If you’re a child in New Zealand, start running because Family Integrity is after your little behind. Fed up with the government intervening in a parent’s right to beat smack their children, Family Integrity, a Christian organization, has taken the offensive. Their goal is to put child abuse smacking in a positive light and clear up any misconceptions that one may have.
You see, spanking is not some hateful, archaic form of discipline to make up for a parent’s lack of parental skills. No, actually quite the opposite is true. Family Integrity see’s spanking as something quite different.
Spanking is an expression of love, commitment and responsible parenting toward the child’s best interests.
Family Integrity has even put together a nice little guide to smacking your evil little heathen. It’s in a nice compact wallet-size so you can take it anywhere! All this talk about smacking is getting me excited. Time to go find my oldest and put this to the test. I think it’s time to go ‘express my love’ for a good 10 to 15 minutes! Praise be to God!
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July 20th, 2006 at 3:09 am
And here I was, as an Australian - thinking we only had complete freaks amongst us, and to our North (Indonesia).
Seems they are to our East as well!
July 20th, 2006 at 7:02 am
That is most disturbing — beating your child with the Lord’s Love!
July 20th, 2006 at 7:33 am
I am quite disturbed by the title of this web page. It give the idea that you have a pre-formed idea and are just looking for examples that “prove’ you correct instead of sampling overall data and making unbiased comparisons.
One thing you have to understand is that religions are only a belief structure. We ALL have belief structures about everything in our dialy life. Belief sructures rarely define our actions, rather we fall into belief structures based on our prefered activities.
In theory I believe in spanking, but have a hard time practicing it. I have a three year old here and believe me, she takes much more punishment when we play than she ever has by punishment. She can shrug off falling off the mokkey bars, but a smack to her ass and you would think WWII has insued. It is mostly just emotional expression on the childs part.
Actually I gues have lost focus here. I am realizing tat your are probably not interested in hearing another opinion. But extremely rarely does a religion make people do bad things, it is just that bad people tend to flock to other like thmselves and use religion as an excuse for behaviors. Much like your site will attract Anti-religious zealots. Same difference, just opposite extremist views. Both are immature.
Remember, Religion is a personal belief, laws (even those said to come from God) are written by Man.
July 20th, 2006 at 9:00 am
“But extremely rarely does a religion make people do bad things”
Ummmmmmmmm
* The Crusades
* Terrorist Suicide Bombers
* Abortion Doctor killers/clinic bombers
* The people who drove out the jeweish family from their neighborhood recently out east
I could go on and on but I’ll refrain. As for the title of this site, it’s not ALl Religious People Are Freaks. I think this site tends to specifically focus onthose that ARE freaks.
Also, with your use of the words “Anti-religious zealots” I find that most religious people tend to view ANY ATheist or Agnostic as a zealot no matter what. To many of the religious, the non-religious should be seen and not heard. As soon as an Atheist speaks his or her mind, they are branded anti-religion. They are branded as opposed to other opinions. Which is the very close minded zealotry that they accuse the non-religious of practicing.
July 20th, 2006 at 9:01 am
“But extremely rarely does a religion make people do bad things, it is just that bad people tend to flock to other like themselves and use religion as an excuse for behaviors.”
That might just be the most sensible thing i’ve heared this month
Anyway, i’m all in favor for an educational tap, as in:
“don’t do that please. Don’t. DON’T! *small smack on hand* “I said don’t!”
But a 15 minute beating?!! that’s insane. any parent that gives his kid a 15 minute beating without him having stolen a car or something should have one themselves!
July 20th, 2006 at 9:20 am
My personal favorite tip is ‘If the child is angry after the smack, you have not smack hard enough.’
What? Do they need to be frightened instead? How about unconscious?
July 20th, 2006 at 11:02 am
The kid with the black eye is a nice touch. Look, there is a difference between spanking and abuse. Spanking can be used appropriately and should stop happening/be replaced with other means of discipline by the age of 8-10 years old. By that time a child can understand things like longer term consequences. You don’t like spanmking? Fine, don’t spank your kids, but painting these people as child abusers is stupid.
July 20th, 2006 at 11:42 am
Alrighty, good to see this one sparked some emotions :) Look, I don’t have a problem with spanking per say, however, when a group (whether religious or not) takes it to this level, it is obscene. I’m not trying to paint Christians as child abusers, so just relax. Many people from all faiths give their kids a crack on the ass once in a while.
If you think my articles are a little to edgy and one-sided, then please step up and write your own. If anyone has a topic to write about, please contact me and we can arrange something. If it’s good, I’ll post it on the front page for everyone to criticize :)
gasmonso
July 20th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
“Spanking is an expression of love”
That can be true, but not in any context involving kids.
PS. In Soviet Russia, child smacks YOU!
July 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
This is an incredible discussion to read for me. Here in Sweden a church would be illegal if they advocated this. Here smacking a child is considered worse than beating a full grown person, and it is more heavily punished.
I have read that the english speaking world has a greater acceptance for violence against children then we do here, but I think you are just making excuses when you say there is a difference between smacking and abuse. It does not matter how little, all corporal punishment of a child is abuse. It is not a question of degrees. Or how would you define the border between abuse and good parenting?
July 21st, 2006 at 12:13 am
Personally I don’t think the spanking debate should be tied up with religion. I am a New Zealander, I am an Atheist, and I am pro-spanking.
These guys may be going a little far but they are trying to stand up for the right of a parent to be able to discipline their child. I would hate to see spanking criminalised as I see it as a valid form of punishment, if done correctly and with discipline yourself. We got the strap at school and I don’t believe I am any worse off for it.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:05 am
This is just crazy!
I thought that teaching with violence (in any form) was gone…
With fear and pain people deson’t learn why they should not do certain things, at most they will hate you. Or else why doesn’t teacher spank everyone to teach lessons?? that’s a nice idea!
My parents never spanked me, and I will never spank my childrens.
Spanking is for Fascists!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:49 am
“Pro-spanking”, that is almost as disgusting as the “pro-life” religious freaks, I guess being an atheist does not inheritly make you better then a religious person.
Even worse if done in school. I am a teacher, and if I smacked a child i would go to prison - and rightly so. Being a child does not exclude you from being a human. Why should there be any difference between the rights of a child and the rights of a human? Or would you support the taleban religious watchmen in Afghanistan who walked around in the streets with lashes, beating on anyone whom they thought was not living up to moral standards? If you are not in favor of beating people in general (to extort confessions, perhaps, or as punishment for crimes), please tell me the difference between a child and a person who you would not want beaten.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:18 am
“I would hate to see spanking criminalised as I see it as a valid form of punishment, if done correctly and with discipline yourself. We got the strap at school and I don’t believe I am any worse off for it.”
So, it would be ok if a teacher spanked your kid with a strap for picking on another kid? you would actaully say that was a good thing? please tell me where you live so I can avoid it like the plague.
Beating, spanking or whatever is indeed an effective form of punishment, and would probably work with adults. How can you seriously say a small child deserves to be spanked, for doing anything? Children should be corrected, not punished. Punishment is for people who know that they’re doing wrong. I don’t mind if we replaced most short prison sentences with, say, 15 to 30 lashes of a whip. But little kids should be sent to the corner, given a time-out in their room or whatever.
July 21st, 2006 at 9:54 am
I was spanked as a child. Not very often, but rarely when I was realyl being a little bastard. I’m not worse for the wear at all. In fact, it taught me awfully quickly what to do and what not to do. Now I don’t believe teachers or others should have that right. Onyl parents. And even then only rarely in certain circumstances. And nothing overly violent. A few swats to my clothed ass was usually enough. And as someone said above, after a certain age it should stop as well.
It’s wishful thinking to say that a “time-out” will correct all problems in a child.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:29 am
i have to agree with Jason, same all around
many kids have ADD too as i did or worse, so its not without its use for punishment.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:24 am
“Punishment is for people who know that they’re doing wrong.”
So, are you saying that if you don’t know the rules, you don’t have to live by them? That if someone tells you “Don’t do ____”, you have no ability to choose to not do ____?
I find that a little ignorant of free will. If we have free will, we make decisions about our actions. If we act, there is a consequence. We must then live with the result of that consequence.
If we do not have free will, we don’t make decisions about our actions. If we don’t act, there is no consequence. We must then live without consequence.
That being said, personal understanding of consequences does not change the fact they are there and happen. Just because as a child you do not understand gravity does not mean you are any less accountable to it than an adult. If you jump, you fall.
Parents are to teach what to or not to do, and to punish wrong decisions, until the individual can understand either through maturity, or “the hard way”, consequences and properly adjust their own decision making process.
Without proper parenting, no amount of punishment is going to help steer the child because there is no constant, no guide by which the child can live. Spanking, when used in tandem with proper consistent parenting, is successfull. Spanking alone is damaging and useless.
July 21st, 2006 at 1:48 pm
I know when my parents used corporal punishment on me, it just taught me that they could get what they wanted in a direct fight and so I ended up just becoming extremely passive-agressive. Instead of refusing to do homework, I would just pretend to do it, and waste my own time just to spite my parents. It took me a lot of time and self-discipline to work off the ill-effects I had learned and I’m probably still affected. Luckily though, it did have a very positive effect on me. I was originally always very complacent and listened to any authority figures, the type of kid who would get permission to go to the bathroom. But then when the corporal punishment started, I gradually became much less complacent and much more anti-authority.
The funny thing is that the one good part about abusing your children (showing them what is wrong with having an overly strong atuhority figure) is likely something that the religious nuts DON’T want their children learning.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Hey some kids deserve to get beat. You know you’ve been at the mall and seen some little shit screaming its head off and thought “Damn, I wish somebody would put a bullet between that little monster’s eyes.”
July 21st, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Good point grif… I know I’ve seen that kid :) But usually that’s a direct result of the parenting. Maybe we should smack the parents!
gasmonso
July 21st, 2006 at 4:40 pm
“Pro-spanking” is not about wanting to beat your kid. Its about allowing parents to have an effective tool to discipline. You need to encourage good behavoir and idscourage bad. The sooner a punishment is performed after the bad behaviour, the more it is accociated with that behaviour. This is basic psychology. Being able to spank a child when other punishment means are not available at the time is better than letting the behaviour go unpunished.
And yes I would be all for bringing back the whip as effective punishment, it would probably be more effective than clogging up jails.
The key with this, as in everything in life, is moderation. Just like alcohol, chocolate, and almost everything else, if done with care and in small doses, spanking does indeed have its place. Used too much, and it becomes abuse and is detrimental.
July 21st, 2006 at 7:12 pm
Inkognito,
The right to CHOICE is one of the very definitions of freedom. To remove a parent’s choice to discipline their child in the manner they believe is in the best interests of their child, you should have very clear evidence that that choice is detrimental to the child, something that is lacking in the spanking debate (which is why it is still a debate). Therefore, I support the right to choose.
You make two comparisions in your post, the comparison to the “pro-life” debate, and Afgan religious watchmen imposing their moral standards on others. What I find interesting is that in both these comparisons, you appear to be standing on the side of choice, as I am standing on the side of choice in this argument. What is different in this argument for you?
You decry the imposition of ones moral standards on anothers, yet here you are calling me “disgusting” and “no better” than someone else (simple moral judgements). Clearly you are attempting to impose your moral standards on me. I belive you are Swedish so your moral standards on this issue have probably been developed due to the laws in your country. However, without clear evidence against spanking, what right do you have to impose those standards on others?
July 21st, 2006 at 11:32 pm
youmakemesick: “I know when my parents used corporal punishment on me, it just taught me that they could get what they wanted in a direct fight and so I ended up just becoming extremely passive-agressive.”
but just because it had that effect on you doesn’t mean that’s what it does to 100% of children. That’s where it is up to effective parents to know how to most efficiently discipline their children.
I gotta side with Nico here. it’s abotu choice. CLEARLY if a parent is goign to far they should be punished. There can be (and are) guidelines for what is abuse.
As Nico said, to impose one set of moral standards on others is bad no matter who is doing the imposing - Christians, Atheists or Pastafarians.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 am
So, now it is a “freedom-of-choice”-right to beat up on other people? I am indeed from Sweden, and I am glad that I don’t have that choice and that neither my parents nor teachers had that choice when I was a kid.
You speak of freedom for the parents, but how about the freedom of choice for the child? They cannor choose their parents, and they cannot choose to force their parents to comply with their choices. I am always pro-choice for the weak side, and always pro-responsibility for the strong side.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:53 am
I’m just saying it’s a FAR oversimplistic view to say t hat any parent who spanks is a horribly abusive person who beat up on their children, and it’s oversimplistic to say that any child that is spanked turns out badly.
I was spanked. My brother was spanked. My sister was spanked. not often, and not so hard as to be really hurtful. We all turned out pretty damn well.
It’s insulting to parents to walk that line and do it right and turn out respectful well behaved children who respect both authority and the ability to challenge authority. it’s insulting to people like me who’s parents rarely spanked, but did so when necessary, to say their parents just “beat up” on them.
A black and white view of teh world is just as ignorant no matter what side of an issue you are looking from.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Ok Inkognito, lets sum up your position:
1. You have a strong moral belief regarding a certain action.
2. You have simplified the issue into “good” vs “evil”.
3. You have provided no evidence that your moral belief is more correct than others.
4. You want to force others to adhere to your moral belief.
Do you know what that sort of position yours is starting to sound like? Thats right, its the religious freaks that this website is designed to highlight.
As Jason said, this is not a black or white issue. Here are the facts as I see it:
1. The vast majority of parents who spank their children do so because they beleive it is in the best interests of their child, and get no gratification out of spanking their child. In fact most hate it when they have to.
2. I have found no conclusive evidence that spanking a child is harmful to them. Studies have tended to be devided on the issue with some showing negative impact, and others showing positive effects.
3. Those people that support the right to spank a child, still abhor child abuse.
4. Most countries have assault and abuse laws that will already deal with the small percentage of cases that include excess violence and abuse.
5. Since abuse is covered by other laws, and their is no definative evidence that spanking is “bad”, the is no need for further laws, and those laws would just be restricting a parents right to chose what is best for their child.
I consider myself a rational and intelligent person, so I put this challenge to you; prove convincingly that mild spanking in a controlled manner, done periodically as a backup for other discipline techniques, produces negative effects on children under 10, and I will change my position and agree that spanking should be outlawed.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:21 pm
I cannot believe some of the arguments…..
It is very simple: in most developed countries it is illegal to beat people up. Why would be ok to hurt a child that cannot defend itselve. Violence is allways wrong, a society cannot tolerate “some” violence: where do you draw the line? Exactly: no violence, beating and spanking. Some parents are bound to go over the line.
Don.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pm
As a victim of child abuse I can’t believe people from my own religion are doing this. Wait…I can.
Neither of my parents are Christians, just child abusers. I wouldn’t say so much now, but then again I’m in my 20s now and I no longer live with them.
No, there’s nothing wrong with spanking, but what this group is talking about IS child abuse. Spanking for that long? You haven’t spanked HARD enough? Absolutely sick.
Plus, the whole point of discipline is to explain to the child what they have done wrong. Not smacking them around and then sending them away.
July 24th, 2006 at 8:00 am
“So, are you saying that if you don’t know the rules, you don’t have to live by them?”
No, you’re not taking it out of proportion at all….
some quotes from people who are apearently not getting the point, or who I’m not understanding.
“I was spanked. My brother was spanked. My sister was spanked. not often, and not so hard as to be really hurtful. We all turned out pretty damn well.”
“prove convincingly that mild spanking in a controlled manner, done periodically as a backup for other discipline techniques.”
We’re you ever:
1 - spanked for 10 minutes straight?
2 - Spanked harder if you got angry?
3 - Spanked as a first punishment?
The point is not about mild spanking, or spanking in severe cases. please, go read the article and come back.
A little spanking is no problem with anyone I think. for the rest of my argument, please read Amber’s and Don Stenk’s post above.
I still think, Outlaw spanking, but condone it in most cases, that way, you’ve got your legal AND social bases covered.
July 24th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Alcari,
I agree with you mostly. I am not arguing for the statements in the article, they are well over the top. What I am arguing about are the people posting who do have a problem with a little spanking. You also contradict yourself by saying you agree with Don Stenk’s post, who is saying that there should be absolutely no spanking whatsoever.
I also think that outlawing something and then relying on the police to show discretion and not to charge people is the wrong way to go about making laws. This puts too much power in the hands of the police, and removes personal freedoms. The police should not be tasked with deciding which behaviours are wrong (although in reality they do have that role), they should merely be enforcing what is already decided.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
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July 27th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Point 1) For all the posters who have been whining about freedom of choice for a child - grow up. Being a parent is about making the decisions for your child, because he/she is not at an age at which he/she can make an informed decision. Point 2) Re: the “little monster in a mall” I’m guessing (or hoping) you don’t have kids. Every parent who has a child experiences a temper tantrum in the mall, grocery store, in front of company, etc., despite their child’s normally quiet demeanor. It often has less to do with poor parenting, and more with a myriad of little events leading up to the main attraction. The best that a parent can hope for is a little understanding from the people in the audience, and to get the kid out of the situation without losing their cool. Point 3) Spanking - when used as a last resort method of discipline (i.e. the child is running into the road, or something to that effect), and is administered with an even, calm hand, rather than one with no control or restraint, than I believe it is a legitimate method. My father spanked me, rarely, and then, there was a three swat rule. As he explained later to me, the rule was always for him, to make sure that he kept himself in check, rather than for me. And the swats were _always_ on the bottom. I never was clipped in the back of the head, or face or anywhere else. It really all boils down, in my opinion, to the manner in which the punishment is applied.
July 27th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
“I still think, Outlaw spanking, but condone it in most cases, that way, you’ve got your legal AND social bases covered.”
Um…put a law on the books that there would be no intention of enforcing…what a colossal waste of time, money and effort. And what a prime opportunity to open the legal system to abuse by vindictive individuals. There are already enough defunct and inoperative laws on the books…why add to the trouble?
July 27th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
This entry has little or no connection to religion, as a few other I’ve read here.
Yes, you’re going to find people from different religions who will spank their children. You will find people from the same religions, not spanking their children.
You’ll find people without any religion on both sides as well.
So what’s the message here? If you’re looking to prove some kind of point about religious people, you’re not going to have any problems. With billions of people practising some kind of religion, you’re going to find all sorts.
With a bit of research, you’re even going to find that a lot of religious people will share a lot of your values (not the ones brough up here, of course).
So again, what’s the message? You’ve managed to find people who advocate spanking your children more than what’s “normal” and you’ve even added a bit to make it look like they were abusing the children.
There are nuts everywhere, but if this is the worst you can dig up about religous people, then they seem to be one of the least harmless groups.
As for spanking children, my views are pretty simple. In adult life, you’re going to get in trouble if you don’t follow the rules of the society you live in. Prepare you child for that. You’re going to have to punish your child for some thing eventually. Spanking isn’t necessarily the punishment that leaves the biggest scars on a child.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
I don’t think the point is to show that *all* religious people are “child abusers” or whatever. I think point is to single out specific religious people/groups who are… freaks. Get it? ReligiousFreaks.com? ;-)
That said, if you can find atheist groups putting out literature teaching people how to “smack” children for 10+ minutes at a go, by all means, bring it on.
-matthew
July 27th, 2006 at 8:55 pm
Bingo Matthew! You win the grand prize :) I’m not trying to declare all Christians child abusers… just a few :)
gasmonso
July 28th, 2006 at 12:22 am
This article has made me pertty mad. I once wrote an anti-abuse essay. It was more emotion than fact (the assignment was a rant) The baisic pointis , we need to see the light nd use the power of the law to break the viscious cycle of abuse. For great justice!
July 28th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
“Bingo Matthew! You win the grand prize :) I’m not trying to declare all Christians child abusers… just a few”
No, what you’re trying to do is to make some kind of connection between the child abusers and the Christians. The domain name kind of gives away your intentions.
Like I wrote before, you’re going to find this kind of behaviour everywhere. You’ve managed to find a group of people that very few others agree with. Very few Christians (or people from any major religion) will probably think that spanking your kid for 10-15 minutes is a good idea.
You chose to focus on the religion of these people. Why not instead declare people from New Zealand child abusers? Because it wouldn’t prove the point you’ve set out to prove.
There’s no argument that these people have taken a wrong turn somewhere, but you’ve got to work harder if you want to prove anything more than that there are freaks among the religious, just like in any other group of people.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
Thanks Matt for letting me know what my intentions are. What would I do without you? The people in the article are religious freaks…PERIOD… that’s why I chose to write about them…PERIOD…stop being so defensive…PERIOD.
If you would like to express an opinion, then please contact me and I’ll put it up on the main page.
gasmonso
July 28th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Ok, now you’ve got me confused. So you just want to write about freaks, but limit yourself to the ones that have a connection to religion?
Why would you want to do that?
Is it just a way of putting the articles into categories? Because I couldn’t find the nonreligiousfreaks.com site.
The “about” section of this site says “The goal of ReligiousFreaks is not to incite hatred towards people of faith, but rather to expose the hypocrisy in their chosen religion.”
Which religion and what hipocrisy is this directed against? Christians? A very large majority of the Christians will proably agree with you that the people in the article indeed are freaks.
Try to differentiate between stupid things that people do because of religion and stupid things that people do while trying to let their religion justify it.
While pointing out the narrow-minded, illogical, generalising people of the world, watch out so that you don’t become one of them.
The reason I wrote my first comment is because I see this a lot. Some people feel the need to point out religion as the cause of most of the worlds problems, and I don’t see things that way.
As a non-religious person, living in one of the worlds most secular countries, my experiences might be different from yours, but I’ve found that religious people here are the least of my worries.
They’re not the ones I have to worry about when walking home late at night. They’re not the ones trying to steal my stuff or trick me into buying junk. They’re more concerned about doing The Right Thing than average people.
In a country where being religious is the norm, you’re going to end up with people being religious because they’re supposed to. That’s when you’ll have the hypocrisy you’re looking for. From people who wouldn’t care much about religion if it wasn’t expected of them.
Religion becomes a problem when used to control people or as a means to gain more power or to force your own ideas on others. That’s a problem with people more than it is a problem with religion.
So, if you think I’m being defensive, it might just be that I’ve finally felt the need to argue a bit about this. Nothing personal, but I simply think that a lot of people mix up cause and effect and that you’re probably one of them.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:31 am
I’d like to hear from all the rabid anti-smacking people how exactly you teach a 2 or 3 year old child not to play with knives on top of the stove without smacking them?
I believe that a quick smack is a better way to teach a child that age of the consequences of their actions than 3rd degree burns with a knife stuck through the throat (which would be the eventual outcome if the child was left to their own devices!).
Or perhaps my next door neighbour was out of line when she smacked her 3yo for putting forks in the power outlet! Better that little Harry got a taste of 240 volt - that would teach him not to do such things.
For the record, I’m Christian, have 5 kids, and none of them are afraid of me. All the kids have been smacked in the past when that was the best way for them to learn the consequences of their actions rather than them getting blown up or dismembered by their childish high-spirits and curiosity.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:25 pm
This sort of reminds of the debate between Liberals and Conservatives in regards to the war on terror. Liberals think war against the terrorists will only cause them to lash out and hate us more. Conservatives correctly see the naivety in this and instinctively want to beat the terrorists back into the holes they came from. This is very comparable to spanking. It is the way of the world and terrorists of all ages must learn it.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Hello Conservative American,
We can’t ‘beat the terrorists back into the holes they came from.’ Terrorists spontaneously emerge from any sufficiently large population that contains a disenfranchised segment, including our own (Timothy McVeigh, anyone?). The larger the disenfranchised segment, the more of a problem terrorism will be. If we could beat back terrorists, I would be all for it, but identifying terrorists is much more complicated than your comment would have us believe.
Now back on topic. The point of the post is not an anti-spanking agenda, it points out excessive pro-spanking program organized by a religious group. The job of any society is to find the line between corporal punishment and abuse. I personally feel that, in America, there is too much of an anti-spanking attitude.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Oh, by the way, I don’t believe in a god, but I do believe in spanking. I guess you will have to create spankingnonreligiousfreaks.com for people like me. The people that run this site are the real freaks. They clearly have deep hatred and phobia for those that follow a religion. What ever happened to Liberals encouraging diversity and tolerance? (rhetorical question)
August 1st, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Hey Captain Conservative, I take offense to that statement! There\’s no people running this site, it\’s just me!
Now go beat your kids like a good conservative, they deserve it :)
gasmonso
August 1st, 2006 at 4:00 pm
sidfaiwu,
My point was that the stance Conservatives and Liberals have on spanking and the war on terror are very similar and comparable due to the principles that both groups have as it relates to both subjects. Since this is obviously a politically oriented web site, I found the comparison on-topic and relevant.
In regards to the war on terror, terrorists can be identified. And as long as we can identify them, we can hunt them down and kill them. No, it won’t be easy, but the alternative is much worse. Would you have us declare defeat and let the murderous terrorists create a single totalitarian Islamo-government where everyone in the world is bowing to the great Ala? No thanks.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:09 pm
Hey gasmonso,
Well, I don’t have kids either. If I did, I’d apply a suitable punishment, including physical punishment, where necessary. As other posters have pointed out, different types of punishment is necessary for different circumstances and maturity levels. I know it’s hard for Liberals like yourself to understand this, but sometimes violence is the answer.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:23 pm
Capt Conservative, what makes you so sure I’m a liberal? What makes you so sure I don’t approve of violence in the proper context?
gasmonso
August 1st, 2006 at 4:35 pm
I think it should be legal and encouraged to beat ANYONE if you think that the other person is wrong, or in need of moral correction.
Because as Gasmonso points out, “Sometimes trying to use reason and logic in a conversation, is not as effective against people who don’t have the capacity for it.” In other words, beat everyone until they understand you…
August 1st, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Hello Conservative American,
I did not mean to imply that your post was off-topic. On the contrary, the comparison you made was on-topic and interesting. When I wrote “now back on topic”, I was referring to my own post that, up to that point, was not on topic. Sorry about the confusion.
Like gasmonso, I wonder why you make the assumption that we are all liberal. Also, your comment about encourage diversity and tolerance misses the point. This site is not an anti-religion site, it is an anti-fundamentalist site. The reason being is that fundamentalist are not willing to tolerate the non-religious (or other religions, for that matter). Remember that for every non-religious person there are about nine religious people in this country; a growing proportion of which want to take away our freedoms through the legislation of their ‘morality’.
Now it is quite clear that you have some sort of grudge against or at least mistrust for liberals. I’m afraid this may have closed your mind. Are you now rejecting all things liberal simply because they are liberal or do you actually evaluate all ideas based on their rational merit?
Now for the terrorist comment. It’s rife with fear-based opinion. Like the rhetoric spewing forth from the White House, you leave no room for middle ground in you mind. Everyone must either give up certain liberties and spend a bunch of taxes to fund a ‘war’ on terrorism, or we must admit defeat and wait for the Islamic fundies to come kill us all. This is a common tactic used by apologists who seek to deny truth to promote an agenda. I refuse to buy into it. There is middle ground and it is a rational approach to terrorism control.
August 1st, 2006 at 8:23 pm
gasmonso,
I’m not sure of either of those things. I’m making a calculated assumption.
Liberals, generally, have a negative view of any organized Christian religion. Liberals also are, generally, against any physical disciplining of children (usually due to their anti-violent ideology). In addition, a picture of a beat-up kid is posted with the story in an attempt to over-exaggerate the story and falsely persuade people with such out of context visuals. The article is about “smacking,” not punching or beating. Smacking clearly wouldn’t produce the results depicted in the picture.
If you don’t classify yourself as a Liberal, there is no doubt that you have viewpoints and methods that coincide with those that are classified as Liberals.
August 1st, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Shaze,
Of course, we shouldn’t “beat everybody.” In the context of terrorists, or anyone else for that matter, we should use violence against those that have or will use violence against us. In the context of children, animals, and others that can’t understand any other way, violence serves as the final communication tool.
August 1st, 2006 at 11:15 pm
sidfaiwu,
There is no middle ground in dealing with terrorists. If it wasn’t apparent before, 9/11 and other such cowardly attacks should have taught all peoples of civilized societies this painful yet obvious lesson. There is no doubt that 9/11 awakened a war that was building up for several years. Now that we are in wartime, we should expect to make some reasonable sacrifices to ensure victory. At the same time, there definitely should be equally reasonable limits and oversight to these sacrifices and they should never become permanent.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:21 am
Once again, I refuse to accept your apologistic tactics. Since you see the issue as only black and white and will not even consider compromise I am done discussing the issue with you.
August 4th, 2006 at 12:36 pm
No punishment is viable if the person doesn’t know what they are doing wrong. My parents spanked me, but we only had 4 rules in the house too. Don’t do anything dangerous, distructive, disrespectful, or dishonest. If it was one of those 4 things, we were told “That’s $ruleName, you can’t do that.” If we did it, then we were punished, be it grounding, spanking, timeout. Therefore, since I knew the rules, when I broke them, I got punished and there was no confusion. When there is confusion, multiple rulesets, and conflicting standards, then punishment fails because they don’t know what they’re being punished for, whether they be children or adults.
November 8th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
i think ur commet were plain shit
May 6th, 2007 at 9:55 am
All Human made laws including that against spanking are disastrous. Man should look unto his creator, YAHWEH for proper guidance. Word of the living God(Bible) alone stand as a rock.
ph12345ilip@yahoo.com
S.Philip
May 6th, 2007 at 10:33 am
“All Human made laws including that against spanking are disastrous.”
That’s nice S.Philip. Now do you have evidence to prove your as-of-now unsupported declarative?
“Word of the living God(Bible) alone stand as a rock.”
Alone? What about the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Qur’an, and all the other ‘words of God(s)’?
June 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
We live in a world today that kids are running amok and this is the direct result of discipline being taken out of the parents hands. Kids today KNOW if they do something wrong they have nothing to fear as a consequence of their actions. I see kids swearing, disobeying, even hitting their own parents because there is nothing now preventing them. Kids today don’t even worry about the legal problems they are getting into because we’ve encouraged our children to make excuses for their bad behavior, i.e. learning disabilities, etc..Now instead of our kids understanding that their inappropriate actions could get them in trouble, they know if we spank them to get them back in line WE the parents are the ones who have to answer to the law. Spare the rod, spoil the child is still true even to this day…
June 6th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Every generation says something about the sorry state of ‘kids these days’, but place the cause of the ‘problem’ differently. It’s also almost invariably used to justify harsher punishment tactics.
Almost all claims of this kind are anecdotal, which have a couple of problems. First, there is very little basis of comparison. The average adult has only seen about 2 or 3 generations of children. Two or three data points do not make a reliable trend. Second, people tend to become more conservative with time. Thus things they find shocking or offensive today did not seem so when they were children. Thus they are now noticed things today that they probably considered normal as kids. The effect is that kids today seem to be worse than ‘when I was young…’.
I’m not sure how old Christine is, but youth crime is way down since the time when I was a teenager in the early nineties. From this I conclude that ‘kids these days’ are less of a problem than ‘when I was young’.
June 11th, 2007 at 10:15 am
As A chils myself, reading this was very disturbing!
I am doing a Literacy project and came among this!
I am against smacking, and i didn’t know it was also called spanking!
I thought that was to do with other subjects.!
That article is sick.
I desagree completely.
June 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
You, my ‘friend’ are an idiot after all.
The problem is NOT because parents don’t punish their children hard enough. It’s because they are neither consitent in punishment, nor rewarding of good behaviour. If you want your kids to live a ‘good’ live, do you truly want them to do so because of fear of a beating? or would you preferr it if they simply knew it was the proper to be?
If you tell a child why he/she shouldn’t do something, and praise him for doing the right thing, it’s a lot more effective then punching him for not comprehending your every word.
Isn’t that the fault of said parents? It’s pretty damn easy just dropping your kids in front of the TV and doing what ever you want. If people tried actually RAISING their kids, instead of just providing food and shelter, the problem would be solved.
Are you truly incapable of thinking of any other punishment? Or is it that you’ve let it last to long and that smacking is the only way out? How would you like to recieve a beating for every red light you run and for every time you speed, would that be ‘fair’ in your eyes?
YOU THE PARENT should have tought them that inapropriate behaviour could get them in trouble. YOU SHOULD BE THE TROUBLE!
if you never teach your kids what they can and cannot do when they are little (READ: when you’re still the absolute boss of them) how in fucks name do you expect them to know? Should the information magically have popped into their heads?
June 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Hillary,, you’re right at first sight but…
Don’t you think that a slap, NOT a beating, should be allowed? I’m all for making hitting illigal, but not bothering with the law to much.
meaning, if you just gave your child a smack because you’ve warned him a dozen times allready you shouldn’t go to jail or anything. But if you beat him up, you should.
As some people don’t understand, it is possible to positively raise a child. The same people don’t do a lot of parenting themselves either. I think smacking is something you have to do to teach a child you can’t talk to, because he/she is to young, or because you are a bad parent. Smacking is what parents do when they let their children pick up a habit that they shouldn’t have.
It’s the parent’s fault for having to hit their kids. If they actaully spend some time raising their children, teaching right from wrong and what is, or is not acceptable, instead of just dropping them outside, or in front of a TV/computer, there wouldn’t be so many “kids running amok”
February 26th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Well it turns out I am in agreement with incognito. Hitting isn’t okay in today’s society if your an adult/ Why should it be okay to hit someone who is small and cannot defend themselves>? It is the easy thing to do at the time. It is for lazy parents who don’t want to take the time to think and use the mind they were given and the heart that beats within them to teach their children right from wrong.
It is also easy to stand up and be pro spanking after you have already raised and hit five children like the guy above. It is too risky to admit to one’s self that after all these years, they may actually indeed have screwed up.Spanking, hitting in general may actual be violence and therefore wrong. Christ, is there not enough violence already do children really need more at home? Hug your children. Love them for fucksake, thay may be gone tomorrow. Life is too short for this bull shit.
October 17th, 2008 at 4:36 am
I was RAISED in New Zealand AND im Catholic..Ur “article” and “title” are misleading and state A LOT OF WRONG STUFF..do some reasearch dip-shit before you slander religions and countries..
December 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
wow …… you know how disturbing that picture is you are HORRABLE people!!!!!!!! >:(
you people are sick. I have two neices and to think of ever doing that to them ? NO! that aint right and a child should never be treated that way . I hope you people rot in hell for all i care .
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:34 am
Gasmonso ;
your a fucking retard . beating your kid is the worst thing you could ever do .
GET A LIFE AND STOP, cause you know you CAN go to jail evantually for that .
(JUST TO LET YOU KNOW)
do you think beating kid is going to solve anything ? ANOO.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Now you, Gasmonso stop sending comments I think I scared you away, you chicken. You only hit kids because there to weak to fight back so you get pleasure cause they are the only people you can hit cause your the weaklin yourself. you probably got abused when you were little… makes no right for you to hit others.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
any comments?… didn’t think so
December 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
any comments?… didn’t think so.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
copied from the above article, “Spanking is an expression of love, commitment and responsible parenting toward the child’s best interests.”
i think Korgan needs a spanking, okay.
Spanking is good and everyone needs a good spanking. if we do it out of anger and do it, not in love, you and i have missed the mark in biblical aspects.
if you know scripture you will see it everywhere. spanking comes in many forms in discipline and businesses use it all the time. do you feed a new born solid food?(in you mind right know, you’re thinking i’m and idiot) you get the point, though.
in maturity you are disciplined accordingly and it hurts no matter what. but let us do it in love so they don’t make the same mistakes in their life as they grow up.
In-Christ alone i place my trust and the WORD of my Lord and Saviour is the begining of knowlege and wisdom.
Prov.1:7-10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck. My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
All this talk about smacking is getting me excited. Time to go find my oldest and put this to the test. I think it’s time to go ‘express my love’ for a good 10 to 15 minutes! (copied from the article)
Oh yeah really with love right, hyrocket! the ‘express with love’ means ‘…’ haha noo love!!!
so don’t freak out with bible verses on me!
December 10th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Spanking shows kids that there are negative and unpleasant repercussions to improper behavior. Standing in the corner is an annoyance, but it is soon forgotten. People fear pain. Fear prevents deviation from a code of behavior. All of those silly little religions are based on fear of hell. It’s works for thousands of years. Problem with the penal code in most first world countries is they have taken the fear out of punishment. Go to prison, get free health care, free food, free cable, free access to a library, free workout areas, and no need to work for anything. Bring back public caning, the stocks, and all the gory and horrific executions of old. We are far to civilized for our own good. So, smack your kids all you want, just don’t leave bruises.
December 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
yeah, MarcDLS so you don’t have proof so you don’t have to go to jail right?
that’s just like saying Commit murder just don’t leave blood!! >:(
December 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
That’s is an asinine analogy and only a foolish person would believe that is even remotely true. Not leaving bruises shows that the child was not hit hard enough to cause lasting bodily injury. This is something I would wager anyone with an average IQ would realize. You, obviously, fall below this category.
December 11th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Buttmunchhhhh said,
post 67
“Gasmonso ;your a retard . beating your kid is the worst thing you could ever do.”
post 72 “All this talk about smacking is getting me excited.”
post 66 “you people are sick. I have two neices and to think of ever doing that to them ? NO!”
i see why you don’t spank and that is a really good reason not to spank.
Buttmunchh, calling Gasmonso a retard is really retarded. Gasmonso supports your point of view, that’s why he put the article up. So, really you’re the retard, ahaha, that’s funny. Butmunchhh, you made a crack and didn’t even know it.
You are missing the point of spanking and MarcDLS mentions part of solution “Spanking shows kids that there are negative and unpleasant repercussions to improper behavior.” I feel there is also safety issue at hand, that Gasmonso knows very well, disobedience.
Disobedience to an order or demand can get you killed. What would you rather have Buttmunchhh, spanking that hurts a little on your bumbum or be seriously hurt or even killed?
Don’t get me wrong, kids need to find out what pain is on their own, if they choose to do it their way but with the guidence of a loving parent.
“Oh yeah really with love right, hyrocket! the ‘express with love’ means ‘…’ haha noo love!!!”
Yes with love Buttmunchh not with ANGER. In love and you tell them why you are spanking them and spank them according to their state of maturiy, every child is different. Spank your child in anger and the lesson will not be learned and they will harden their hearts to you.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Buttmunch, we have all gone astray and we have all gone our way. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is our Father In heaven who gives us the life and the truth and has taken our iniquity of us all.
MarcDLS said, “All of those silly little religions are based on fear of hell.”
I give you Our Lord and Savour Jesus for it is a relationship that He will lead you into righteuosness and not a silly little religion of fear but the Life and Hope that set us FREE from this fear.
Hope you guys have a great weekend.
December 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
We raised 2 kids that were never hit and were children that any parent would be proud to have. Today they are honorable, upstanding adults also.
I do not believe that children need to be hit or should be hit. Hitting children teaches them that hitting is the way to deal with problems. Not to mention that I cannot understand how a parent could willingly hurt their child.
Instead of hitting we made rules and never wavered from them. If one of them was told to not do something or they would spend the rest of the day in their room - or whatever the punishment was - there was no “don’t do that again” and “I’m warning you” over and over. Instead they went straight to their rooms on the first offense, and believe me a day in their room or in more serious cases in their room without permission to play was enough to ensure good behavior. There was also grounding and loss of other privileges as punishment. Perhaps surpisingly to some, we had far fewer discipline problems than parents who hit.
December 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
By the way, I’m glad someone finally explained to buttmunch that he got the intent of the post all wrong. Do people not read before they comment?
December 16th, 2008 at 11:39 am
10 to 15 minutes spanking? oh really cause thats soooo much love. leave butmunchh alone hes got a point.
December 16th, 2008 at 11:55 am
obviously not, rucker because you and hyrocket got my perspective all wrong 10 -15 minutes of spanking is not with love. And if I’m the retard for calling Gasmonso a retard, you hyrocket, is the retard for calling me a retard. Also if spanking is the child’s best interest why don’t they ask for it? I bet you can’t answer that! and you don’t need to hit the child my three little sisters get put in the corner all the time trust me they learn their lesson! and no that really wasn’t all that funny, hyrocket are you a seven year old? and yes I do think that kids deserve to be spanked sometimes, maybe once in a while but NOT constantly for 10 -15 minutes! are you people crazy you would agree with Tammy Smith and burn the word ‘wimp’ into a kids neck for crying!
December 16th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
buttmunch - it is obvious from your posts that you either cannot read or do not read the actual posts people write.
December 16th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Buttmunch, i understand your point and everyone has their style of raising their children and my style or anyone else is not yours. You know your kids and I am sure you love them a lot to make a comment against this style of discipline. concerning that 10-15min is really long, i have to agree with you and the country of New Zealand is different to the United States. here is a website i believe is related to this article
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_story_skin/995128
look at…
Corporal punishment
Drury Christian School Principal Ron Bagrie explained
you said, “Also if spanking is the child’s best interest why don’t they ask for it?”
honestly, they won’t ask for it and i certainly would not ask for a spanking, too. and i appreciate you for standing against abuse towards kids and putting discipline in the parents hands which should be handled in a responsible manner that children need to obey their parents.
Hey Buttmunch have you been talking to Korgan, me being a retard?!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:16 am
I think the 10-15 minute process is a summary of talking to the child prior to and after the smacking. It’s poorly worded, but in all seriousness no sane person expects to spank a kid 10-15 minutes. As far as Buttmunchhhhh’s comment about “if spanking is the child’s best interest why don’t they ask for it,” why would a child ask for any sort of punishment? You continue to demonstrate your ignorance. I can’t believe you had the audacity to reproduce. The only thing you could do for society, at this point, is to remove yourself from the gene pool.
January 21st, 2009 at 2:18 pm
thank-you someone finally understands
January 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 am
“I do not believe that children need to be hit or should be hit. Hitting children teaches them that hitting is the way to deal with problems. Not to mention that I cannot understand how a parent could willingly hurt their child.”
Precisely!
I did considerable reading before becoming a parent about psychology, statistics, brain pysiology and various social studies related to raising children (hell, what can i say, im a sucker for research, evidence and the latest and greatest understandings, lol!) and all the latest research says that smacking children is NOT good for them and does NOT teach them WHY what they are doing is wrong, it only serves them to work out how to avoid getting caught so as to avoid getting hit again. it also teaches them that violence is an acceptable way of getting what you want.
January 24th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Could one make the same argument for ANY form on punishment? It makes no sense to say that it only applies to spanking. Fact is, every 5 or 10 years they come out with a different way to “best” raise kids. It’s simply a matter of opinion as to what is best for that individual child.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
As a professing Christian I cannot say that I agree with giving a child a beatdown like Mike Tyson or Rodney King, however I do agree with need to discipline a child with spanking. No! I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible. If a person doesn’t believe the Bible I sincerely don’t expect them to be able relate.
The aim should then be aimed at discrediting the Bible to really get any where. In the Bible the wisest man (except Jesus) is King Solomon who wrote Proverbs, where it says;
“Pro 13:24 Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on. “
“Pro 23:13 Do not hesitate to discipline a child. If you spank him, he will not die.”
These are just two quotes, in here its quite clear not referring to a beatdown with the aim to inflict serious life threatening spanking. It also refers to the quote by the in the article sarcastically referred to as family integrity.
I hope you can see that the real uphill struggle is not with the people who are committed to the Bible but with the Bible, for if you can convict them that the Bible is a farce then getting them to stop spanking their kids is easy.
Fa-real
January 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
“Could one make the same argument for ANY form on punishment? It makes no sense to say that it only applies to spanking. Fact is, every 5 or 10 years they come out with a different way to “best” raise kids. It’s simply a matter of opinion as to what is best for that individual child.”
Thats what science and evidence based research is all about - its not like things change by swinging back and forth - its a constant improvement based on all the known information at the time. 100 years ago the general consensus on child rearing was ’seen and not heard’, extremely authoratarian/disciplinarian and giving severe beatings - we have come a long way since then and no doubt will continue to.
And yes - its no secret that incarceration is no deterrent for crime, nor is it based on rehabilitation - its about punishment first and foremost.
“I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible.”
Again, if you prefer to take advice from a bronze age book over all the accumulated parenting knowledge we have acquired since then, then thats your perogative. Frankly, i want to know what ACTUALLY works to make my children grow up as mentally healthy, happy and good people who make their decisions in life based on a healthy respect for others rather than fearing beatdowns or even ONLY guided by some weird fear going to hell.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Jayman, the fearing committed talks about is a good type of fear. discipline can be applied in different forms but spanking in love needs to be given credit.
knowing you based on what i read you don’t like spanking. I understand the love you have for your girls but is it love to make them do things they want to do and if you tell them not to do something for their safety, to an extent? i think kids need to get hurt and explained why they got hurt so understanding of obedience or disobedience has a consequence because you love them.
Look at that Proverb 13:24b “but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.”
Jayman, prayer is important part of this relationship and the bond with prayer either as a family, brother, sister, husband or wife is spiritually powerful in the love only prayer brings in Christ. Your girls will see the love that penetrates their soul you have for them and will thanks to you always, in everything they do in their life, when they leave home.
This is my response and i mean not to offend you but offer help-that’s all.
One more thing, you mention bronze, this metal is still good today even when it was first used.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Read your own proverbs passage - it says “disciplines” and nothing to do with striking. the two words are often used with the same meaning, however, they arent the same thing.
I can discipline without having to resort to violence, physical OR emotional, and get the same results (with arguably more respect from her too)
Yep, bronze is a useful material, iron and stone too both have a range of uses. We arent living in the bronze age anymore however, we’ve moved on in all aspects of life, science, technology, culture and philosophical/moral understanding.
August 26th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
The New Zealand people have voted on an anti-smacking law
http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2009/massive-no-to-anti-smacking-law-politicians-must-listen/
October 1st, 2009 at 7:21 am
Thought I might comment on this as well because as I read the comments I see the misunderstanding on the smacking (not beating - big difference - find me I will show you the difference) for 10-15 minutes. Being a person who has disciplined my 3 children with a smack I know what this means.
Many a time I have sat down with my kids, at their eye level, and explained the situation. What was expected of them, how they behaved contrary to that expectation, what was the agreed punishment. This process can take a long time, sometimes the 10 minutes indicated. Discipline comes from a Greek word meaning “to train up”. This takes time.
So ‘yes’ the wording of Family Integrity’s little guide can be read one way. But if you do take time to discipline your children this phrase actually agrees with that practice as well.
A most interesting read these comments and a subject worth reading about.
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February 5th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
10-15 minutes process
“Some things are just plain humiliating and unnecessary: chastisement in public or the idea of pulling pants down to smack. Smacking may be a 10-15 minute process. Go to a private place, then fully discuss the crime. Ask the child to identify which of the four Ds was broken and to explain why he now needs a smack rather than a tongue lashing or isolation. Always give an opportunity to plead extenuating circumstances; be prepared to call in witnesses for cross examination; and if appropriate, DO NOT SMACK.”
Yes it seems it is a process…
February 5th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Do non smacked/spanked children turn out better?
http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2010/some-kids-are-never-spanked-do-they-turn-out-better/
February 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Do spanked adults on smack turn in better? OH, YES! http://sandm.com/2010/tiemeupandspankme/