Comments on: Christians Put The Smackdown On Their Kids http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185 Have faith in yourself Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:23:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: SES http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-441490 SES Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:13:32 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-441490 Do spanked adults on smack turn in better? OH, YES! http://sandm.com/2010/tiemeupandspankme/ Do spanked adults on smack turn in better? OH, YES! http://sandm.com/2010/tiemeupandspankme/

]]> By: BES http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-441430 BES Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:36:27 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-441430 Do non smacked/spanked children turn out better? http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2010/some-kids-are-never-spanked-do-they-turn-out-better/ Do non smacked/spanked children turn out better?
http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2010/some-kids-are-never-spanked-do-they-turn-out-better/

]]> By: BES http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-441429 BES Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:31:56 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-441429 10-15 minutes process "Some things are just plain humiliating and unnecessary: chastisement in public or the idea of pulling pants down to smack. Smacking may be a 10-15 minute process. Go to a private place, then fully discuss the crime. Ask the child to identify which of the four Ds was broken and to explain why he now needs a smack rather than a tongue lashing or isolation. Always give an opportunity to plead extenuating circumstances; be prepared to call in witnesses for cross examination; and if appropriate, DO NOT SMACK." Yes it seems it is a process... 10-15 minutes process
“Some things are just plain humiliating and unnecessary: chastisement in public or the idea of pulling pants down to smack. Smacking may be a 10-15 minute process. Go to a private place, then fully discuss the crime. Ask the child to identify which of the four Ds was broken and to explain why he now needs a smack rather than a tongue lashing or isolation. Always give an opportunity to plead extenuating circumstances; be prepared to call in witnesses for cross examination; and if appropriate, DO NOT SMACK.”

Yes it seems it is a process…

]]> By: Brenda Vaka http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-441342 Brenda Vaka Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:02:32 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-441342 Very informative post. I've found your blog via Bing and I'm really happy about the information you provide in your articles. Btw your sites layout is really messed up on the Kmelon browser. Would be great if you could fix that. Anyhow keep up the good work! Very informative post. I’ve found your blog via Bing and I’m really happy about the information you provide in your articles. Btw your sites layout is really messed up on the Kmelon browser. Would be great if you could fix that. Anyhow keep up the good work!

]]> By: Daron http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-419910 Daron Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:21:51 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-419910 Thought I might comment on this as well because as I read the comments I see the misunderstanding on the smacking (not beating - big difference - find me I will show you the difference) for 10-15 minutes. Being a person who has disciplined my 3 children with a smack I know what this means. Many a time I have sat down with my kids, at their eye level, and explained the situation. What was expected of them, how they behaved contrary to that expectation, what was the agreed punishment. This process can take a long time, sometimes the 10 minutes indicated. Discipline comes from a Greek word meaning "to train up". This takes time. So 'yes' the wording of Family Integrity's little guide can be read one way. But if you do take time to discipline your children this phrase actually agrees with that practice as well. A most interesting read these comments and a subject worth reading about. Thought I might comment on this as well because as I read the comments I see the misunderstanding on the smacking (not beating - big difference - find me I will show you the difference) for 10-15 minutes. Being a person who has disciplined my 3 children with a smack I know what this means.

Many a time I have sat down with my kids, at their eye level, and explained the situation. What was expected of them, how they behaved contrary to that expectation, what was the agreed punishment. This process can take a long time, sometimes the 10 minutes indicated. Discipline comes from a Greek word meaning “to train up”. This takes time.

So ‘yes’ the wording of Family Integrity’s little guide can be read one way. But if you do take time to discipline your children this phrase actually agrees with that practice as well.

A most interesting read these comments and a subject worth reading about.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-413932 Elizabeth Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:28:37 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-413932 The New Zealand people have voted on an anti-smacking law http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2009/massive-no-to-anti-smacking-law-politicians-must-listen/ The New Zealand people have voted on an anti-smacking law

http://familyintegrity.org.nz/2009/massive-no-to-anti-smacking-law-politicians-must-listen/

]]> By: Jayman http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-314419 Jayman Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:49:53 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-314419 Read your own proverbs passage - it says "disciplines" and nothing to do with striking. the two words are often used with the same meaning, however, they arent the same thing. I can discipline without having to resort to violence, physical OR emotional, and get the same results (with arguably more respect from her too) Yep, bronze is a useful material, iron and stone too both have a range of uses. We arent living in the bronze age anymore however, we've moved on in all aspects of life, science, technology, culture and philosophical/moral understanding. Read your own proverbs passage - it says “disciplines” and nothing to do with striking. the two words are often used with the same meaning, however, they arent the same thing.

I can discipline without having to resort to violence, physical OR emotional, and get the same results (with arguably more respect from her too)

Yep, bronze is a useful material, iron and stone too both have a range of uses. We arent living in the bronze age anymore however, we’ve moved on in all aspects of life, science, technology, culture and philosophical/moral understanding.

]]> By: hyrocket http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-314348 hyrocket Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:15:46 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-314348 Jayman, the fearing committed talks about is a good type of fear. discipline can be applied in different forms but spanking in love needs to be given credit. <blockquote>i want to know what ACTUALLY works to make my children grow up as mentally healthy, happy and good people who make their decisions in life based on a healthy respect for others"</blockquote> knowing you based on what i read you don't like spanking. I understand the love you have for your girls but is it love to make them do things they want to do and if you tell them not to do something for their safety, to an extent? i think kids need to get hurt and explained why they got hurt so understanding of obedience or disobedience has a consequence because you love them. Look at that Proverb 13:24b "but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on." Jayman, prayer is important part of this relationship and the bond with prayer either as a family, brother, sister, husband or wife is spiritually powerful in the love only prayer brings in Christ. Your girls will see the love that penetrates their soul you have for them and will thanks to you always, in everything they do in their life, when they leave home. This is my response and i mean not to offend you but offer help-that's all. One more thing, you mention bronze, this metal is still good today even when it was first used. Jayman, the fearing committed talks about is a good type of fear. discipline can be applied in different forms but spanking in love needs to be given credit.

i want to know what ACTUALLY works to make my children grow up as mentally healthy, happy and good people who make their decisions in life based on a healthy respect for others”

knowing you based on what i read you don’t like spanking. I understand the love you have for your girls but is it love to make them do things they want to do and if you tell them not to do something for their safety, to an extent? i think kids need to get hurt and explained why they got hurt so understanding of obedience or disobedience has a consequence because you love them.
Look at that Proverb 13:24b “but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.”
Jayman, prayer is important part of this relationship and the bond with prayer either as a family, brother, sister, husband or wife is spiritually powerful in the love only prayer brings in Christ. Your girls will see the love that penetrates their soul you have for them and will thanks to you always, in everything they do in their life, when they leave home.
This is my response and i mean not to offend you but offer help-that’s all.
One more thing, you mention bronze, this metal is still good today even when it was first used.

]]> By: Jayman http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-314323 Jayman Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:26:27 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-314323 "Could one make the same argument for ANY form on punishment? It makes no sense to say that it only applies to spanking. Fact is, every 5 or 10 years they come out with a different way to “best” raise kids. It’s simply a matter of opinion as to what is best for that individual child." Thats what science and evidence based research is all about - its not like things change by swinging back and forth - its a constant improvement based on all the known information at the time. 100 years ago the general consensus on child rearing was 'seen and not heard', extremely authoratarian/disciplinarian and giving severe beatings - we have come a long way since then and no doubt will continue to. And yes - its no secret that incarceration is no deterrent for crime, nor is it based on rehabilitation - its about punishment first and foremost. "I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible." Again, if you prefer to take advice from a bronze age book over all the accumulated parenting knowledge we have acquired since then, then thats your perogative. Frankly, i want to know what ACTUALLY works to make my children grow up as mentally healthy, happy and good people who make their decisions in life based on a healthy respect for others rather than fearing beatdowns or even ONLY guided by some weird fear going to hell. “Could one make the same argument for ANY form on punishment? It makes no sense to say that it only applies to spanking. Fact is, every 5 or 10 years they come out with a different way to “best” raise kids. It’s simply a matter of opinion as to what is best for that individual child.”

Thats what science and evidence based research is all about - its not like things change by swinging back and forth - its a constant improvement based on all the known information at the time. 100 years ago the general consensus on child rearing was ’seen and not heard’, extremely authoratarian/disciplinarian and giving severe beatings - we have come a long way since then and no doubt will continue to.
And yes - its no secret that incarceration is no deterrent for crime, nor is it based on rehabilitation - its about punishment first and foremost.

“I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible.”

Again, if you prefer to take advice from a bronze age book over all the accumulated parenting knowledge we have acquired since then, then thats your perogative. Frankly, i want to know what ACTUALLY works to make my children grow up as mentally healthy, happy and good people who make their decisions in life based on a healthy respect for others rather than fearing beatdowns or even ONLY guided by some weird fear going to hell.

]]> By: committed http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=185#comment-314172 committed Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:07:57 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/19/christians-put-the-smackdown-on-their-kids/#comment-314172 As a professing Christian I cannot say that I agree with giving a child a beatdown like Mike Tyson or Rodney King, however I do agree with need to discipline a child with spanking. No! I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible. If a person doesn’t believe the Bible I sincerely don’t expect them to be able relate. The aim should then be aimed at discrediting the Bible to really get any where. In the Bible the wisest man (except Jesus) is King Solomon who wrote Proverbs, where it says; “Pro 13:24 Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on. “ “Pro 23:13 Do not hesitate to discipline a child. If you spank him, he will not die.” These are just two quotes, in here its quite clear not referring to a beatdown with the aim to inflict serious life threatening spanking. It also refers to the quote by the in the article sarcastically referred to as family integrity. I hope you can see that the real uphill struggle is not with the people who are committed to the Bible but with the Bible, for if you can convict them that the Bible is a farce then getting them to stop spanking their kids is easy. Fa-real As a professing Christian I cannot say that I agree with giving a child a beatdown like Mike Tyson or Rodney King, however I do agree with need to discipline a child with spanking. No! I’m not a fanatic but in Christianity the sole authority in this discussion for me is the Bible. If a person doesn’t believe the Bible I sincerely don’t expect them to be able relate.

The aim should then be aimed at discrediting the Bible to really get any where. In the Bible the wisest man (except Jesus) is King Solomon who wrote Proverbs, where it says;
“Pro 13:24 Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on. “
“Pro 23:13 Do not hesitate to discipline a child. If you spank him, he will not die.”

These are just two quotes, in here its quite clear not referring to a beatdown with the aim to inflict serious life threatening spanking. It also refers to the quote by the in the article sarcastically referred to as family integrity.

I hope you can see that the real uphill struggle is not with the people who are committed to the Bible but with the Bible, for if you can convict them that the Bible is a farce then getting them to stop spanking their kids is easy.

Fa-real

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