Take a walk back in history with me as we visit 1987. Swaggart was involved with a prostitute at a Metaire, Louisiana, hotel called the Travel Inn on Airline Highway, when some associates flattened the tires on Swaggart’s car, went to get cameras, and took photographs of Swaggart exiting the hotel with the prostitute.
The story broke on February 20, 1988, four months after Swaggart had promised to confess his sin. On February 21, 1988, on his television show taped in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Swaggart tearfully confessed that he was guilty of an unspecified sin and made comparisons to himself and King David.
Here is a BBC presentation on that whole affair. The quality is not stellar, but finding any video on this subject has proven to be quite challenging.
The fact that people still follow this insane religious freak just shows how many people in this world are stupid and rather hopeless.
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May 18th, 2006 at 12:17 am
perhaps people ought to profit off this guy by selling tshirts ^^
’sinner’ or some such, just as long as its not libelous :-P or to much for that matter
i dunno, i think most people who like him don’t know him
then again most people who know bush like him cause he’s so ‘normal’ like they are
February 8th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Jimmy was…and is…hardcore; I’d assert that he’s flat out sincere and genuine, BECAUSE he repented on live national TV. How many fakes and swindlers would do THAT?
You’d have to have known his preaching style before the scandal, but note how subdued and humble-sounding he is after the scandal…i.e., recognizing his hypocrisy, and acting a LOT LESS JUDGMENTAL.
Before this it was lots and lots of damnation, after this it was “we’re all sinners, we all screw up”.
I ain’t really a fan, just giving credit where credit is due.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
no suprise…because its the nature of his religion.. u can repent then do sins, even a 5 yr old would know better.. wot exactly would it take 2 convince people like this.. i really dont know,,
May God guide all those misguided to the straight path - Ameen -
April 29th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Man, what a phony
August 7th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Man, I can’t believe that people would beliee that type of phony crap.
I mean, the bible speaks more of prostitution than playboy, hustler, and pnthouse put together, and you have these brainwashed morons telling us it is wrong, when the bible, THE BIBLE, GOD DAMN IT! speaks of it. I say, continute to ridicule the pastors, such as this clown. Church isn’t worth it anymore
October 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Most people you talk about aren’t real. This man is real. Jesus said “He who hath sin, cast the first stone.” He’s repented, so we have to forgive him. God says if we can’t forgive, we can’t be forgiven. God forgot.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:32 am
I wonder if those who freely toss compassion and ‘credit’ swaggarts way are aware of his subsequent transgression with a prostitute in California in 1991 not mentioned in this post?
How compassionate do you feel to know that this whoremonger continues to collect 350K a year from his so called ministry as last reported in 1995?
December 27th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
i gave my life to jesus christ in 1985 while watching jimmy swaggart broadcast.jimmy is only a man . all have sinned and come short .except jesus christ.we are to love jimmy and not just jimmy but each other.God loves those who sin,he does not love the sin itself..evanglist jimmy swaggart is one of the greatest preachers that has ever lived..he that is without sin let him or her cast the frist stone..
January 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
One would have to understand the annointing power of God in order to comprehend the tremendous man of God that Jimmy Swaggart once WAS. Any Christian with discernment will attest to this. In the 80’s before his public fall there is no doubt in my mind that he has led literally millions to the Lord. I pray that the disgraced individual that he has become would only cry out for mercy.It is apparent that he has now a spirit of arrogance and pride in him. I ask the Holy Spirit to bring conviction upon him before it is too late. And I pray in Jesus name that every individual that may have stumbled due to Jimmy Swaggart’s spiritual demise has been restored. I will never forget what a mighty man of power that he was and can only hope that all his works would not be burned up.
January 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
“” In the 80’s before his public fall there is no doubt in my mind that he has led literally millions to the Lord.”"
Something for which he should be severly punished. Scamming and decieving people is a crime you know.
“And I pray in Jesus name…”
Yes, because that really works.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Jimmy Swaggart would not said ” I have sinned” if he was NOT COUGHT !!!!!!!!! He is the biggest lier in the world.
He is a thief, a killer. He is a thief because he got our money and spending it on himself and on his prostitutes.
Just because he was CAUGHT he said “I HAVE SINNED”
iF HE WAS NOT COUGHT , HE WOULD HAVE KEPT STEELING OUR MOUNEY, AND KEPT SLEEPING WITH THESE FLESHES.
God does not forgive a person who other people find out about his/her sins. No ! God forgives a person when this person HIMSELF finds out he is sinning, and doing the wrong thing, and then he stops doing it and stops sinning and asks God for forgiveness.
No ! Jimmy Swaggart only says I have sinned because he was cauhgt. If he was not cought , he would have kept going and going on steeling our money and trusts.
I EVEN FEEL BAD TO SAY I AM A CHRISTIAN.
Jimmy Swaggart needs not to show his face to anyone at all.
He keeps putting other religiouns down , yet he is himself is the scum of earh, the dirt of earth
March 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
I can well imagine your frustration, Ruth B. Furthermore, I appreciate that you condemn Swaggart in no uncertain terms. Too many religionists are too quick to forgive one of their own yet slow to forgive the stranger.
I have to admit I am strongly tempted to try and get you to give up your religion. But that would be selfish, agenda-pushing. Instead I’d like to make a couple of observations. First, hypocrisy and abuse can take place in any kind of organization, including religious ones. So don’t be ashamed of your Christianity because of one (or even several) bad eggs. There are many good reasons to give up religion but the actions, however sensational, of a small minority of its practitioners is not one of them. Second, instances like these prove that religion is not sufficient to guarantee moral behavior.
Finally, I’d like to remind you of a related point. Lack of religion does not guarantee immorality. There are plenty of non-hypocritic (as far as is humanly possible), non-abusive non-believers.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Jimmy Swaggart’s confession might have been honest and sincere AT THAT TIME. But yet his pride never left him. He wanted to get back into the lime light of his ministry within 3 months itself! His church wanted him to be out for atleast a year since he disgraced not only millions of honest bible beleving Christians but our very Lord Himself.
And again later in 1991, he was caught with another prostitute. What shame. And this man is still in public ministry and preaching. WOE UNTO YOU! Ye Pharasees!
James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive THE GREATER CONDEMNATION.
Jimmy’s fall was as great as his rise. That he was a public minister puts more responsibility on his shoulders for holy living. Millions look at him and are supposed to see our Lord. Yet, what do they see? A hypocrite who condemned so harshly his fellow brothers of the same sin while he himself was indulging in it.
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man SOWETH, that shall he also REAP.
Most of these teleevangelists are only after the money and glitter. The finiancial scandels rocking teleevangelists brought great shame to many a Christian. It is so hard to share the gospel to someone who is aware of all this. This was just like another business empire.
If Jimmy was really repentant, he would have stepped down from his ministry. He should have stepped down from any sort of public ministry
People like Jimmy, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakkar, Tammy faye… with their love for publicity lives, they bring much disgrace to our Lord. The following portion best fits them:
Philippians 3:18-19
18 For MANY WALK, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God IS THEIR BELLY, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind EARTHLY THINGS.
It’s worse to see millions still following these false prophets who are wolves in sheep clothing.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I can’t help but to not overlook, what Ruth B said. Not that what she said wasn’t true, but that she sees it wrong, even though it sounds correct. Yes you are correct, about Swaggart getting caught, but you have also ASSUMED, that Swaggart wouldn’t have repented, if he didn’t get caught. Since in that it didn’t happen that way when indeed it may have. And even at that, 99% of the people change after getting caught on some things. And 100% of the people
on at least one thing. What does it take to change the accents of a man? Most of the time hardship, were are a people of natural proclivities.
It sure is easy to point out peoples faults hiding behind a pseudonym. I wonder if what you posted, you would actually say to the man in which your referring too? More than likely not! He who is without sin cast the first stone.
Despite Jimmy Swaggart’s mistakes, he’s still one of the few that refuses to stray from what the bible actually has to say. And by doing that, his integrity is still in-tacked, when in fact some people would have just given up altogether and managed to twist scripture to justify themselves!! I sure don’t recall hearing Swaggart ever doing that, after all he said he was wrong didn’t he?
May 31st, 2008 at 6:06 am
THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, HE WITH OUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE, I THINK OF WHERE I WAS WITHOUT JESUS IT SCARERS ME, EVEN IN MY WALK WITH HIM, HOW I FELL, BUT BY HIS MERCEY HE HAS FORGIVEN ME, I THANK HIS HOLY NAME, PRAY FOR JIMMY THATS ALL I WILL SAY.
May 31st, 2008 at 7:29 am
Yeah, of course it scares you. You’ve been living your whole life without having to confront the big bad reality of the world out there.
You’re free to hang on to your crutch, but don’t bother the rest of us with your sad fantasy.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 pm
“Yeah, of course it scares you. You’ve been living your whole life without having to confront the big bad reality of the world out there.
You’re free to hang on to your crutch, but don’t bother the rest of us with your sad fantasy.”
Too right on alcari, I mean hell, to the rest of us who have lived in the real and dangerous world without being sheltered, we don’t give a rats in general.
I kinda agree with ruth, sidfaiwu, and mainly george basically, and to ron who’s also to say that it would have happened (repenting) if he wouldn’t have gotten caught? So it can be said on the flip side as well, like ruth said at first. Like sid said, they are willing to forgive their own, but condemn the everyday person, or the liberal types (hippies, entertainers or troublesome actors, etc.) I guess since they’re sinful cretins anyhow I guess.
September 7th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Oh it is so easy to critisize Jimmy Swaggart but the truth is that all those who critize him do nt understand the Blood covenant! Jesus paid for the sins of Jimmy just as much as he paid for mine and the whole world’s (that includes you critic!…i.e. if you truly turn to him). Thank you Jesus that your grace abounds!
September 7th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I understand the Blood Covenant because I used to be a Christian. I even used to minister to people and fight against sites like this. But then one day started questioning what I was always told was true and I found error in it all. That is why I fight ignorant people like you and try to shed the light of truth on a world which has been blanketed with the shadow of ignorance for so many millenia. Your religion is a farce, just like all others in the world. It’s easy to criticize Jimmy because he is hypocrite, much like it’s be just as easy to criticize you if your dirty little secrets became public. I know you have them, everyone does.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
To MarcDLS,
Quote “I used to be a Christian”…..No you didn’t. You tried the “christian religion”, period. To be a Real Christian, you must be born-again by God Almighty Himself, brought to life by The Holy Spirit, and that is a work of Grace. When you meet Jesus, by His Spirit, you are sealed until the day of Redemption….given Eternal Life. And you don’t do it, God does. I pray that you seek The Truth, Jesus Christ, crucified, buried and resurrected, seated at the right hand of The Father! AMEN
September 8th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Well, according to those who believe that once you are saved that God does his magic hoobi-do and presto you can never turn away from him, I was not saved. However, even in the Christian world, you are the minority. So I “tried the Christian religion,” for like the first 18 years of my life, not that long of a time, and I studied it extensively, what do I know about it? Obviously, you, who I’m guessing just eats up whatever is spoon fed to you and just bows your head and accepts it, know much more about it than me. I apologize for offending you with my mindless dribble. My only question to you is that how is one supposed to “know” if they are “really saved?” Is it just one of those “cross-your-fingers-and-wait-till-the-end” sorta things? I thought I was saved but, according to you, I was mistaken…my bad.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I was just wondering if jimmy gave rebates to anyone, is he in the pen doing time? some of his comrads flattened his tires while he was in the room doing the dirty deed you say, so when swag came busting out of the room to make his get away with his gal he could`nt go anywhere cause his tires had no air in them you say, very interesting, i bet next time he will wear a disquise, i can just see swag with long hair and a moustache wearing a bunch of hippy garb, he might tell everybody he is one of the last of the dieing breed of the flower children, well i don`t know if he could fool anyone or not, one things for sure, he will have to get rid of them horn rim glassess….
September 16th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Did someone really let the air out of swags tires? i wonder what his wife said to him after she got through flaling them jaws, she probably striped hid leggs, i bet he won`t preach anytime soon wearing ber mooda shorts…….poor ole swags got more trouble than a goat in a hail storm…..
September 16th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
does anyone know? it was said that swag offered them girls of the evening 10 dollars, i bet they would`nt let swaggart even smell of their socks for 10 dollars……….
September 30th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Its funny that all the people who are supporting Jimmy Swaggart in the above comments cannot even write properly.It just goes to show the intelligence of these people.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Ok but what about God ? Does the sin of men change who God is ? Let God judge Jimmy and all his good and bad works, lets remember what we do when nobody is watching, there are a lot of need out there, what are we doing about it ? What will you do one day if there is a God and you have to account about you own life and secrets ? Just focus on your faith and do not disregard Jesus because of people !
September 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Willie,
Perhaps instead you yourself should focus not on blind faith, but rather on reason and the multitude of evidence that shows the Christian bible to be nonsense in so many ways.
Also, re “What will you do one day if there is a God”, just google on “Pascal’s Wager” for why that is a failure as an argument.
Religion is ridiculous.
October 8th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Every great man in this world has a very deep dark secret,and so do we all.This weakness/thorn is so that we may be humbled again.It is a sign that we need him in our lives always,thus it is written,those who have faith in him continue to cleanse themselves from sin whilst their holy.Everything we do will come to light,most importantly it is how we respond afterwards that matters most,remember Adam and Eve,when caught they shifted blame to the next person,ever wonder how the world would be like if they took responsibility for their actions.I say big ups to those who own up to their sins,for it is only then that we can trully forgive and find peace.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Although Pastor Swaggart made a mistake, we are all human and make mistakes. The Lord will judge him. We cannot do that. I will be in prayer about my occasional support of JSM. We cannot let the entire ministry suffer because of one man’s mistakes.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
It’s not just one man that is the center of this. He is just one of many so called Christians who say one thing but live entirely separate lives. They all do it and everyone is sick of hearing their crap when we all know what most likely goes on behind closed doors. You know why we know? Because we know they are human.
October 21st, 2008 at 10:15 am
Jimmy is a mighty man of God.He confesed his sin a thing which many of us fail to do.We need to understand that we are living in the last days and we should work on our own salvation.We cannot aford to cling to someone’s mistakes. He asked for forgiveness from God and I believe He has forgiven him.So why should we not forgive him so that we may be forgiven.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Every generation thinks they are in the last days. Get over yourself and stop trying to use scare tactics to get people to believe in your fairy tales.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Marc, your post #30 was spot on.
Its sad that people cant see these lunatics for the conmen they are.
In Oz, we just had a fantastic case of a pastor who faked cancer for 2 years, had a hit single about it, then said he was cured because he had faith in God. LOL when he got busted and tried to blame an internet pornography addiction for his lies. Nup, its the fake moralising and unnatural supression of perfectly normal behaviour that f**ks people up!
The Ted Haggart saga was another recent gold episode.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
This is the most stupidest thing I heard since sliced bread. Jimmy Swaggart is a awesome preacher and will always be.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:25 am
JSM is not a ministry, it’s a business. The sooner people understand this then the sooner people will be able to look at it with an open eye & ear. I can tell you this from a personal perspective. I’ve went to school there, bible college, church, worked there & have held an upper position. I was not on the ministerial staff. I know that there will people who are never going to see JSM in terms as a business but it is nothing more. I know there are good people that go there & work there. All I can say is that those who know, know. Those who don’t, may never know.
November 12th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Furthermore, all religious ministry that collects money is business, and should be taxed accordingly. No more tax breaks for religion. Too often, religion has masqueraded as charity.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Wow unto all of you who pass judgment on any of God’s creation. We are only to judge the “sin” in the person, not the person himself or herself. God’s word says in Mark 11:25-26, ” And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him,so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” his word also says in Romans 3:23-24; “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Crist Jesus.” We all sin, even Christians at times, we are not perfect, we live in a body that is not perfect. Jesus Christ is the only perfect human being that walked the face of this earth, past present or future. As humans we see sin in different degrees, God is a Holy God, he looks at sin all the same, a liar is just as sinful as an adulterer. Galations 5:19-21; “the acts of the sinful nature are obvious; sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” 1John 1:8-9 says ” if we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, if we confess our sins, he (God) is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins, and purify us of all unrighteousness.” I pray all of you come to know and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and learn the truth and Love of God and his word. Jimmy Swaggart is a true man of God, he sinned, he repented his sins to God, he has been forgiven according to God’s word and promises. There are few people who preach the true word of God uncompromised, Jimmy and Family Worship Center are faithful to God, they preach Christ and him Crucified.
May God bless and forgive us all of our sins, and may he have mercy on us.
November 18th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Well, thank you for the “wow”, Ninette. It’s great that you’ve been positively impressed like that, and a cheer is nice to get once in a while.
However, in regard to your preaching and your copying and pasting of the same old rubbish, in the absence of you presenting any evidence for your particular religious myths, we have to recommend that you follow this important link.
Religion is ridiculous.
November 19th, 2008 at 8:16 am
I want to apologize to all the readers, for my typing error in my comment I left yesterday (#37).
Wow, should have been Woe, Woe meaning take heed. Yes, even Christians make mistakes.
I want to express my deepest regret and anguish for Korgan. I am sorry you feel God’s word is a myth, as well as your catch phrase “Religion is ridiculous”.
I pray that God reveal himself to you, the truths of His Word and His Love that he has for all his creation.
John 3:16 says ” For God so loved the world that He gave his only Begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER beleives in Him should have Everlasting Life”.
I pray this Truth out of Love be revealed to all who read this, for Love heals all things.
Love,
Ninette
November 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Ninette,
While it is likely that you really do think that you are sharing positive sentiments, the ugliness and evil of Christianity still surfaces above the typical platitudes of your post:
You said that
“even Christians make mistakes, ”
but that is a typical, if subtle, positioning of Christians above others. Given all the evil that Christianity has to answer for throughout history, considering e.g. the violence of the inquisitions, the suppression of free speech, reason and science, and much more, the opposite positioning should be the case.
The reality of what is presented in the bible, and in historical record, is that the message of Christianity is not one of love. It is overall a message of violence, unjustified punishment, and suppression of truth.
Furthermore, given the absurdity of the concepts presented in the bible, such as eternal punishment merely for not believing in the face of insufficient evidence, the inconsistencies of bible fiction with reality, and so on, Christianity exemplifies that Religion is ridiculous.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:34 pm
All who claim to be Christians aren’t. That belief has hardened many hearts toward real christianity. A true born-again believer in Jesus Christ never is above anyone or thinks himself better than others.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 am
All who claim to be true Scotsmen aren’t. That belief has hardened many hearts toward Scots. A true Scotsman never is above anyone or thinks himself more truly Scottish than others.
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Korgan
The christian faith is the only one that say, Pray for your enemies. turn the other cheek, Matthew 5 the Beatitudes says blessed(oh what bliss what self-contained joy for the man or woman who is)poor in spirit, they that mourn(when others hurt,sin and effects of sin& our own sin)meek… don’t blame the atrocities that MAN did in the past under the name of God & the Church, because Jesus said you can hang everything on two commanments:”Love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul with all your might and love your neighbor as yourself.” pretty much the way a real chistian with godly motives behaves.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Alan, you really need to read up on the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Anyway, your statement “The christian faith is the only one that say, Pray for your enemies. turn the other cheek, ” is demonstrably false. Dozens of non-Christian faiths mention some form of the same thing, but just to cite one example (that being sufficient to prove your statement false), the Hindu faith calls for peaceful tolerance of enemies, and Gandhi himself actually exhibited and extolled this reaction in his exemplary way.
The bible also says a lot about how enemies should be dealt with that is horribly violent. Witness the murder of whole peoples along the bloody path of the bible and Christianity, for a variety of “reasons”. That’s just one more contradiction of this man-made fiction known as Christianity.
Now since you’ve brought in the “commandment” “Love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul with all your might”, maybe you can answer this old chestnut of a question:
Why does a purportedly omnipotent being need and demand worship? That is an absolutely and utterly absurd characteristic to ascribe to an omnipotent being, and is yet more evidence that the Christian god is man-made. Demonstrating yet again, as I always say,
Religion is ridiculous.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Korgan
“Religion is vain” Jesus said that.
as to your chestnut I with out him I would still be in a lifestyle and an attitude of filthy, rotten things that i am ashamed of, and i would be as bitter as a lot of atheist i meet having said that he saved me from myself and a world heartache i love my life, my family, and my God before the love of god i hated everything and everyone. It’s not that he demands worship he deserves it. And until you see what he’s done for you, all I can say is you are missing the greatest chestnut that I ever found
November 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Umm, alan, how is a commandment that says “Love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul with all your might” not a demand?
Hint, since you are struggling: that commandment obviously is a demand.
Your statement is simply absurd, and again demonstrates that
Religion is ridiculous.
Now, as for those the filthy and rotten things that you did that you were ashamed of, you’ve actually exposed yet another problem with religions such as Christianity. That problem is the following: Religion shifts responsibility out of the hands of the individual that did the shameful act and onto some mythical being. That is horrible; you should be shamed of those “filthy, rotten things”, rather than be allowed to offload responsibility for everything to your sky fairy.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Korgan
I give up you want me to be opened minded to you and your beliefs about “religion.” Still you will argue anything i say just because I am a born again child of God! you can never explain away what he did FOR me and FOR my life
I dust my shoes goodbye
November 24th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
At last: that you cannot explain what god has done for you is a point we can agree on.
Religion is ridiculous.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
**ATTENTION** My Brothers and Sisters, i give thanks for Korgan and the testing of your faith in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Stand firm, Stand on the Rock and Hope of your Salavtion which is Christ Jesus.
If you have been tested know that others before us have been tested of their faith in Jesus.
Here is some scripture of the Love that brought you to the point in your life, for now see the truth, the truth in the Power of God and His Son.
“For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved”
In 1 John 2:3-6
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
the love, the truth you have in you comes from above and the testing of this, should only reveal the love of God, Emmanuel.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Korgan, i am *kicking* a can and i just kicked this to you. want to play?
Korgan, a no true scotsman, interesting. I look forward to reading that story.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
hyrocket:
Can you explain why God would test Christians if he supposedly knows the end from the beginning? After all, why give the test if he already knows the outcome? Especially if the result of the test would be a failure and a push away from God. As, in my case, completely away from his religion and into non-belief? Once again, contradictory.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Hey MarcDLS,
i appreciate your post 51.
Here is what Korgan said about you with a conversation with Lynn and shows some admiration for you in post 27 on another page(MontyPthon).
“Christianity is a threat to rational people everywhere, and long has been. That is part of why I and others are, and will remain, adamant about pointing out the obvious flaws in it. MarcDLS’s post 17 is a great example of that.”
You said,
17 ““2- the sinner must have full knowledge of what they are doing and what it entails in the eyes of God.””
“By that logic people who don’t believe in God have no fear of committing sin since they don’t believe in the thing that defines sin. If those who don’t believe in God cannot sin, they cannot be sent to hell. If they cannot be sent to hell what reason would they ever have to believe in God if such belief would then make them subject to the possibility of eternal torture imposed on them by a being who loves them. This is yet another example of how your silly little religion just doesn’t work.”
MarcDLS, “Can you explain why God would test Christians if he supposedly knows the end from the beginning? After all, why give the test if he already knows the outcome?”
This can be explained in science, with Korgans science knowledge with metals or solids.
My Friend MarcDLS, “in my case, completely away from his religion and into non-belief? Once again, contradictory.”
what is contradictory? Marc, so you’re a brother? Marc, it is nice to know that you once held to a certain religion and i can say from experience that you had no one to help you deal with the situations you were in, to be a mentor for you at a young age? Were you part of a church that did not explain scripture but lived like there was none. I can relate to you if this is the case.
intercession on a hill will i mention. i too hold a banner that says Jesus in arabic.
November 26th, 2008 at 12:54 am
It is contradictory in that according to your Bible God loves everyone and wants them to go to heaven, however if God chooses to test someone knowing he will fail it is God forcing them away. A God that claims to love his creations in one text but then through his own action/inaction forces them away is contradictory. I was a member of a Full Gospel Church. This is also known as Interdenominational. What drove me away were the many contradictions in religion. If a God hasn’t the power or the will portray himself in a consistent and coherent manner he either can’t exist or is not worthy of worship due to it’s many deceptions. I turned away when I was 18, well beyond the age of reason. That is my own fault. It should have been much younger.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Korgan
I just thought I should let you know that the Bible has an incredible amount of evidence supporting it. It has been verified through Archeological, and historical discoveries. The Bible contains Science, locations and information that has been verified. You cant argue with the Bible once you truly discover whats in it. Please visit this Web page to view what I am talking about. I am not intending to advertise. I just want you to see the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/ciphro
December 18th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH SEX????
Why is sex viewed so terribly by Christians? Why can’t we enjoy one of God’s greatest gifts??? What is so wrong with the fact that Jimmy Swaggart likes to have sex, especially considered men are biologically designed to “reproduce”?
Brother Swaggart’s mistake is that he condemned others on the same things he himself did. But let’s not lower ourselves or cloud the issues; sex is NOT BAD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
We should be upset with him for violently attacking others and not following the Lord; soft, peaceful, yet strong leadership.
December 20th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
post 55 -tavis -you’re an idiot! i am saying this in french.
March 19th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
I have read most of the posts. Let all those that condemn beware! Some of the same ones that condemned Jimmy have fallen in the same sexual trap. I love Jimmy and JSM Ministries; they have weathered a storm like many of us will never see.
1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
It could happen to you or me… I pray not!
Norman
March 19th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Hello Norman, so what then… what should we do what should we put our focus on? who? help the brethren to understand your thinking?!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Just so everyone knows, Ruth B. is not a christian. everyone who’s reads these comments, please please please do not read anything from Ruth B. This person should never use the word “christian” in reference with their self. Ruth said “I EVEN FEEL BAD TO SAY I AM A CHRISTIAN”, well i have news for you…you’re not.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jesse, go read about the No True Scotsman fallacy, and come back when you understand it.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
salam
does some one remember his debat with el-chiek ahmed deedat when de made a joke on islam when he said christianity allowed me one woman so i have to choose one wife and i should to take the best!
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
This is to all the people that think Brother Jimmy Swaggart is still a wrong man. Before you send him to hell in your heart ask yourself have i messed up, have i done wrong somewhere in my lifetime? I believe you will say yes. So, first you need to look at yourself and see whats wrong with yourlife. At least this man is trying to serve God and still preaching the word of God. While you sit there and judgeing him he is still preaching the word of God. I am a preacher myself and i mess up somethimes too. I am far from perfect just like brother Jimmy. So to the ones that are worrying about Jimmy, worry about yourself because your a human just like he is.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Another example of man messing up religion, faith and ultimately spirituality.
Someone who goes to church and daydreams of fishing is religious.
Someone who goes fishing and talks to God (insert Higher power here if you like) is spiritual.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
If he stood to loose millions of dollars of course he’d repent.[for being caught]. Strange how unfullfilling the ‘American dream’ is, that makes Americans so superstitious.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
[...] Jimmy Swaggart was involved with a prostitute at a Metaire, Louisiana, and hotel called the Travel Inn on Airline [...]
June 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
This is madness. Anybody wishing to copulate with a kidnapped, mesmerized and raped female, that lives in an unconscious state of mind and therefore is to be legally an morally considered a sexual slave,is just a mad man.
If this is not enough in legal and moral terms, prostitutes are in a such confusional metal state of mind, thta they barely wahs themselves, and hell knows what they are capable to do when they are alone that it is just disgusting.
In conformity of these two logical evidences, the man is to be considered clinically mentally insane becosue of lack of elementary mental power in order to be disgusted and repelled by prostitution and other forms of criminally insane kinds of abuses on unaware children.