler, Zindler claimed that our logical processes evolved for survival value. Craig pointed out that this provides no reason for us to trust their validity, only their value in survival.
even Darwin wrote in an early private notebook, ‘why is thought, being a secretion of brain, more wonderful than gravity as a property of matter?’but this argument is self-defeating. for it applies to that thought of Darwin’s too, and to every thought about evolution, hence we have no reason to trust them.
the famous marxist paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould claimed that the mind was an illusion produced by the brain. So why should we trust anything Gould says, if his thoughts are illusions? this only shows that many atheistic theories actually refute themselves. thus there is no need for independent empirical tests for them. conversely, the christian doctrine that we are created in the image of a logical God is an excellent explanation for our logical faculties.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Matt, I appreciate your comment and your tone, but I think your standpoint fails even more seriously than that of the Christian creationists, for the following reason. The Christian dogma is in obvious disagreement with evolution on many fronts, in regard to sequence, time scales, and mechanisms, and the two therefore cannot be reconciled. Evidence and reason support only one explanation, and that is clearly evolution.
Furthermore, while one might like to just let people live with their god delusions and other psych comfort blankets, the outcomes and frequent erroneous conclusions of beliefy thinking, as well as the adherence to violent and harmful doctrines, are demonstrably so significantly negative to society that they need to be challenged and dispelled. I really consider dispelling religious delusions to be a moral imperative.
So, again, I have to say emphatically,
Religion is ridiculous.
and,
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
michael,
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature .
Try actually reading about modern science, rather than clinging to your sky fairy blanket and your absurd creation rag mags with no support in evidence. Science is tough work, and requires real diligence and thinking.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:46 am
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; perhaps in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:43 am
that’s just garbage from the God Delusion korgan. you would be better off reading ‘refuting evolution’ by jonathan sarfati so you can read all about the precious scientific facts you keep going on about. science is activity, evolution is an impossible fairy tale accepted only because alot of poeple including yourslef like the idea of no accountability. and matt evolution and creation are worlds apart, you cannot accept both. God does not need evolution, He created man himself, and not the other way around. your evidence is weak korgan and you dodged everyone of the questions i put to you. just remember don’t have a little teary when your parents pass away one day or if a close friend or relative comes down with cancer or is ever killed young tragically. this is not sad remember this is all normal, don’t cry, this is life, this is all there is hey. your life is approx 80 years out of 5 billion the earth has been going for, you’re a speck, insignificant nothing. it shouldn’t matter to you if someone you know dies anymore than if the family pet dies cause remember humans aren’t sacred, we weren’t created in the image of God, we’re all animals and the lucky recipient of chance. don’t cry now, don’t talk tough and then have a heartfelt sob when reality bites you. prove to me your ludicrous religion, prove it doesn’t hurt, don’t bat an eyelid at your next funeral.
June 19th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
heads or tails? because when the coin lands you will have the truth and your answer. i stand and Jesus Is TheTruth.
June 19th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Matt, I appreciate your comment and your tone, but I think your standpoint fails even more seriously than that of the Christian creationists, for the following reason. The Christian dogma is in obvious disagreement with evolution on many fronts, in regard to sequence, time scales, and mechanisms, and the two therefore cannot be reconciled. Evidence and reason support only one explanation, and that is clearly evolution.
Furthermore, while one might like to just let people live with their god delusions and other psych comfort blankets, the outcomes and frequent erroneous conclusions of beliefy thinking, as well as the adherence to violent and harmful doctrines, are demonstrably so significantly negative to society that they need to be challenged and dispelled. I really consider dispelling religious delusions to be a moral imperative.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Hey im a Christian but i also believe in evolution and the big bang theory and many scientific facts. While I respect your opinion the thing that gets me is how you respond to people who do have faith. Ex. Religion is for the stupid and the gullible, and those who would profit from them.
If people find comfort in religion why take that away from them? To prove you are right? If people have a closed minded view of religion just accept that because you probably wont be able to do much good. Don’t go bashing them around and calling them stupid and ignorant, because then your being just as closed minded as they are. Try to show them what you feel is right without degrading or bringing people down, because you will never be able to reach them. -Matt
June 17th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; perhaps in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
June 17th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
michael,
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the real state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 17th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
(Ugg, more stupid Allycrap shit from Ally. Ignore that. Ally, fuck off and get lost or we’ll just bury your spew again.)
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are legion and appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; perhaps in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am
“Many people will profess loudly that they do not believe in God because ‘science’ has proven that evolution explains our existence without God. But according to the NSES’ own stipulations, evolution fails the test they have put forth to qualify as true science.
In light of this, why do so many scientists, who ought to know better, blindly accept evolutionary notions of our origins, instead of at least considering the possibility of a Creator?
Science Evolution
1-Observational data Fail
2-Accurate predictions Fail
3-Logical Fail
4-Open to criticism Fail
5-Accurate information Fail
6-No presuppositions Fail
Perhaps Hebrews 11:6 is appropriate to cite in this context. It says:
And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.”
http://creation.com/is-evolution-scientific
……………………………….
Another thing, so called atheists keep citing violence in the bible to discourage belief in it but “… Nazism flourished in the most scientifically advanced nation on Earth, with a third of all science Nobel Prizes awarded up to that time.”
Any religion or any person who consistently goes against the creator God is evil and their ultimate allegiance is to the devil!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:22 am
michael,
I’m only a little surprised (given your other misconceptions, which are legion and appalling) to see you go back to your earlier mistake of attempting to classify science as a belief system such as your creation myth is. I had hoped that we had moved you past that previous error of yours (one that you had tacitly acknowledged, and then claimed allegiance to the opposing position), but apparently that is not the case. You persist in your mistake, so here is an easily read reference for you on this topic. From it, I quote,
“Well, science is not a belief system. (1) Science is an activity. (2) In science the underlying assumptions are tested and retested. Such validating activities are not found in belief systems.”
For the click-challenged, here again is the link:
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/gottlieb.html
So, again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. Again, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Furthermore, regarding your absurd statements about prayer, prayer is for the weak and the weak-minded. No prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. I have no need, nor inclination, to pray to a particular scientist, nor any scientist; I can challenge and learn from scientists directly. I am a scientist myself; perhaps in your (twisted) religious thinking you feel a need to pray to me or to something, but I have no such need.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:37 am
michael,
Your “journal” of Creation is no more a valid science journal than Marvel comics are. Try reading the January 2009 issue of Scientific American for a non-specialist review of the state of evolution science. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, as you can see in layperson literature such as National Geographic, and formal science journals such as Nature.
Have you ever taken even an undergraduate course in biology (and if so, did you pass it?)? Evolution is one of the solid pillars of modern biology, and in fact, it has been known about long enough, with sufficient time scales, for evolution to actually have been observed in species of various breeding rates. As the great biologist Ernst Mayr and others have stated, modern biology doesn’t even make sense without evolution.
It is very telling that school board after school board is not accepting Christian creationism nonsense into science teaching, even in our educationally somewhat backward US school system. Your willful ignorance and dismissal of science is fairly typical of backward Christian wingnuts of your ilk, but you are an anachronism, and the absurd precepts of your sky fairy tale are being left behind, albeit too slowly. Even the pope, that evil high priest of Catholicism, has had to grudgingly acknowledge evolution.
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:15 am
what is wrong with you? you just keep posting the same message like a broken recording. do you actually exist or are you just a computer program? God will bring you to your knees eventually, calamity will overtake you and you will feel the weight of your burden crushing the life out of you. you will continue to talk tough but your heart will be hurting inside and all i can say is, when you reach this level of dispair, hand the burden to Him and start living your life and understand the meaning of life. you can try praying to your hero’s Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin, good luck getting a response.
the religion of evolution IS ridiculous, and for the gullible
June 16th, 2009 at 8:08 am
michael, your willful ignorance of biology and modern science is simply stunning.
To summarize your truly absurd position, you think that the earth is 6000 years old, and you deny evolution, despite the overwhelming evidence for it. Your primary reference is a site with no scientific merit whatsoever, and you can cite no scientific evidence, nor any valid science references, that back up your claims.
There are layperson and non-specialist references that readily show the utter absurdity of your claims. For example, recently, the National Geographic has recently stated, with biological evidence presented, that the case for evolution is overwhelming. Furthermore, excellent summaries, with evidence, of the 150,000 year (not 6000 year) population and migration history of homo sapiens around the planet has been presented in The Journey of Man and related work by Spencer Wells and others. Much of modern biology stands on the firm foundation of evolution science.
So again, try answering this question directly, that you are still dodging:
Do you deny the existence of fossils of lineages of precursor species to homo sapiens? Simple yes or no answer is sufficient. (Keep in mind that these lineages are well documented in recent non-specialist journals, such as Scientific American, so you may want to do some reading of a valid science reference before you answer.)
Like I’ve had to say here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their absurd claims; the whole ridiculous Christian creationist religion apparatus, including its highly profitable fundraising, faces collapse once the general public sees through it.
Creationism is for crackpots.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Michael, don’t worry, he is just posting more korgspam. He will continue posting the same thing until you leave, or give up. Even if you clearly win the argument, he will continue posting korgspam.
By the way Korgan, do they exist? Yes. Are your interpretations of their age, relation to other fossils, and relativity to them correct? No.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
michael, your willful ignorance of biology and modern science is simply stunning.
To summarize your truly absurd position, you think that the earth is 6000 years old, and you deny evolution, despite the overwhelming evidence for it. Your primary reference is a site with no scientific merit whatsoever, and you can cite no scientific evidence, nor any valid science references, that back up your claims.
There are layperson and non-specialist references that readily show the utter absurdity of your claims. For example, recently, the National Geographic has recently stated, with biological evidence presented, that the case for evolution is overwhelming. Furthermore, excellent summaries, with evidence, of the 150,000 year (not 6000 year) population and migration history of homo sapiens around the planet has been presented in The Journey of Man and related work by Spencer Wells and others. Much of modern biology stands on the firm foundation of evolution science.
So again, try answering this question directly, that you are still dodging:
Do you deny the existence of fossils of lineages of precursor species to homo sapiens? Simple yes or no answer is sufficient. (Keep in mind that these lineages are well documented in recent non-specialist journals, such as Scientific American, so you may want to do some reading of a valid science reference before you answer.)
Like I’ve had to say here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their absurd claims; the whole ridiculous Christian creationist religion apparatus, including its highly profitable fundraising, faces collapse once the general public sees through it.
Religion is for the ignorant, the stupid, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:04 am
thankyou korgan, i knew you wouldn’t have an answer for that big question, just like dawkins got stumped when they asked him. your silence is music to my ears and merely strengthens my belief. you keep beieving your little fairy tales about gazillions of years and stories about ape-men and things evolving from nothing. i gave you an answer to your question, you have been left speechless to 20-30 of mine. i would have thought being so strongly in favour of evolution you would have answers for the big brain ticklers, but alas no, so i will devote my time debating more worthy oppenents and people with open minds. is there evidence for evolution? of course there is, and i used to believe what i was told too, like you have. are there some fossils that look like apen-men YES. but that does prove it conclusively as you allude. NO. there is evidence for evolution, “overwhelming” depending on whether you want it to be true. but there is 10 times as much against it and it must be the only theory in the world to be called a proven fact despite the fact its never been seen or proven. miller’s experiment showed a few atoms, thats it. no DNA, no structure, and the big one, no LIFE. creation.com is written by scientists highly qualified in their field, you just dont like them because they disagree with you, that’s it. but if you’re so uptight about them and believe you’re giving creation science a fair go, read Journal of Creation, its a peer-reviewed magazine that displays scientific facts and exposes alot of the lies you believe in. to ignore all the evidence in favour of creation really just shows how irrational aethists are
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 am
michael, your willful ignorance of biology and modern science is simply stunning.
To summarize your truly absurd position, you think that the earth is 6000 years old, and you deny evolution, despite the overwhelming evidence for it. Your primary reference is a site with no scientific merit whatsoever, and you can cite no scientific evidence, nor any valid science references, that back up your claims.
There are layperson and non-specialist references that readily show the utter absurdity of your claims. For example, recently, the National Geographic has recently stated, with biological evidence presented, that the case for evolution is overwhelming. Furthermore, excellent summaries, with evidence, of the 150,000 year (not 6000 year) population and migration history of homo sapiens around the planet has been presented in The Journey of Man and related work by Spencer Wells and others. Much of modern biology stands on the firm foundation of evolution science.
So again, try answering this question directly, that you are still dodging:
Do you deny the existence of fossils of lineages of precursor species to homo sapiens? Simple yes or no answer is sufficient. (Keep in mind that these lineages are well documented in recent non-specialist journals, such as Scientific American, so you may want to do some reading of a valid science reference before you answer.)
Like I’ve had to say here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their absurd claims; the whole ridiculous Christian creationist religion apparatus, including its highly profitable fundraising, faces collapse once the general public sees through it.
Religion is ridiculous.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 am
to xissburg, the numerous prophets who foretold of Jesus and other events millenia before, Moses telling us about quarantine and other recent scientific discoveries 4 millenia before we proved them, the wise moral teachings of jesus “Love your enemies, by your love shall all men know you are my disciples” Islam tells us to smite our enemies, the infidels. Jesus says love them, how could this piece of wisdom come from the cruel God you suggest? sure there are alot of boneheads out there who profess to be christians and live no different and make a mockery of him, of course these are not true christians, does this make Jesus a liar? no, it just means there are idiots out there, and yes hypocrites. no doubt. your trust and faith are in the creator, not the disciple, remember that. you can always tell a chirstian by what they say and how they live. the catholics will have alot to answer for to God for the misuse of power and money, i can’t wait for the day alot of those pope’s and priests meet their maker, they will be punished severely. and in proverbs, special sayings of wisdom that are still so relevant today, should show you that it is from men “who spake moved of the holy spirit” 40 different authors written over 2000 years, all with one common theme. all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together. but of course, it comes down to the individual whether you believe or not, the evidence is there though.
korgan, there really is nothing i could say to convince you, we both know that. i have you given you so much information, just facts, some copied from sites as it goes a little out of my knowledge level, but mostly research i have done myself, most of that you don’t need a science degree, and why does it matter, it is just simple FACTS that anyone with an open mind could figure out. it is well known that creationists are not given a fair go in the field as evolutionists dimiss everything not because of the evidence, JUST BECAUSE they are creationists. promising young scientists who are excellent in their field, the second they mention they believe in creation, they are shunned, laughed at, and opportunities stifled, not because of bad work, just because they are creationists. the media is left-biased, meaning whenever some disocvery is made ther are huge write-ups about it. conversely, when creation evidence springs up, quite frequently that it does, or an evolutionary evidence is exposed as a fraud, like vestigial organs, no one hears a thing
the first link i gave you shoudln’t matter where it came from, a 10 year old kid could read it and realise the stupidity. you look at a birdhouse in a tree and deduce the birdhouse was obviously created, but the tree made itself. you look at a man standing next to a skyscraper and tell me the building was created but the man beside it formed by himself, when in both cases the latter is so much more complicated, it breathes, it can reproduce, it heals itself. i don’t know if you have exerienced childbirth yet and i have to yet to as well but doesn’t this miracle of life just scream creation at you! the whole process, the genious of it, it is so complicated yet so perfect. parents beam with pride about their children and even the bible says children are a gift from God. i can’t fathom how you honestly tell me you have read all that information i’ve gone to the trouble of getting for you and say its irrelevant. i’m sorry you dont see it, there is literally no proof or hope for you until you open your eyes and realise you have fallen for the devil’s tricks. say out loud what you believe and realise how ridiculous it sounds. i’m not trying to have a go, i am filled with christian love despite the fact you hate me and other christians. why does it not bother you that i have listed many MAJOR problems with evolution that CANNOT be ignored? that anyone with common sense would see are highly detrimental to believing.
the fact you say “real scientists” again alludes to the fact that creationist scientists are idiots, which is the perception i referred to above. these guys have the same qualifications, contribute just as much to their field of choice, and are applauded, until the second they admit they can’t believe in evolution. why did you bother bringing up scientific debate when there are no answers to the facts i have produced? whether you think creation.com is valid or not it is an acceptable and believeable answer to your question. where are your acceptable and believeable answers to the sinking titanic of evolution? is your whole hope in these fossils? fossils that could easily be interpreted either way. doesn’t it bother you that even if these fossils did resemble some sort of ape-man, the fact that upwards evolution is IMPOSSIBLE? the smallest organisms on earth have a HUGE amount of information yet not even one organism can be produced, but you believe an entire human being can com from nothing? dawkins himself has never seen this, nor can list even one example, apart from winged beetles which have merely mutated. if there was an example it would be all over the news, it would be in textbooks everywhere, you’d be ramming it down my throat right now. it doesn’t exist, it never has, without it, you could gather as many fossils as you like, but its meaningless.
the earth is approx 6000 years old, which because of evolutionary brainwashing, sounds like a very short time and young earth. have you ever considered this is a bloody long time? carbon dating is unreliable as i have already mentioned, it is full of assumptions, you cannot assume what you set out to prove. the dates are commonly out by massive margins, no one was around for these supposed millions of years to see what sort of environment the rock was in, if the rate of decay was consistent or not, there are way too many variables. comets do not live longer than 10,000 years max (yes i’ve heard about some cloud beyond pluto that they’re still searching for), continental erosion, the amount of helium in the atmosphere, or severe lack thereof, the earth’s magnetic field, mercury’s magnetic field, these all point to a very “young” earth. the population rate easily fits in with a handful of people in the middle east approx 4500 years ago. i’m not going on anymore, this is fruitless. i just hope someone else reading these blogs reads with open eyes and an open mind. the evidence is the for all to see. i am not wasting my time on here to try and get you to believe some rubbish i came up wth myself. i am not here trying to tell you to support the same teams i do or tell why my interests are more interesting than yours or anything like that, i of course respect poeple’s different interests and opinions, but this is seriously a matter of life and death, though you will laugh. this frustrates and tires me out, believe me i could be doing way more fun things, but i have realised the truth of Jesus’ message and it would warm my heart to help others hear it. jeremiah 20:9 “But if I say, “I will not mention him or speak any more in his name,” his word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in; indeed, I cannot” This is my verse. I think i have presented an extremely strong case here, which any unbiased 3rd party would agree. korgan, i’m sorry you feel the way you do, and i sadly await the standard aethist reply, but thanks for taking the time to read, all the best. i will pray that you will see the truth before it’s too late.
June 7th, 2009 at 1:17 am
“Religion is just one way to get power and money…” thank you for showing me the truth in scriptures of Jesus is Christ, the Saviour of the world.
June 6th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
u guys speak too much…
In my opinion, the whole bible may be either true or false, there’s no proof of anything that is written there. The bible is a thing that people say ‘the real truth is in the bible’ and lots of other people just believe on that and start following the bible too.
The bible was written by men like us in the very past (its what it seems) then, why would the bible be so true then? why no one else writes anything in the bible? does it mean the men of the past were saints? no one can prove it lol
I believed in the bible a few months ago (and since a lots of years ago). But now I’ve opened my eyes…it may be either true or false (or partially true or false), there’s no proof…but in my opinion most of the bible is probably false…there are ridiculous and stupid things in the bible that were written there just to manipulate the stupid ones who completely believe in it.
Religion is just one way to get power and money…
June 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Michael,
I’m glad that you have retracted your erroneous statement that tried to equate science and belief. You’ve made a bit of progress away from your delusions.
Now, your reference, creation.com, is not a valid science reference. Rather, it is a shill site for the creationist cause, nothing more, and its “journal” disgraces the name “journal”. If you want me to take you seriously, provide references to a valid, refereed science journal (such as Nature or Physical Review), one that is actually subject to review and criticism and acknowledged as such by real scientists.
Now, let’s start you off with two simple questions:
1. Do you deny the existence of fossils of lineages of precursor species to homo sapiens? Simple yes or no answer is sufficient.
2. How old do you think the earth is? Again, a short answer suffices; your copy and paste of creationist pulp fiction is annoying.
Religion is ridiculous.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:18 am
here is a fantastic description of why evolution believers don’t follow the same logic you accuse creationists of not having. letter to an “open-minded” aethist.
http://creation.com/a-birdbox-and-a-tree
i totally agree with your above statement about science, its a true statement, and that is the reason evolution should not be regarded as science. its NEVER been observed, and you are having faith that at some point it happened. your scientists dont even agree on how it happened, the ONLY thing evolutionists agree on is that it happened, somehow. every bit of key evidence gets debunked years down the track, so new “revised” info comes out. the lies told to our parents like piltdown and nebraska man were exposed and the lies we are being fed today will be exposed by the time our children grow up. yes science changes all the time, frequently reviewed, and the bible stays the same, doesnt need revision, was written thousands of years ago and is still correct to every detail and smarter than these books. TRUE science always agrees with the bible. not that hypothetical, assumption riddled, unobservable “truth” you call science.
moses was the greatest scientist who ever lived. the laws he gave to the israelites almost 4000 years ago were incredible given the fact it was a pre-scientific era and in an age of paganism and superstions. he knew then about quarantining ill people, selective breeding in animals, circumsion being performed on exactly the 8th day, staying away from dead animals carcuses etc.. we know all this today and take it for granted because its all been proven by modern science. so how did moses know all this? where did he get his information from? this is no small matter.
the fossil record is extremely weak for proving evolution and those in the know acknowledge this, just to themsleves thats all. there should so many more but yet all we ever find is fully formed creatures, suprise suprise. the fossil evidence is great evidence for a wordwide flood, rapid burial is the best way to get fossils. they have found dinosaur mummies, would this not suggest rapid burial to you? what about all the marine fossils, how does a fish get fossilised, if they die in the water they are eaten very quickly. how did thy end up on the tops of mountains? here is an excellent article on the supposed hominidae evidence
http://aufiles.creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j21_3/j21_3_118-127.pdf
if you understand DNA explain to me how identical twins with identical DNA are different? the fact that you can’t answer ANY of the 20 odd questions i have posed to you proves 1. that is far from a proven theory and 2. that the reason you persist in believing when all the evidence points the other way is because you WANT TO BELIEVE it. that is all. you dont like the thought of not being number 1 and having to get on your knees to a god you cant see. extraordinary statements require extraordinary evidence you said, well coming up with a statement like the earth and humans created itself requires some pretty good stuff, nothing like what has been presented. it doesn’t seem to have occurred to you that the fact that NOTHING has EVER evolved in an upwards direction is a HUGE problem, one that cannot be dismissed. this is the whole theory!, yet it’s never been seen, never been proven yet christians believe in absurdity!
you’ve been thoroughly out-debated here and can’t even tell me why death is so painful when according to your religion it is a very normal thing. all you’ve thrown down is standard christian bashing. i have answered your doubts. i hope one day you wake up and smell the roses, it is so obvious.
there is no point in further debating you because you have no answers to anything and it is now obvious its not even about science, you have already decided what you want to believe in and no amount of evidence will sway you. i could put jesus himself in front of you and you’d try to find a way to disprove it. so much for being in a search for truth. why dont you go look up information to the inexplainable holes i’ve presented you and look at the answers with an open mind, not a pre-determined mindset.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Again, you need to understand how science and religion fundamentally differ. First, a restatement: Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. If you don’t get that basic point, you are far lost.
The reason that this is so is that the postulates of science are tested and rejected or revised if they do not fit the evidence. New postulates are made, tested, and so on. That’s part of how science works, and why it is such a powerful tool (for dispelling beliefy nonsense, among other things). In contrast, religion such as Christianity is purely doctrinal; there is a doctrine that has been set forth as “the word of god” and that cannot be subject to change or revision (else the notion of a “god” fails, among many other issues). Most religious people fail to grasp this basic point; you are sadly not alone in your delusions.
Michael, your further lengthy copy and paste spew further underlines your misunderstandings of evolution and science. Again, the mere existence of the hominidae fossil record blows away Christian creation mythology. Furthermore, both the fossil record and DNA are well understood by science, and not at all understood, nor even described in any meaningful or substantial way, by Christian dogma. Introducing DNA and the fossil record into your diatribe weakens your already broken case for your silly sky fairy even further.
Like I’ve said here before, it’s no wonder that Christian creationists will fight tooth and nail to defend their (obviously fictional) stories. Science continues to progress, and to expose the absurdity of religious myths, thereby endangering both the absurd fairy tale blanket that the creationists hold so dear, and the revenue source for the god seller infrastructure.
Religion is ridiculous.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 am
thats all you can come up with?
you didn’t have an answer to any of evolution’s fallacies and there’s plenty more i can bring up. dinosaur tissue and blood, bumblebees flying, photosythensis… scientists have not yet been able to mimic the process of photosynthesis. they remain baffled as to how plants break the water molecule apart, because theoretically the blast of energy required would be more than enough to vapourize the plant itself. the staggering complexity of systems like photosynthesis still far outstrips anything mankind can produce. Yet our culture insists on seeing all this as undesigned, and not the product of intelligence.
The amazing platypus, millions of fish fossils on mountaintops, humans evolving from nothing when not even one genome has EVER been proven to increase in DNA. the miracle of childbirth, incredibly complex animals, many plants are completely dependent on one type of animal or insect. there are many examples in science of this, but I will mention one, the extinct dodo bird. the dodo only survived on an island without predators. when travelers visited the island of Mauritius, cats were also introduced. the dodo soon became extinct. the primary food source of the dodo was the fruit from calvaria tree. after the dodo was extinct, it was soon discovered that these trees quit sprouting. the fruit from these trees contained seeds that were encased in a thick husk that prevents natural germination. when the dodo ate the fruit, his digestive system softened the husk which allowed for germination. evolution cannot explain how the tree evolved being dependent on the dodo and the dodo evolved being dependent on the calvaria tree. how did evolution place both on the same island at the same time with a need for each other?
Horses are closer in DNA to bats, not cows, another example of changing the theory to fit the facts, not the other way round as it should be.
Why are indentical twins with the same DNA totally different?
why is the earth in EXACTLY the only positon it could be in to sustain life on earth? another co incidence i suppose
Vestigial organs? That old chestnut? Have you even done your research? Which one? The appendix, the thyroid, thymus, ever heard of the endochrine system? I can’t believe you bothered to mention that poor evidence.
How do you explain the body’s amazing healing system
Where are the transitional fossils? Even Darwin himself would have given up on evolution if he saw the lack of evidence today. he said back then the lack of them was worrying and nothing has changed
If we are just animals then why can some animals cross breed but humans cannot breed with animals. we’re not seperate or sacred according to you. And if we are just animals why do we get so upset when someone dies. death is normal according to evolution, the bible is the one who calls it “the last enemy”. why get so upset when something normals occurs? on that note why is murder even wrong, isn’t this just natural selection? deep down your heart knows the truth, thats why you get upset. just your head has been brainwashed
look at the current generation of kids, these are the ones brought up on evolutiuon and aren’t they just charming? we teach them they are pond scum and accountable to no one and then wonder why bullying and violence are at all time highs. criminals have more rights than their victims today, students more rights than their teachers. everyone scratches their heads as they miss the fact that kids need a good biblical smack to learn.
It is no accident that science has flowered since the Reformation. and it is no accident that the country with the strongest remnants of Bible-based Christian faith, the USA, leads the world by a mile in the output of useful science. and note that when evolution was largely banned in schools during the alleged scientific nadir between the Scopes Trial and Sputnik, American schools produced more Nobel prizes than the rest of the world combined. in fact, America produced twice as many as all other countries—this was especially pronounced in the biological field (physiology and medicine), supposedly one that can’t do without evolution.
and racism, you want to go there? who are the ones telling everyone that we evolved from apes and that negro’s are only a step up from that? that white man is the most evolved species. how ridiculous is that? and how racist. hitler believed your lies and look what he did with it.
what about the 2 kids at columbine high with “natural selection” on their shirts. quoted as saying they believed they had the right to determine who was fit and who was not. this is what happens when you take this silly belief system and take it to the nth degree. you say there is no accountability, so why would they care? would you prefer to have lived next door to these 2 guys than than your local “religious freak”
i can go on but the point is made. how much more evidence do you require exactly? who’s really deluding themselves here korgan? you havent even bothered to research what you believe in. the originals of the bible are gone yes, but there are 24000 copies of the new testament, written within 60 years of the event, not enough time for legend to accumulate. and when stacked up against the copies of other ancient documents like biographies of ceaser, plato and aristotle which were written millenia after the event and with 10 or fewer copies, there is no comparison. it is genuine.
science is supposed to be a search for the truth no matter what, but its turned into a search for the truth as long as it doesn’t involve God. read the works of josephus flavius, the jewish historian and you can read about jesus, not as a fairytale, but true history, as a doer of miracles. the bible is history, it is not contradictory and it does not contain errors. if you want to find errors go have another look through that science textbook. this is not religion against science, its true science against bad science. carbon dating is a farce. there are way too many assumptions that you probably dont even realise. you cant assume what you set out to prove.
my personal experiences are not for you, not with your attitude. nothing logical will change your mindset obviously. you’ve been silenced. i have answers, you just have mindless ridicule. i was taken extremely close to death to the point where i could smell and taste it and it terrified me. that is not what changed me, after that i challenged my beliefs, the same ones you currently possess, i looked into it myself and realised i’d fallen for a massive lie. i was my own God until i realised there was a God. don’t wait until its too late. you have hatred towards me, i only want to help you and only have love for others. i do not wish to force anyone, but “how can they know if they have not heard” i will continue to unashamedly spread the gospel, of course it is up to the invdividual to accept or reject. we were given that free will from God, He doesn’t want forced love either.
2 Peter 3:3-7 : ‘First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, ‘where is this “coming” he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.’ But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and with water”
romans 1:20 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE”
Don’t try and plead ignorance at judgement day korgan.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
“First, note again that evolution does not require “belief” or faith, nor does science. Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. Evolution is well supported by evidence, and stands up to critical analysis. That same evidence, such as the existence of fossils of precursor hominid species to homo sapiens, vestigial organs, and much more, also directly contradicts your Christian fables. What is your specific response to the existence of this evidence?”
Still using the “science doesn’t take faith” trash again, huh? Everything in this world takes faith to believe in. The facts say that a sturdy, well built chair will hold a person up. What happens if the worlds largest man sits on it? How many times does it need to be said to get through your heads. Science freakin’ changes! You have to *believe* the scientific facts you hold are true. You can never know for sure. The facts said the colecanth was extinct. That incident proved the facts wrong. What about the ancient Hittite race revealed in the Bible? The facts said the Bible was incorrect about the race. Then we found remains of the Hittite race.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am
michael, at least now you acknowledge that your primary reference is not self-consistent and its various versions and translations contain errors, so you are making a little progress. It is also worth noting that the Christian fables are not even original, with many elements having been borrowed from earlier myths. Try now responding specifically to more of what you have been challenged with:
First, note again that evolution does not require “belief” or faith, nor does science. Science is simply and definitively not a belief system. That fundamental point is a key difference between science and the belief-based non-thinking of religion. Evolution is well supported by evidence, and stands up to critical analysis. That same evidence, such as the existence of fossils of precursor hominid species to homo sapiens, vestigial organs, and much more, also directly contradicts your Christian fables. What is your specific response to the existence of this evidence?
Second, again, you are the one who is claiming the existence of a supernatural being with contradictory, outlandish characteristics, so you need to provide evidence for the claims of your particular superstition. The persistence and propagation of a meme does not prove the veracity of its contents, and furthermore, how is it that your god of myth popped its head up 2000 years ago, with nary a peep since then. So, what is your evidence, specifically? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you have presented no such evidence yet.
And third, present actual examples of how your life has been saved by your god, in detail, and explain how your interpretation is not merely confirmation bias, and how other (likely obvious) interpretations must be wrong.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:50 am
Yeah, D, we understand already that you attempt to sell your absurd god-fraud at every opportunity.
Unfortunately for you, your absurd Christian myths have been exposed and laid bare for the fiction that they are. You’ve already been shown repeatedly in earlier discussions that your beliefs are absurd and your god of your myths is a horrible vengeful jerk not worth following, and you have been unable to respond with any substance.
The other thing you are supposed to do according to your religion is not think critically. On that front, you are succeeding in spades.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
May 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
“I think it’s rediculous that people can’t just accept that some people belive in religion and others don’t. Why do be always have to be forcing things down each others throats? I personaly don’t believe in God but I’m not gonna judge anyone who does. Some people need religion in their lives and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as they’re not forcing it on other people. Why can’t anyone see that!”
When I go on visitation, and I meet with someone at their home-
1-I greet them.
2- I invite them to our church, VBS, ect.
3- I say” More importantly, have you trusted Jesus Christ as your personally savior, and do you know where you would go if you passed on today?”
4-If they say no, then I offer to tell them the plan of salvation. “Would you like to know?”
5-If yes, then I tell them and leave a tract with them, which tells them how to get saved, and has directions to our church.
If no, then I ask them If I can leave a tract with them, and I bid them farewell.
Exception- after #2, if they say, “leave me alone right now, and get off my property,” then I say bye and leave as quickly as possible.
We are supposed to preach the Gospel to everyone, but we are not supposed to force it upon anyone. No one can be forced into being a Christian, because they must accept Christ with the willingness of their own hearts.
May 30th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
jagannath i dont really care if santa and the eater bunny are real or not, does it matter? were they raised from the dead, did they do miracles? is their life of much importance? no. they are pagan rituals which have stolen the meaning of both easter and christmas, or Xmas as its now known, we dont even have the deceny of leaving christ in his own birthday celebration. its now just about how many presents you can get and easter how many eggs you can get. great principles. ever wondered why our calender follows the life of jesus christ? just because modern poeple have rejected him doesn’t take away from the fact He made a HUGE impact on the world when he existed, again enough to change history from bc to ad. look at the world we live in, do you enjoy it? a world devoid of the christian morals it was founded upon to now what everyone “does what they feel is right”, a politically correct world where everyone gets upset about something, people get sued for nothing, greed, rape, violence at all time highs, and especially young children now who aren’t allowed a good smack and have no repsect for anyone. great world. if you are so smart and can disprove God then explain to me how photosynthesis works and please replicate it for me seeing as everything can be explained naturally. explain how a bumblebee can fly when scientifically it is impossible. what creature did a playtpus evolve from, seeing as it contains the features of 6 or 7 different animals. share with me your wisdom
May 30th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
but neither of you know for sure there is no God. you cannot rpove what you can’t see. we are both having faith on something we have not seen. you want to see God in the flesh and i say to you show me evolution actually happening, of which no one has ever seen. and i dont mean crappy downwards micro evolution, yes that is possible, but NOTHING can gain new data an NO macro evolution has ever been seen nor will be. there should be millions of these transitional follis, not a handful of dodgy incomplete ones. a few years ago they found dinosaur skin and blood, now how the hell does that last 65 million years? it dooesn’t, so no they are assuming it must have. thats the point. most of the scientists already believe what they are setting out to prove and fit everything in to fit that, no matter what the evidence.
you cant give a good reason why christiainty spread so far so quickly if it was a lie. you try and start a religion based on someone being raised fomr the dead and see how long it lasts. even if you got 500 of your mates to back you up, how long do you think it would last? it would only 1 person to discredit you before the scam comes out. and furthermore if the authorities started torturing you giving you a chance to come clean and expose the lie, if it was a lie i’d say alot of your mates wouldn’t backing you up anymore. the fact they ALL happily died for the cause showed the romans it was actually true. if you saw someone raised from the dead and 2000 years later some bum said nah i dont believe it you wouldn’t care, it still happened. there is no doubt jesus was a true person and that he was a doer of miracles (supernatural) this is undisputed, read up jewish and secular historians if you dont believe me, the only conjecture is if he was the messiah and that he was raised from the dead. LOOK at teh evidence, you are just ignoring the truth.
i’m not going into further detail about my life saving, i know its true, i know the circumstances were way too far to just be a co-incidence. and what is the point, it wouldn’t matter what i say, you won’t believe it anyway. if you cant believe historical and scientific facts that back up the bible, why would believe the testimony of a born again man. if you start believing the truth i’d be happy to elaborate.
the 4 gospels may differ on a few minor details, and remember they were wrirtten 30-60 years after the event, but they all back each other up on the major details. this actually further strengthens their story, if they were all the same word for word you’d be here telling me they all got together and conspired the whole thing. you are not giving me any decent facts, you’re calling me irrational but i’m just giving you facts of which you have no answer for, just standard attacks. i’m happy to debate any scientific facts you may have, i can poke about 100 holes in evolution, it is FAR from a proven fact and this is well known. is just that most scientists dont want to believe in God, they love that there’s a theory that says otherwise and have gotten you to fall for it. there are heaps of scientists who are creationists, yes they are in the minority but that doesn’t make them wrong, it just means its more comfortable to believe in a word without God and without acountability.
here is a link to an independant and non-religious site of where scientists and independant reseachers have signed to say they just can’t beleive in the big bang, it relies on too many “fudge factors”. have a look for yourself
http://www.cosmologystatement.org/
as in the probablity of it happening the way it did is akin to a trillion people standing shoulder to shoulder in the unievrse and all finishing a rubic’s cube at the same time. this is your faith? this is what you call science?
May 30th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Michael, can you give good reason why Santa claus/easter bunny/pink unicorn/Russel’s teapot doesn’t exist and I give you reason why god doesn’t exist.
May 30th, 2009 at 8:44 am
michael,
Evolution does not require “belief” or faith. It is well supported by evidence, and stands up to critical analysis. That same evidence, such as the existence of fossils of precursor hominid species to homo sapiens, vestigial organs, and much more, also directly contradicts your absurd and silly Christian creationist fiction. Your Christian myths of new testament and old, that you have swallowed hook line and sinker, are also not even self-consistent. Without consistency, your aged book of horrors known as the bible is not a reliable reference.
You are the one who is claiming the existence of a supernatural being with contradictory, outlandish characteristics, so you need to provide evidence for the claims of your particular superstition. What is your evidence, specifically?
Furthermore, cite these actual examples of how your life has been saved by your god, in detail, and explain how your interpretation is not merely confirmation bias, and how other (likely obvious) interpretations must be wrong.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
May 29th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
clever korgan, but you still haven’t given me a good reason why God doesn’t exist. i have seem Him answer my prayers and have seen my life be saved 3 times, i am in debt to Him. i used to laugh, now i fear and revere. religion is a trick from the devil, religion itself is not what saves, yes there are thousands of untrue relgions made up from man and they all differ to christianity in that chrisitanity is the only “religion” as you put it that teaches that Jesus was the messiah and rose from the dead. other religions have grown because people like some the rules they come up with, and its true, some do encourage good things, but the rest is rubbish. if jesus didn’t rise from the dead, it would have gone down as a farytale and died. just because 2000 years later people who weren’t there want to laugh at it and be smart arses doesn’t mean its not true. the new testament is the most historically attested work of the ancient world, if you dont believe that than you can’t believe anything from the ancient world. as for evolution, it demands thousands more answers than the ones i’m sure you’ll give as to why God doesn’t exist. we can’t understand God. if we did, He wouldn’t be worthy of our worship would He. if He was visible, of course everyone would believe, but what good is that? He wants us to have faith and see the evidence everyhwere, of which there is heaps. you have to have way more faith to believe in evolution than Jesus. we all have faith in something.
May 29th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
michael, you are now commanded to toss away your silly Jeebus fairy tale and to begin worshiping a real god, His Great Noodliness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who is both more factual and more victual than Jesus. His Noodliness is true and He will touch your life you just want to share with everyone that they may be touched too. i know you probably won’t understand as His Noodliness hasn’t touched your life yet obviously. We understand your frustrations, but search for Pasta and you will find it and be filled by it. The early Pastafarian who saw his noodliness obviously did see Him. Would you let yourself be famished? Pastafarianism makes scents.
Christianity spread for the same reason other myths have spread; it is a readily propagating meme, but it is not truth. Many myths that conflict with Christianity, such as Islam, Judaism, and Bhuddism, also still persist, and some are growing, but that does not make them true either. michael, I urge you to read about the Flying Spaghetti Monster at http://venganza.org, or better yet, read a modern science textbook and reach an understanding of why your Christian religion is utter and complete bunk. Go for pasta.
Religion is for the gullible, the ignorant, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
May 29th, 2009 at 6:57 am
brother, we have been commanded to by Jesus. “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature” do you think its fun getting laughed at and mocked and ridiculed for it, don’t you think i’d rather not? but when you finally figure out God is true and He has touched your life you just want to share with everyone that they may be saved to. i know you probably won’t understand as God hasn’t touched your life yet obviously. i used to be on your side, i understand your frustrations, but search for God and you will find Him and be amazed. the early christians who saw him resurrected obviously did see Him, would you let yourself be tortured for something you knew to be a lie? it makes no sense. christianity spread for a reason. if they were lying it would have died out very quickly, letalone grown over the next 2 millenia. it was siginificant enough for our calender to change from bc to ad. no malice here at all, i urge you to find God for yourself. go in peace.
May 16th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I think it’s rediculous that people can’t just accept that some people belive in religion and others don’t. Why do be always have to be forcing things down each others throats? I personaly don’t believe in God but I’m not gonna judge anyone who does. Some people need religion in their lives and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as they’re not forcing it on other people. Why can’t anyone see that!
May 11th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
What an amusing read!
I find it extremely amusing the fact that there are people out there in this day and age that still don’t believe in evolution! What humors me even more is they believe in science, but not all science? (In order to be using your computer you must.)
The foundations of our societies and the way we live are all a result of science, not God.
A few questions for christians:
If I were to tell you I am ‘Jesus’ reincarnated, would you believe me? If not, why not and why do you believe that ‘Jesus’ was but I am an imposter?
If Adam and Eve where the first humans alive, how do we have a multi-racial world? How was there ever more than them and their children if incest is a sin?
And finally, Why are humans only subject to sin and not any other species of animal? Why should only us humans suffer the burden?
Regards,
Adam.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:52 am
One Blood
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Cain’s wife
http://creation.com/one-blood-chapter-1-cain-s-wife
May 11th, 2009 at 7:41 am
This ones hard to swallow(not like a preist with a young boy)Back in the day(the time you try to shove down our throats) brother and sister could marry and so could first cousins,thats sick,and your religion will not let gays marry,that make no sense. Also I was raised Roman Catholic until I got older and realized how fake these people are,take away thier “tax free” statis and thier collections and see what happens.They are a busness not a religion.How do you know god’s been here all the time ,have you been around since the begining?Also I’m an Atheist with Satanic views sorta like conservitive republican just in the opposite way.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
The farther you study back in history, the more you can see the marriage of brothers and sisters become common. Just back in Shakespear’s days, cousins were able to marry each other.
Because God said so.
There are no fossils because God Almighty changed their bodies immediately to have the required functions to be carnivorous organisms.
I trust Ally with my heart, as Ally is a fellow Believer in Christ. Not a “thing”. Well, I choose logic. Actually, let me make it clearer. I choose God’s non-fantasy, spiritual, facts. They are stated rock solid in the Bible.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
“The human blood line was purer, which meant that the babies that were born had no deformities resulting from the related mother and father’s reproductions.”
And you know this how?
And how do you know that at one time carnivores had herbivore’s teeth? Do you have a fossil? After all, you brain dead types are always insisting evolution can’t be true because there is not a fossil for every single second of the transitions, so where’s yours, moron? Really point to one single piece of physical evidence that that was true. You’ve said it’s logical (or maybe it was that alley thing that said it) to assume that but you reject logic when it conflicts with your myths, so which is going to be? Logic rules or fantasy rules? You don;t get both.
May 10th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Jagganath, here’s your verse.
Revelation 20:2-
“And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.”
May 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Not true NATAS. I was raised in a good, Godly home, believing in Christ ,so yes for me. But, many Christians believed in Christ later in life. I have a couple of old friends from my Christian school who lived in homes that were against God. They changed, began coming to the school, and eventually their parents got saved through the Blood of Christ also.
Nope. God wouldn’t tell me too, as he does not speak in an audible voice to anyone anymore, since the scripture is his word to us. He told Abram to sacrifice his son, but just to try his faith. As he does not speak audibly, he has other means of testing us.
God has always been. He has no beginning or end.
God created the dinosaurs, as last time I heard, they were still animals.
Marriage between brothers and sisters was not uncommon way back then. The human blood line was purer, which meant that the babies that were born had no deformities resulting from the related mother and father’s reproductions.
Well, even though satan is an evil being, at least if you believe in satanism, you acknowledge that there is a God and a defiler(Satan). It’s a start. Do not think I am promoting satanism, as it is moronic to worship a creation more than a Creator. And a wicked devil at that.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Korgan, I see you’ve been here from the begining and I feel the same way. Trying to talk to these religious nuts is like talking to an extremist strapped with a bomb and telling him not to push the button. They’ve been brainwashed since childbirth.
May 10th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
If god told you to jump of a bridge would you? Who created god? Was god around when the dinosaurs were? So if adam and eve were first ,that would mean alot of inbreading and insest, that’s a pretty sick thing for your god to do. What web sights do you bible brainwashers use I want to go there and promote SATANISM. That would be fair.
May 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Why doesn’t he do away with the devil?He will do away with Satan. Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire.
May 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Hey jagannath! you should get a concordance! It’ll help you, you know! :)
http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/JoeCrewsRadioSermons/tabid/90/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/423/MDID/1794/PID/767/SID/4/SQT/1000/7/Great-Controversy/Default.aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/BibleStudies/StudyGuides/tabid/105/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/453/IID/2-2/LNG/en/SC/R/Default.aspx?7=Did-God-Create-the-Devil?
Seriously jagannath, please answer this question “honestly”; do you really think this world is “evolving” and is getting better and better?
May 10th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Where in the bible it says that serpent of eden is satan, where it says satan is devil?
May 9th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
So why is it that your “omnipotent” Christian “god” is not capable of doing away with “Satan”? (Can’t you see the contradiction in what you are presenting?)
Big Hint: the answer is that your god as described in your absurd and horrific fairy tale known as the bible simply does not exist.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
May 9th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Ten deaths? Satan is the one who tricked Adam into eating the fruit, therefore dooming the entire population of men. I don’t know how many people have inhabited the earth since it was created, but I’m guessing it was more than 2,270,365(Seeing that there are more alive than that number right now).
Did you call Believers Bible thumpers!?! I thank you for your compliment. That is one of the best names a Christian can be called. We take that name to mean that we read our Bibles through well with vigor. I’ll tell you right now, D. needs to study and read his Bible more often than he does.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
But to be fair;
Satan did only what god commanded.
May 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
This just shows how orginized religion is brainwashing the masses.I’ll leave you with this blog I’ve read:Blogger Steve Wells has counted the # of people killed in the Bible.God takes the lives of 2,270,365(not including the victims of Noah’s flood,Sodom and Gomorrah,and the many plagues and famines,ect)SATAN is responsible for only 10 deaths,those of Job’s 7 sons and 3 daughters.Explain that Bible thumpers!!!!
May 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
What religion offers? I am curious.
May 2nd, 2009 at 10:07 am
Um, Korgan? I think you must take a closer look at religion. It’s not always what it seems. There could be something that might interest you. Just take a peek.
“Don’t judge a book by its cover.”
April 16th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Christianity and islam share the same creed allowing you to just brush off any opinion or comment which makes your beliefs seem invalid, god has made them to ignore your words. For a god who loves all, it seems quite petty to purposefully make sure people will go to hell according your faith.
But there is a saying in yiddish which seems to be suitable for the occasion
You are kneeling, prostrating in front of a concept which has been used to do deeds, which make you deny being part of christianity. Is that not quite telling thing about the value of christianity, even in your mind? The adherents find other adherents repulsive like different sides of magnets, yet both are magnets.
It might hurt to acknowledge that one has perhaps followed tenets of a religion because one was born into the religion. One might have even chosen it for reasons which were at that moment good. But as time goes by and need to distance oneself from the main group rises it might be time to consider if you follow religion without actually believing in it? One can be good without fear.
Life is a process, one makes mistakes but also new choices and hopefully for better.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
penny, that was a vapid post that you just made. It is very apparent that it is you, not I, who cannot understand the very evil doctrine that you take as guidance.
The evil and the nonsense of your religion has been laid bare in front of you, and it is apparent that you have no rebuttal to what has been presented.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
shine jesus shine ; there will be those who will not be reached. the man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of god, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned…
April 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
It is not that simplistic to separate one self from the flock. Your personal experience in itself ties you into the rest of the christians
via the same path of accepting jesus the collective christianity weights on you. Making any claims to distance you and the main group is in my opinion an exercise of vocalizing some inner turmoil in regards some aspect of your faith.
Unless you are merely using the fallacy known as ‘no true scotsman’, which is apparently making rounds once more.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:05 am
penny, it should be pretty obvious to you from references already posted here that the bible prescribes some pretty horrific and hateful behaviors, right alongside the “love thy neighbour stuff”, the latter being a derivative of better sources for morality that are older than your religion anyway. You are reading the bible through some pretty selective glasses and giving credit to Christianity that it doesn’t deserve, whereas the reality is that your myth god is undeniably vengeful and pretty despicable.
I get the impression from your posts that you really don’t know the document very well that you base your life guidance on. Furthermore, The sorry record of Christian horrors throughout history, such as in the crusades, the inquisitions, and witch burning and more, also isn’t something that should be viewed favorably. You would be better looking to the Pastafarians for guidance on peaceful living and better eating.
RAmen.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
personally i think it is wrong for a follower of christ to act out like some have here. it is not about push ” religion on the unbelieving its is not about threats, it is about love and hope and helping those who are needy in christ name. it is about planting a seed and then given it to god. and jag to answer your questions, do i think everyone should be converted to christianity, i believe that to get to heaven that you have to believe jesus is the way the truth and the life,so i pray that everyone would see the truth, yes. ummm i also believe that the bible is the word of god told to men through the holy spirit…. and i am sorry i cant remember your last question. anyway i love the lord and i love my neighbor, and i press on to be more like christ, he is the real hero here.oh and jag i am not putting up a smokescreen when i say i am not about religion : religion and relationship are 2 very different things
April 15th, 2009 at 5:17 am
How often have the ‘jesus loves you’ crowd also depicted what happens if one does not accept jesus? The moment you tell of the alternatives, you are threatening people.
So do you still find it odd that people who are threatened are not reacting positively?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
We will stop being mean when we can go a whole day without having the Christian message rubbed in our face in any capacity. We are sick of it. We are tired of it. We will rage against it.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Isn’t it interesting that you Christianity and religion haters keep spewing religious hatred while the Christians are still wishing you love in the name of Jesus Christ.
Stop being so mean.
April 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Yeehaaa, drive-by-posting down the intertubes, pass me the shellfish and help the god.
Dooh, well this is a reply to 220, I was too slow.
April 11th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
You can fire away with all the insults that you like, but the violence of both testaments of the bible is now thoroughly documented. Unless you can refute every one of the points of violence of your god in that link, you have no argument, and your sky fairy god remains conclusively a vengeful, violent (and fortunately mythical) jerk.
In regard to evolution, the evidence for evolution is now overwhelming, from the fossil record to the many evolutionary remnants in your own body. This evidence utterly contradicts Christian fiction. Evolution has also been conclusively observed in fast-breeding species. You are merely either too weak to accept that your sky crane story is fiction, or too stupid to understand the case for evolution (or both).
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
April 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Ok after reading these posts I have come to one conclusion. Korgan is an absolute idiot. The Bible is violent and racist? LOL. You are just like every other idiot that likes to attempt to prove something wrong. Except for the simple fact that Being gay is wrong and it is a sin. And yes The Jews were God’s chosen people. And hmmm. Oh yeah there are a lot of wars described in the Bible along with the things that will happen in Revelations. God is just telling how idiots like you will be dealt with. You are just an idiotic human with no understanding of anything other than what is in front of you. God is very real and so is Heaven and Hell. If I were you I would chose the one without the fire. Stop being so stupid! We didn’t evolve we were created. Plain and simple. So say whatever else you want, other people may feel the need to argue with you. But I’ve said what I wanted to say and there’s no need for anything more. You’re wrong! Very very wrong and it’s borderline amusing! Take Care Retard..
April 9th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
[...] Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth about 2,000 years ago. Jesus probably thought of it as “Not-So-Good-Friday” though. I saw that Mel Gibson movie, “The Last Brutal Beating Passion of the [...]
April 7th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Raid,
This is not my debate but it just jumps up to the forefront and makes me to appreciate the irony of your words.
That statement is also hilarious as you do know this is not a site by religious people for religious people? I believe your actions in itself are contrary to your statement about minding your own business.
If you did not know the origins of the site, then you could just admit your error?
But I still have to throw this tidbit in, how one can hate the non-existence?
Organized religions on the other hand have proven to be abhorrent institutions on more than one occasion by word and deed. Or can you prove otherwise?
Or even explain why do you need an organized man-made religion to believe in a god?
April 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Raid, the evils of your religion have already been well documented here. There seems nothing for you to contest in that regard.
Religion is ridiculous.
April 7th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Korgan
My religion is live and let live and minding my own business, if you want to follow a god follow him/her/it, if you don’t, don’t. Neither makes you a better person over the other. Hitler thought what he was doing was right and reasonable. Get some help.
April 7th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Raid, unfortunately, the negative impact of religion on the world is reason enough to oppose religion and point out its absurdities wherever they arise. That is not hatred; opposition to religion is demonostrably the right and reasonable thing to do. It is your own religion that is clearly hateful, among its many ills.
Religion is ridiculous.
April 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
With regard to post “Man crucifies himself every good Friday” I do not think it is of God. God does not and did “NOT” ask us to do things like that. In fact it is a sin to do so; it’s equivalent to the temptation Jesus faced from Satan
Matthew 4:6-7 (King James Version)
” 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”
What a lot of people tend to NOT understand is that the devil is extremely powerful and in the case with that man’s wife, the devil may have caused the difficult pregnancy. The devil knew that Rolando was susceptible to being deceived, he most likely impressed Rolando to make that pact and when Rolando actually did make that pact he did not bother to harm the child. And yes, God can miraculously heal people but not with such silly pacts, a prayer would have sufficed and if it was God’s will to allow the child to live then he would have allowed the baby to live. Satan spies on us all the time and he knows our weaknesses and maybe he knows that that man was ripe for deception and if Rolando was more familiar with the bible he would know that the bible says we should not be dare devils. Sooooo, not only is Satan deceiving Rolando but he’s also deceiving myriads of other people who believe Rolando is actually doing something pleasing to God.
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Gasmonso had asked this question?
“Now I know that some of my Christian readers believe that Jesus has the power to help people. What I would like to know is why does he help a few and let millions of others die? Do you truly believe that God plays a role in who lives and who dies? I’m truly interested in hearing your thoughts so please contribute them.”
The answer to this is that ultimately nothing ever happens without God allowing it to happen and before atheists (not that there are any real atheists, EVERYBODY knows there is a God; it’s just that they want to ignore Him and hope by pretending He does not exist it might actually come true, TOUGH CHANCE, HE’S THERE!!!!!!) start fuming please hear me out. God is omniscient and God is love, anybody or any being who separates themselves from Him ultimately becomes evil. God’s character is defined by His law and when that law is transgressed sin and evil is the result. This is what happened and is still happening now.
Love requires “choice” God says in Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
If you love someone you would want to please them, so if someone says they love God they would obey Him (because God is love and He is omniscient).
When people disobey God, death occurs and the bible states this:-
John 3:16 (King James Version)
” 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
God is “LIFE” and God is “LOVE” and apart from Him there is death and hate. The devil and 1/3 of the angels made up their minds that they wanted life apart from God. God gives all intelligent beings “free will” so since they did not want Him He will give them their wish.Hell (Which does NOT exist yet!) is not meant for humans it was meant for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 25:41 (Whole Chapter)
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ”
If any human ends up there, it will be because of their OWN CHOICE; because Jesus through His grace,paid the penalty for “ALL HUMANS” to escape eternal death. However, love never, ever forces so if someone does not love God and want to be with Him, He grants them that choice. These beings, including the devil and his angels will eventually go back to “nothingness”; after they haved received their punishment “according to their works” (how much evil they did) of course.
GOD CANNOT OVERLOOK SIN!!!!!!! Atheists are always complaining about the evil in this world and it happens because created beings thought that they knew and know more than the Omniscient One and they wanted to do what was right in their own eyes. That’s why we’re in this mess!!!!! those beings broke God’s law and as a result they jeopardized the lives of ALL created beings.Before the atheists ask their usual question of “If God for knew about Satan and Adam and Eve sinning why did He create them? please look at this book :-
http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC
That gentleman gave a phenomenal explanation.
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Another gentleman explains it like this:-
” Why didn’t God overlook that one sin? Simply because God’s laws are inflexible and they cannot be violated with impunity. God has tried to impress that truth on men right down through the centuries” <—— The “one sin” he’s talking about was Adam and Eve’s!
“He is very particular because the character of God in man is of the very utmost importance and the happiness of every man depends upon this character of God being reproduced in him. And this comes only by obedience.”
Divine LOVE requires having divine JUSTICE!!!!! So God’s Justice is still for our protection!
Here’s an example:-
“In the state of Washington a law was passed taxing retail sales of gasoline but the Legislature slipped up on one important little thing. It failed to attach a penalty for violation of the law. Dealers began collecting the small tax but when they discovered the error in the law they refused to comply with it, and the Legislature had to be called back in a special session to attach a penalty to the violation of the tax law and thus make it effective. ”
If our society has no rules at all (seems to me that’s the goal of atheists, well, a lot of them), we will have anarchy. Without laws it is possible for humans to make our race to become “extinct” and God knows this that’s why He governs the universe with His laws, which are Just and Holy and true.
Someone wrote this “Disobedience is often punished by God’s permitting transgressions to produce their natural consequences.”
Proverbs 1:29-31 (King James Version)
29For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
For the “atheists” that say that why would God allow people, whether supposedly innocent or not, to suffer? Read the above “again” and ATHEISTS keep missing the big picture!!!! This life is not it, it just prepares us for the life to come and ULTIMATELY every single life is in God’s hands AND, God can resurrect people!!!!
In Mark chapter 5, Jesus clearly shows this by giving us a lesson and people are generally soooooo dense they just don’t get it!
Mark 5:25
And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mark 5:24-26 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter)
The lesson to be learned from this story is simply this, God has “life” in His hands!!!! Jesus was on His way to heal a sick child and on His way to do so, a woman with a disease (which was not as dire an emergency as the child’s disease) detained Him and the child ended up dying.When Jesus said that the child is “asleep” the people practically guffawed. They just didn’t get it; He “IS” the resurrection and the life.
I heard someone compare it like this:-
What if you had a doctor who had 2 patients and one had a teeny tiny splinter and the other had a serious life threatening wound and the doctor went to take out the splinter before he attended the more crucial case. If that patient died, that doctor would be sued for negligence or something or maybe arrested who knows?! The point is, Jesus is NOT mortal and death is a “sleep” for those who love, believe in and therefore obey God.God will eventually resurrect these people(So yeah they’re not in heaven yet; they’re in the graves asleep. Also, hell does NOT exist yet and it will be temporary and purgatory is a myth, stolen from Greek mythology and who knows who the Greeks stole that “myth” from.) Ultimately ALL lies come from the devil and humans “choose” to participate in it!
April 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Korgan
You hate God, religion, and people that follow it. Got it, move along. Why is it not okay for people to follow and believe in something that gives them hope and comfort (whether its true or a complete hoax) but okay for you to find the whole concept distasteful and repulsive? Seems to me like its none of your business if people believe in God and want to follow him, just like its none of their business if you believe in ET and the purple people eater. Your obsession and hatred with the whole thing is disturbing, almost fascist. Find a new hobby.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Matt, you get an epic fail both on your post, and on your chosen occupation.
First, as already noted, the new testament is as vile and violent and the old one. In your statements, you are actually acknowledging that your god did get it wrong the first time around, which is in fact blasphemous according to your own absurd faith.
Furthermore, the beliefs of your religion are utterly and completely absurd. Exactly how is it that your purportedly perfect and omnipotent sky fairy made so many mistakes, not only with its testaments, but with such flawed beings that it purportedly is responsible for “creating”? (The overwhelming body of evidence for evolution also simply blows away your creation fable anyway.) It is simply ridiculous that a being with such purported powers could not merely do away with what it regards as “sin” without all the theatrics of the Christ story.
Finally, the sexism, violence, as well as the homophobia of your doctrine, and all the evil that Christianity has wrought throughout history, through inquisitions and crusades and much more, mean that you doctrine is not one that should be sustained or promoted.
You are living a life of promoting a harmful superstition that should have been abandoned long ago. Shame on you and your occupation. You evil bastard. May the belief in your shameful set of tales rapidly decline (as it apparently is).
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
I would just like to respond to a few comments made by other users on here. Firstly, I cannot understand how the Bible can be seen as violent. All the “horrible” things that happened in the Old Testament were part of God’s wrath, and righteous judgement of HIS people. Just as a father would discipline his child so did God discipline His children when they disobeyed Him and lived sinfully. The violence, if you can even call it that, is really what we all deserve. We are an immoral, ungrateful, lying, theiving, blaspheming, lustful, greedy group of people. All of humanity deserved to die in the flood, or be burned by fire from heaven in Sodom and Gommorah but God, in His infinite grace and mercy that is beyond all human understanding decided that He was not going to give us what our sins deserved but give us what we did not and still do not deserve, eternal life through Jesus Christ. God, again in his mercy, entered human flesh, faced all the temptation that man faces, was blameless but experienced the sinfulness of the world, was arrested, beaten, stripped of his clothes, mocked, and nailed to a tree where he died in our place. On the third day, Jesus Christ stirred himself from the sleep of death and passed through the walls of the tomb, and then ascended in to Heaven to justify our salvation!
Secondly, I completely agree with people who respond to the so-called violence in the Bible by saying “that was the Old Testament.” This is so very true! And no, the perfect all-knowing God was not wrong the first time, just He changed the rules of the game. In the Old Testament, salvation was based on offerings, observances of holy days, and personal sacrifice, if you failed to obey these rules, you did not merit your salvation. But, in about 4BC the rules changed, you see a baby was born in Bethlehem without an earthly father because His Father was God, the Almighty Creator the Universe. 33 years later He became our Offering and our Sacrifice.
Lastly, criticizing the Bible as being homophobic just reflects how lost in immoral behavior this generation has become. Homosexuality is a sin, plain and simple, but it is no more of a sin than lying, stealing, and no less of a sin than murder and adultery. All sin is completely equal and if you commit one you have committed them all. But the Good News is that Jesus Christ has washed us clean of our sin and that we can be found blameless in the sight of God.
I pray that those who read this would be blessed by my Father in heaven. If you have any questions or comments about my beliefs or how to recieve the gift of eternal life through the Son of God, feel free to contact me: matbow2004@yahoo.com
To my God, Jesus Christ the Savior of All the World, be the glory, FOREVER!
Matt
Assistant Youth Minister
Bethel Baptist Church-College Station
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Tim,
It is not merely hard, but actually impossible, to make any sense of Christianity. There is no sense there to be had, in the Christian myth.
As for god’s incredible love, that’s not a credible conclusion; the Christian god, as noted previously, and as presented by the bible, can only be concluded to be horribly violent and spiteful (and fictitious).
There seems to be no limit to which believers will attempt to stretch their myths to fit an unyielding reality and reason. Alas.
Religion is ridiculous.
April 2nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Well, the only way that I can make sense of the crucifixtion of Christ is to understand that the people of that day wrote in parables, illustrating points they wanted people to understand. So God, in order to demonstrate his love, gave his only son to suffer and die for our trangressions. This sacrifice is one that any parent could understand as an ultimate sacrifice. It is a sacrifice greater than even giving one’s own life. Was it necessary? Hmmm, I don’t know but it certainly demonstrated the point of God’s incredible love for us that he would forgive us our sins in this way. If it were up to me… well, thank goodness it wasn’t.
March 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Ugg. More Christian bafflegab about the crucifixion. It’s remarkable that anyone buys into this nonsense.
So, again, you are talking about a purportedly all-powerful being here, this “god” of your myth. Again, why couldn’t it just do away with sin, and not even need to have its “son” suffer. Was your god not powerful enough to make that happen? For that matter, how was “suffering” not avoidable entirely for this purportedly divine and similarly omnipotent Christ thing? Again, rather a weak (and purely fictitious) excuse for a god that you have there, Christian lemming.
The absurdity of Christian beliefs never ceases to amaze.
Religion is ridiculous.
March 31st, 2009 at 2:30 pm
jesus died for everyones sins. He paid the price for us. We are the ones who are supposed to be nailed on the cross. but jesus died for all of us so we do not have to die. his love for us saved us.
March 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Hyrocket, it’s really time that you stopped spewing your same old repetitive jeebus CRAP. It’s sickening and annoying, and it gets in the way.
The new testament is as hateful, vile and violent as the the old one, so don’t try that “oh, that was just the old testament” bullshit here. And again, how is it that your “perfect” god got it wrong the first time?
It’s high time that you woke up to the fact that your beliefs are utter nonsense. The vicious and vengeful acts and doctrine that your vile bible describes and prescribes, both new testament and old, are not those that could reasonably be sourced from a merciful god. They are of a criminally violent, and fortunately fictitious, deity.
Religion is for the stupid and the gullible, and those who would profit from them.
March 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Shalom in Jesus Christ. I’m pointing at YOU!
Korgan you said, “Gruesome, indeed, that bible. What an evil document. I sure don’t want “blessings” from such a vengeful God.”
Hello Korgan, I love the passion you have. Should I hate you for that?! I say No. I understand the lacking of such thinking and the lacking of the Holiness of OUR God. In a way you just describe the world we live past and present. You have stated such gruesomeness that is the bible and to deny such things of the old testament would make me a liar. Such things you talk about were given warnings of such wrath of God that would be upon them if did not obey or heed the request of God.
I call this a righteous judgment or righteous anger to them, us if we disobey the Word of God. “the wages of sin is death”
Korgan, You must gotten mad or upset of an offense which disgust you, that is in your eyes a righteous anger?
When you belong to God, you belong to Him and I am grateful that my God is a righteous God even to thy enemies. In psalm 136 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:
I do agree that OUR God has mercy the endureth forever and even unto us sinners. It is so wonderful that death will be upon them deny the Sovereign of OUR Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for He is Sovereign over everything and dominion over every living that moveth upon the earth hmmm.
What a powerful God we have Korgan. He came to save us with His power to destroy Satan that blinds His Mighty Power over every thing.
I present you POWER in Luke 22, vs 63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.
And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.
Matt 27:25 the people of we speak of Then answered all the people, and said, His(Jesus The Christ) blood be on us, and on our children.
My God, My Father Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ - The most powerful who comes to destroy- that’s right DESTROY the sins of men… I bow before my LORD for He is the Ruler of my heart for death will be upon them that reject Our Sovereign God.
<bAnd after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
The Power of the Cross for there you’ll find my sins. I say repent and crucify your sins for HE is faithful and Just to forgiven our sins
Since I am point at you, I have three fingers pointing back at me so it looks like I got my work cut-out.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Charles,
It’s shocking to me that Christians such as yourself take the bible as a moral guide, when its guidance is so horrifically violent, vengeful, racist, and homophobic.
Just to cite a couple of examples from hundreds, we have:
“Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.–Ezekiel 23:34″
and a god that wants to “”smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.” –Exodus
How can you possibly take evil crap like that as moral guidance? The bible is chock full of other similarly violent horrors, too.
Gruesome, indeed, that bible. What an evil document. I sure don’t want “blessings” from such a vengeful asshole of a god.
Religion is ridiculous.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
This is indeed very hard to watch. Yet, even as gruesome as it is, and it is most assuredly very gruesome, it still pales in comparison to the gospel’s portrayal of the crucifixion. Even Mel Gibson’s Passion probably failed in several ways to convey the pain those ancient criminals, as well as Jesus, went through when they were crucified. As a Christian, I personally do not believe what you are seeing conveys the essence of the Christian faith, and it is certainly not necessary for salvation. However, I will be the last one to condemn him since his choice is between him and God. Christian faith is a mystery that is unique to us all.
To respond to MarcDLS’ comment, I agree with him that all men are flawed, as well as the men who wrote the Bible. AND he is indeed right, to a small extent, when he claims that Christians should not believe that the Bible is perfect in every way. Scientifically and historically, the Bible can only be as accurate as the insights of those men, and more specifically the insights and knowledge of the civilization in which they lived. However, as a book on morality and faith, the Bible is indeed perfect. Christ has redeemed us and set us free from the bonds of sin. How we use that freedom is up to us, God is has given us a guidebook, we just need to read and heed.
God Bless You All!
March 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
This absolutely sickens me, it is not something beautiful or faith inspiring in anyway. I am a Christian but i no longer am sure of what i believe when it comes to healings and miracles.
Yes i believe Jesus died on a cross and rose again, i believe it was to restore relationship between people, God and creation. I don’t think sin is breaking a rule (most of which we create ourselves) but rather to disobey God.
Now about healings and miricales. In God giving us freedom of will there are many prayers that will therefore go unanswered, otherwise God is interferring with the freedom he has given people. And in terms of healing of the sick, i am unsure i have seen healings but they are not common, why God heals some and not others i don’t know but i think it might have a lot to do with not interfering with the freewill we have and living in consequence the human race has done to bring about different illness and diseases
March 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I find it intriguing that Josh admits that humans are flawed yet ignore that fact the Bible was written by men. If men are flawed, then the Bible is flawed. If the Bible is flawed then his view of what God is is flawed. If his view of God is flawed then what he considers to be a Christian is flawed. Considering he himself, as a human, is flawed, as a human and a Christian is he twice flawed.