This morning while researching an article, I came across some very troubling information indeed. I share this knowledge with great trepidation knowing that many child memories will be shattered.
Like many kids growing up in the 80s, I too watched many icons on television and the big screen. The big three were Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Chuck Norris. These men single-handedly rid the world of bad guys and rescued the good ones. Each could seemingly survive on stink and sweat alone, lay waste to vast armies, and yet still find time for a little romance.
But all good things come to an end and this is no different. Schwarzenegger took to politics… Stallone slowly faded away… and Chuck, well Chuck is busy trying to put Bibles in public schools. WTF!!!
Chuck is on the Board of Directors for the National Council On Bible Curriculum. There goal is to put a state certified Bible class in every public highschool to better educate today’s youth.
Damn, that’s just like a stake through the heart of 13-year-old gasmonso. Really, it’s like I just found out I was adopted and everybody else new all along. I weep openly and I ask why Chuck. Why?
Well here’s the childhood wrecking video. Watch at your own risk :( Sorry to lose you Chuck. We’ll miss ya man.
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September 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Why Chuck?! To think I used to believe in you. To think that I once had faith that on the 7th day Chuck Norris just created himself and roundhoused god for being lazy. Now what will we do?
Oh well, another gone to the dark side.
September 6th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Well, at least he’s not as scary as Kirk Cameron. :-)
September 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
I told everyone that Bruce Lee (my childhood hero) could kick his ass! But NOOOOOOOO, no one would listen then ;)
September 6th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris
September 6th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
I think it’s a great idea. After all, they’re suggesting the Bible be taught legally as literature/history. So why not?
Let’s begin by looking at the creation myth and compare it to various other creation myths. Next, we’ll look at the genocide we find detailed in the Old Testament. After that, a bit of time in the prophets would show how the fantasy genre is actually an ancient form. Finally, we’ll look at the New Testament and the contradictory teachings we find there on grace and works.
If we do our job right, our kids will come out of the class realizing that the Bible is a ridiculous bunch of fairy tales. Sounds great to me.
In all seriousness, I have no problem with it provided (and that’s a big “provided”) the class also looks at (as literature/history, of course) the Koran, the Vedas, the Tripitaka, _Dianetics_ and the _Book of Mormon_.
September 6th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
Unless it’s a class on religion in general, not propaganda, I don’t think it’s a good idea. The schools already appear to be incapable of putting out thinking citizens as is. On the other hand I wanted to gouge my eyes out when I was forced to read ‘The Great Gatsby’ in school. Trust me no student will ever willingly read a bible. I’ve tried and tedious doesn’t begin to describe it.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
I liked the Great Gatsby… but then again, I was a literature student ;)
The idea of studying religion in general seems dodgy but ok to me… the problem being that to teach something like that you’d need extra qualifications. Otherwise you’ll probably just have some christian fundie preaching about the bible.
As for Chuck Norris, for shame. Public schools are secular and non-biased, that is why we have private schools.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
“Their”, gasmonso. Please do not let this site start resembling Slashdot!
September 7th, 2006 at 12:33 am
Hey dragon, I wrote this one while at work so gimme a break ;)
I do wish my traffic would be more like Slashdot :)
September 7th, 2006 at 12:41 am
calling people out for spelling and grammar would make it just like slashdot.
I welcome our new religious freak overlords.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:52 am
I’ve been considering re-reading some of the classics since I’ve gotten older, I read for pleasure now. The minute I saw Chuck on a info-mercial I knew he wasn’t to be trusted.
September 7th, 2006 at 3:10 am
WTF Maaaaaaaannnnnnnnn
he was one of my best actors.
Fu*k
September 7th, 2006 at 6:10 am
The only “Bible” that needs to be read is “The Tao of Jeet Kune Do” by Bruce Lee. Guess Chuck Norris had thirty odd years to come up with his own philosophy and came up empty. Or maybe all the “one inch” punches he received from Bruce Lee to the head during filming of “Return of the Dragon” finally is revealing themselves.
Remember Bruce’s wise words: “Man, the Living creature, the Creating individual, is always more Important than any established style or system.”
September 7th, 2006 at 6:58 am
Cue Chuck facts in three…two…
I’m all for religion in schools (strange as that may sound.) As long as it is, like Eliot and Gary said, about the phenomenon religion and thus objective, instead of someone preaching.
I went to a christian highschool (it was the closest and frankly the best school) and my religion classes were totally objective and I really feel like i learned something from them. What’s wrong with that? If we can better learn to understand each other, shouldn’t you give Chuck some credit?
however, as this is called bible curriculum, you probably can’t expect anything even close to open-mindedness.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:38 am
“The goal of ReligiousFreaks is not to incite hatred towards people of faith, but rather to expose the hypocrisy in their chosen religion.”
I am a Christian. I watched the video clip provided (Chuck and his wife) and went to the site Curriculum site.
It looks like the Bible Curriculum people have the constitutional right to do what they are doing. I’m not sure how effective it will be but that’s another matter.
What strikes me as “Freaky” is Chucks quote in the video, “we can change the course of our county…and God knows we need it”. This quote coming from a guy who stared in movies like “Hellbound” and “The Hitman”. Not exactly the poster child for “Family Values”.
Chuck needs to stick to what he knows best, kicking ass, killing bad guys and pushing fitness equipment.
September 7th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Why chuck why? Who is going to stop the evil priest who is brainwashing the people of (insert little unknown village here) into trying to walk on water now?
On a more serious note though, if the bible is just studied as some literature/history, so be it, but hey let’s also include the quran when studying middle east, buddah’s teachings when studying the far east and all the other numerous religions. There has to be a line somewhere, and as soon as we start teaching one religion at school all the other religions will start crying “me too, this is descrimination!”
As for myself, the first school i visited after moving to israel was a little moslem school in my moslem village(me being the moslem i was back then) i didn’t mind the religion lessons although they were the most stupid, boring and useless lessons we had. it was a great relieve when at high school i moved to a private school owned by a christian priest, although the school was christian there was NO religion being taught there, and the priest knew more about islam than i did(me being the agnostic i was back then.) Obviously he sometimes said things that moslems wouldn’t exactly like(”god created us like himself/at his image”) but those were minor slips, he used to quote both religions as often as he could.
Now chuck take that bible and teach it to your little children at home, every family can teach their own religion if they care so much. it would be violating the rights of all other religions to have only one taught at school.
Agony
September 8th, 2006 at 4:05 am
look agony I will explain it to you –>
GOD ( creation from the religion books first born in the jew religion ) is testing chuck norris , so if he didn’t follow according to the rules he will be burned in hell.
people you still listen to this shit , we are in the 21th century get over you fears, there is no GOD.
so..
F*ck GOD F*uck chuck
September 8th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
sparty1969 Says:
September 7th, 2006 at 8:38 am
“It looks like the Bible Curriculum people have the constitutional right to do what they are doing. I’m not sure how effective it will be but that’s another matter.“
I pretty much doubt that, if they want to push Christianity in public schools. However, I can’t be bothered to check up on it as public schools cesspools of loser creation (hey, I went to a public school and look at me). Add organized religion and you take a bad thing and make it worse.
Funny, while I am not spiritual at all I find spirituality to be a good thing, but then people take it and warp it into this assinine concept like all the major religions. Do these people have any idea how stupid they sound? Its actually pretty hilarious, they all think they are right and they are pretty much all mutually exclusive. They can’t ALL be correct, so either they are all wrong (and my money is on this) or there are a LOT of people that are going to be disappointed in the afterlife.
I am not suprised about this. Why should I? People are always finding religion for ridiculous reasons, and a lot of people believe in the happy unicorn (generic label for their lord and savior) and want to use their fame to promote their little piece of insanity.
September 8th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
A response to Amjad,there is no need in cursing god,the god you claim you don’t believe in,because of the simple fact,why cursing some thing which does not exist?
and to the article,i agree with Agony
September 8th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
one time, chuck norris double-teamed a chick… by himself…
September 10th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
I always thought Chuck Norristo be full of shit in the first place …… now i’m convinced of it.
pure creepiness
September 28th, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Most of you are blind to the fact that God chose Chuck to come to Him and opened his eyes to his sin. What keeps you from coming to Christ. Is it your love of the world? Is it self righteosness or maybe you dont see your need of a savior from sin. As an ex alcoholic and drug addict not from the dark side in employment. Worked in hospital then vitamins for 10 years and love texas ranger show. Do yo love sports, hollywood, your love of self and pleasure. Jesus said repent and turn from your sins. Why will you die?Flee to Christ now and dont harden your hearts. Judjement is coming soon. If our arab militants come here where will your freedom be? Your necks will be cut off unless you convert. Forget about your toys and trinkets then. You like cat stevens or Chuck Norris. How about looking at our schools now. Years ago the bible was preeminent in every ivy league college. Now you got your liberals.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:02 pm
“What keeps you from coming to Christ. Is it your love of the world? Is it self righteosness or maybe you dont see your need of a savior from sin.”
Science, common sense, logic, living in the real world.
“As an ex alcoholic and drug addict not from the dark side in employment.”
Just because fairy tales helped you doesn’t mean they’re good for the world.
“Do yo love sports, hollywood, your love of self and pleasure. Jesus said repent and turn from your sins.”
I’m an atheist, and like life as much as the next guy. I’m not a hedonistic sinning machine. Secular humanism trumps christian morals any day.
“Judjement is coming soon.”
It’s people like you who think the world is going to end soon, that make it happen.
“If our arab militants come here where will your freedom be? Your necks will be cut off unless you convert.”
…and why will they be here? Oh, that’s right, RELIGION.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
My lost Father, secularism, evolution, amd your world wiew are just reasons to deny that ther is a hell. There are many religions but only one that dies for its savior. No wonder, He died for sinners like me and you and the world. Thankfully we still have the bible after all these years and a fisherman who cursed alot later on said these words” there is no other name under heaven where a man can be saved” Christ said I am the way, the truth the life. No one can come to the father but by me. nfortunatly my athiest jewish background didnt teach this. Protestants turned the world over and millions came to know the Lord. But it is not religion that will destroy the earth. After the last of Christs people are called, then the end will come. Are you man enough to read the gospels? Maybe at night when nobody can see. Cry to God that He will open your eyes to the truth of his word. Though so many on tv are hippocrits, that dont mean you wont have to answer to god for yor sins personally. Can you rest your head tonight knowing if you die there is no second chance. You will be separated from God for eternity in a place I wouldnt describe. Read what Jesus says if you are brave enough. By the way, I was a celtic fan, loved magic and Larry and Michael. My friend we are not freaks. We just found a peace that passes all understanding. Did any religious leader ever willingly be nailed to a roman tree for his enemies sin. What will philosophy give you when you cry for the rocks and mountains to fall on you and hide you from the wrath of god. Rev.6 Thank God he calls us to Himself and gave us a conscience so that we are without excuse. Yes I took methadone when I was 18. Yeah I got my share of girls in the 70’s. But when God called me from a sad life with no meaning, all I could do is run to Him. Not to a church or priest or rabbi or minister. To christ who said all that the Father gives me will come to me and I will raise Him the last day. If norris had a changed heart by God , he is saved. But even Jesus said many will say to me Lord Lord did we not do so many things for you and jesus gives the most horrifying words ever spoken in history. I never knew you depart from me into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Mathew 7:13 14. My friend, you are not a father but a lost sinner like I was. Jesus calls you now and everyone on this sight that hates Christ and have no real meaning in life. Come unto me all you that are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Do you think I am still dreaming or fall under karl marx’s opiate is religion for the people. It’s a crutch. If only he knew what he was saying. May God give you a burning desire to read the Gospel of John or if a Jew the Gospel of Mathew. Be a man and read the truth.
September 28th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
Dare I put up the series of quotes from the bible in which it clearly states that the signs of the end times and the coming of the Kingdom of the Lord would all happen during the lifetimes of the listeners? I’ve done it on a couple of articles already.
Do you think I am still dreaming or fall under karl marx’s opiate is religion for the people. It’s a crutch.
Yeah, you’ve done a pretty good job of convincing me that, yes, you are still dreaming under the mass halucination of revalistic faith.
May God give you a burning desire to read the Gospel of John or if a Jew the Gospel of Mathew. Be a man and read the truth.
Had it, read it, not impressed by either. They claimed to be fufilling so many prophesies… but I couldn’t find those anywhere in the previous books. Might I suggest some things for you? Try Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos” or better yet try this on for size:
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2004/07/
There is the truth and wonder of the universe. That is awe inspiring and beautiful. The bible? Just another book on the shelf, next to all the other fantasy epics that I have. And Tolkien was a better world builder than those bible writers, its a whole lot more engaging.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:43 am
You seem to think that I should be afraid of some kind of hell, when every bit of logic tells me that it does not exist. All the time you spout your message, you never once begin to accept the fact that it might not be real. I think you are more afraid that there is nothing when you die, and that you got yourself through your drug problem, not god. So you don’t just hope… you believe. Personally, I HOPE that one day man or man’s machine will be able to bring back all of those who have died in one form or another, but i do not believe it. I do not know that it will happen… in fact, I highly doubt it will. Because I hope, and not believe, it doesn’t effect decisions in the life I am leading now. That is the problem with believing things you can’t proove.
If there is some kind of god, (and there isn’t… there just isn’t) then I’d have no reason to be afraid of going to hell. It is one thing to believe in an afterlife as a crutch, but to be so naive as to think that unless someone accepts exactly what you believe, they will be tortured for all eternity, is downright sick.
September 29th, 2006 at 2:52 am
BTW, I go to bed everynight knowing that anyday I could die, so I’d better enjoy the life I have, and try to make a difference. When I die, I won’t really care… because I’ll be dead. Do you go to bed at night praying for the end of the world?
“My friend we are not freaks. We just found a peace that passes all understanding.”
You are freaks. You just found a fairy tale that ignores all understanding.
I don’t understand why people believe this stuff. If you’re going to throw away all reason to believe something that will help you get through the day… then why not pick something a little less greusome and horrifying?
September 29th, 2006 at 8:29 am
For the love of all that is unholy, Doug discover the PARAGRAPH MAN! Your writing is hard enough to read as it stands, that makes it damn near impossible.
As for your point, I have no idea what you were trying to say, but from my skimming I see you spouted a lot of tripe as is typical of your kind. Let me TRY to help you, but only YOU can really help yourself, quoting bible verses at us will not, now or ever, convert us. Understand?
I can only really speak for myself, but I belive most of us find bible verses quite hilarious in context, but when quoted by someone trying to have a discussion on the merits of religion, it comes off as really very sad. All I see is someone who either was born and raised in that garbage and never really had the spine to make a decision for themselves, or they got themselves into some trouble (prisoners), fell down hard and had trouble getting back up (drug addicts, alchies, etc) and needed a crutch. And poof, there is this mythological god in your time of need.
September 29th, 2006 at 8:36 am
again guys, you are big shots behind this computer but prove me wrong by reading for yourselves, the word og God. Easy enough to understand. I hope so. What do you think when athletes show there faith after there game ends? Is that also a crutch. As John and our Lord came over 2000 years ago repent or perish.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:18 am
again guys, you are big shots behind this computer but prove me wrong by reading for yourselves, the word og God.
See, the problem is that any assertion you make, is going to be a tautology. You will state from the Bible an assertion, and expect it to be disproven by the bible. You can’t get peer review that way. You have to be open to other sources of data besides your own. To have a little fun with this concept, let us say…
Assertion:Humanistic Jones says the Sky is orange and says that he is correct.
A)The bible is correct because the bible claims to be correct. (Given)
B)The bible was writen by humans. (Given)
C)Through substitution, Humans are correct because humans claim to be correct.
D)Humanistic Jones is a Human. (Given)
E)Substitution again, Humanistic Jones is correct because he claims to be correct.
Conclusion-The sky is orange you heritics!!!
What do you think when athletes show there faith after there game ends? Is that also a crutch.
What do you think when a rap star accepts an award for Best R&B title for his song “Smack the ho down” and thanks Jesus for it? What about when the parents of two opposing little league teams all pray to god to have them win the game (Sorry Tommy, but I don’t really feel like helping you today, I’m going to go let Johny win). Atheliets thanking god for their victory would be like me thanking Buddah for my ability to program at work. Did they not spend time training for that moment? Did they not work hard for that day? No shame in taking a little credit there. Also, when I was on sports teams as a child, even when I was still Christian, it always creeped me out when the coach started praying for the team, kinda made me feel like he had no confidence in us if he had to ask god for a win.
As John and our Lord came over 2000 years ago repent or perish.
Wow did anyone else just hear death to the infedel there?
September 29th, 2006 at 9:40 am
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again guys, you are big shots behind this computer but prove me wrong by reading for yourselves, the word og God.
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Surely you jest, how am I to prove you wrong by reading your bible? Which I have by the way, and it was quite an experience. I laughed, I cried. However, the prose needs work. Whoever wrote it has a great imagination but damn they really need to learn to write.
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Easy enough to understand. I hope so.
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In concept yes, but the thees and thous get in the way sometimes.
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What do you think when athletes show there faith after there game ends? Is that also a crutch.
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I think you are just being thick here but whatever. The belief itself is a crutch, but it has no bearing on them “thanking god”. I have no idea why they do that, maybe they feel its the socially acceptable thing to do, maybe they believe it. If YOU believe that god had anything to do with them winning and not the other 4 christians running alongside them or whatever, then what can I say? I think that is ridiculous. Why would god give a damn whether that guy wins or not. What happens when the christian guy loses to the athiest? Do christians always win sports over athiests, muslims, buddists? Can you see how absolutely ridiculous that point is?
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As John and our Lord came over 2000 years ago repent or perish.
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I am going to perish whether I accept YOUR lord and savior or not. And guess what, so are you. Not much we can do about it. I believe we will both just go away at death, you believe you are going to be wisked away to some fantasy land where you will live in ultimate comfort and peace for ever and ever, amen. You just have to do exactly as we say, give up 10% of your earnings and never question us. Thats it! And you TOO can experience the christian afterlife. Its like a snake oil salesmen that can never have their product tested or has to deal with the disgruntled former customers, what a deal. It astounds me to no end that people actually believe this crap.
September 29th, 2006 at 9:41 am
…and yes I know I broke the law of Transferance of Universal Affirmatives (All wood burns, states Sir Bedivier, therefor he concludes all that burns is wood) in that one, but it was a fun little exercise. The point really was that asking a person to debunk the bible with the bible is like asking someone to debunk Origin of the Species using Origin of the Species… oh wait, Origin of the species doesn’t contradict itself on a regular basis.
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:41 pm
Jesus told His disciples” Don’t give what is holy to dogs.
Remember, Chuck Norris didn’t chose to make some decision for Christ. If he is really born again, he will love God and His Son Christ Jesus. But as Ephesians spurts out without any embarrasment written by the apostle Paul, guilde by the Spirit, “But you were dead in tresspasses and sins. But God who is rich in mercy opened your eyes and quickened you to a new life. For by grace we are saved through faith and that not of yourselves. But it is the gift of god that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works. Ask God for wisdom for James tells us if any of you lacks wisdom, God will grant it as much as needed. Remember, God sent Christ into the world to die for sinners. That is the real story of Christmas. Not the Jews or Romans but He died for His people. who are His people? Paul said about 2000 years ago that he was not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God to all who believe. To the Jew first and the Greek or now the gentile. It’s still a joke to some of you. Well christ still loves sinners but those who continuously reject His offer of Mercy including the 4 or 5 of you with all the answers, what will you answer to Christ
when you stand before him on judjement day? What can you say? I was an Athiest. All Christians are hippocrits. There is no hell.Jesus tells us in Mathew 7vs 13:14 Depart from me you accursed into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Do you wonder why you have no real inner peace or joy. Because of a great void in your soul which everyone has from a programmer to a plumber to a junkie. Yes many lost souls in this world need a crutch and alcoholics annonymous is a good one. It keeps people straight. But it is a higher power that keeps them not only straight but allows them not to rely on meetings any more because God promised to give His Spirit to those who eh calls. I am giving you a simple lesson in historical Christianity or as some call Calvinism. Now you can use that word to continue to write like a fool or curse God but
Paul and David were murderers and actors and atheletes still will come to Gods calling. But you havent been called
You need to ask God to show you your heart. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by The word of God. Most people brought up in Christian homes fall away when the pressure of the world and money or lust takes them. Thankfully there are a few alive today who are bold enough not to deny Christ. Forget about those on t.v. who ask for money or on channel hollywood who can sing and dance and jump around. They are talented. But Jesus said “If anyone wants to come after me, let him deny himself and be my disciple and come follow me. Sounds boring doesn’t it. Thats because you are still blind and yet think you see. You are deaf and yet think you hear. Isaiah said this in old testament and it was fulfilled in new testament for most of the religios leaders hated Christ.
Do you hate him also? Well we will you go if you die or christ returns again. I urge you as a friend to flee to Christ and stop living for yourselves. 1 Corinthians speaks about murderers adulterers fornicators thieves jealous hatefull people and reminds them how they became new creatures in Christ. God calls them and changes their hearts and gives them a heart of flesh and takes away their heart of stone. Agreat religious leader in Israel 2000 years
ago came to Jesus at night and couldn’t deny his miracles. But Jesus told Nicodemus , unless you are born again, you will mever enter the kingdom of heaven. He is our friend who you all mock. Imagine a savior who tells the religios leaders of his day, “harlots and crooked tax collectors will enter heaven before you.” Yes Hen came to save sinners not the righteous. Why is Christmas and Easter on our calenders. These are historical facts that happened 2000 years ago. You believe in George Washington, Abe Lincon, Stalin, Mao tse tung. Why not Jesus? Jesus gave the answer. Men love darkness rather than light and will not come to the light. Womt you harken to his voice. “all who come to me I will no wise cast out. Again all who thirst, come. And you will drink from rivers of pure water. I hope God convicts you that He is right and i am just a followere of truth and still a dirty rotten sinner but saved by His grace and no more a slave to sin. You can be free to. Read His word, not the old testament. You will get bored. That comes later. Read the Gospels which open up the lives of some fisherman, corrupt leaders, and a man from galilee who claimed He was the Son of God. Sorry for the length but to important to leave out. I hated God once but 10 years later after a faithfull and real christian told me about Christ, God showed me Himself through reading Mathew and as a Jew I was amazed that this was never taught to me and my old buddies who were gentiles didn’t believe this stuff even though they wore crosses like some rock or bebop stars where. But unless you are born again you cannot and willnot enter the Kingdom of God. May God call all of you nowm Today not some other time when you are old but today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. Too bad those souls in torment cant come back to tell you the truth found in the book of hebrews that it He has appointed a day that all men and women shall give an account. No one will be left out.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 am
Please accept that just about everything I’m about to say here probably isn’t for you Doug. You seem to have a pretty strong conviction, so I doubt any amount of explaining and illuminating is going to sway you in any way, but there are some serious chinks in your armor of absolute truth that I as a Critical Deist must poke at. If anything I’m just showing the holes for those new to the cause of Humanism and reason that need to see the good arguements to hold up against the monolithic belief-machine that is the church.
Ask God for wisdom for James tells us if any of you lacks wisdom, God will grant it as much as needed.
Wisdom, from its grecian archetype as gnosis, is the deep understanding of the inner self as it relates to the world. It is achieved by introspection, self-analysis, and testing our selves and our beliefs against the world. It is not gained by turning to an outside source. The best you get there is knowledge, or logos, the worst you get is lies and deception.
Well christ still loves sinners but those who continuously reject His offer of Mercy including the 4 or 5 of you with all the answers, what will you answer to Christ when you stand before him on judjement day? What can you say? I was an Athiest. All Christians are hippocrits. There is no hell.
If it turns out that you were right, then yes, that is what I will say, accept the Atheist bit, as I am a Deist. But my concern from my religion is not my death, but my life. I seek happiness in the world and oppose all those things that seek to strip my fellow man of his happiness. Any, I repeat, ANY organization that opposes any of the rights of humans will catch my ire.
Do you wonder why you have no real inner peace or joy. Because of a great void in your soul which everyone has from a programmer to a plumber to a junkie.
I have plenty of inner peace, its the outer peace that doesn’t come easy. I am sure in my belief just as you are, but I don’t need superstition and ancient rules to make me happy. And as for filling those voids in our souls, there’s a really great thing for that right here on earth. I found someone who really fits with the part of me that longs for more, her name is Kelly and she’s real.
Yes many lost souls in this world need a crutch and alcoholics annonymous is a good one. It keeps people straight. But it is a higher power that keeps them not only straight but allows them not to rely on meetings any more because God promised to give His Spirit to those who eh calls.
Sorry, you are wide open here.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
Plenty of sources in that… 12-step programs convince people that they have no power over their own lives. The slightest crisis of faith leads them right back to being alcoholics, only now they believe they have no ability to stop on their own. Sickening.
They are talented. But Jesus said “If anyone wants to come after me, let him deny himself and be my disciple and come follow me. Sounds boring doesn’t it.
No, it sounds like brain washing. If anyone wants to be a follower of Jesus, forget about your own life and your will. Surender now, and everything will be easier.
Isaiah said this in old testament and it was fulfilled in new testament for most of the religios leaders hated Christ.
Since you didn’t give verse, I’m going to assume “Isaiah 61:1-2-The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;” If you read it in context, Isaiah was talking about himself here. Now you’re probably confused and thought that it was fufilled in “Luke 4:18-19 -The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” Which for the “prophesised one” he sure quotes prophesy wrong alot.
God calls them and changes their hearts and gives them a heart of flesh and takes away their heart of stone.
*pokes chest* Seems pretty fleshy to me…
Why is Christmas and Easter on our calenders. These are historical facts that happened 2000 years ago.
Oh boy. One, the bible claims that shepards were in the fields tending their sheep at this time. If you believe that, please note that the Palestenian winter is way too cold at night to afford leaving livestock out in. Two, the bible claims both “Matthew 2:1-Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king.” as well as that “Luke 2:1-And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.” Herod the Great died in 4 BCE and the stated tax didn’t take place until Quirinius became governer of Syria in 6 CE, ten years after king Herod’s death. The date of Christmas was arbitrarily chosen to over shadow the rebirth of Sol Invictus, the winter solstice feast in the Roman Empire, a pagan holiday. Easter was placed where it was to shadow over the pagan Verenal Equinox and its fertility festivals.
You believe in George Washington, Abe Lincon, Stalin, Mao tse tung. Why not Jesus?
Because there are representations of these people made DURING their lives. Works writen DIRECTLY by their hands exist today. There are even photographs of some of them. No representation of Jesus was made for centuries after his alleged death.
I hope God convicts you that He is right and i am just a followere of truth and still a dirty rotten sinner but saved by His grace and no more a slave to sin.
Not having pride is one thing, but you have convinced yourself that you are a fouled creature no better than a slave? I feel sorry for you and those that will one day come to depend on you.
—Continued on down due to character limit… never rile up a Humanist after he just watched his favorite action shows, the energy of justice is just way to high.—
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:16 am
—and now the conclusion!–
Read His word, not the old testament. You will get bored. That comes later. Read the Gospels which open up the lives of some fisherman, corrupt leaders, and a man from galilee who claimed He was the Son of God.
But isn’t all of the Bible the word of god? Isn’t it all important no matter how boring it is? The old testament is called up anytime xtians need to convince themselves of a justified hatred, but if you need to convince someone that Christianity is good and fair, it’s cool to leave that out.
Too bad those souls in torment cant come back to tell you the truth found in the book of hebrews that it He has appointed a day that all men and women shall give an account. No one will be left out.
Well if it weren’t for the Paulite Christians destroying the Gnostic and Coptic Christians as heretics, then we might have the gospels in which Jesus shows that there is no eternal punishment for finite crime. In those hell is but a place where reason is gone and we must suffer in madness till we learn our errors. When that happens, we get a ticket out. I think if I go Christian, I’ll pick up some of the parts that your Council of Nicaea decided to throw out. Just remember that your word of god was put to a vote by men. And according to it, the works of men are ALWAYS flawed.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:33 am
Believing in God gives the person psychological rewards in the here and now. It gives them an “identity.� I believe this as
oppposed to that, therefore, I’m not that. Ask a person “who are you?� and if they answer “Christian� it means they are
not anything else, a pyschological boundary for the “self�. Christians NEED non christians for existence, like the KKK
need niggers to have something to focus on. Without opposites they won’t exist, light exists only if there is darkness. So
both are required. Believing in God also alleviates the FEAR of death, tell yourself a lie to help cope with all our destiny.
It also provides COMMUNITY a group of people doing and behaving alike, especially comforting for people without
sense of self. Also provides excuse for IRRESPONSIBILTY, if you let GOD control your life you don’t have to be
responsible for anything in your life. Success or failures are all the workings of GOD. It allows adults to remain
psychological children, behaving morally only when God is there to reward or punish. Because without God, ALL
Christians cannot control themselves, they will give in to their basest desires and be hedonistic and live only for today.
Without God, they will express themselves exactly the way they want, only with God can they pretend to keep it under
control. It gives them a sense of MORAL SUPERIORITY, and that strokes the ego well. It gives them a sense of
CERTAINTY, even if that certainty is a lie, because a lie is better than an uncertain truth for insecure people. And since
God isn’t REAL enough for Christians, they need to attack anything that threatens to make God even less real. If they
KNOW God as well as knowing their own face, then nothing could make them NOT believe, but Christians never talk
about DIRECT experience of God, only what they IMAGINE what God is like from reading the Bible. So they are
really worshipping figments of their imagination from their own particular way of interpreting the Bible and influenced by
their particular branch of interpretation, be it Catholic or Mormon or whatever.
On the flip side, believing in Evolution provides none of those psychological rewards. Knowing we came from monkeys
and apes doesn’t help with day to day living and coping with stress and fears. So to defend their coping mechanism for
life, Christians and all “Faith based religions� must deny anything that threatens that mechanism. Including denying reality,
scientific observation, geological and fossil records, astronomy, biology, chemistry and physics. Deny all that, but accept
the Bible as “Truth.� Because the Bible is limited, so many pages and so many words, can be handled by insecure
people, they can see the boundaries. But REALITY as observed by science is OVERWHELMING for the Christian.
Just the size of the Solar system in comparison to one person renders that person so miniscule, the size of the galaxy and
the universe just blows the mind. So to avoid the reality of their insignificance in the universe, Christians need to believe
that they are somehow special and chosen by the creator of the universe.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:36 am
Christian faith is based on the assumption of a “soul� is it not? What exactly is the soul? How does it manifest itself? Is it
memory? behaviours? thoughts? All those things are changeable, therefore, the soul is not a “permanent entity�. Where
does the soul reside? Within our physical bodies? So what happens when an accident removes an arm or a leg? Does
the soul shrink? Is the soul in the heart? So what happens to heart transplant patients? In the brain? So where was the
soul at the moment of conception when the human was only two cells, mommy and daddy cells. Does the soul enter the
body after conception? What about invitro fertilization? Frozen embryos can be delayed growth into humans by keeping
them in the freezer. So what is the soul doing all that time? If the soul resides in the “spiritual world�, does it have
boundaries? Can one soul contaminate another? If a Christian is saved, can a non Christians evil condemn his soul? If it
can, then salvation is not possible until ALL are saved, because one unsaved soul can “Re sin� the saved soul. If souls
have boundaries, that is, a soul is a separate entity from another, only then can the person claim responsibity for his
particular soul and seek salvation for his particular soul. If that is the case, than Original Sin does not matter. Adam’s sin
cannot contaminate my soul. His sin resides within his soul, how can it contaminate mine? But “all have sinned� so the sin
is passed through the genes? Or through the soul. Which means the soul does not have boundaries which means I can’t
really be responsible for my soul’s sin, because the sin is someone elses’s. And therefore, I can’t really seek salvation for
my particular soul.
Where in the Bible does it say you have a soul? As a permanent entity that continues after death? If there is no soul
then salvation is not necessary for nothing has sinned, and Jesus and God are unnecessary because there is nothing to
save. If you say the soul exists because Jesus saves it, it’s like saying you are guilty just because a cop arrests you. Cart
before the horse.
So, Christians, instead of telling about your experiences of God, how about describing something even more intimate and
knowable for those of us who are atheist or agnostic. Describe your “soul” and all of its manisfestations. If you say it
is a feeling, non Christians have “feelings” too. And even feelings are temporary and changeble.
October 3rd, 2006 at 1:54 am
“Because of a great void in your soul which everyone has from a programmer to a plumber to a junkie. Yes many lost souls in this world need a crutch and alcoholics annonymous is a good one.”
Would you mind explaining to me what a soul is supposed to be? Is it some sort of eternal essence attached to your meatsack that will be eternally punished or rewarded for the actions of the meatsack? Do you not see how stupid the very concept of a soul is? If a soul were to be eternally punished or pleasured for the actions of a meatsack then surely it must have some sort of influence on the meatsack, but this can never be proven, and all the evidence seems to show otherwise. People are products of nature and nurture.
What decides what you have for lunch?
-Your experience, and what your body craves.
What decides whether or not you go out killing everyone?
-Your experience, and knowledge of what is write and wrong, which decide to act on biological urges or not.
I conclude that if your “soul”, whatever you may think that is, has little to no say in what your meatsack does, then it is illogical to conclude that it would be punished/pleasured eternally as a result of the meatsacks actions.
what if you were to clone hitler, with all his memories intact, exactly as he was. Would he get a new soul? Obviously he’d act the same… so would this new soul be punished for his actions?
Rinse your brain out imo… too much soap in it
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:21 pm
I see you are all writing a little different now that you read about a God who loves and keeps sinners so that they can repent. Who knows who God will choose but that is not important. It is His revealed will that is vital to our never dying souls. Forget about gnostics and humanism and all the things you learned in college. One day we will all give an account. Are you ready now. Remember, today is the day of salvation. We dont know what a day may bring. The worst thing that can happen is not an attack from religious zealots who by the way moderates are fed up with. But christianity is th only faith where we dont trust in our good works but realize it was Christ who gave himself to be hung on a roman cross and then to cry out My God, My God, Why Have you forsaken me? The punishment of eternal damnation for millions throughout time was laid upon Jesus. Isaiah53 clearly prophesied this in the old testament of the suffering of Christ. His place of birth, His death, His resurection which no other prophet ever claimed for Himself
are all proofs that God is alive and He is on His thrown and knows all things and sees all things and works out all good things for those whom He loves, those who gave their lives to Him. I hope all of you will again ask for Wisdom and be assured that if you want eternal life, you need to remember the words of Peter in the book of Acts. “there is no man under heaven wherby any mac can be saved but through Jesus Christ. May God turn this Blog into a mini revival for some of you. What about the rest who cant wait to let me have it. The Bible has been around for over 3000 years and teaches us about man and women, death , sin, eternal death , eternal lifr, as well as history with the kings of Israel and the acts of the apostles. The bible is the authority that real Christians use for living a good and peacefull life. If the Bible is not your authority, what is.
Over 3000 years and could not be burned or stamped out. Maybe God has something to tell us still in 2006. Yet its not our place to beat people over the head with it. When God begins to work on a soul, they change and become willing. May it happen tonight to not a few of you.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:50 pm
You are still just spouting non-sense… none of it is an actual argument, and none of it makes a lick of sense. Answer my questions from post 38.
You spout a lot of crap about souls too, but you don’t even attempt to explain what one is, just that “God works on it”
“Forget about gnostics and humanism and all the things you learned in college.”
Do you go to college? If so did you finish? Why on earth would anyone want to forget about what they learned in college. People go to college to learn, because knowledge helps people in the real world.
What would forgetting about college do to you? It would turn you into a poor feeble minded individual who needs an imaginary friend to get through life.
Seriously though, start using arguments, cuz the preaching is getting old. I assure you, you aren’t going to turn anyone or even get someone thinking with your absentminded scare tactics.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pm
The book of Romans leaves us without excuse. We are different from all other created things because God gave us a soul which some say is the same as spirit, and He gave us a body that fell in Adam. The soul is our affections, our conscience, and our mind which is where sin begins to work. Sin tells us to lie or steal or even that we are a preytty nice person and dont need a savior from sin. Then why did Christ come down from heaven to a virgin and die for our sins willingly? Remember, The apostles knew that the Romans and Jewish leaders (though the people believed on him)did not really plan for Christs death but it was forordained by
God Himself. What an amazing thing. Christ, the son of God would die for those who hated Him and gives all of us an offer to come unto him for eternal life. We have a conscience which is why we dont hill like lions. When we see the sun, moon, and stars, and all of creation, deep down inside we know that there is a God. However we supress that truth so much that in Romans chapter 1 Paul writes that God gave them over to do those things that are wrong. God through inspiring Theb apostle Paul speaks about giving them over to homosexuality and lesbianism. And though they knew it to be wrong instead of condemning the behavior, practiced it themselves. That is why there is so much trouble today as God is giving the world over to Satan. 20 years ago there wasnt as much as suicide or killing members of ones own family. 40 million abortions since the supreme court decision. Gangs ,starvation, people not caring about god but rather made a God of sports and television and most of all the love of money. Where is the golden age the green party hopes for. No, Romans 3 tells us “there is none righteos no not one.” When we begin to see our own hearts , we actually side with what the bible says and not Barbara Streitand and Michael Moore and George Soros. As important as politics is for some, the Gospel or good news of Jesus Christ is so much more important. @peter tells us this world will be burned with fire when the Lord returns. Even though your college professors tell you to eat and drink and be merry. Evolution is there great denial of an eternal soul and everlasting punishment. Yet with this awful news, Christ came into the world to save sinners. Not those wh need a crutch. Chuck Norris, Jennifer O Neal, Lynn Swan and even Steven Baldwin have had their eyes opened. Unfortunatly, there are not many wise not many noble and not many rich who desire Christ. But Blessed are the poor in spirit, Blessed are those who mourn, blessed are the peacemakers for there’s is the kingdom of heaven. That doesn’t mean wealthy people dont get saved. Abraham was rich. Why will you not come to Christ?
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:01 pm
“The soul is our affections, our conscience, and our mind which is where sin begins to work.”
So what you mean is, you’re soul is things that have been proven to be results of experiences stored in the brain and brain chemistry. What happens when a person gets amnesia? Is their soul damaged? When a person has a genetic disorder that effects their ability to make decisions, is that because their soul is damaged?
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:07 pm
“Then why did Christ come down from heaven to a virgin and die for our sins willingly?”
You’re assuming this is %100 true. Once again, this isn’t an argument. This is just spouting what you assume to be true for no good reason.
“20 years ago there wasnt as much as suicide or killing members of ones own family. 40 million abortions since the supreme court decision. Gangs ,starvation, people not caring about god but rather made a God of sports and television and most of all the love of money.”
You are just stating bad (except for the abortion part) things. Most gang members, murderer and athletes are relgious. You aren’t attempting to look into the real reasons for these things, because you can just call it a “lack of Jesus” or the like. If you want to make a valid argument, find some hard evidence linking these things to a decline in belief.
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:58 pm
Father, are you getting a little angry. You sound foolish now. The bible speaks of fools and wise men and women. The fool says in his heart ther is no god. The beginning of wisdom is the fear or reverence of the Lord. The Bible tellsus that no murderer or fornicator nor adulterer nor homosexual and the likes who practice these things shall not enter the kingdom of God. I think I explained quite a lot and as a matter of fact you may never hear the things i’ve said again in your life. I dont know how old you are but we are all going to die no matter how much we excercise and how good are diets are. That is why I wish instead of taking it from me, read for yourself. One thing you will find out fast is that Jesus told his followers not to call anyone Father for there is only one Father in heaven. However all sins we commit will be forgiven, past ,present and future and that is the good news of the bible. I remind you again, jesus said in Mathew 7 vs; 13;14 strive to enter by the narrow gate for broad is the way, and wide is the gate and many enter there. But narrow is the gate and straight is the way and few there are that find it. Salvation though free because of what Christ did we lay all our sins on Him. But there is a cost we must count. Are we willing to give up maybe our friends, or our parents love for us. What about giving 1 in 7 days to God by worshipping Him in a bible believing and loving Church. Are you prepared to give up your smug self righteousness, and your socalled wisdom and start learning what God tells us. Not through signs and wonders but the Bible alone. That is why europe was turned upside down by men like the reformers and puritans who a great many majored in Philosopy. Some of our greatest inventors and scientists were Christians thoug probably hard to find in textbooks. Many came out of Rome with all it’s superstition and entrappments when they heard men like John wesley and George Whitfield preach. The Puritans gave us the likes of John Bunyan, John Owen, John Calvin and so many good men and their families who had to flee England where there really was a church state mix. Thank God, these men started in the Northeast beginning different denominations and catholics were not persecuted by Protestants here. I know no men are perfect and the burning of witches and dealings with Indians might have been wrong. But did you know that willberforse and others put an end to slavery. Only Christians actually live out a true democratic society and just like in Rome, Christians are told to submit to the Government wheter good or not so good. Paying taxes, voting, and not trying to establish a theocracy which ended sadly when God allowed the old testament temple to be destroyed with the nation of Israel for there rejection of Christ. Thankfully there is still a remnant of Jew and Gentiles that are being saved but only through Jesus Christ. Hey that is bigotted you homophobic moron. No but that is what the Bible teaches. Sure written by old men yes as they were inspired by the Spirit of God. 1Timothy 3:16 Is it pride or alove of ease or maybe you are like the pharisee who prayed in the temple and said “I thank you God that I am not like others. I fast, pay tithes, even sent money to tsunami victims. I am not a low life or murderer like others but a really good person. Yet in the story, there was a tax collector working for the Romans, a traitor to his own kind who didn’t even look up but beat his breast and cried out God, be mercifull to me, the sinner.” Jesus told the world that this man went to his house justified. The other, well Icame to call not the righteous but sinners to repentance. I have poured out my soul and mind and realize there isn’t much more to say. I hope you will once again, if you find most churches and Christians hippocrits, and I do also, then can I encourage you to read the gospels to get a clear understanding of who this carpenter, Jesus was and all the miracles done which are all historical facts considered by most even the basest for the past 1900 plus years. Some smart and gifted men have seen how foolish evolution or other theories are. Yet when we read Genesis and by faith we see in the first 11 chapters how we were created, how we fell into sin, how God forgave Noah but caused a flood to destroy the world back then. Genesis is a great book and easy to understand and so is Exodus. It gets a little hard after that and unfortunatly, many well meaning people start reading there. Start with Gospel of John and quietly by yourself without me and all the hippocrits we live with and begin reading so my words or rather Gods words about a fool will not apply.
May God be with you my nameless friend.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:48 pm
I see you are all writing a little different now that you read about a God who loves and keeps sinners so that they can repent.
I haven’t seen a single one of us back down or show any weakness of conviction. Where are you getting this from?
Forget about gnostics and humanism and all the things you learned in college.
Yep, pretty expected that you’d ask for me to forget about one of Christianity’s little dirty secrets there. Those Paulites that were all about social control really didn’t like the concept of the message being to seek all knowledge to free your soul. Its harder to keep people submisive when they start getting knowledge on you. All dissenting Christian views were banned and forcibly rooted out in the reign of Emperor Theodosius I (378-395). You hear that? Forcibly. Your religion of love and peace used sword-point and sheild to get rid of any little disagreements with the main party line.
Isaiah53 clearly prophesied this in the old testament of the suffering of Christ. His place of birth, His death, His resurection which no other prophet ever claimed for Himself are all proofs that God is alive and He is on His thrown and knows all things and sees all things and works out all good things for those whom He loves, those who gave their lives to Him.
If Isaiah53 is talking about Jesus then we have some decendents of Jesus running around. Isaiah53:10-Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see his SEED? Yep, good old terminology, as seed in context as a human’s seed always meant offspring. And I also didn’t see anything about a resurection in there. Shouldn’t I notice something like that in such and accurate prophecy?
May God turn this Blog into a mini revival for some of you.
And may Gasmonso have the were withall to moderate all the people that will be “typing in tongues”.
If the Bible is not your authority, what is.
The moral teachings from my childhood, the things I have seen in the world, the hurt I’ve felt that I would never want anyone else to feel, and the joy I’ve felt that I want all people to know. My authority lies in the rights all men have, and I refuse to let a book take any of them from anyone.
What about the rest who cant wait to let me have it. The Bible has been around for over 3000 years and teaches us about man and women, death , sin, eternal death , eternal lifr, as well as history with the kings of Israel and the acts of the apostles. The bible is the authority that real Christians use for living a good and peacefull life.
Actually my good man, the bible has been around since 325 CE after the First Council of Nicaea (making it 1681 years old to be truthful). This is where the canon was voted into place by a council of bishops and Roman Emperor Constantine I. The Books had been around for a while, but the ones that got in were decided simply by what the majority of Christians at the time were reading at their services. If one of the tenents that you’ve been preaching is that it is very hard to follow the way of Jesus, wouldn’t it only be right that the minority that read other text would have had it correct? If it were easy, the majority of early Christians would have done it right? Those poor Gnostics, I guess you guys might have messed up on that.
The soul is our affections, our conscience, and our mind which is where sin begins to work.
My affections… so my soul is the fact that I love my girlfriend?
No wait, its my conscience… the part of my experience where I’ve decided I wouldn’t like it if certain things were done to me so I won’t do them either.
Um… so now its my mind? The squish grey stuff in my skull? Pal, you really need to work on your definitions.
We have a conscience which is why we dont kill like lions.
You stay faaaaar away from me. The last time I heard someone talk like that, they threatened a friend of mine with physical violence because “God would have justified the cause.” And that’s a little unfair to the lions. Those poor things have to kill gazell to eat and most territory fights don’t end in the death of either side by wounds. I don’t kill because I wouldn’t want someone to kill me. I’m able to think about all the hurt that killing someone would cause. I don’t even need legal reasons not to kill, I just have to consider my fellow man.
When we see the sun, moon, and stars, and all of creation, deep down inside we know that there is a God.
Don’t give Deism a bad name. Sure I look out and at the massive wonder of the universe and believe that with so much infinite posibility that there has to be something that’s bigger than us, but I don’t turn around and ignore the reasons why we have a universe that is so amazing. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and the like are awe inspiring in their own right.
God through inspiring Theb apostle Paul speaks about giving them over to homosexuality and lesbianism.
I… I’m just going to hold off on this one… I don’t think that the bible is correct about homosexuality, but I can go on for pages about that. Gasmonso, I still need to write that view point article that we talked about a while back.
And though they knew it to be wrong instead of condemning the behavior, practiced it themselves.
That is what we in the real world call being irresponsible. If you know something is wrong, don’t do it. Its the old programmer’s “Don’t” Fix. The program crashes when I press this button. Well, don’t press that button.
20 years ago there wasnt as much as suicide or killing members of ones own family.
Yes suicide rates have doubled but you have no explanation as to why they have. However violent crime has dropped off in recent years. So there wouldn’t really be more murders, just more news reports about it because it makes for great ratings.
40 million abortions since the supreme court decision.
And countless women saved the suffering of the results of unclean back-alley abortions. Get your Bible out of their Uterus and leave it to the woman. If she thinks that abortion is immoral, I bet she won’t get one.
peter tells us this world will be burned with fire when the Lord returns.
I’d love to know how we’re going to light EVERY part of the earth on fire. Some stuff doesn’t relay burn so well.
Evolution is there great denial of an eternal soul and everlasting punishment.
Evolution is accepting that all creatures came into being through common ancestry and gradual genetic drift. If you then want to add a soul to that, there’s no one stopping you. Stop equating Evolution with Atheism.
Why will you not come to Christ?
Because I have no need for bed time stories to make me feel good about life and my eventual death. If there is an afterlife, then awesome, but until then, I’m alive and I’m going to focus on being alive.
As you can see I haven’t wavered at all. I’m still here. Still strong. And I’ve still got a rebutal to your biblical authoritarianism. Any day, any time Doug.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:50 pm
If you don’t mind My Father, I’ll leave that last one to you. He seems to have it in for you there.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:09 am
Let Jesus speak a little bit. For those who use the word gnostin which was a greek heresy For people who thought they knew more than God. 1 John 2:23 “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either, he who acknowledes the the Son has the Father also.
1 Corinthians 6 9:10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idoliters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals or made homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves nor covetous, nor drunkards nor revilers nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God. Written by Paul a jew who came to Christ while persecuting the Church. but I would not leave out vs:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Are you sure He is your God Jones?
Romans 1 VS18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteosness of men who supress the truth in unrighteousness.VS 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made. So they are without excuse because they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God but served the creature rather than the creator. VS 24 Therefore God gave them up to uncleaness in the lusts of their hearts to disoner their bodies among themselves.VS 29-32 Sorry but bear with me. being filled with all unrighteosness, sexual immorality(men and women)
wickedness covetousness, full of envy, murder actual or hatred in their hearts, they are wisperers, backbiters,haters of God, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, unloving, unforgiving, unmercifull.
Chapter2 Therefor you are inexusable,O man whoever you are who judge for in whenever you judge another, you condemn yorself.
What about Jesus again.Mathew 24 VS
37-39 But as the days of Noah(not a myth according to Jesus)
were so also will the coming of the son of man be. Ror as in the days before the flood, they were eating, marrying, giving in marriage, until Noah entered the Ark. and did not know until the flood came and took them all away.
You mentioned His resurection. You were right. Not in Isaiah 53. But how bout Jesus talking. Mark VS 16 :6 But the angel said to them”Do not be alarmed.You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. But go tell His disciples and Peter that he is going before you into Galilee. The last book of the bible REV22 vs 14:15
Blessed are those who do His commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idoliters and who loves and practices a lie. Jesus spoke more about Hell than He did about Heaven in the book of Mathew. Last one 1John 2 23 Whoever denies the Som does not have the Father either. He whoacknowledges the Son has the father also. VS25 And this is His promise that He promised us.-Eternal life. Change your life and listen to wmca570AM or 970 WWDJ a few hours during the day.Both on AM.
What is amazing more than the mets is that in 1964 bfore FM
really came out, WMCA was the premier rock station as was WABC which is a talk show station. Who would have imagined.
So Jones, a theist like washington. A great president. I never met him but I know you now and am glad you stood up to me and shut me up to some degree. But Jesus said as well as the apostle of love John, He who does not have the Son does not have the father. I forgot if you are diest, athiest or humanist. But as was mentioned earlier in ACTS, Peter was made brave and told the Jews That they crucified the Christ and they were convicted and cried out Brethern, what shall we do? Then Peter said to them “repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgivness of sins. Amazingly, those who hated Christ became the first followers and made up the Jerusalem Church. A few chapters later there were over 4000 men and women that joined the church, were baptised and followed and continued steadfastly in the apostles teaching which they learned from Jesus while with Him for about 3 years. Thankfully the promise to Abraham was that His seed Jesus would be the one that the gentiles hope in and they did and here was a wonderfull time where the hostility between Jew and Gentile was put to rest. My church is similar but more multicultural and what a joy to fellowship and eat with people of all colors and nationalities. This is a small foretaste of what heaven will be like. But I fear for some of you who find this boring, foolish, and rediculous. You would never enjoy heaven. But Thank God there is great hope.
Just as murderers like King David and Paul and homosexuals and adulterers and sexually unclean and the whole gamit of breaking the Law of God, There is forgivness with God when we turn from our sins and turn to god for a clean record in heaven and a pure heart on earth. And when our Lord appears we will not hide like the rest but b transformed body and soul and never to sin no more, no more death,tears, pain, hunger, and all the sickness we are prone to.
Yes Humanistic Jones and Father and even my friend who used a slang word for afro american, brother growup already.
The Gospel is not for freaks but for men and women who desire to live for Christ as well as suffer for Him until He comes. That is it for now. I hope you see how foolish gnostics were in there day compared to what the Bible tells us. AMEN
October 4th, 2006 at 2:28 am
Ok, quick recap.
you: blah blah bible says Jesus loves you, why don’t you love Jesus??? mathew 69:420
me: give me a real reason without quoting a book we can’t validate.
you: something something, Jesus will forgive sins in your heart. Jesus Jesus bible jesus. Jesus 19:42
me: you aren’t listening, give me a valid argument.
you: bu…but… Jesus loves you.. big book verse 10:10
You aren’t listening. Speak the language of common sense and I’ll give you a vaid response. The more you spout bible versus to prove a point, the less dignified you seem to any sensible person.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:32 am
Just tell me what a soul is exactly, without vauge references and inane quotes. It’s that simple. We’ll go from there.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:45 am
“Father, are you getting a little angry. You sound foolish now.”
Why? You never explain a damn thing.
“The bible speaks of fools and wise men and women. The fool says in his heart ther is no god. The beginning of wisdom is the fear or reverence of the Lord.”
I told you before that the bible means nothing to me. Why persist in quoting it?
“I dont know how old you are but we are all going to die no matter how much we excercise and how good are diets are.”
I’m old enough to know that I’m going to die some day, and I’m MATURE enough to not need a fairy tale to face death.
“I know no men are perfect and the burning of witches and dealings with Indians might have been wrong. But did you know that willberforse and others put an end to slavery.”
If it weren’t for Hitler, many technological advances would not have been made as early. So what? One christian who happens to do something good doesn’t justify all the wrong it’s done, and it sure doesn’t validate the belief system.
“Genesis is a great book and easy to understand and so is Exodus. It gets a little hard after that and unfortunatly, many well meaning people start reading there. Start with Gospel of John and quietly by yourself without me and all the hippocrits we live with and begin reading so my words or rather Gods words about a fool will not apply.”
NO
October 4th, 2006 at 7:44 am
Now, I am also interested of the soul.
Can christian(other religious group) explain the soul without using bible verses, can it be explained without any parallels to some literary works.
In short tell me of the soul without trappings and taint from religions, literary or other sources. Your own words, please.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
It can’t be explained because it doesn’t exist, trying to describe a soul is like trying to describe a unicorn. All they have to go on is fantasy books, with no bearing on reality. The only difference is, it is easier to invalidate the existance of a soul than a unicorn.
October 5th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
I agree, it cannot be explained, at least, I cannot do that but soul is the precept of religions. I just woudl like to hear non book based explanation of it.
October 6th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
I agree with the Christian brother. If you guys dont know what a soul is, you are blind and lost like he says. Turn from your ignorance and ask God to save you. A soul is your whole being. Mind, affections, will and brain and conscience. How can you fools understand that when you are a product of this post modern era. Also why dont you guys get a life. You sit here all the time and try to prove how brilliant you are when God says the fool says in his heart there is no god. Signing off for good. More important things to do. Try watching texas ranger sometimes . You might learn something.
October 7th, 2006 at 3:51 am
Also why dont you guys get a life. You sit here all the time and try to prove how brilliant you are when God says the fool says in his heart there is no god.
[sarcasm]Wow, looks like we got owned there. I think the 100th time was a charm on that one. I finally accept the fool argument solely on its own statement. I have seen the light.[/sarcasm]
Seriously though, is this some kind of brute force ministering tactic? Say the same atheists are fools line over and over and hope that we eventually just come around? Please, try something else!
October 7th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
So god a is a mind and brain huh (I don’t see the difference, do you?). Well a whole lot of animals have brains, shouldn’t they have souls? Animals have wills and affections, just like we do, caused by biological impulses? What is a conscience but a result of memories and instincts?
As for your petty personal attack, actually I sit here a good part of the day working, and occassionally checking up on forums like this. Why do I do it? Well why do you do it? It’s a forum for debate, I happen to enjoy a good debate, although it probably seems like a holy crusade to you. I happen to think that most of the worlds problems stem from religion, and that far too many people blindly believe in things that have awful effects in the real world.
I’ll still be here, but I’m glad you leave, one less idiot with beliefs so weak that he can’t take a little debate. What would happen to you if you had proof that your religion was false? Just a hypothetical here… My guess is you would freak out or flat out deny fact, because you desperately need the fairy tale.
I say turn from your ignorance, and wake up to the real world, but how could you understand when your mind is stuck in the dark ages?
October 7th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
god = soul
woops
October 7th, 2006 at 7:11 pm
Here is a reply from the God who created you with a mind , body, affections, a will and a conscience which except for the body, are all part of a soul. I will let God speak as this is an open forum where everyone can speak. Right? In Jeremiah, the major prophet of the Old Testament speaks inspired by God and quotes Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, Let not the mighty man in his might, Nor let the rich man glory in his riches; But let him who glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, That aI am the Lord exercising lovingkindness, judgement, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight says THE Lord. Behold, days are coming that I will punish all who are circumcized with the uncircumcised; Egyppt, Judah Edom the people of ammon Moab and all who are in the farthest parts of the earth. For all these nations are uncicumcizes, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcized in heart: Meditate on that and wonder when the final judjement will take place. At that time it was a powerfull kigdom called Babylon which you know and assyria. But will the future of our nations because of murder abortion, the killing of unborn, and all greed and adultery cause some violent peoples to kill us or rule over us in the near future? I hope not and if any theonomists in the forum, now you know the congresses of any party cannot be depended on to bring in the kingdom. As for you regulars, seek the Lord while He still may be found. Thanks for your time.
October 7th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Doug, To quote myself a few lines up.
“Ok, quick recap.
you: blah blah bible says Jesus loves you, why don’t you love Jesus??? mathew 69:420
me: give me a real reason without quoting a book we can’t validate.
you: something something, Jesus will forgive sins in your heart. Jesus Jesus bible jesus. Jesus 19:42
me: you aren’t listening, give me a valid argument.
you: bu…but… Jesus loves you.. big book verse 10:10
You aren’t listening. Speak the language of common sense and I’ll give you a vaid response. The more you spout bible versus to prove a point, the less dignified you seem to any sensible person. ”
christ on a stick, how many times do I have to say it…
Never-the-less, I still read you’re whole biblefest and not a bit of it was an on-topic argument. The only thing YOU said that was on topic, was the same argument I was disputing before. It isn’t a response to my argument, you just repeated the same thing the guy before you said.
“God who created you with a mind , body, affections, a will and a conscience which except for the body, are all part of a soul”
Now like I said, some animals have all those things to varying degrees, but you don’t think they have souls?
October 8th, 2006 at 10:09 am
The soul as described as “mind, body, affections, a will and conscience” cannot be a permanent unchanging entity then. Because all those deccriptors can change very easily. Mind changes as you gain knowledge or get a brain injury. Body changes as you grow old and become diseased and eventually die. Affections changes with the times, what you find favorable in your youth for example, cartoons, you find juvenile as you mature. Interests you had in the past fade as you develop new interests. Will changes as your focus on different goals changes. Conscience changes as you grow and become more aware of the nuances of life. What you hold absolutely as truth and unquestioned in your youth becomes more flexible when you realize life is more than just black and white, but varying degrees of grey. Now if all that makes up the “soul” then the soul cannot really be a permanent thing. So “who you are” really is not a permanent unchanging thing with an absolute boundary. So what gets saved? What goes to heaven
October 12th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
to humanistic jones and foolish father, What will you say when you stand before the real Father of heaven and earth who created all things and the nations are as a drop in the bucket to him? What will you you say when men like saul who persecuted the early Church or a great king named Nebachednetzer whome God turned into a beast for some years and when brought to his senses, he gave praise and glory to the creator of the heavens and the earth. What will two worms of the earth say to one who is so large and infinite in majesty, who knows all things, sees all things, and yet till now has winked at sin still calling us to Himself willing to forgive all our sins. Yes mine too. Picture yourself standing before such a Holy and wrathfull God who takes sin so serious that His only begotten Son had to be cursed for His peoples sins by hanging on a tree. Will you answer God what your college professors taught you or maybe you are those professors with all your worldly and humanistic paos modernistic wisdom. You have been given over to your ways and there is no hope for you unless you cry to God for mercy to show you your hearts. May God give you know rest even tonight when you try to sleep. May He give you a sight of the tormented souls chained and waiting in outer darkness for their sentence to be cast into hell. You ever hear of Pilgrims Progress or john Wesley,George Whitfield, The Puritans, The reformers. Or is Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter your heros.
October 12th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
Hey Gasmo and the rest of you , how will uyou fare when your souls are being upheld even now over a burning fire by a thin string waiting to break. Sermon by Jonathan Edwards.
It is only by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. He who does not have the Son does not have the Father. Who is the evil one? He who denies that Christ is the Lord of heaven and earth.
October 13th, 2006 at 12:09 am
doug, pass the joint when you’re done man… I could use a hit.
gasmonso
October 13th, 2006 at 1:03 am
What will two worms of the earth say to one who is so large and infinite in majesty, who knows all things, sees all things, and yet till now has winked at sin still calling us to Himself willing to forgive all our sins.
Me personally? If I met your god, what would I say? I think it would go something like this…
Yo. So that whole universe back there really is for nothing? You’ve created a massive, expansive, breathtaking universe, and filled only one planet with life? Then you decide that all of that is just going to be ripped down in an instant just to deal with that tiny little rock? You’ve destroyed everything you created as the race you created had JUST BEGUN to look to the skies and marvel at its true glory?
Not only that, but you gave man the ability to make choices, any choice he wants, but the only way he gets it right is to do what is written in one tiny book. ONE! We wrote millions of books! You left no proof that we should follow that, and those of your people that did follow it came across as such raving blind madmen that we wouldn’t even think of joining their cause. You did all that?
God, you are a sickened, sad individual. And by the way, this whole omnipotent, omnicient deity thing is kinda hard to buy when you are given to such human concepts as good and evil, petiness, and direct concern with what we’re doing. Oh that’s right, not much else to do since that Universe was actually empty and just for show, nothing else to do but poke at your little pawns.
You know what, I’m not begging for mercy! I’m not wailing at my mistakes and gnashing my teeth at my exposed ignorance! You won’t get the pleasure! Don’t get up… I’m walking my self to the fire lake over there! I’d rather burn than spend an eternity with a psycho like you! Piss off God, and I hope that some day Neiche will be right!
… I think that’s how it will go. If you’re afterlife is the actual one, give me oblivion.
October 13th, 2006 at 7:58 am
Christians like to gloat, don’t they? Isn’t that behaviour indicative of a small minded unrighteous person? Isn’t it evil in the heart for the Christian to enjoy the fact that the nonbelievers will burn in the fires of hell? So the Christian is saved and the rest of us will be judged and thrown into eternal fire and brimstone, suffering all eternity. If the Christian has the courage to look inside his heart and find any hint of pleasure at the suffering of others, even the “enemy” then how closely are you living the word of God? Search your soul, existent or non existent, and look deeply within. Ask yourself why you gloat so much. Is that not pride? Or do you like to say “I told you so”? Also a form of pride? Is that what the Bible teaches you? Did Jesus do that? Would Jesus approve
October 13th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Would Jesus approve of hell? If you were man enough to read the bible , you would find that Jesus warned people to flee from the wrath to come. He also told the people of his day it would be more tolerable for sodom and gemorah than to the cities who rected Him. More tolerable in hell that is.
He also said dont fear what man can do to you but i tell you who to fear. Fear Him who is able to destroy body and soul in Hell. Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven in the gospel of Mathew. But you all still wont come to Christ. You love darkness more than light. You love this world which is perishing. The lust of the flesh , the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Your debates is not with me so you think