Comments on: My Kid Is Going To Jesus Camp! http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/ Have faith in yourself Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:54:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Korgan http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-218509 Korgan Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:46:46 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-218509 Rebecca, re your post 223, thanks for your possibly well-intended cut and paste job, but you'll have to do better than reciting your tiresome bible-belting drivel here. First, read up on Pascal's Wager to understand why your initial premise "To make sure you are eternally secure..." doesn't pass Go. There are better and more entertaining gods than the one you prescribe. Try e.g. <a href="http://venganza.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for a better chance for your eternal salvation. Well, a tastier one, anyway. Second, much of the readership here has already read the bible in both its absurd testaments plus various (mis)translations and versions, and soundly rejected it as fiction combined with wishful thinking. Why do you think that a purportedly omnipotent being has any need for a book, and such a badly flawed one as the bible at that, to get its message across to beings that it, as purported god, has complete control over? <i>Religion is ridiculous</i> Rebecca, re your post 223, thanks for your possibly well-intended cut and paste job, but you’ll have to do better than reciting your tiresome bible-belting drivel here.

First, read up on Pascal’s Wager to understand why your initial premise “To make sure you are eternally secure…” doesn’t pass Go. There are better and more entertaining gods than the one you prescribe. Try e.g. here for a better chance for your eternal salvation. Well, a tastier one, anyway.

Second, much of the readership here has already read the bible in both its absurd testaments plus various (mis)translations and versions, and soundly rejected it as fiction combined with wishful thinking.

Why do you think that a purportedly omnipotent being has any need for a book, and such a badly flawed one as the bible at that, to get its message across to beings that it, as purported god, has complete control over?

Religion is ridiculous

]]> By: MarcDLS http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-218043 MarcDLS Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:04:56 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-218043 It is my belief that I can question them and, in fact, everything in the world. I find it offensive that anyone would deny me this. Therefore, I am allowed to question them and they are allowed to be offended. It is my belief that I can question them and, in fact, everything in the world. I find it offensive that anyone would deny me this. Therefore, I am allowed to question them and they are allowed to be offended.

]]> By: Simon Bond http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217725 Simon Bond Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:50:10 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217725 Howdy all, Some people just can't see it from the other side can they. We cannot question their beliefs as that is offensive to them. However they can question our beliefs. They can do this becuase it is part of their beliefs and therefore allowed. (Yes I did get that from Sid's site) Cheers Simon Bond Howdy all,

Some people just can’t see it from the other side can they. We cannot question their beliefs as that is offensive to them. However they can question our beliefs. They can do this becuase it is part of their beliefs and therefore allowed. (Yes I did get that from Sid’s site)

Cheers

Simon Bond

]]> By: Rebecca http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217684 Rebecca Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:45:39 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217684 Do you know where your soul will go when you die? Are you more concerned with your 50-70-90 years on earth or your ETERNAL destination?...Billions and billions of years...NEVER ending in FIRE or in PARADISE? I mean what is your short liftime compared to ETERNITY?? Our life is not more then a blink of an eye. So, of course you don't want to be in fire for ALL eternity. To make sure you are eternally secure follow these simple steps. #1) Buy a bible #2) Get comfortable somewhere in your home where you will not be disturbed. Open up to the New Testament and read it. It is good to use a bible highlighter to highlight passages that stand out for you. (The bible highlighter won't bleed throught the pages) #3) You can do this AFTER reading the New Testament or NOW if you are ready: Say this following prayer out loud to God with all your heart, repenting of all your past sins, inviting Jesus into your heart, and handing over your will to his. He will in turn fill you with his spirit, save you, and give you the promise of eternity with him in his heaven and eventually the New Jerusalem where we will reign with him FOREVER. HERE IS THE PRAYER: (If you are not ready now, you can cut and paste this to Word Perfect, or whatever other program you have to save it): ************************************************************************************ Dear God, I believe you sent your son Jesus Christ to die for my sins. Jesus I believe you are Lord and you died on the cross to cleanse me of my sins, and I believe you rose again on the third day. In this moment I am asking you to forgive me of every sin that I have ever committed in my life. I am sorry. Jesus, I do not want to go to hell when I die. Please save me from this and fill me with your Holy Spirit. I hand over my life to you. I give you all my life and will follow you the rest of my life. Jesus, please come into my heart. Please wash away the sins of my past with your precious blood and make me new. I give you all my mind, heart and soul. Please help me discover what your will is for my life. Please guide me for the rest of my life by your holy spirit. Please write my name in the book of life. I surrender to you Lord Jesus. Thank you for my salvation. Thank you because I have just been saved and am now your child. Amen ************************************************************************************ #4) Find a Bible believing/ Bible following Christian church that has a bible study and begin to attend this church and bible study group. ( I will help you find a church in your area! Email corking@live.com #5) Talk to the Pastor about getting Baptized. #6) That is it :-)) Do you know where your soul will go when you die?
Are you more concerned with your 50-70-90 years on earth or your ETERNAL destination?…Billions and billions of years…NEVER ending in FIRE or in PARADISE? I mean what is your short liftime compared to ETERNITY?? Our life is not more then a blink of an eye.
So, of course you don’t want to be in fire for ALL eternity. To make sure you are eternally secure follow these simple steps.
#1) Buy a bible
#2) Get comfortable somewhere in your home where you will not be disturbed. Open up to the New Testament and read it. It is good to use a bible highlighter to highlight passages that stand out for you. (The bible highlighter won’t bleed throught the pages)
#3) You can do this AFTER reading the New Testament or NOW if you are ready:
Say this following prayer out loud to God with all your heart, repenting of all your past sins, inviting Jesus into your heart, and handing over your will to his. He will in turn fill you with his spirit, save you, and give you the promise of eternity with him in his heaven and eventually the New Jerusalem where we will reign with him FOREVER.
HERE IS THE PRAYER: (If you are not ready now, you can cut and paste this to Word Perfect, or whatever other program you have to save it):
************************************************************************************
Dear God, I believe you sent your son Jesus Christ to die for my sins. Jesus I believe you are Lord and you died on the cross to cleanse me of my sins, and I believe you rose again on the third day. In this moment I am asking you to forgive me of every sin that I have ever committed in my life. I am sorry. Jesus, I do not want to go to hell when I die. Please save me from this and fill me with your Holy Spirit. I hand over my life to you. I give you all my life and will follow you the rest of my life. Jesus, please come into my heart. Please wash away the sins of my past with your precious blood and make me new. I give you all my mind, heart and soul. Please help me discover what your will is for my life. Please guide me for the rest of my life by your holy spirit. Please write my name in the book of life. I surrender to you Lord Jesus. Thank you for my salvation. Thank you because I have just been saved and am now your child. Amen
************************************************************************************
#4) Find a Bible believing/ Bible following Christian church that has a bible study and begin to attend this church and bible study group. ( I will help you find a church in your area! Email corking@live.com
#5) Talk to the Pastor about getting Baptized.
#6) That is it :-))

]]> By: corinne http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217668 corinne Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:22:23 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-217668 If you are a saved Christian (Holy Spirit filled) then you will like the Jesus Camp. If you are empty inside, (NO spirit of God in you, never saved) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand the things of God. The bible talks about you as having a veil over your eyes...BLINDED from the truth!!! PLEASE, if this is you, take a day off of work, get a New Testament, get cozy and read through it! I did 4 years ago and I gave my heart to Jesus...He filled me with his spirit and a few days while praying to him alone in my bedroom he appeared to me!! Jesus is real and he is coming soon...Will you be left behind? If you are a saved Christian (Holy Spirit filled) then you will like the Jesus Camp. If you are empty inside, (NO spirit of God in you, never saved) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand the things of God. The bible talks about you as having a veil over your eyes…BLINDED from the truth!!! PLEASE, if this is you, take a day off of work, get a New Testament, get cozy and read through it! I did 4 years ago and I gave my heart to Jesus…He filled me with his spirit and a few days while praying to him alone in my bedroom he appeared to me!! Jesus is real and he is coming soon…Will you be left behind?

]]> By: Kez http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-176058 Kez Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:29:12 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-176058 Watching the documantary about the 'kids on fire' camp was one of the most disturbing things I have seen in a long time, and I struggle to understand how anyone could put children through it. If they believe their path is the right one why do they need to force it so horrifically down the throats of the most impressionable people about. Surely they should be able to trust that a religion they believe to be so perfect would speak for itself, To me the treatment of those poor children boardered on abuse. Watching the documantary about the ‘kids on fire’ camp was one of the most disturbing things I have seen in a long time, and I struggle to understand how anyone could put children through it. If they believe their path is the right one why do they need to force it so horrifically down the throats of the most impressionable people about. Surely they should be able to trust that a religion they believe to be so perfect would speak for itself, To me the treatment of those poor children boardered on abuse.

]]> By: Kurt http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165799 Kurt Fri, 23 May 2008 22:11:11 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165799 Linda -- Actual reported crime statistics aside (America *isn't* the stand-alone leader in crime in the Inudstrialized World when one looks at per capita numbers, for example), "decades ago" pedophilia went on unnoticed and unabated, as well as a host of other evils. I am not arguing that certain trends are not disturbing, nor that there are many foolish policies and bits of wishful thinking that harm our society; what I am arguing that there has not been demonstrated a cause/effect relationship in the case of "social ills" vs. "irreligion." Ice cream sales and rape have a very high positive correlation (as one goes up, so does the other; same for the converse), but that doesn't mean that ice cream sales *cause* rape. It is common for humans to look for a root cause where they want to see one . . . and they usually wind up convincing themselves that their pre-judged opinion is "proven." What is harder is to sift through data to discover that there are *many* causes for our problems (it is, after all, a complex world). To lay the blame for our social ills at the feet of atheism (or agnosticism, or Islam, etc.) is just pernicious nonsense. Thank you for your prayers. Good thought never hurt anyone. I hope you and yours have a good life and can see past differences to work with others to create a better world. That world, however -- with a few exceptions -- is not in the past. Linda —
Actual reported crime statistics aside (America *isn’t* the stand-alone leader in crime in the Inudstrialized World when one looks at per capita numbers, for example), “decades ago” pedophilia went on unnoticed and unabated, as well as a host of other evils.
I am not arguing that certain trends are not disturbing, nor that there are many foolish policies and bits of wishful thinking that harm our society; what I am arguing that there has not been demonstrated a cause/effect relationship in the case of “social ills” vs. “irreligion.” Ice cream sales and rape have a very high positive correlation (as one goes up, so does the other; same for the converse), but that doesn’t mean that ice cream sales *cause* rape.
It is common for humans to look for a root cause where they want to see one . . . and they usually wind up convincing themselves that their pre-judged opinion is “proven.” What is harder is to sift through data to discover that there are *many* causes for our problems (it is, after all, a complex world).
To lay the blame for our social ills at the feet of atheism (or agnosticism, or Islam, etc.) is just pernicious nonsense.
Thank you for your prayers. Good thought never hurt anyone. I hope you and yours have a good life and can see past differences to work with others to create a better world. That world, however — with a few exceptions — is not in the past.

]]> By: alcari http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165541 alcari Fri, 23 May 2008 12:20:06 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165541 Hello linda, First off, look up the "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" fallacy, it'll open up a whole world for you. <blockquote>Just decades ago we were God fearing people and we did not have all this madness. There were NO (snipped ALL-CAPS </blockquote> 1 - [Citation Needed] 2 - how do those things correlate? In countries like Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Iceland etc there are many more atheists, and not nearly as many shootings, rape, crimes. How do you explain this? <blockquote>To you athist who say we are crazy do you ever stop and think what if? </blockquote> Blegh. Pascal's wager is a LAME argument, and it's faulty as well. <blockquote> My children are 24,21,18 and 9 and they are all Christians by choice not by force. But I have raised them to know there is a higher power and what i believe the rest is up to them. (...snip...) Don’t you think your children should have that choice.</blockquote> Yes, I do. However, apearently you don't. Indoctrination IS NOT free choice. If you really wanted your children to make their own choice, you would teach them to look for information for themselves, examine it critically and then make up their own minds. What you seem to be doing is telling your kids to believe in God, or else... Indoctrinating young children is easy, everything what mom says is true, so if you tell teach them just to blindly accept everything the bible/priest says, they will do that. <blockquote>We are not all radical in fact look around i bet the best people you now the ones who help others and the ones who show love to all are Christians.</blockquote> You know, I just did a quick count. I know many, many more kind, friendly atheists then I know Christians. There is however another reason I like atheists more. A Christian does good acts because they think god wants them to and will punish them otherwise, while an atheist does good deeds because they want to out of their own motivation. <blockquote>I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! and I would love to spend a little time with you to show you. I will and do pray for your unsaved souls.</blockquote> You're free to do and believe whatever you want, as long as you don't bother others with it. I'd love to spend a little time with you to show you why christianity is just another myth in a long line of fictional-sky-fairy crowd control measures by bronze-age nomads. You pray for me and I'll think for you. Hello linda,
First off, look up the “Post hoc, ergo propter hoc” fallacy, it’ll open up a whole world for you.

Just decades ago we were God fearing people and we did not have all this madness. There were NO (snipped ALL-CAPS

1 - [Citation Needed]
2 - how do those things correlate? In countries like Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Iceland etc there are many more atheists, and not nearly as many shootings, rape, crimes. How do you explain this?

To you athist who say we are crazy do you ever stop and think what if?

Blegh. Pascal’s wager is a LAME argument, and it’s faulty as well.

My children are 24,21,18 and 9 and they are all Christians by choice not by force. But I have raised them to know there is a higher power and what i believe the rest is up to them.
(…snip…)
Don’t you think your children should have that choice.

Yes, I do. However, apearently you don’t. Indoctrination IS NOT free choice. If you really wanted your children to make their own choice, you would teach them to look for information for themselves, examine it critically and then make up their own minds.

What you seem to be doing is telling your kids to believe in God, or else… Indoctrinating young children is easy, everything what mom says is true, so if you tell teach them just to blindly accept everything the bible/priest says, they will do that.

We are not all radical in fact look around i bet the best people you now the ones who help others and the ones who show love to all are Christians.

You know, I just did a quick count. I know many, many more kind, friendly atheists then I know Christians. There is however another reason I like atheists more. A Christian does good acts because they think god wants them to and will punish them otherwise, while an atheist does good deeds because they want to out of their own motivation.

I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! and I would love to spend a little time with you to show you. I will and do pray for your unsaved souls.

You’re free to do and believe whatever you want, as long as you don’t bother others with it. I’d love to spend a little time with you to show you why christianity is just another myth in a long line of fictional-sky-fairy crowd control measures by bronze-age nomads.

You pray for me and I’ll think for you.

]]> By: Linda Stange http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165356 Linda Stange Fri, 23 May 2008 04:45:58 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-165356 UNREAL!!! Has anyone looked around at our nation latley? Just decades ago we were God fearing people and we did not have all this madness. There were NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, NO GANG BANGERS, NO DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS, NO GAY MARRAIGE,NO CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES TAKING CHILDREN FOR SPANKING, NO COURT OVERLOADS OF JUVINILES. We were in fear of our parents not the law. We went to Church on Sunday and we raised our children as a community under God. My children are 24,21,18 and 9 and they are all Christians by choice not by force. But I have raised them to know there is a higher power and what i believe the rest is up to them. I think it is plan neglect to do other wise. To you athist who say we are crazy do you ever stop and think what if? Don't you think your children should have that choice. We are not all radical in fact look around i bet the best people you now the ones who help others and the ones who show love to all are Christians. I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! and I would love to spend a little time with you to show you. I will and do pray for your unsaved souls. UNREAL!!!
Has anyone looked around at our nation latley? Just decades ago we were God fearing people and we did not have all this madness. There were NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, NO GANG BANGERS, NO DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS, NO GAY MARRAIGE,NO CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES TAKING CHILDREN FOR SPANKING, NO COURT OVERLOADS OF JUVINILES. We were in fear of our parents not the law. We went to Church on Sunday and we raised our children as a community under God. My children are 24,21,18 and 9 and they are all Christians by choice not by force. But I have raised them to know there is a higher power and what i believe the rest is up to them. I think it is plan neglect to do other wise. To you athist who say we are crazy do you ever stop and think what if? Don’t you think your children should have that choice. We are not all radical in fact look around i bet the best people you now the ones who help others and the ones who show love to all are Christians. I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! and I would love to spend a little time with you to show you. I will and do pray for your unsaved souls.

]]> By: steven charles http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-164830 steven charles Wed, 21 May 2008 21:10:06 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/12/my-kid-is-going-to-jesus-camp/#comment-164830 I think you will like my book! 52 churches the book 52churches.com Please reply... I think you will like my book! 52 churches the book 52churches.com Please reply…

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