UPDATE 9/19/2006 – Original clip is now active again!
If you’re a parent like me and are desperately seeking new and exciting ways to entertain your children… then today is your lucky day! This summer, why don’t you send your little boy or girl to the Kids on Fire Summer School and Ministry in Devil’s Lake, North Dakota. Here, your child (as young as 6) will learn the proper way to be a born again Christian. They will become well versed in political activism and radical views.
Still not sure if it’s right for your precious little ones? Luckily, A&E films has created an extensive documentary on the camp so just sit back and enjoy. If after viewing you’ve decided to have your kids saved, then please sign them up and tell them gasmonso sent you to receive %20 off! Now please, just kick back and enjoy this truly horrific beautiful video clip.
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Hello KatherineEdgar,
Forgive me for quoting you at length, but as my comment will be on a separate page than yours, I thought it would be convenient for any readers.
Since you are addressing me in this portion of your comment, please allow me to respond. First, in the interest of full disclosure, I must tell you that I have no children. Thus some of my opinions on the topic should rightfully be suspect. If and when I do have kids, I’m sure I will fear for their safety and health. I believe that is a natural part of parenthood.
I think alcari got it right: education is better than fear, if the goal is influencing adolescent behavior. Let me take an example. I, like most parents, would teach my children to look both ways before crossing a street. I would explain that they need to watch out for cars that can injure them. That is educating them about the possible negative consequences of crossing without looking. If I were to use the fear-mongering methods used in the video to warn my kids about crossing the streets it would sound something like this:
“God wants you to look both ways before crossing the street. If you do not obey God, SATAN will send a car to run you over! Satan always targets little boys and girls just like you.”
I hope this example helps you see the difference between education and fear-mongering. I will educate my children about the risks of many behaviors, such as unprotected sex. But all of us take risks everyday. The real goal is to enjoy life while minimizing the risks. Most of us take our biggest risk everyday by driving to work. Automobile accidents are the leading cause of premature death in many places in the industrialized world, including America. Yet we are willing to take that risk regularly to hold down a job that enables us to better out lives. Instead of making our children afraid of those risks, we should teach them to balance the long-term risk/reward consequences of their actions.
Seriously, that is sick shit. I dont know what it is with america (and i know i’ll get flamed and told ‘not all americans are like that’ etc) but that shit just aint cool. fucks sake, what is it with your country?? i libe in australia, have lived in europe (UK) as well as the US, and its really creepy how many deluded religious people you have over there. really creepy. i mean, didnt they realise just how bad that jesus rap was at the start and to join the dots? lol.
Hello to all:
I am new to this site only because I like to do research about topics, which include locating and disseminating positive and negative information. I have viewed the video and I don’t understand what all of you guys are referring to when you speak of a fear based camp of drones out to run amuck as radical jihad, with no concern for other life. We all have the ability to discern information, some less than others, but none the less everyone has that ability. What I have observed is people airing their beliefs to children of their faith. What is so different from their teaching their children and the parernts of atheists, muslims, hindus, jews, bahai’s, jehovahs witnesses, wicken’s (which most of us hide when we see them come to our doors)teaching their children? This is not hatred all of you are clearly mistaken. These children are not fearful, no not the least. If you listen closely to the words of the children, they are commanding satan to release his hold of specific “demonic” forces. Christians are taught that the devil/satan/the enemy tactic is to steal, kill and destroy everything he touches. Christians also believe that by being born again through their belief and the baptism of the Holy Spirit they also partake in the power over sin and death. I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Not infecting other with blatant ignorance is also a choice. All religions have a part of Christian principles tied into them. Muslim faith was started by an illegitimate offspring of Abraham. The principles that the Bible has, everyone has used, scrutinzied, misused, or clinged to. Why are they so wrong with teaching their children their beliefs? I have children and i take great caution in regards to the information my children receive. Everything is not meant to be thrust upon babes. But your beliefs are the foundations of your character, integrity and position in life. By the way, money answers all things. For the person that says that churches are money hungry: it takes money to thrive in any economy, life, or sect. You are truly confused if you don’t think this is a reality. Churches are no different. There are pastors, teachers, evangelists, that are working two jobs and find time to share their beliefs with others. Every country (except canada :)) homosexuality is an abomination. It is against the law of procreation. That too is a choice, and people make their choices based on past experiences. So what. Some of your comments are really anal. In essence, all of you on this site have preached hatred. Either to each other or another person. Everyone on this site has an issue with racism, classism, or sexism. Everyone has faults. People are starving, killing eachother in the name of thier GOD, genocide is stronger than every. Why would you pick something so miniscule, let them believe what they choose and you can continue to believe what you believe. Because until you are free from all issues, none of you have the power to judge.
allroundthinker.
First things first. Paragraphs are your friend, those of us with dislexia will be gratefull.
the fact that these kids are being to “believe in God, or else…”. What else would you call that, if not fear-based?
What do you mean by this? If you mean that we have the ability to seperate thruth from fiction, then it’s just not true.
Nothing is different. All forms of indoctrination are wrong, no matter what form it takes. I plan to raise my future children to think critically, have an open mind and form their own opinion. You say we’re all entitled to that, I would say that everyone should be allowed to FORM their own opinion, based on all information.
You mean that all monotheistic religions are based on a previous form? before making claims about Christianity, I’d advice you to take a look at Judaism, which is a lot older and on which Christianity is mostly based, and before that Zoroastrianism.
Everything. First you claim that everyone should have their opinion, but then you limit the ammount of information your children recieve. How is this any different from indoctrinating them? How is anyone supposed to form an objective opinion about anything if you select what information is available to them?
Would you please quote me this so-called “law of procreation”?
I have no problem at all with whatever fairytale they choose to believe. I have a problem with the indoctrination of children, using methods that are forbidden by the Geneva Convention. I have a problem with people thrusting their unfounded beliefs on others and forcing them to act on it. I have a problem with people disrupting the lives of others, just because they think they have some god-given mandate to do so.
I have been a Christian from the age of three. I have been a born-again Christian from the age of five. I am very well educated. I have completed several courses about other religions and continue to know that Jesus Christ is my choice. The key words there are ‘my choice’. The problems with fundamentalist Christians are they forgot that Jesus Christ did not come to Earth and attempt to cram religion down people’s throats. I do not believe in abortion, although it is only my responsibility to inform a person of what I believe God would want her to do (of course this is to be done in a gentle manner not yelling at the clinic). It is between that person and God concerning what she actually does. I do not believe in homosexuality, although it is not my place to judge that person. What happened to the person with no sin casting the first stone? Even Christians sin; however, I think many forget that fact.
I will raise my children in the understanding that “Jesus is the way, the truth, and the lightâ€. That is also my right. Parents are to raise their children to be the best adult he or she can be; we all have some value learned from our parents. As a teenager, young adult, and currently I need to decide for myself what I believe. That is a parent’s responsibility; raise the child with the knowledge for him or her to make the right decision in the future.
Good for you, jdaly98. That is a Christian perspective I can respect.
I am, however, surprised you remained a Christian even after you studied other religions. What reasons do you stick with it? Be aware that I will likely challenge any answers you give in the spirit of debate. Your level of participation in that debate is entirely your choice :)
i’m… speechless
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that’s horrendous
I know some people that grew up like this- and guess what? 2 of them have stuggled with repressing homosexuality, one has turned away from the church to become a software engineer, and the other one is no longer my friend because she slept with 2 of my husbands friends while vacationing- oh did I also mention that she is a drug addict? She knows the bible backwards and forwards but shes been diagnosed with Borderline Personality disorder- all due to her parents religious cult upbringing.
I could go on and on about all of the hypocracy I have seen over the years due to “so called Chritianity”- one story even involves my mother telling me that if I converted to Judism, she would “never” talk to me again becuase she loves “Jesus” with all of her heart and soul. She later appoligized because she was out of line. In family growing up, my recollections of Catholic churc on Sunday was smelling the stale booze off of my fathers breath, my parents tension, resentment and guilt from their Saturday night partying. When a 7 year old hears a robed old man saying “this is the body and blood of Christ, come eat/drink” I have to admit it isnt a warm and fuzzy feeling, I knew even then that they were all freaks- so thats why I despise religion, that and the fact that everything they spew from their ignorant minds can be discredited.
To jdaly98: I respectfully ask you this question… You were a “Christian” at age three??? Interesting. I was still pooping in my Huggies at that age (I think). Quite amazing that you had such a firm and convictive grasp on what being a “Christian” was at such a tender age. And, lo and behold, nothing less than “born-again” at five. May I humbly suggest that you did NOT have a choice in those first few years. Whomever were your parents or guardians had no doubt pummeled you relentlesly with stories of fire and brimstone until your poor, “I’ll believe anything” 3 year-old brain had firmly locked in that concept. Irregardless of the logic you would develop later on. I’m surprised you didn’t go even further back and say you were a “born-again FETUS.” But, I guess, that wouldn’t make much sense, now would it? Kids of three and five need to be fingerpainting and watching Barney the dinosaur and playing with blocks. Not having to worry about whether their toddler-souls are going to burn in Hell.
To jdaly 98: Not that I’m targeting you exclusively, my friend, but you’ve provided such enticing fodder! Your comment of “I will raise my children with the understanding that…” is EXACTLY my point here. Religion, of whatever sort, can be likend to a bad gene that keeps getting passed on from one generation to the next. With your statement above it is obvious this “gene” is still alive and well. But the unfortunate thing about genes is that they don’t care if they do the person good or harm. They just do. Here’s a thought… Why not wait until your children can fully understand what religions even ARE before forever branding them as what YOU think they should be. Doing otherwise is nothing less than child abuse in my opinnion.
Oh, and by the way, I am an atheist, a progressive-liberal AND… shhh… A HOMOSEXUAL! I bet you’re not surprised there. So grateful to know I will simply cease to exist when I die. Quite comforting, really. I did not exist before I was conceived and I will return to that state after I take my last breath. I wouldn’t want to live “forever” anyway. I mean, what if I got bored of tending sheep after several billion years?
alcari is right. A lot of us here seem to be paragraphically challenged. I will try to do better.
Now, I will probably get a lot of flak for this but I must say it…
I keep reading the obligatory “Jesus died for my sins.” in this forum. OK. Certainly a well known part of the story. My question, as an atheist, is this:
Yes, he may have “died” on the cross. Being in mortal form at the time, this is possible. But was his “suffering” truly any worse than any other mortal of the time who could have taken his place that day? Did he suffer a greatly magnified amount of pain during his crucifiction in order to atone for the billions of future humans to come? Unless there is something I missed, I think not.
Point two: Was Jesus aware prior to his death that he would be “resurrected” days later? Or was this kept from him to increase his anguish?
Point three: He was supposedly brought back to life and then ascended to heaven, right?
So…
Could someone of “faith” please explain what the great “sacrifice” was? Us mere mortals die by the thousands every day. Sometimes during heroic acts to save others and sometimes in states of fear and pain far, far worse that Jesus could have known during his crucifiction.
So the ultimate question I am asking is:
What’s the big deal?
Badgerbear,
I’m an atheist now, but I used to be Christian.
The story that I learned goes that Jesus suffered for our sins in a super-human way in the Garden of Gethsemane before the crucifixion. The ides is that, yes, he suffered for our sins in a way not possible by a human. Then a couple days later, he also died for our sins. Then a few days after that, the resurrection overcame the sins. He knew in advance that all of this would happen and chose to go through with it cause he loves us.
I hope this clarifies this part of the mythology for you a bit. It’s a common enough mix-up for non-Christians and Christians alike.
Thanks, Andrew
I must admit I had not even heard of the Garden of Gethsemane.
Now I know.
Peace
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I have been an ATHEIST (which, of course, simply means a non-theist) from the age of three. Then five. And now 48. ALL children are born atheists. Every one on the planet. It’s the parents and local “culture” who program the little darlings so effectively with all this BS.
If you were a Muslim parent, I’ll bet the farm that ALLAH would be the truth and the light. No doubt about it. And our Christian “God” is a fallacy.
So let’s kill the infadels, shall we?
See, we atheists dwell in the REAL world. We don’t have any more hatred of “God” or “Jesus” than we do the tooth fairy or Humpty Dumpty. All all fictional. But when these so-called “harmless” religions do HOLY battle, what do you get? That’s right! DEATH. Lots and lots of death! Then, if you haven’t worhipped him sufficiently, eternal damnation and suffering. But God loves you! Unless you piss him off. Then get ready for lakes of molten brimstone to burn the flesh off your bones for all eternity.
Gee… Now I’m starting to understand the attraction! Sign me up!
Here’s a delightful website that all you of “faith” might find enlightening: http://www.evilbible.com Think the bible is “compassion and love?” Think again, my misled friends. Check out the site. If you dare. The Koran is, no doubt, the same type of sadistic “follow or suffer” mentality. Except with Allah you’ll have 101 virgins waiting for you as soon after the bomb taped to your chest explodes. A perk you won’t find in Christianity.
Rediculous, you say?
Disturbingly, no more rediculous than what’s in between the covers of the Bible.
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Has anyone looked around at our nation latley? Just decades ago we were God fearing people and we did not have all this madness. There were NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, NO GANG BANGERS, NO DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS, NO GAY MARRAIGE,NO CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES TAKING CHILDREN FOR SPANKING, NO COURT OVERLOADS OF JUVINILES. We were in fear of our parents not the law. We went to Church on Sunday and we raised our children as a community under God. My children are 24,21,18 and 9 and they are all Christians by choice not by force. But I have raised them to know there is a higher power and what i believe the rest is up to them. I think it is plan neglect to do other wise. To you athist who say we are crazy do you ever stop and think what if? Don’t you think your children should have that choice. We are not all radical in fact look around i bet the best people you now the ones who help others and the ones who show love to all are Christians. I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! and I would love to spend a little time with you to show you. I will and do pray for your unsaved souls.
Hello linda,
First off, look up the “Post hoc, ergo propter hoc” fallacy, it’ll open up a whole world for you.
1 – [Citation Needed]
2 – how do those things correlate? In countries like Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Iceland etc there are many more atheists, and not nearly as many shootings, rape, crimes. How do you explain this?
Blegh. Pascal’s wager is a LAME argument, and it’s faulty as well.
Yes, I do. However, apearently you don’t. Indoctrination IS NOT free choice. If you really wanted your children to make their own choice, you would teach them to look for information for themselves, examine it critically and then make up their own minds.
What you seem to be doing is telling your kids to believe in God, or else… Indoctrinating young children is easy, everything what mom says is true, so if you tell teach them just to blindly accept everything the bible/priest says, they will do that.
You know, I just did a quick count. I know many, many more kind, friendly atheists then I know Christians. There is however another reason I like atheists more. A Christian does good acts because they think god wants them to and will punish them otherwise, while an atheist does good deeds because they want to out of their own motivation.
You’re free to do and believe whatever you want, as long as you don’t bother others with it. I’d love to spend a little time with you to show you why christianity is just another myth in a long line of fictional-sky-fairy crowd control measures by bronze-age nomads.
You pray for me and I’ll think for you.
Linda —
Actual reported crime statistics aside (America *isn’t* the stand-alone leader in crime in the Inudstrialized World when one looks at per capita numbers, for example), “decades ago” pedophilia went on unnoticed and unabated, as well as a host of other evils.
I am not arguing that certain trends are not disturbing, nor that there are many foolish policies and bits of wishful thinking that harm our society; what I am arguing that there has not been demonstrated a cause/effect relationship in the case of “social ills” vs. “irreligion.” Ice cream sales and rape have a very high positive correlation (as one goes up, so does the other; same for the converse), but that doesn’t mean that ice cream sales *cause* rape.
It is common for humans to look for a root cause where they want to see one . . . and they usually wind up convincing themselves that their pre-judged opinion is “proven.” What is harder is to sift through data to discover that there are *many* causes for our problems (it is, after all, a complex world).
To lay the blame for our social ills at the feet of atheism (or agnosticism, or Islam, etc.) is just pernicious nonsense.
Thank you for your prayers. Good thought never hurt anyone. I hope you and yours have a good life and can see past differences to work with others to create a better world. That world, however — with a few exceptions — is not in the past.
Watching the documantary about the ‘kids on fire’ camp was one of the most disturbing things I have seen in a long time, and I struggle to understand how anyone could put children through it. If they believe their path is the right one why do they need to force it so horrifically down the throats of the most impressionable people about. Surely they should be able to trust that a religion they believe to be so perfect would speak for itself, To me the treatment of those poor children boardered on abuse.
If you are a saved Christian (Holy Spirit filled) then you will like the Jesus Camp. If you are empty inside, (NO spirit of God in you, never saved) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand the things of God. The bible talks about you as having a veil over your eyes…BLINDED from the truth!!! PLEASE, if this is you, take a day off of work, get a New Testament, get cozy and read through it! I did 4 years ago and I gave my heart to Jesus…He filled me with his spirit and a few days while praying to him alone in my bedroom he appeared to me!! Jesus is real and he is coming soon…Will you be left behind?
Do you know where your soul will go when you die?
Are you more concerned with your 50-70-90 years on earth or your ETERNAL destination?…Billions and billions of years…NEVER ending in FIRE or in PARADISE? I mean what is your short liftime compared to ETERNITY?? Our life is not more then a blink of an eye.
So, of course you don’t want to be in fire for ALL eternity. To make sure you are eternally secure follow these simple steps.
#1) Buy a bible
#2) Get comfortable somewhere in your home where you will not be disturbed. Open up to the New Testament and read it. It is good to use a bible highlighter to highlight passages that stand out for you. (The bible highlighter won’t bleed throught the pages)
#3) You can do this AFTER reading the New Testament or NOW if you are ready:
Say this following prayer out loud to God with all your heart, repenting of all your past sins, inviting Jesus into your heart, and handing over your will to his. He will in turn fill you with his spirit, save you, and give you the promise of eternity with him in his heaven and eventually the New Jerusalem where we will reign with him FOREVER.
HERE IS THE PRAYER: (If you are not ready now, you can cut and paste this to Word Perfect, or whatever other program you have to save it):
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Dear God, I believe you sent your son Jesus Christ to die for my sins. Jesus I believe you are Lord and you died on the cross to cleanse me of my sins, and I believe you rose again on the third day. In this moment I am asking you to forgive me of every sin that I have ever committed in my life. I am sorry. Jesus, I do not want to go to hell when I die. Please save me from this and fill me with your Holy Spirit. I hand over my life to you. I give you all my life and will follow you the rest of my life. Jesus, please come into my heart. Please wash away the sins of my past with your precious blood and make me new. I give you all my mind, heart and soul. Please help me discover what your will is for my life. Please guide me for the rest of my life by your holy spirit. Please write my name in the book of life. I surrender to you Lord Jesus. Thank you for my salvation. Thank you because I have just been saved and am now your child. Amen
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#4) Find a Bible believing/ Bible following Christian church that has a bible study and begin to attend this church and bible study group. ( I will help you find a church in your area! Email corking@live.com
#5) Talk to the Pastor about getting Baptized.
#6) That is it :-))
Howdy all,
Some people just can’t see it from the other side can they. We cannot question their beliefs as that is offensive to them. However they can question our beliefs. They can do this becuase it is part of their beliefs and therefore allowed. (Yes I did get that from Sid’s site)
Cheers
Simon Bond
It is my belief that I can question them and, in fact, everything in the world. I find it offensive that anyone would deny me this. Therefore, I am allowed to question them and they are allowed to be offended.
Rebecca, re your post 223, thanks for your possibly well-intended cut and paste job, but you’ll have to do better than reciting your tiresome bible-belting drivel here.
First, read up on Pascal’s Wager to understand why your initial premise “To make sure you are eternally secure…” doesn’t pass Go. There are better and more entertaining gods than the one you prescribe. Try e.g. here for a better chance for your eternal salvation. Well, a tastier one, anyway.
Second, much of the readership here has already read the bible in both its absurd testaments plus various (mis)translations and versions, and soundly rejected it as fiction combined with wishful thinking.
Why do you think that a purportedly omnipotent being has any need for a book, and such a badly flawed one as the bible at that, to get its message across to beings that it, as purported god, has complete control over?
Religion is ridiculous
Without comment – Christianity
Btw hell(heaven) is there only for christians.
You made hell, you will come there after your death..
There is no way how we others can go to that fictional place from some fairytale..
I’ve never seen a better argument for forced sterilization. Rather than be allowed to abuse children (something most churches are good at anyway) like that, these absolute idiots sould never be alowed to have them in the first place. The truely worrying part is that these low-IQ Christian mongs are outbreeding the rationalists by a large margin. Pick your battles too: Harry Potter is a threat? To what? Christian book sales? Morons.
since you mention, forced sterilization. I want to add this link concerning “UN body OKs call to curb religious criticism” You say what -we wacky Christians are at it again. May I suggest Ex Bootneck that you as you said,”Pick your battles too: Harry Potter is a threat?” I don’t care if this is out of context but let you blokes know that we care.
UN body oks to curb RF criticism, is this clear enough coming from a delusional fool(as pwg said)?!
Yeah, that’s right we want to curb religious criticism and we Christians want to control you- *spooky right* i suggest that you be afriad be very afraid because we want to control your freedom from reading junk. We need to wake-up and smell the tea pot and see what that smell is. I am holding the tea pot if your looking for it;)
I’m going to paste this link to the Islam cartoons since I feel it is appropriate. So, if your interested I hope you click it and find out, what or if it is a generation off or not?!
The only true religion is Odin’s way, from the beginning of earth Odin is on our side
My daughter’s an atheist. She’s a straight A student who has gotten awards for her good citizenship. Most people assume she’s a Christian girl, but she sets them straight. Part of the secret to her success is that I remind her if she misbehaves, I’ll send her to Jesus Camp. I’m not a Christian, she’d sure consider it punishment. I don’t know why. I think she’d find it entertaining.
Look, I should probably not be posting, i am young by most standards, 16 actually, but I just wanted to say I was disgusted by the contents of this movie, I just watched it and i think that these are the kids that will be walking around in 10 or 15 years with AK-47s in the street, blowing themselves up in the name of god and so on. I noticed that in this movie they literaly compared themselves to Islam. “In Islam, they train they’re children from the age of 5, why shouldn’t we?” (I’m pretty sure that is the exact quote) well I don’t know, maybe because they are BLOWING THEMSELVES UP!!! And I know most readers on here are most likely going to dismiss me as immature, and I admit that, due to my age, some of my views are still developing. But in direct relation to the subject of this movie, all that I can say is what the hell happened to free thought? I appreciate anyone who took the time to read this, Thank You.
BrandonP
You are right, that is exactly what this camp was about, it is even directly said in there (do not remember exact wording).
The leader of the camp was saying asking what the interviewer what he thinks is happening in the madrases (not sure if it was implied or even said directly, that they are training terrorists) and that ‘we’ must meet their actions with equal actions aka train children to be willing to die for their faith.
It is always the other people who are supposed to die for the faith of these types of people.
jagannath
Yes, I remember something like that in there. I actually made this post only a few hours or so after I seen the movie, I just had to get my opportunity to rant and rave about it. But yes what most Americans don’t see is that there are Christian extremists as well as Muslim extremists and Jewish extremists. I think that, yes, action needs to be taken, but not against one group in the group. We need to take actions against ALL religious extremists groups, like Oklahoma city, that was a CHRISTIAN extremist group. But then again, like I said I’m only 16 not many people take me seriously.
Also, one more thing I would like to say; I have no idea where this Christian/Muslim bias is coming from. For starters, the Muslims came about after the Christians. AND THE MUSLIMS LIKED THE CHRISTIANS. They called them “people of the book” they were in reality no different then each other except Christians belived Christ was the savior, and Muslims though Mohammad was the savior. AND I LEARNED THAT IN 10TH GRADE SOCIAL STUDIES!!!! Is it really that difficult to comprehend that they are worshiping the same god??? just a different name (ALLAH = GOD IN ARABIC).
Apparently Allah does not equate god in everywhere;
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-38445120090311?sp=true
Short recap:
christian church uses allah instead of word god and muslims are getting mighty annoyed over it. It apparently causes confusion and some muslims cannot differentiate between christian church and a mosque.
Would that mean muslims cannot use word god as it might also confuse people? Christianity has used it longer, apparently. And X has used it even longer and Y longer than X.
The similarities are more of a separating factor than actually unifying thing. All religions have a god(s) and as the god concepts can be very similar in behavior and qualities the people do not accept them to be the same. It has something to do with humans desire to resist change, even if the change is positive. The materialistic nature of religions hangs tooth and nail on holy books even if they have in practice ignored the majority of the rules presented in the books. Add to the mix the xenophobic teachings in the holy books which validate dominating all those of not like us and you have modern day world.
But the extremes grow out of from various interpretations of bible and quran by each penny and dime preacher, mullah and what not. Christianity is so fragmented that it is a chore to even try to find out what each and every commenter means with the word christianity. Same goes with muslims who have the same problem. Even if they believe in few common items the rest is all up for grabs.
The variants which allow one thing, deny one thing and believe to be the only one having it right is not a suitable soil for harmonious growth.
Organized religion is very comparable to a field let to grow wild. There will be many different type of plants, weeds and grass. Majority will always be of the same type, some generic type of grass or weed but the different ones are what cause the problems. There will be nice flowers and not so nice burrs. The flowers, even if nice looking can often be poisonous to animals, the burrs, well you know what kind of problems those make.
And the kicker is this, field that is left to grow wild changes, after a while the original plants no longer grow there. The whole ecosystem has evolved to a state that is totally inimical to the original plants.
Lets assume there is a christian who believes in god but has discarded the bible, dogma and organization sans the golden rule. Would we have much trouble with such a person? Would he still be a believer? I would say he is and that is also the problem with many religious people today. They believe that atheism wants to take away their faith. What other atheists want, I do not know, but I would not mind them getting rid of the organizational aspect, the dogmatic aspect and specially the selectively literalism and return to the basics,
Your age is not a problem, you just have so much more time than older people to effect the change. Just set the goals to achievable as all human accomplishments are build upon the gradual increase.
Overnight change is seldom beneficial as the weeding out process for faulty advances is missing.
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ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can’t hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can’…t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men.john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man.1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable.
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