Comments on: Homer Proves God Doesn’t Exist http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/ Have faith in yourself Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:34:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95409 sidfaiwu Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:55:31 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95409 Hey that dude, Your scenario presupposes the impossibility of self-created entities. The creator of the universe or one of its meta-creators may be self-caused. The other possibility is that not all things require a creator. The universe may have an infinite past. The last possibility is a loop of creators. The universe may ultimately create God who, recognizing Its own improbably, goes back in time to create the universe in such a way that It will be the inevitable result. None of this, of course, gets us any closer to new knowledge, but they are fun things to think about at the very least. Hey that dude,

Your scenario presupposes the impossibility of self-created entities. The creator of the universe or one of its meta-creators may be self-caused. The other possibility is that not all things require a creator. The universe may have an infinite past. The last possibility is a loop of creators. The universe may ultimately create God who, recognizing Its own improbably, goes back in time to create the universe in such a way that It will be the inevitable result.

None of this, of course, gets us any closer to new knowledge, but they are fun things to think about at the very least.

]]> By: alcari http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95354 alcari Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:05:14 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95354 turtles upon turtles :P turtles upon turtles :P

]]> By: that dude http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95258 that dude Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:51:11 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-95258 im gonna give your heads a rattle and propose two theories 1. God has a creator, if every creation has a creator that god must also have one, or we can ignore that fact for our own personal benefit 2. Theres more than one god/creator im gonna give your heads a rattle and propose two theories

1. God has a creator, if every creation has a creator that god must also have one, or we can ignore that fact for our own personal benefit

2. Theres more than one god/creator

]]> By: Jamie Willows http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17201 Jamie Willows Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:04:16 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17201 Umm actually it was proven a few years ago we use about 90%+ of our brain :) that whole 10% thing is just a myth... So I guess he goofed on that one, but everyone makes mistakes :D except me... and ummm god? :P Cheers Umm actually it was proven a few years ago we use about 90%+ of our brain :) that whole 10% thing is just a myth…

So I guess he goofed on that one, but everyone makes mistakes :D

except me… and ummm god?

:P

Cheers

]]> By: boris http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17190 boris Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:33:16 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17190 @Muslim Teen i was under the impression muslims weren't allowed to drink alcohol. guess i was wrong. "should not kill elderly, woman, children, un-armed enemies" so not only are you a bunch of drunks, you can't even follow your own prophet. niceeee. "One thing you probably never knew was that he was illiterate" oh, i could have guessed. certainly explains a few things. that much nonsense in a written text is only challenged my the our own most holy bible. "So the people who destroy cities buliding and kill innocents, are not following the words of the prohet" so who is? anyone? didn't think so. "as well as plants and treees" oh THAT makes complete sense. "Have u ever thought why we use only 10% of our brain, well the prophet muhamed explained this over 1400 years ago" quote? illiterate brain surgeon. this is getting better. lay off the booze, ok? leave it for the experts. @Muslim Teen

i was under the impression muslims weren’t allowed to drink alcohol. guess i was wrong.

“should not kill elderly, woman, children, un-armed enemies”

so not only are you a bunch of drunks, you can’t even follow your own prophet. niceeee.

“One thing you probably never knew was that he was illiterate”

oh, i could have guessed. certainly explains a few things. that much nonsense in a written text is only challenged my the our own most holy bible.

“So the people who destroy cities buliding and kill innocents, are not following the words of the prohet”

so who is? anyone? didn’t think so.

“as well as plants and treees”

oh THAT makes complete sense.

“Have u ever thought why we use only 10% of our brain, well the prophet muhamed explained this over 1400 years ago”

quote? illiterate brain surgeon. this is getting better.

lay off the booze, ok? leave it for the experts.

]]> By: Muslim Teen http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17184 Muslim Teen Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:22:42 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17184 One more things, the most influencial human EVER was Prophet Muhamed, before you say its just an Arab, please, just research five minutes and you'l find that there is more to him. One thing you probably never knew was that he was illiterate [ so do not compare him to other phylosophers]. By the way, muslims are not terrorists, its like saying there is that some-one in Australia murders a couple of people, not all Australians would be terrorist. THe prophet used to say before the Battle of Badr and Uhud [search on it at google/yahoo] that muslims should not kill elderly, woman, children, un-armed enemies (even in battle) as well as plants and treees. So the people who destroy cities buliding and kill innocents, are not following the words of the prohet { who was illiterate AND the most influencial man ever }. i kNow i am rambling on bnut thanx for reading. By the way 1+1=2 exists because god gave us the knowledge. Have u ever thought why we use only 10% of our brain, well the prophet muhamed explained this over 1400 years ago, how, well it can only mean that these words are from god. One more things, the most influencial human EVER was Prophet Muhamed, before you say its just an Arab, please, just research five minutes and you’l find that there is more to him. One thing you probably never knew was that he was illiterate [ so do not compare him to other phylosophers]. By the way, muslims are not terrorists, its like saying there is that some-one in Australia murders a couple of people, not all Australians would be terrorist. THe prophet used to say before the Battle of Badr and Uhud [search on it at google/yahoo] that muslims should not kill elderly, woman, children, un-armed enemies (even in battle) as well as plants and treees. So the people who destroy cities buliding and kill innocents, are not following the words of the prohet { who was illiterate AND the most influencial man ever }.
i kNow i am rambling on bnut thanx for reading. By the way 1+1=2 exists because god gave us the knowledge. Have u ever thought why we use only 10% of our brain, well the prophet muhamed explained this over 1400 years ago, how, well it can only mean that these words are from god.

]]> By: Muslim Teen http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17181 Muslim Teen Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:08:53 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-17181 Well ok, We beleive we have destiny in Islam, but its kind of different. First of all we beleive in one god and Muhamed was his messenger [ we aslo beleive in moses, jesus, but as prophets ). Ok now we beleive that destiny is only as such, that god chooses when we are born and when we die, how we will look and our strenghts and weaknesses, but we have the choice to reject god or accpet god, we have the choice to do right or wrong. A simple example would be that say there is a teacher, the teacher can KNOW wat the student is possible to get in the end of year exams, pass or fail. We muslims beleive that this life is a test. There is a difference between destiny and knowledge, God Almighty has all the knowledge, but he lets us choose, to make it simple, remember the teahcers example.This life is the exams, and the results come in the hereafter. Well ok, We beleive we have destiny in Islam, but its kind of different. First of all we beleive in one god and Muhamed was his messenger [ we aslo beleive in moses, jesus, but as prophets ).
Ok now we beleive that destiny is only as such, that god chooses when we are born and when we die, how we will look and our strenghts and weaknesses, but we have the choice to reject god or accpet god, we have the choice to do right or wrong.
A simple example would be that say there is a teacher, the teacher can KNOW wat the student is possible to get in the end of year exams, pass or fail. We muslims beleive that this life is a test.
There is a difference between destiny and knowledge, God Almighty has all the knowledge, but he lets us choose, to make it simple, remember the teahcers example.This life is the exams, and the results come in the hereafter.

]]> By: Baudin http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-14383 Baudin Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:18:46 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-14383 I'm getting a little bit fed up with all the nonsense that is being spoken (and written) these days.I'm getting a little bit fed up with all the nonsense that is being spoken (and written) these days. First of all, at the beginning of this thread there is this big deal about ‘1+1=2’, lemme just kill that thought. In math, 1+1=2 because we say it does. If someone doesn’t agree, well, let them propose something else and base some calculations on his thought. What I mean to say is this: “Math exists independent of human existence!” Now I hear people go: “….uhhh, but we invented math man!” To those of you who think math is created rather then discovered I want to say, get yourself a math-book, cause without at least some basic knowledge about the subjects you are dissing don’t speak up. The same goes for all those semi-philosophical statements posted. Every philosopher worth something agrees that his or her view will be outdated by the end of this decennium. The only philosophers not able to grasp the simple inadequacy of the human thinking process are religious instituted and their followers. We as a race have gone from ‘believing’ that the earth was round, to flat, back to round but every religious statement (especially Christianity) has remained untouched by the basic foundations of doubt. Maybe that’s what a religion is supposed to do…..take away doubts, but seriously. What God would be interested in a group of people unwilling to better their own independent reasoning? What God would be interested in a group of people unwilling to use the mental capacities given to them by Him! The most important part of being human is to doubt, the most basic addition to life is doubt, please don’t kill our humanity by destroying doubt. Tx for reading the ramblings of a frustrated believer  I’m getting a little bit fed up with all the nonsense that is being spoken (and written) these days.I’m getting a little bit fed up with all the nonsense that is being spoken (and written) these days. First of all, at the beginning of this thread there is this big deal about ‘1+1=2’, lemme just kill that thought. In math, 1+1=2 because we say it does. If someone doesn’t agree, well, let them propose something else and base some calculations on his thought.

What I mean to say is this: “Math exists independent of human existence!” Now I hear people go: “….uhhh, but we invented math man!”
To those of you who think math is created rather then discovered I want to say, get yourself a math-book, cause without at least some basic knowledge about the subjects you are dissing don’t speak up.

The same goes for all those semi-philosophical statements posted. Every philosopher worth something agrees that his or her view will be outdated by the end of this decennium. The only philosophers not able to grasp the simple inadequacy of the human thinking process are religious instituted and their followers.
We as a race have gone from ‘believing’ that the earth was round, to flat, back to round but every religious statement (especially Christianity) has remained untouched by the basic foundations of doubt. Maybe that’s what a religion is supposed to do…..take away doubts, but seriously. What God would be interested in a group of people unwilling to better their own independent reasoning? What God would be interested in a group of people unwilling to use the mental capacities given to them by Him!

The most important part of being human is to doubt, the most basic addition to life is doubt, please don’t kill our humanity by destroying doubt.

Tx for reading the ramblings of a frustrated believer 

]]> By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-3654 sidfaiwu Fri, 26 May 2006 15:04:28 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-3654 I'm sorry I missed this discussion at its height! QC, based on what you have written thus far, it seems that you reject inductive reasoning as logically valid. You are definitely not alone in this view (though I disagree with you). The philosopher David Hume (http://www.iep.utm.edu/h/humeepis.htm) was the most successful proponent of such a view. You might be interested in his writings. A large group of people has taking this one step further and has rejected DEDUCTIVE reasoning as well. They are called Buddhists. Also noting that our senses are fallible does not suggest that we should reject them. Though assuming that our senses ARE being systematically fooled is a great intellectual starting point for developing epistemology. This is exactly what the first of the empirical philosophers, Rene Descartes (http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/descarte.htm), did in the 17th century. He first asked if all my senses are wrong, what could one know for certain? He first conclusion is world-famous because of its insight: “Cogito ergo sum (I think therefore I am).” His argument basically comes down to the following. One cannot be tricked into existing. All of one’s senses can be fooled, but someone must be the one being fooled. You should read his “Meditations on First Philosophy” if you are interested in the fallibility of human senses and its potential consequences. Ironically, this doubting of the senses that Descartes proposed and that you use to claim that science is based on faith is exactly the thought process that led to the scientific method and launched the Age of Reason in Europe. I’m sorry I missed this discussion at its height! QC, based on what you have written thus far, it seems that you reject inductive reasoning as logically valid. You are definitely not alone in this view (though I disagree with you). The philosopher David Hume (http://www.iep.utm.edu/h/humeepis.htm) was the most successful proponent of such a view. You might be interested in his writings. A large group of people has taking this one step further and has rejected DEDUCTIVE reasoning as well. They are called Buddhists.

Also noting that our senses are fallible does not suggest that we should reject them. Though assuming that our senses ARE being systematically fooled is a great intellectual starting point for developing epistemology. This is exactly what the first of the empirical philosophers, Rene Descartes (http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/descarte.htm), did in the 17th century. He first asked if all my senses are wrong, what could one know for certain? He first conclusion is world-famous because of its insight: “Cogito ergo sum (I think therefore I am).” His argument basically comes down to the following. One cannot be tricked into existing. All of one’s senses can be fooled, but someone must be the one being fooled. You should read his “Meditations on First Philosophy” if you are interested in the fallibility of human senses and its potential consequences. Ironically, this doubting of the senses that Descartes proposed and that you use to claim that science is based on faith is exactly the thought process that led to the scientific method and launched the Age of Reason in Europe.

]]> By: p910 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-3638 p910 Fri, 26 May 2006 02:27:16 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/04/18/homer-proves-god-doesnt-exist/#comment-3638 "If God knows what is going to happen in the future, then we have a destiny, and that cannot be broken, otherwise that would prove God wrong, because he wouldn’t have known it was going to happen. This clearly violates the human free will idea. If humans truly had free will, they could do whatever they wanted, but since God created us and already knows what we are going to pick, we don’t really have a choice now do we." God been all-knowing doesn't contracdict with the idea of free will. God leaves you the freedom of choice, your destiny is set by you, he just knew it beforehand. Knowing is different from setting. The idea of freewill is that you make your own decision without the influence of god. “If God knows what is going to happen in the future, then we have a destiny, and that cannot be broken, otherwise that would prove God wrong, because he wouldn’t have known it was going to happen.
This clearly violates the human free will idea. If humans truly had free will, they could do whatever they wanted, but since God created us and already knows what we are going to pick, we don’t really have a choice now do we.”

God been all-knowing doesn’t contracdict with the idea of free will. God leaves you the freedom of choice, your destiny is set by you, he just knew it beforehand. Knowing is different from setting. The idea of freewill is that you make your own decision without the influence of god.

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