Ken Ham, founder of Answers in Genesis, is one year away from opening up what is to be the world’s only premiere Creation Museum. The museum is a $25 million, 50,000 sq ft facility that will serve as a tool to teach the "true" story of creation–that God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago. Full story here.
Ham contends that this museum will provide Christians the necessary tools to prove that, "the Bible is true and that the Christian faith can be logically defended." Furthermore, the museum will explain the "real" history of dinosaurs. This will be a place where, "parents, their children, and youth groups can get solid answers to counter the anti-Christian attacks of our day." "Visitors will leave knowing how to use the Bible to build their thinking in all areas."
If you think this is just another crazy project that won’t take off, think again. They have already raised $21 million and construction is well underway. The museum itself is $14 million, and the rest will be spent on acquiring exhibits from all over the world.
This really disturbs me because they are positioning this museum as a weapon against evolution. Evolution is science and is based on countless years of research, physical evidence, and methodical testing. The story of Genesis is not science and is best described by Mary Dawson, curator emeritus of vertebrate paleontology at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh.
Genesis is a tale that was handed down for generations by people who really knew nothing about science, who knew nothing about natural history, and certainly knew nothing about what fossils were.
This is borderline insanity. Check out what John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, an organization that promotes creationism, had to say on this matter… "The museum will affirm the doubts many people have about science, namely the notion that man evolved from lower forms of life."
"Americans just aren’t gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish."
Well John, I think you overestimate Americans because they certainly were ignorant enough to donate $21 million dollars to what amounts to nothing more than a Fairy Tale museum.
Feel free to chime in on this one.
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Mark, for the nth time we’ve had to do this….
Please remember, Evolution is still a “Theoryâ€, which by its own definition is NOT fact.
fact. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Retrieved March 18, 2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact
1 Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2 a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3 A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
theory. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Retrieved March 18, 2007, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory
1 A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2 The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory. *note: empahsis mine, and only the 2 that find usage in science selected*
Yes Mark, by definition fact!=theory, but your conjecture offers nothing more to the argument than me saying that rock!=cloud, apple!=orange, and god!=reality. Theories are not facts, they are scientific predictions based on current facts that can predict other facts.
In all actuality, you have to have more faith to believe in Evolution than in the Bible.
While it may take faith to believe in something, I doubt that any scientist believes in evolution. Its is better to say that they accept the theory that organisms change over time.
The Bible has never been proven wrong; even our BEST scientific methods have!
The bible has been proven quite wrong. Bats are not birds, rabbits don’t chew cud, eating shrimp (even by christian standards) is not a sin anymore, the world didn’t end in the life time of the apostles.
Now yes, some of the best scientific theories and methods have been proven wrong, but this doesn’t show the weakness of science, this shows its strength. Those previous methods and theories were found lacking in their ability to predict new occurances in a general environment and were happily tossed out in the light of new contradicting evidence.
Science gladly expunges itself of bad material. The bible has simply remained unchanged despite a multitude of located errors.
Don’t fall prey to criticizing the Bible simply because you don’t understand its truths.
Don’t fall prey to criticizing science simply because you lack personal credulity to understand it.
Hello Mark,
For supposedly having a B.S., you sure don’t understand much about the scientific method.
“Evolution is still a “Theoryâ€, which by its own definition is NOT fact.”
Yep, just like the theory of gravity, germ theory, the kinetic theory of gas, cell theory, atomic theory, plate tectonic theory, quantum theory, and many, many others. Just like evolution, these are still ‘theories’. Also, like evolution, these are well supported theories. Many of which are incomplete and contain discrepancies. Yet we still accept these other well supported theories as ‘fact’. In the strict sense, yes, none of these are proven to be strictly facts, only our best working models. But the common use of the word ‘fact’ does apply to well supported scientific theories, including evolution.
“The Bible has never been proven wrong”
I hear this claim from Christians quite frequently. The problem is that Christians often have a warped sense of ‘proof’. They ultimately rely on the Bible as the final arbiter of truth. Of course the Bible cannot be proven false when you start with that sort of circular reasoning. The problem is that circular reasoning is not valid logic.
I could list a bunch of things that the Bible is wrong about, but I’m sure you’ve heard them all before and have circumlocuted your way around them.
please show me where the bible has been proven wrong. i really need to know all the instances you know of. Chances are you really don’t have any because there are none. Christ was here, died for YOUR sins and rose again. Have you ever given him a chance? Denial does not change the truth my friend. Nor does your pseudo-intelligence pose any real threat to God. I pray that he hasn’t already hardened your heart as he did Pharoah, and that you will come to a saving grace knowledge of his love. God Bless You!
Hey Scott, how about the great flood that Noah was involved in? No evidence there. They dated some pieces of wood from the top of Mt Ararat but it was several thousand years too young to have been from the supposed ark.
How Jesus supposed miracles? Written by people who existed many years after he may have existed. No proof their just fairy tales. If he was so powerful why didn’t he cure cancer instead of wasting his power on party tricks.
How about rising from the dead? Seen it done? You have to prove it happened. Non believers don’t have to prove a fantasy false. Otherwise we’d have to prove that pixies don’t live at the end of the garden. You claim it happened, show us, should be easy if it did occur.
I have often told my children that the people who created the posters depicting the evolutionary climb from anthropoid to homosapiens and the 3D exhibits that are used to illustrate the theory of evolution were done by artists like their father. Museum exhibits can be quite convincing. Hence your apparent fear of one about creation and intelligent design.
Modern Science has come about because of the labors of curious people of faith like Mendel, the father of genetics, who believed “God created the heavens and the earth”. Through belief in one creator or designer they deduced a set of natural laws that were observable and consistent.
Through the belief in “evolution” and the classification of my parents and grandparents as “racially inferior”, this strange science laid the underpinnings of the science of eugenics, an attempt to give evolution a helping hand by sterilizing or exterminating inferior stock. When man is not believed to be created “in God’s image”, society “devolves” very quickly- as was the case in Hitler’s Germany.
@jake rosen
what a shameless attempt to trivialize the circumstances that led to development of the third reich in order to promote your own religious dogma… maybe you should brush up on some history.
Godwin’s law again…
Also, It’s amazing how you can take so many words to atribute so little…
“”Through the belief in “evolution†and the classification of my parents and grandparents as “racially inferior†“”
So, you’re basically saying this: “Evolution theory is wrong because it doesn’t fit in with how I think the world should work” Overal, if a species is to evolve, you are “genetically superior” to your grandparent, but you seem to think that those posters show one generation after the other?
I also love your non-argument that genetics was invented by a christian. And why do you accept all the other scientific theories, but not evolution? some quantum mechanical issues are far more ‘blasphemous’ then evolution, but it’s a bit more complicated then evolution (which is obviously beyond your grasp as well)
ps. if having a BS is an argument; I have a master’s degree, You can all trust me…….. :S
I have also heard the argument “Show me where the bible is wrong” to which I normally reply “Prove to me that the bible is true” and people that doesn’t mean “Because it says it is.
Anyone ever use this email account program before? Just curious, I’m looking for software that will mass create email accounts.
There always seems to be a Racist, Sexist, evolution religious freak out there somewhere. Looks like I just found one of there websites. Evolution is the biggest lie of the century. Makes you wonder why the first two major people to promote it where Karl Marx and Adolph Hitler. Atheist scientists are the only one that say they have facts, ever think they are a bit biased and might lean towards their own personal interests. Here recently more and more scientists are scrapping evolution as a real theory, maybe its time you catch up on the news. In fact you might want to get a life or a job or something worth your time, and quit bashing what you dont understand.
One of the things that drove me away from Christianity is when I voluntarily attended a Creationism seminar that my church was holding. I heard the most bizarre and far-fetched ideas and theories I had ever heard at the time or since then. I’ve seen more evidence to support the theory of UFOs and ghosts.
“Americans just aren’t gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish.”
I love how Americans refer to Americans and not People. Do Americans think that they’re the only true people? Ha, hahaha, ha.
With the subject of word meanings on hand, I’d like for anyone who cares to get a nice little surprise to check out my MySpace page and read the Faith Proof. One would be surprised to find out what faith REALLY is. My profile name on there is Supernaut says “religiousfreaks.com”
“Jake Rosen Says:
June 12th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
When man is not believed to be created “in God’s image”, society “devolves” very quickly- as was the case in Hitler’s Germany.”
-funny, cause Hitler’s Germany was still primarily christian. the people that did the dirty work, the people who followed orders blindly were christian. perhaps they were brought up that way you know, believe, dont question, follow the dogma, dont question. dont question or you are a heretic…
“scott Says:
April 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
please show me where the bible has been proven wrong. i really need to know all the instances you know of. ”
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
here you go
Unicorns, dragons, talking snakes, magic, witches and wizards ~ The Bible
Unicorns, dragons, talking snakes, magic, witches and wizards ~ Harry Potter
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I find it curious that Christians are looked down upon for ignoring scientific evidence, when evolutionists will happily ignore the irreducible complexity of the E.Coli’s flagellum. It is a 40 part tail which is essentially an outboard motor that rotates at 100 000 rpm. If just one of those 40 structural parts is missing, or placed in the wrong order, the “motor” wold fail to function. So how did it miraculously involve this extremely complex tail?
Now I agree that ignoring evidence is a terrible approach to science. So think about the E.Coli bacterium. What does it uggest about evolution? Wrong? Not necesarily … flawed? Definately.
I’m all for science. But don’t do what Christians are accused of and blindly follow evolution.
The irreducible complexity argument has been refuted. Usually the example used by creationists is the eye. Google it. The simple fact is, i there is a part missing, as in the example given, then the structure is something else! It then evolves into the supposedly irreducibly complex structure.
Christians should be looked down upon, because they are so gullible, and because they are too cowardly to face the facts of the real world. Ridicule their idiotic sky fairy and talking snake / young earth beliefs at every opportunity.
Of course, being willing to withstand rdicule to demonstrate your beliefs is cowardly. Those who get persected, beaten, tortured even killed for openly living as Christians in foreign countries are obviously cowards. I mean, its so much braver so sit at home on the computer and make snide remarks about a group at whole and completely ignore those among them who spend their lives working fr the good of their fellow human beings. This is what they call “loving others”. Disagree with their religion if you want, but don’t slander the good people among them for the sake of your prejudice.
And just a thought, if gullibility is to be unduly trusting and confiding, I hope you have closely studied the scriptures you are against, allowed both theists and atheists to provide you with an interpretative. Otherwise you would be living in the height of hypocrisy by trusting science without having tested it.
Irreducible complexity has not been refuted. The evidence that has supposedly refuted the flagellum is that there are more primitive bacterial tails however there is no actual evidence of evolution form the primitive to the 40 art outboard motor of the E.coli’s flagellum. It can be, in scientists opinions, safely assumed that there is a link. And I wonder if there was no theory of evolution before this discovery, would this link be enough to form one?
The other research that supposedly debunked its idea was an experiment using computer code and replicating it to see if it could naturally evolve the ability to perform addition. The results of this clearly contradict the idea of irreducible complexity. My question on this experiment however,if this is a valid experiment, the who was our experimenter? Who wrote the code that makes up life?
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If we evolved from a monkey .then why are there still monkeys
Chad, your ignorance of evolution is an embarrassment to our education system.
Evolution does not say that we evolved from monkeys, but rather that we share a common ancestor with them. Read some of the prior posts for more about that.
You are merely ignorant and very stupid.
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