UPDATE 9/19/2006 – Original clip is now active again!
If you’re a parent like me and are desperately seeking new and exciting ways to entertain your children… then today is your lucky day! This summer, why don’t you send your little boy or girl to the Kids on Fire Summer School and Ministry in Devil’s Lake, North Dakota. Here, your child (as young as 6) will learn the proper way to be a born again Christian. They will become well versed in political activism and radical views.
Still not sure if it’s right for your precious little ones? Luckily, A&E films has created an extensive documentary on the camp so just sit back and enjoy. If after viewing you’ve decided to have your kids saved, then please sign them up and tell them gasmonso sent you to receive %20 off! Now please, just kick back and enjoy this truly horrific beautiful video clip.
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“Are you afraid yet little children? NO?!?! Then you’re not paying attention!”
Seriously, telling these young people that “The Devil goes after the young” is nothing short of fear-mongering. The ONLY purpose of causing undue fear is for the purpose of manipulation. These kids are made to believe that if they don’t agree with everything these adults are telling them, then some powerful and evil mythological creature is going to get them.
WARNING: If rants annoy you, stop reading here.
Fear is the enemy of free choice. If you are made to fear all alternative save one, you truly have no choice in the matter. I’m finding it tough to articulate the level of disdain I have for people who use fear as a motivator. It’s just plain evil. Here in the US, fear is now peddled in our churches, government, and news (especially local news). I’m fed up with it! I’m not afraid of hell (there is no such thing), I’m not afraid of terrorists (I’m much more likely to die during my daily commute), and I’m not afraid of crime (I take sensible precautions)! All of these groups are trying to limit our freedom. The church wants to take away an individual’s right to make moral choices. The government wants to take away privacy and due process. The evening news subtlety or indirectly supports stronger police powers by over-inflating the importance and frequency of crime (because it gets ratings). I am so angry at this culture of fear that it boarders on hatred. I do not want to hate these people (I try not to hate anyone), but my tolerance apparently has limits. If you fear hell, save your own soul, don’t force me to save mine. If you fear terrorism and crime, go live in a bunker, don’t suspect me without cause and don’t punish anyone for what they might do.
I, for one, am more than willing to risk a terrorist attack in order to enjoy my freedom to the fullest, live my life according to moral principles that I believe, and walk through my city despite the small risk of becoming a victim of crime. I short, I REFUSE TO BE AFRAID!
Notice some general trends over the past decade and a half in this country:
Violent crime is way down.
Prison populations are swelling.
Reporting of violent crime is way up.
Civil liberties are on the decline.
Did I mention that violent crime is way down?
Glad to see you back in good form sidfaiwu! It’s not the same when you’re gone ;)
On a serious note though, I find this camp to be absolutely disturbing. Treating kids in such a manner is sick. The funny thing I bet most of their parents criticize Muslim extremists, when they themselves are equally insane. This country (read:US) is screwed if this crap takes off mainstream.
My hope is that someone who supports this will speak up and explain themselves.
gasmonso
sidfaiwu said: “Seriously, telling these young people that “The Devil goes after the young†is nothing short of fear-mongering. The ONLY purpose of causing undue fear is for the purpose of manipulation. These kids are made to believe that if they don’t agree with everything these adults are telling them, then some powerful and evil mythological creature is going to get them.”
In another situation, I would agree with you. But you need to keep in mind that these adults actually believe what they are telling their children. They honestly believe that the devil is out there actively trying to screw up their children’s lives. So when they tell these children that “the devil goes after the young,” what they’re honestly trying to convey to their children is, “the devil will try to screw up your lives in various ways, so beware and actively pursue righteousness.” While you may view this as no less sad, it paints the adults in a considerably less evil light than your assumption that they’re merely trying to turn their children into mindless drones through fear.
sidfaiwu said: “The church wants to take away an individual’s right to make moral choices.” and: “If you fear hell, save your own soul, don’t force me to save mine.”
I’ve been a southern baptist church member since I was very young and I have yet to experience any church I’ve attended trying to take away my freedom to make moral choices. All the churches have done in that regard has been to teach me what they believe to be the consequences for actions and beliefs that they view to be incorrect. Now, if you’re referring to politicians claiming affiliation with the church, then I agree with you.
Also, it is my belief, as a christian, that Jesus has saved my soul from hell. However, while I might want to tell friends and loved ones about this very personal thing that has been a benefit to me, I would never try to force anyone to believe as I do. In fact, I believe that attempting to do so is not only detrimental to the evangelical cause, but also damned annoying.
As for the rest of what you said, I pretty much agree with you. And I do believe that the people in the video are silly. There are more importants things to worry about than your kids reading/watching Harry Potter or listening to Lindsay Lohan.
UncleMidriff, just because these adults truly believe it, doesn’t make it any less wrong. Ignorance is no excuse. Look how many suicide bombers firmly believe that blowing up civilians is good and noble… does that make them any less evil?
No it doesn’t.
P.S Glad to have a Christian reader contributing! Thanks :)
gasmonso
The assertion made was that these adults are trying to use fear to manipulate these children, in order to control them. I think that is untrue.
If they were trying to do that, to control children through fear, but thought that doing so was a good thing, then I could see how your point applies to this situation. But they aren’t trying to control the control children through fear; they are trying to get the children to read less Harry Potter. :-)
Of course, I guess one could view trying to get children to read less of something as a form of control. I don’t. I see it as looking out for the children. For whatever reason, these people think that reading Harry Potter is bad. Though I think that idea is positively stupid, I don’t fault them for instructing their children to stay away from what they perceive as a threat.
I guess I don’t see the harm in telling kids to stay away from Harry Potter. Now, if these adults were telling the children to go kill the author of Harry Potter, that’d be a different story entirely.
P.S. Thank you! I’m glad to be here.
Okay, I’ve watched the video again and that lady does come awfully close to advocating the killing of warlocks. While I’m going to give her the beneift of the doubt and hope that she’s just speaking hyperbolically, she is way out of line and needs to shut up.
THIS SITE IS A BASTION OF BLASPHEMY AND I CONDEMN IT TO HELL BY THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. THE AUTHORS HERE ARE DOING THE DEVILS WORK AND THE WRATH OF GOD WILL BE UPON YOU. PRAISE HIS NAME!!
THIS CAMP SHOWS HOW WE MUST PROTECT OUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN FROM THE SATANIC FOLLOWERS SUCH AS THE READERS OF THIS SITE, SHAME BE UPON THEM!
JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD PROCLAIMED THAT WARLOCKS AND MUSLIMS ARE INDEED SOLDIERS OF THE DEVIL AND MUST BE ERADICATED FROM OUR MIDST! THE SATANIC ARABS AND MUSLIMS ATTACKED US ON 9/11 AND WE WILL NOT REST UNTIL THE VERY LAST ARAB MAN WOMAN AND CHILD IS DEAD AND CHRIST IS VICTORIOUS!! HALLELUJAH PRAISE HIM!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA
@ Warrior:
Cool! So you’re saying that Gasmonso and the readers of this site will be going to hell? Yes! Hell just got a lot more interesting than heaven!
See ya there, Gasmonso! Let’s start planning the party early!
Warrior from Christ is undoutbly a joke, though it’s no less funny even if it’s not meant to be.
“JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD PROCLAIMED THAT WARLOCKS AND MUSLIMS ARE INDEED SOLDIERS OF THE DEVIL”
My favorite part, considering Islam didn’t come about until well after the death of christ. :)
HELL IS NO JOKE SINNERS. KEEP LAUGHING AND YOU WILL BURN FOR ETERNITY. NOW IS THE TIME TO REPENT!!
JESUS IS THE LIVING GOD AND HE SPEAKS THROUGH HIS CHOSEN AND HAS COMMANDED THE DEATH OF THOSE BLASPHEMERS AND NON BELIEVERS WHO WAGE WAR ON US.
DID YOU KNOW ARABS WERE SPAWNED BY THE DEVIL HIMSELF?? ABRAHAM WAS SEDUCED BY HIS SERVANT GIRL SENT BY THE DEVIL AND ISHMAEL WAS BORN CURSE HIS NAME!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA
That is one sharp little girl at the beginning. She’ll last long as a christian.
just one question, who created the devil? and why?
yes I know it is a stupid question… but that just came to my mind right now =P
God created the devil to keep people like you in order! Now do as he says :)
Seriously, Christians see the devil as a fallen angel.
He was cast down to hell for waging war against God. That’s the simplified version :)
gasmonso
Hello UncleMidriff,
It is not what they are teaching the children that bothers me so much as how they are teaching them. They are trying to motivate kids by making them fear the devil. There are other methods that are much less subversive to free choice.Hello UncleMidriff,
It is not what they are teaching the children that bothers me as much as how they are teaching them. They are trying to motivate kids by making them fear the devil. There are other methods that are much less subversive to free choice.
Let’s take a child’s choice to read a J.K. Rowling novel for example. Instead of guiding them through any reasons Christianity would disapprove of the book or educating them on how to interpret everything they read from a Christian perspective, they instead tell them that if they read it, the devil will f&*# up their lives. This leaves them with no choice. They cannot choose to read the book because they are afraid that doing so will expose them to Satan. Using either of the other two methods will enable a child to still choose to read the book and then decide if the message was immoral or not. If they’ve been taught correctly (from a Christian perspective), then they will decide for themselves that reading such material is wrong.
Now a quick note on what they are teaching. Their condemnation of Harry Potter implies that anyone who reads such books has been ‘gotten’ by Satan. Implicit in this is that Harry Potter fans are to be considered evil or at least tainted. It’s a bad message.
Also, in reference to taking away moral choice; I was, indeed referring to the politicians that claim an affiliation with Christianity. That being said, the US is (at least in theory) is a representative democracy. Thus I am also referring the hoards of fundamentalists that have been voting those politicians into office for the purpose of legislating Christian morality. Furthermore, I am referring to political groups that advocate deontological laws. So while I agree that individually fundamentalists are not trying to subvert moral choice, collectively, they definitely are.
Side Note: God I love these sorts of discussions!
Exactly Sidfaiwu. One thing I don’t like is when people tell someone to do something for fear of reprisal. Now, while they might be teaching them something worthy and appropriate… they should explain why it is such.
For example, I don’t tell my son to stay away from the stove because he’ll go to hell if he doesn’t. I explain to him that it is dangerous and could result in injury, etc…
If these parents truly believe Harry Potter is evil, then explain yourself instead of using the fear of Satan to scare kids into agreeing with you.
It’s just insane.
gasmonso
I CALL FOR A JIHAD AGAINST THE WARRIOR FOR CHRIST!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
sidfaiwu: very well put!
“DID YOU KNOW ARABS WERE SPAWNED BY THE DEVIL HIMSELF?? ABRAHAM WAS SEDUCED BY HIS SERVANT GIRL SENT BY THE DEVIL AND ISHMAEL WAS BORN CURSE HIS NAME!!”
And how did you find out about this? Probably read it in some kind of book, like the one about Harry Potter.
Did you know that there are warlocks and witches living among us.
“Seriously, Christians see the devil as a fallen angel.
He was cast down to hell for waging war against God.”
That tells us something about how mighty God is. He can’t even keep his angels under control.
That girl in the beginning seems to be saying she doesn’t believe in guys and girls? And yet they exist. Isn’t that odd?
You can tell the Warrior for Christ posts are a joke because the words are all spelled correctly.
I swear, Christians are really out to take over the world. And they admit it.
Wow. This is like a look back into my childhood. I never actually went to church camp, but I went to enough “revivals” that my parents of course attended to have heard these types of canned sermons hundreds of times.
Fundamental Christianity is a religion built on two things: Fear and money. They try to sugar coat it with the “God Loves You!” message, but at the core, it’s beyond disturbing what is taught.
That is a really fair video to judge an entire Christian summer camp. I mean, the first half shows some kids singing and dancing. WHAT AN ATROCITY! The second half is one speaker that doesn’t like Harry Potter. OH NOES!
I’m glad I didn’t go there or I would have “become well versed in political activism and radical views.” I would be sitting outside of the White House AS WE SPEAK holding a sign that reads BURN POTTER.
Really now, I think that we can’t just let religious fervor alone. Religious fervor from Christianity is just as terrible as that of Muslims or Jews. We canot condone Christian extremeism as we condescend against that of Muslims. And really now, are we ignorant about the fact that church and state grow ever more entwined in this country. I am no atheist, but I damn well believe that the church should not have undue influence on the state.
Sometimes, I just feel the increadible urge to go to one of those meetings, and constantly ask “why?”, “How?” and “But isn’t that…?”
Most Christians hardly know what they “believe” and haven’t really thought about it either. Really, if you want to have a fun day AND piss of someone you probably won’t like, ask some who just came out of church why they believe.
“Seriously, Christians see the devil as a fallen angel.
He was cast down to hell for waging war against God.â€
That tells us something about how mighty God is. He can’t even keep his angels under control.
What it should instruct you in is a little something called “free will.”
I’ve never met anyone who actually thought their kids would be turned forever to the darkside for reading something written by J.K. Rowlings, but if I met one I would ask them if they also forbid their children from reading Shakespeare (double, double, toil and trouble) or Tolkein (also chock full of magic and magical creatures). It’s like Wal-mart… they won’t sell music with explicit lyrics but they’re happy to schlep the unrated version of American Pie. Hypocrits, every last one of them.
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I am a Christian. I didn’t even watch the video clip because religious extremists scare me.
I have only been to church a couple of times and didn’t like the people there who are very hypocritical.
However, that doesn’t change my beliefs. In response to Alcari, I wouldn’t be a fun Christian to “mess with.” If asked why I believe, I would say that deep down in my heart I always knew He existed and reading the bible makes me feel good inside. No one else in my family is a believer, so no I wasn’t brainwashed as a child. I happen to be an intelligent, Democratic person who just happens to be a believer.
We are not all freaks. Many people on this website seem to think that every Christian is the same. No two people are the same. “Nuff said”
Amber, you come off as a somewhat hostile Christian. Nobody here (well at least not everyone) is calling Chrisitians freaks. Ok, this site focuses on extremism. Sure I make fun of religion, but a little dose of humor is all thats needed. I, as do many here, respect people’s beliefs. So please… just relax and share your thoughts with us. I have learned a lot from the religious types that contribute here.
Regards,
gasmonso
wow, I didn’t realize I seemed hostile!! lol I guess thanks for pointing that out.
I simply said what I did because reading through a lot of the responses to the “articles” I guess, seem to always say “yeah those damn Christians, always pushing their religion on me” or “yeah, why can’t Christians just leave me alone?” Maybe certain ones, but I have never pushed my beliefs on anyone and don’t like being shoved into a category with people who just happen to share my beliefs on the afterlife.
That’s like saying all atheists are Satan worshippers trying to burn our children or some crap. I was just saying not all Christians send their children to some sort of crazy Jesus camp. I’d be afraid of what they were telling my children!
Amber, Atheists can’t be satan worshippers since we don’t believe in God who created Satan in the first place. But I suppose Atheists could be considered puppy killing monsters who drink the blood of babies ;)
Welcome to Religiousfreaks and I hope to see you around more!
gasmonso
I wish I could see the whole thing.
Mmmmm…fresh killed puppies.
…what I find most interesting is that some religious fanatics (read: not ALL Christians) will spout on and on about how the Bible condemns the so-called occult and all its surrounding lore as the “black arts”, but the Bible itself, especially the Old Testament, is one of the greatest occult books compiled! With tons of references to Astrology, Numerolgy, and Cabbalistic practices.
For myself, I’m a firm believer that any organised religion is just a front, an interface for something they may not fully be able to completely understand or comprehend. However, distilling it, breaking it apart, questioning it, is the track to obtaining a complete knowledge of everything we as mankind seek to know.
For myself, it’s just seems to “easy” to sit back and say “ok, God thought everything up, I’m forgiven through Jesus, and what happens, happens, because it’s all part of HIS plan.” It isn’t that easy IMHO. There is a category of knowledge, of the unknown, that we could seek out and perhaps it explains it all, and perhaps it doesn’t. For me, the journey, and finding out if its one God/Goddess, or many Gods/Goddesses, or none of the above is the most exciting part. :)
Ahhh but see Laura, Tolkien was a Christian so that gives him an out and while most American Chrisitans have read Shakespeare, he’s not exactly a best seller these days now is he? I’m not saying Rowling is evil (unless writing middling fantasy is a sin) but it’s not just about the magic.
Christians who find Potter evil would probably be equally voiciferous about any popular fantasy by a non-Christian author. Especially if it is as appealing to the little ones as this is. Heck, for that matter some really out there Christians are ashamed of the Chronicles of Narnia.
Aaaah! Aaaah! Flashbacks! Ahhh!
I had to go to Bible Camp as a kid too. Hey, suprise, I’m not religious anymore!
This was EXACTLY what it was like. SPOT ON.
We had an anti-gay talk one day with one of those big camp ladies who took out one of those baby toys with the square pegs into the square holes, circular into the circular holes, you know what I mean, and she started jamming the square peg in the cicular hole and going “It goes in the hole it’s mean to go into!”
Everyone else was taking it seriously (hate the sin, not the sinner), and I guess I was the only kid to get it, I almost died trying to keep the laughter in.
Remeber kids, it takes “5 good Christian tries to spread the Good Word!”
Ack. I just wanted to go canoeing at camp.
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As a Christian, I found this small video clip to be somewhat disturbing as were some of the derogatory comments e.g. ‘he can’t even keep his angels under control’.
That being said, I think one of the most important points to make is that you shouldn’t simply group all Christians together (extremists with non-extremists), nor should you group all posters on this forum together (derogatory commenters and non d. commenters).
There are many Christians, and obviously me, who disagree with targeting children the way that you see in this video or even in less extreme ways, when it comes to wanting them to understand and persue the Christian faith. Free will is indeed a gift from God and ‘brainwashed’ children (or adults) deny free will. This denial of ‘free will’ actually diminishes the glory and power of God. God’s glory and greatness is truly manifested in the Christians who fully understand, believe, and worship Him. If God really wanted to just have ‘mindless’ followers, he wouldn’t give us the freedom to choose. I have put considerable thought into my Christian faith, especially since I considered leaving it at one point.
P.S. I very much enjoy reading the Harry Potter books. They are entertaining and expouse many good principles and values: chivalry, courage, honor, duty, good over evil, deep friendships, the value of family and friends, equality of life, and I could keep going. These are many values that I value and that my god understands and values as well :)
Cheers,
noah
Wow! I like this discussion (and website)…and I’m a fundamentalist Christian. It intrigues me to see what non-believers say about religion, God, Hell, and Christians. Since you all seem to be quite intelligent and well-read, you are aware that C.S. Lewis was a scholar, a philosopher, and maintained an inerrant view of the Scriptures. The authority on which we Believers base our beliefs has nothing to do with a church, denomination, preacher, politician, or even personal feelings.
When someone makes a bold statement, I want to know by what authority he can make such a statement. When Christ preached to the masses (and the religious leaders of His time), the Pharisees rightly asked him by what authority he could make such outlandish pronouncements. He had God the Father as His authority.
The reason why Believers and non-Believers have such a hard time discussing just about anything of a serious nature is that they can’t agree on Authority.
My authority is the Scriptures. If I can’t back up my beliefs with Scripture, then I need to keep my mouth shut. When non-believers base their authority on personal experience with hypocritical Christians or some flavor-of-the-month humanist author, then I know that there will be no commonality with which to frame a meaningful discussion. All I can do at that point is hope to convince that person, like C.S. Lewis often did, that the Scriptures are authentic and applicable.
All gods and allahs and jesus’ are fake heros and those who worship them are “hero wordshippers”. There is no god or jesus or zeus or any other hero god. Its all made up and fake…..where are the dinasours…..in the creation story.
If there is a fall from grace we better get busy figuring out just what”grace” is? All this made up stuff after that fact is called “dual-mind”….we are all dual-minded individuals removed from devine mind….NO GODS THERE….IN THE ETERNAL THERE!
I HAVE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT REALITY WITH BLISS AND ECTASY….THERE WAS NO GOD THERE….ONLY GODLINESS…..WE ARE REMOVED FROM GODLINESS …THAT IS WHAT GRACE IS ITS THE DOOR OF GODLINESS.
THERE IS NO GOD!
I’m so happy that there are some sane people left.
Thank god? (I’m agnostic)
And so sad that the insanity of mindless indoctrination on unprotected minds is so prevalent.
Your site is a whiff of fresh air
Thank you
Well, when I came here, I wasn’t able to watch the video clip… But this discussion makes me want to watch the movie. Michael Moore has never failed me.
It seems like I’m a rare breed of Christian… I’m not Conservative and I like to keep an open mind. I’m not saying that all Christians are close-minded… but the ones we’re discussing are.
Lady Cooper, your description of bible camp disturbs me.
Depite what a lot of people are saying, lately, gays aren’t hurting anyone. If you think they’re going to Hell, keep it to yourself. I don’t even believe in a Hell, so I don’t really care! What they do in their own bedrooms makes no difference to me, you, or (believe it or not) God. I’m pretty sure He has a lot more to deal with than two men loving each other. Shouldn’t we just be happy that there is love in that relationship?
What is really against God is a man who beats his wife and doesn’t really love her. THAT is sin.
Sorry for getting off the subject a little…
What bugs me about people like the ones in “Jesus Camp” is that they base all of their politics and radical views on what someone tells them. And if you try to tell them otherwise, your opinions are crock and you’re going to Hell.
They make no sense, anyway. Ask one of them to try to explain their views, and it’s a bunch of nonsense.
Sorry if I don’t sound as educated as all of you… I’m only fifteen. Not all youth is corrupted and brainwashed!!
–Jawska.
P.S. Ignorance is no excuse for being stupid.
Jawska:
You call yourself a Christian (a follower of Christ), but you don’t believe in Hell. In the Gospels, Christ talks about Hell on numerous occasions. You are young, and you are open-minded. My advice is to read the Scriptures and get someone to help you understand them. Then you can have an informed opinion. Life is about seeking the Truth. Good luck on your journey.
I appreciate the high level of intelligence and understanding exhibited here.
If I may I’ll ask a question, to those of you, who are of a religious belief.
Did you find that belief by yourselves, or was it a product of the influences upon you?
I ask this with all due respect.
I, myself, have no leanings towards any religion or any belief in a “Godâ€.
Nor do I reject or demean those who have.
I am a product of a marriage, of two vastly differing societies and two intelligent and caring individuals, and brought up in two countries with huge economic and social differences.
My parents never forced their opinions upon me, but nevertheless influenced me in different ways.
As did the various societies I had the luck to live in.
I had to think for myself to resolve all the conflicting data that was consistently bombarding my young mind.
Thus I’m fairly certain that my morals and thoughts are mine.
Not absolutely, but good enough to get through this life.
I find this a very precious gift and wish it upon every child.
Whatever opinions expressed here are of the DUAL-MIND TYPE. ALL PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS HERE ARE OF RIGHT WRONG MIND. THEY ARE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME JUST DIFFERENT SIDES.
Humans have been formatted since early times with the same mind set. Humans are really Hue-mans with a third eye deactivated that is there for use to view Aura. Aura discloses the true energy field of the hue-man in its habitat in a energy field way. We have a viewer and a knowledge of “all that is”when we are operating at 100% in our more than pure environment….our problem is the infection of the dual-mind process that keeps us HUE-MANS at10% of our true heritage.
Our fall from “GRACE” is our reason for ALL OUR CONFUSION and SEARCH THROUGH OCCULTISM to find our true format.
Nagual wars of 1777 are about real hue-mans getting eliminated by the hue-man beings with the foreign installation known as the DUAL-MIND! tHATS US….THE ONES RUINING THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT OF ORDER WITH THE ENVIRONMENT ORDER OF THINGS!
NAMASTE
IF YOU KNEW YOUR GOD YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE!
BELIEF IS DISSING A GOD!
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY BACK TO GODLINESS AND THE FEELING OF “ALL THAT IS”….KUNDALINI RISING FIND IT!
KUNDALINI RISING IS YOU COMPLETING YOUR PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT THE BODY POSSESS.
KUNDALINI IS ANOTHER BODY PART
KUNDALINI NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED BEYOND THE GONADS!
HUMANS ARE GONAD MINDED!
NAMASTE EGO FLURISHERS……..GONAD SEEKERS…LOL
FanofCSLewis Says:
“Jawska:
You call yourself a Christian (a follower of Christ), but you don’t believe in Hell. In the Gospels, Christ talks about Hell on numerous occasions. You are young, and you are open-minded. My advice is to read the Scriptures and get someone to help you understand them. Then you can have an informed opinion. Life is about seeking the Truth. Good luck on your journey. ”
Thank you for the advice. I call myself a Christian because I believe Christ died for my (and everyone’s) sins, as this is what Christianity is… I do not remember Hell having anything to do with my Christianity. Even if there is a Hell, why would it matter to me? Is saving me from Hell not what Jesus died for? Perhaps you would like it better if I called myself something else… This is just how I interpret my religion, and I don’t think I need help “understanding”, as you suggested.
All I need to know is that I love my God and He loves me. If God thinks I need a little more than that, He will seek me out.
But again, thank you.
Jawska:
One last thing, and I’ll leave you alone…
There’s nothing wrong with admitting that you need help understanding. I’m 48 years old, and seek guidance and understanding everyday. I wish I had all the answers, but obviously I don’t. I can probably learn something from you as well. I was just suggesting to read the Scriptures yourself instead of listening to all the extreme skeptics out there. (By the way, I see nothing wrong with taking a skeptical viewpoint in your search for Truth.)
Christ’s redemptive work on the cross saved us from something. What did He save us from? The Scriptures claim that He saved us from eternal damnation. “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.” The converse is that if one does not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, one shall not be saved.
So, as Christians, why should the concept of Hell be applicable to you or me? For one, it is good to know what we are being saved from? Secondly, it just might be very important to those non-believing souls that we are commanded to love.
Of course there’s nothing wrong in admitting I need help understanding. If I thought I did, I would admit it.
Since you have decided to end this conversation, that is where I leave it.