WARNING: This post is nothing more than a rant. The sole pupose of this piece is to share my honest opinion without logic and/or reasoning :)
Itanshi, one of Religious Freaks finest citizens, sent me this link on Friday. Go ahead and take a peek, I’ll wait. For those too lazy to look, it’s a photo of the Iranian woman playing rugby. What I find absolutely absurd is their attire. These women are playing rugby in Tehran with full oppressive female Islamic attire including the hijab to cover their head. Mind you their wearing dark clothing and this is Iran, where temperatures get over 100F regularly.
Now this got me thinking about my trip last winter to an indoor water park. It was a real fun place, several water slides, an area for the kids, and one of those lazy rivers where you just float around on an inner-tube and relax. To make a long story short, my family and I were heading over to the lazy river, when I saw one of the most ridiculous sights. There in front of me was a young Muslim girl covered from head to toe in the traditional Islamic garb. Now you have to picture dozens of kids running around in bathing suits laughing, screaming, and having a blast. Then here’s this Muslim girl sloshing through the water with 20 pounds of wet clothing. Judging by the look on her face I could tell she just wanted to rip that hideous thing off and run free like everyone else… it was priceless!
Honestly, this whole Islamic dress code is just stupid, especially when it comes to sporting activities. Take a look at these pictures and tell me why I’m wrong… please!
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asalam walikom(Hi)! I am a muslim and I don’t think this is crazy I think that everyone in the world should do sports even though there religion tells them to do something that is apart of there belef so don’t jugeg us because we wear the hijab jugeg us by our hearts walikom asalam
Hello Rasha Ahmed,
Thanks for the comment. I don’t judge people based on their beliefs (or ‘hearts’), but on their actions. My question concerning the pictures would be could the women have chosen to not wear a hijab while participating in sports? Or was there so much social pressure from their community that not wearing them would of caused negative consequences? If they had actual choice in the matter, than I could care less what they choose to wear.
Oh, and I agree that more of the world should do sports regardless of beliefs.
SALUT
J AIME ETRE UNE AMIE
Rasha Ahmed:
Asalam walikom to you as well.
I can safely say that we are not judging Muslim women for their beleifs. We are judging you by your hearts.
I think most women and people who are not a part of the Muslim culture, see that you are shunning the true happiness from your lives. Here in the West, people see faith and love much differently that I imagine you were brought up to know. Here, “being true to yourself” isn’t just a quote from the popular movie Bill & Ted’s Excellent adventures. It means that you must love yourself first, for all of your flaws and desires; before you can know true love with another person.
We judge you for your hearts, as it breaks ours to see Muslim women being judged for theirs.
Rasha Ahmed:
asalam walikom! I think I can safely say that we (People in the West)do not judge Muslim women for their faith.
In fact we judge you only on your hearts, for it breaks our hearts to see Muslim women being judged for theirs.
WHO EVER THE HELL U ARE …
UR AN ANIMAL..
GO GET EDUCATED !!
behind the hijab is everythin’.
u dun have to show everyone what u have.
beyond the veil is sumthin’
ello eberry body…i em frreshi…from bidheshii…
i luv ehiii and i lurrv gassyyyy
what kind of name is that?
what kind of name is that?
p.s. GO GET EDUCATED !!
If these women have chosen to wear the hijab, that’s up to them and there is no need to get your knickers in a twist.
If it has been imposed on them, that’s a disgrace.
If only that were true. We (you and me) might not, but i’m afraid most of ‘us’ do.
its sad to see women in uncomfy clothes casue of religious reasons.
its even mroe sad to see how muslims kill animals. they slit the throat partially, so the animal bleeds to death slowly
urgh
wake up people
http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw_a=view&lesson_id=26922
Alhamdulilah, I’m glad to see so many Muslims responding. I wear the hijab and I do it by choice. I wear it when I swim, I wear it when I snowboard, and believe it or not the world does not come to an end. It’s really not a big deal, and it saves me a lot of stress during swimsuit season. I am getting really sick of everyone telling me how oppressed I am when this is a choice that I made. I am a convert so it’s not like I have my family or my culture pressuring me into anything. I wear the hijab to please God and because that it what I feel comfortable wearing. If you want to feel sorry for somebody why don’t you feel sorry for all the girls who starved themselves all week so they could look good in their bathing suits that day at the water park?
God bless you sister Nikki.
May I just ask you what you find so ridiculous about women following there religion? Also who are you to call the islamic dress code “stupid” when you do not know the reason behind this dress code when you do not understand the depth of knowledge within this religion and the beauty and love of Allah subhahana wa ta’llah’s rules. You sit and look at someone in a hijab and liberate them just because their head is not bare and becuase they cover their hair but do you not understand that under that hijab they too have feelings and also they are also free and not “oppressed” but they are proud of their religion therefore they show it unlike those who say they follow a religion yet do nothing to prove and show their devotion. Western countries usually speak of democracy yet you rope us of our liberty and do not treat us with equality!! and yet after all the pain you give us with your laughter against our religion we still forgive you know why because our religion and prophet has taught us to forgive and forget.. i only pray that Allah gives you this knowledge and broaden your understanding..
maybe for you,being a free woman means wearing bitch clothes like g string.
Do you know modesty?modesty for yourself and for God?
don’t talk about what you don’t know.
Me,as a muslim,i’m gonna write about occidental women who think they are free because they don’t cover themselves…
sahra,a french girl CONVERTED to Islam soubhanAllah!
Why do the converts always make such a big fuss over the religious trappings? Have not yet met non-convert who is as zealous of such things.
Converts bitterly fight over them because it is their right to wear what they like but on the same time they condemn those who also exercise their right to wear what they want?
You cannot claim the right and deny it at the same time without accepting that other people will do the same to you.
Jagannath,
she has the right to think what ever she wants, the same like you think about woment wear Hijab, you gave opinion about the Hijabe, and they could also say theire opinion about people almost wear nothing.
Oh, people do have their right to think what ever they want to, your mind is your own play field so go crazy in there.
But what I asked was why do converts, and unless you are a convert, you are not really qualified to answer, make such a big fuss over religious trappings? I did not question anyones right to do what ever they feel comfortable with inside their heads or homes.
I also asked why do the same people who fight over the right to wear what they want to wear also fight against the same right when other people want to wear different things not inline with their opinions. It does not show great tolerance, does it not? It sounds more like coercion, ‘there is only our way and preventing our way is oppression.’
And where did I give an opinion of a hijab?
This is my opinion, Any clothing which prevents identification, be it mask, burka, niqub or even hijab if it is used in a way it prevents identification is in my opinion a tool of subterfuge and a mark of deceit. Those should not be allowed if we are ever going to get along.
If you have to cover your face, it brings only one question to my mind, why you are trying to betray me?
whats even more ridiclous is young girls starving themselves to become the apitemy of the male fantasy. why should we all struggle to be someone elses idea of perfection.
if there was only a way where people could judge us for our personality and our brains and not just our looks!!!!!
OH WAIT THERE IS! muslims women who wear hijab are judged for whats inside rather then what they are made of on the outside.
i reverted to islam 5 yrs ago put the hijab on 3 yrs ago and OH WHAT A FEELING men dont talk to my chest i dont get whistled at or harrased as i walk down the street. There are so many reasons why hijab is liberating, its my freedom. Dont knock it till ya tried it
Jagannath,do you often see around you,muslim women who write about occidental women and their clothes?
It’s not about intolerance,it’s about freedom.
So the less you are covered,the more you’re respected?
I’ve just noticed that for now in every medias,it is so fashion to talk about poor covered muslim women and their opression.What opression?
If she’s happy uncovered and if another is happy covered why making a big deal about it?
in France,can you imagine that you can’t go to school or work with an hijab,but you can go almost naked.
where’s the justice and the right of women in that?
surely for you guys its better for your little eyes to see uncovered women.
Can you imagine that i’m a french citizen and i’m not allowed to wear hijab at work.
i truly accept the fact that some women live their lives uncovered,but without criticizing the cover ones,regarding them as “slaves”.
“and unless you are a convert, you are not really qualified to answer,”just a question Jagannath,are you a muslim? so do you really think that converts are inferior to other muslims and know less about religion?what a great tolerance,well done,but i’m not gonna judge you,Allah Aalam.
salam alaykoum to every sisters and brothers :)
Ma’sha Allah!!!
Kylie,that’s wonderful sister,Subhan Allah!
Now, my original comment before religious interference was about converts, not of hijabs but as usual, original issue gets swept under fervor.
When one questions why converts act in a certain way, why one would ask those who were born into the religion? Their world views are different and it would be really prideful to claim that someone who has born into one religion can speak how converts see things. Can a woman say how a man feels about himself? Same kind of departure in stances exist between converts and those who were born into a religion. Who you were always affects who you are now.
Only one inferring any inferiority was you by bringing it up. To me converts are different kind of believers, they were brought up under a different set of values and they learned new set of values to follow. Converts are on regular basis more knowledgeable than those who were born to a religion of their religion and they have more information of how the society sees the religious people.
Converts are very eager to learn, obey and advocate but what I am trying find an answer for is, why they feel the need to out-do those who were born into religion. Why they are more vocal and more belligerent when someone might question their choices as if questions would taint their faith and bring them down to the level of non-believers?
You bring out a good point,
which I agree with, if you want to be covered, go for it but if not then go for it too. Problem I have had with converts is that they often leap on a chance to deride and launch their contempt to those who do not follow their expectations, clothingwise, even if they were acting in a similar fashion pre-conversion.
I do not see muslim women writing of Hesperian clothes and women as apart those who have denounced their faith I have met only very few muslim women who even work outside their homes. But oddly enough those who I know do not wear any special coverings apart normal clothes.
Also, you do make the same kind of judgments as many christians do, you question my tolerance and then hide behind a sentence but I am not judging you. I am quite used to it as regardless of religion, the overtly religious types use it constantly.
You could just openly judge me as I am Kafir to all gods while striving to be Alim of all gods.
“you do make the same kind of judgments as many christians do”
as far as i am concerned i wasnt christian before muslim.
i also don’t wear hijab but i deeply respect women who do,and i hope i will one day.
Ok you think that about converts its your opinion,however i don’t give mine about kâfir (no one is perfect)
Fortunately for converts,muslims are very friendly and helpful with new muslims.We’re all equal in Islam.
hope you’ll find your way,bye.
Sahra,
God bless you and all sisters here, I think you are good proof for how are Muslim women feel.
I really envy you for being convert, not born Muslim, God will reward you for that, I wish I could have the same reward like you.
Gazzaky Allah Khyran.
Mohamed,God bless you too brother :)
Bless y’all. Bless y’all too. While the happy blessings are going around the table, pasta with fresh diced tomato sauce be upon you and yars.
Yeah right. See that other recent thread about god and the weather for a god’s “blessings”. Ridiculous.
See http://venganza.org for the real true sauce on god.
The hijab wearing days are numbered,Muslim women must brace themselves for this coming period when your actions are going to be the scale of measurement,rather than the way you appear.This scarf is meant for modesty and so forth.I have never been attracted to a woman and found her more attractive after lifting her veil,which I have done many times. They usually wear it to hide unwanted hair and blemishes etc.Muslims,my foot..
Hello i was browsing the web and came across “Take This Hijab And Shove It!â€
If someone wants to put on hijab let them don’t talk about.If someone doesnt want to put it on then thats fine but don’t talk about it.There are much bigger issues in this world then talking about what a muslim woman chooses to put on or not.
We should just be judged by our hearts not by our appearance.
People speak of Muslim women being oppressed just because they cover themselves, but no one considers the oppression many western/european/whatever women experience to look a certain way and to have a certain figure. Do people realize that these ideas of beauty are forced on young girls? Everywere you go, girls (and boys) are bombarded with images and pictures of what the ideal girl/boy should look like. And you think that it’s absolutly horrible that muslim girls cover themselves up? In wearing the hijab, a muslim woman respects herself and doesn’t allow herself to be judged by her appearnce, doesn’t allow herself to be treated like a some sort of sex symbol where men lust over her mindlessly and doesn’t give in to society’s twisted ideas of beauty.
“WARNING: This post is nothing more than a rant. The sole pupose of this piece is to share my honest opinion without logic and/or reasoning :)” …the most truthful statement you’ve made thus far.
Hello Harmony, ina, and Sara,
Interesting, you support one form of self expression, how one dresses, and condemn another, free speech. I happen to be of the same opinion of ina,
But think that applies to western dress as well. Sara holds a double standard in this regard. She considers all who choose not to cover themselves and weak minded women who are incapable of ignoring media ideals.
Sorry, Sara, the data is not on your side. Basically, scientists studied eating disorders in both hijab-wearing Iran and in sex-image-saturated America. Guess what? There were no difference. In fact another study shows that in Iran, where exposure to Western media and culture is limited, women are actually more concerned with their body image, and want to lose more weight, than their American counterparts.
The myth that exposure to Western media and culture creates an unhealthy body-image for women is false! Furthermore, the hijab does nothing to protect women from a negative body image.
If women choose to cover themselves, for whatever reason, it’s fine with me. Wear whatever you want. What I object to is women being forced to dress a certain way, like in Iran. And if you do choose to wear a hijab, don’t claim that western women are oppressed. They are not. Oppression occurs when choice is taken away and placed with those in power.
Sidfaiuw,
I think you didn’t read the whole posts here, people started express sympathy on how Mulsims women oppressed and how they wear Hijab, and many other stuff, so the Muslims women God bless them, they have noe opperssion in doing so, on contrary the explained their feeling about doing the opposite.
I think they have the right to defend them self, and show different kind of facts other people might didn’t realise, like a lot of girls die every year because they want to be skinny, and they want to be slaves for men desiers.
Hello Mohamed,
Oh I know many Muslim women choose to wear the hijab with no oppression or coercion. I have no problem with that. But negative self-body image that leads to self-starvation is as much of a problem in cultures that wear the hijab. Check the links I provided. The studies suggest that the tendency for women to make themselves sexually attractive to men is genetic, not cultural and that no amount of covering up can change that. Furthermore, about the same small percentage of women in all cultures take this tendency to unhealthy extremes and develop eating disorders.
What I object to is the implication made my Sara and others that western women are oppressed based on behavior shared by all cultures when there is no enforced dress code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Law_and_custom_by_country
it seems it’s being enforced in some countries. that sure smells of oppression to me…
Boris,
Didn’t you see that the women how answered was a convert women mostly lives in USA, so there is opperssion applied to them, everybody knows there are one or two countries oppress people to do it.
Here the ducission were mostly a convert women, who expressed their opinion, so your link doesn’t conside valuable.
Ok Listen…I am not muslim…but i know muslim and I have studied the Koran to some point…these woman in this picture…if they were opressed you think their husband would be letting them out to have fun…they choose to cover, it is in the Koran that woman should be modest…they want to, they aren’t being made too. I just don’t get why someone has to put so much effort into someone else life style…if you dont like it dont do it…but they do, so they cover, it is their culture, religion and life style…why do you wear bathing suit and show yourself to men?? for attention…muslim woman swim too …sometimes even in bathing suits/bikinis…just not around men, they do not want to distract attention to cause someone to think bad thoughts (this is why there is so much divorce/adultry in the western countries)…I personally appreciate the fact that these woman are so strong willed that they dont care what others think and only what matters is what God thinks in the hereafter. I look up to these woman!!!
Okay, Melanie, here it is again for at least the 10th time…
1. We already know that some women choose to cover themselves and that is fine with most of us.
2. There are many places where women are required to cover themselves (e.g. Iran). We find this oppressive.
Plus a bit of new research…
3. Women who wear the hijab are just as image-conscious as their western counterparts. Your claim that “these woman are so strong willed that they dont care what others think” is patently false.
i don’t have a good englesh, but i want give my opinion, first this is a good subject,
Korgan
u have a long way to cross to understand, i think u can find time and start
we have to spend time, money, and other things to complete our knowledge, for who is foreigner i want give just a exemple; take a part of a meat cocked it, and expose it in ur house window,after that every one want to have it, to eat it,or just to tuch it u can see that’ll be polluted, but if u have put it in box or can, sure it will be saved for a long time, it ‘ll be ate in the adequat time, without being polluted or ..
so the women are the meat, there cover give them the protection,
the big raison that people don’t see behide that:
la faiblesse des hommes qui ne pourra jamais supporter la beauté des femmes découverte, et specilement ceux qui n’ont pas de la foi en dieu, et même cetrains d’entre eux, qui sont croyants mais, malheureusement ils ne savent pas se retenir devant une femme semi couverte, et c’est très naturelle, puisque dieu a bien fais en demandant aux femmes de se couvrir et aux hommes de baisser leur regards.
voyons: le taux de devorce est bien puissant aux pays oxidentals, et ce pour probleme d’adultere, d’exitation hors mariage, … les problemes de violence, de viole..et tout ce sont a 1000000000% des concequences direstes ou indirct de ce que les gent porte.
for who said, that cloths are not necessaire te judge people, sorry i think this is the first thing that people see about u, if u have meeting, or an interview, sure u’ll be so class to plaise ur unterviwer, but it depent to doing what, if u want win job sure u’ll be in level, but muslim people want to win the life after death,to win love god to them, this is the difference between us, we live for the end but u live for present.
bety_bass said “the women are the meat”. Classic.
But, as she said, she is just offering her opinion… that women are pieces of meat that need to be covered until it’s time to be enjoyed. I just don’t have any respect for that opinion.
So basically, you have resigned yourself from this life and you only care of what might bring you goodies after you die, regardless of what those actions might cause in this life.
No wonder people are afraid of religious people who cannot be trusted to be lived with.
says
it’s up to u to respect or no opinions, but sure my answer “my opinion” that i wrote means that i desagree what u and others said,who said that women covered dont enjoyed there times, thy live like every women in the world, they did all they hopp and want, more than that they are free to decover them selves, but u can see that they don’t!!Why??? it’s clair, they are consience that’s the truth(some thing true), if u were women, sure u r going to be descover!! for who!!! to plaise ur self or for other reasons???
Jagannath
our life is so beautiful to live, to do all we can for who need, hijab’s not going to live, to get married, to work, to eat and to have children, every where u have the same activities, the difference we can find it in the methode or the way how we do/did its, they are some who like to have one husband to be fidele(i don’t no the meaninig in englesh) to her, the same for the hasband, and u can find other like who want to have a lot off girl friend whit who he can do all, i don’t want to give u the result u can use ur mind, who is the good exemple, this is the difference between us, the cover is the signe to have a human conscience that the first exemple is wrrong, the cover is one thing from a lot=it give rules to have a good life with good constitution, to win the end.
I don’t know may be betty mean something good, but his\her English is not helping, I know this feeling.
People don’t come hard on him. at least he is trying to express him self.
thank u mohamed
i’m so sorry
i can not give more than this with my lunguage, if i used frensh or spanish it could be claire to me but not to u.
women with hijab can do all, it not stopped them to have a good life, and enjoyed it, to have succes in it..
in life there are a lot of way, every one is free to have a choice.
bety_bass,
I know you can express your what you want to say better in french and Spanish, but at least you are trying, which is really good.
God bless you.
1) Would somebody please give me the portion of the Qu’ran/Koran that demands hajib on women?
2) I have looked at every country’s statistics I can find, and I find no difference in the morality of the nations of the least-clothed, and that of the heaviest-garbed. The simple fact is that you are only treated like a piece of meat when you encourage it with actions. If you are cooing and blowing kisses and batting your eyelashes and bending provocatively, then you will receive sexual attention.
3) Those that say it is a choice to wear the hajib: did you ever make that choice? Or was it made for you?
None of this means any disrespect to anyone, these are serious questions, and a short statement of fact.
Questions, rebuttals, and other things gleaned from previous comments:
“all athiests are ignorant bastards, who cant see the obvious signs that a God actually exists, if God didnt exist, then how comes: that word is in every single language, every person knows about ‘God’ and every religion that exists has a God?”
Because every religion has forced itself upon the heathens, every religion has been adapted into every language to ensure the message is spread. That is why God is in every language, and found everywhere.
Also, atheists are rarely ignorant bastards. Generally, they have to reach the conclusion themselves, and that requires the ability to think, something blind faith does not require.
“If you’re athiests, then quit slagging off people with religions, I’ve NEVER heard anyone slagging off athiests, like the way you do to Muslims, etc”
The vast majority of voters in America would absolutely refuse to elect an atheist president, even if his qualifications far outweighed those of his opponent. Atheists are the least trusted minority, and indeed, a Muslim has a better chance of being elected. Further, atheists are persecuted by far more people than any religion. Keep in mind: atheism is NOT a religion.
“I’m a funny guy, and I know a lot of funny people, and some with weird sense of humor, but I really don’t see how pretending to be God and making fun of a prophet funny. it is things like this that make people go to hell. ask urself one thing for me, do u deserve to live. there’s more to life than staring at bikini models at the beach. I’m so sure you have a terribly boring excuse of a life. having said that, i am sure most guys think covered girls are even more attractive. so tell me, if ur sis or mom dresses a bikini, how great u must feel when I tell u that every guy takes a look at her wants to FUCK her. how fuckin cheap is that.”
Yes, he deserves to live. He made a fucking joke. It made people laugh. Imagine how luxurious your life is, that you can be offended by a joke.
It is very simple: Dress does not equal sexual attraction, it is in the attitude, indeed, only the truly lecherous will go after someone wearing a bikini that is not SHOWING OFF, and by this I mean, perhaps throwing their shoulders back, perhaps trying to catch eyes, acting seductive. Further, if my mother dressed in a bikini, I would not have anything to say on the subject. And, no, not every guy would want to fuck her, even if we take homosexuals out of the equation, there is a lot more to it.
“There are no athiests on the battlefield.”
First: atheists.
Second, there are always atheists on the battlefield, atheists are the most pervasive group in history, the lack of belief is the only one that may have been in every battlefield in history. Why? Because they have to fight for their country, or whatever ideal they feel they must fight for.
And, atheists generally don’t start wars, thus they don’t have to fight them.
“It’s not proved, it’s just punch of stupid theories don’t even convince a small kid, seriously it’s a joke that there is somebody beleives in Evolution and big bang as an explanation for human-being existence.”
Evolution is a theory. Theories are the best explanation that we have been able to come up with for an EXISTING PHENOMENON, and are subject to rigorous and frequent testing. Not accepting the truth of evolution is the stupidity. And, here’s a neat thing, theories can change. For example, when the theory of evolution was first created, the mechanism of transferring it was unknown, now we know that is carried out through mutations in the genetic code being passed on to the next generation.
-No disrespect to anyone except the idiots.-
If anyone cares that desperately: I’m an atheist.
The passages are below:
“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.†(Quran 7:26)
“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.†(Quran 24:31).
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.†(Quran 33:59)
In Islam, however, there is debate about whether hijab is mandatory. (Just like some Catholics strongly believe in chastity until marriage while others coudn’t care less.)
Other still simply believe it is a good deed that will earn you a higher place in the eyes of Allah or heaven.
In Iran however (where these pictures were taken), it is illegal to go with out hijab and there are secret police whose job it is to enforce the hijab. I personally i find it morally repugnent to force anyone to wear the hijab, but it if people want to wear it than it is their choice and their business alone. Also, we should note that wearing a “burkini” or an islamic swimsuit (the real swimsuits.. not just a whole lot of long clothes) is almost exactly the same as wearing a wetsuit/rashguard with a hat/hood to cover your hair.
So leave these women alone– they dress in the manner they do in order to gain some solitude, so please give them just that.