Comments on: Chuck Norris Takes Swing At Separation Of Church And State http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231 Have faith in yourself Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:07:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: joana anderson http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-433567 joana anderson Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:28:19 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-433567 Hi there, I'm starting up a blog website and I've started creating rather varied content. Do you object if I write something about this article? I will of course provide you and this site full acknowledgment. Hi there, I’m starting up a blog website and I’ve started creating rather varied content. Do you object if I write something about this article? I will of course provide you and this site full acknowledgment.

]]> By: finger excercise http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-419539 finger excercise Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:09:55 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-419539 <strong>finger excercise...</strong> Your topic Movie Stupidity " Shyamalan – Triple Threat of Stupidity was interesting when I found it on Tuesday searching for finger excercise... finger excercise…

Your topic Movie Stupidity ” Shyamalan – Triple Threat of Stupidity was interesting when I found it on Tuesday searching for finger excercise…

]]> By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-106697 sidfaiwu Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:03:49 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-106697 I'm no expert in the retardish language, but I believe tracey said, "You are all sad [or sadists]. Sorry but you are." I'm not sure to whom this was directed. From the 'use... all', we might infer 'you all' thus meaning everyone. Given the context in which this sample of retardish was taken, I believe it is referring to the previous 94 commenters and perhaps even the original poster. It is unclear whether the rest is a comment on everyone's emotional state or their imagined love of seeing others suffer. The original meaning of 'sados' is, sadly, lost to history. I’m no expert in the retardish language, but I believe tracey said, “You are all sad [or sadists]. Sorry but you are.”

I’m not sure to whom this was directed. From the ‘use… all’, we might infer ‘you all’ thus meaning everyone. Given the context in which this sample of retardish was taken, I believe it is referring to the previous 94 commenters and perhaps even the original poster. It is unclear whether the rest is a comment on everyone’s emotional state or their imagined love of seeing others suffer. The original meaning of ’sados’ is, sadly, lost to history.

]]> By: Alcari http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-106688 Alcari Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:24 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-106688 That was english? I thought it was just more random arabic spamming. No, that's not a joke, what in the name of His Noodly appendage does that say? That was english? I thought it was just more random arabic spamming.

No, that’s not a joke, what in the name of His Noodly appendage does that say?

]]> By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-106640 sidfaiwu Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:53 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-106640 Please, speak the Queen's English. Please, speak the Queen’s English.

]]> By: tracey http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-106637 tracey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:58:45 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-106637 use r all sados sorri but use r use r all sados sorri but use r

]]> By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-79747 sidfaiwu Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:23:52 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79747 Hello Kyle, I hope you are well. First allow me to comment on this: <blockquote>I was realy sitting on the fence about telling you my story because I’m sure your picturing a religious creep who makes stuff up to sell hi Idea but I’ll tell you anyway.</blockquote> While I cannot speak for everyone, of course, I think you'll find most of us believe 'miracle' experiences from believers, unless we have reason to suspect deception. You have not given me a reason to suppose that you might be lying, so I'll take you for your word. What we disagree with is that these 'miracle' stories are supernatural events. These sorts of conversations always tend to go the same: the believer provides a supernatural explanation for their experience, the non-believers provide possible natural explanations, the believer then attempts to poke holes in the natural explanations ("It can't be scientific explanation X because Y happened"). I think this is where the fundamental split between believers and non-believers is located. It is in how we react to inexplicable events (such as 'miraculous' events). The non-believer searches for an explanation, but is willing to admit that they don't have a good explanation if they find none. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer. When a believer experiences an inexplicable event, they suppose supernatural causes. If the outcome of the event is seen as good, God did it. The the outcome is bad, Satan or demons did it. As for your particular story, it was, thankfully, a good outcome. I'm glad you are healing very quickly and hope that you have a full recovery. Since the doctors didn't have a good natural explanation for your 'miraculous' recovery, you suppose God did it. What I want to know is what is wrong with "I don't know"? Why must you have an explanation? Why do you suppose that there is no possible natural explanation? One of the most common answers I get to these sort of questions is some version of "I feel it". In other words, the believer <em>feels</em> they are right about their explanation. But our feelings about the world are often wrong. For instance, it really does <em>feel</em> like the earth does not move and that the sun is circling it. And how many times have people said "He/She is the one! We'll be together forever. I can <em>feel</em> it" only to break up a month later? The other problem with 'miracle' experiences is that <em>any</em> mythology can be used to supernaturally explain it away. How do you know it was the Christian God? It is just as likely that Krishna healed you, or any deity. Also, a Muslim might say that you were healed by an evil jinn who tricked you into believing a false God did it. I can even invent new supernatural explanations if I wanted to: The Great Healing Turkey of the Western Woods pecked your wounds away while you sleep. In other words, there is no way one can determine <em>which</em> supernatural cause was behind your experience, apart from one person's unreliable feeling. I have many other comments, but I've already written way too much. I guess I'll have to leave other portions of your comment for others to respond to. Unless, of course, you are interested in my response to a particular issue you raised. Just let me know. Hello Kyle,

I hope you are well. First allow me to comment on this:

I was realy sitting on the fence about telling you my story because I’m sure your picturing a religious creep who makes stuff up to sell hi Idea but I’ll tell you anyway.

While I cannot speak for everyone, of course, I think you’ll find most of us believe ‘miracle’ experiences from believers, unless we have reason to suspect deception. You have not given me a reason to suppose that you might be lying, so I’ll take you for your word. What we disagree with is that these ‘miracle’ stories are supernatural events.

These sorts of conversations always tend to go the same: the believer provides a supernatural explanation for their experience, the non-believers provide possible natural explanations, the believer then attempts to poke holes in the natural explanations (”It can’t be scientific explanation X because Y happened”).

I think this is where the fundamental split between believers and non-believers is located. It is in how we react to inexplicable events (such as ‘miraculous’ events). The non-believer searches for an explanation, but is willing to admit that they don’t have a good explanation if they find none. “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer. When a believer experiences an inexplicable event, they suppose supernatural causes. If the outcome of the event is seen as good, God did it. The the outcome is bad, Satan or demons did it.

As for your particular story, it was, thankfully, a good outcome. I’m glad you are healing very quickly and hope that you have a full recovery. Since the doctors didn’t have a good natural explanation for your ‘miraculous’ recovery, you suppose God did it. What I want to know is what is wrong with “I don’t know”? Why must you have an explanation? Why do you suppose that there is no possible natural explanation?

One of the most common answers I get to these sort of questions is some version of “I feel it”. In other words, the believer feels they are right about their explanation. But our feelings about the world are often wrong. For instance, it really does feel like the earth does not move and that the sun is circling it. And how many times have people said “He/She is the one! We’ll be together forever. I can feel it” only to break up a month later?

The other problem with ‘miracle’ experiences is that any mythology can be used to supernaturally explain it away. How do you know it was the Christian God? It is just as likely that Krishna healed you, or any deity. Also, a Muslim might say that you were healed by an evil jinn who tricked you into believing a false God did it. I can even invent new supernatural explanations if I wanted to: The Great Healing Turkey of the Western Woods pecked your wounds away while you sleep. In other words, there is no way one can determine which supernatural cause was behind your experience, apart from one person’s unreliable feeling.

I have many other comments, but I’ve already written way too much. I guess I’ll have to leave other portions of your comment for others to respond to. Unless, of course, you are interested in my response to a particular issue you raised. Just let me know.

]]> By: Kyle http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-79722 Kyle Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:48:24 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79722 1.This question used to run through my mind also, but There is and there Is not (hope that makes since. There is right answers and wrong ones. (hold on I'll get to the question). Just because i believe with all my heart that 2+2=5 it doesn't make that true. I have read the bible. I have set that over top of the actions of people and my own thoughts and actions and noticed it to match. (i know this may be hard to understand, I know what i want to say I just don't know how to say it.)Mostly I know it to be true because of the miracles I've seen. I was realy sitting on the fence about telling you my story because I'm sure your picturing a religious creep who makes stuff up to sell hi Idea but I'll tell you anyway. I was at a party and they started drinking and so I was leaving. as I backed away a tripped on a log and fell face first into a fire. Both my hands went down into the flames and hair on my face had been singed off. The cloths I was wearing that night(witch I still have atest to the fact that I should've been alot worse than I am). I jumped out of the fire and my right arm had third degree burns from my fingertip to my elbow. I also had severe burns on my back.My skin was still attached In someplaces but It was black and dead. I was supposed to have skin graphs but when I showed up a week later the doctors could not believe my progress. I have not had the surgery nor do I need it. I have skin on my hand that I shouldn't have for another year yet. This happend 2 moths ago. I remember that praying during the painfull times would always ease it. i know God exists because of my personal relationship with him. I've been throught the fire I know what awaits me if My heart isn't right in the end. this is not a scare tactic. I only tell you what I know. Believe me don't belive me. (come over I'll show you the cloths and my skin, you can talk to the doctors if you want. Let me know I'll have mamw cook up a batch of cornbread, or if you don't like cornbread I'm sure we'll find somthing you like.) 2. Works are important but most important is your heart. you could cheat on your wife ask her to forgive you (even though you want to do it again) all she has is your word. What we think on most is what we are. somtimes the only diffrence from criminals and people who obey the law is the fact that criminals have the guts to do what they want as where other people are afraid of consequences or of what other people think. It's all about the want to. I don't go to church unless I want to. I don't testify unless I want to because without the want to to do the right thing it's all in vain. Prayer is talking with god. What kind of marriage would two people have if they never talked to each other. As far as worship goes, he tells us to because it is good for us. No matter what people say everyone worships somthing. Back when I worked for budwieser people we passed would basicly worship the truck and us. People worship the oppostie sex. people worship the t.v and shout it's praises people worship food. I choose to worship a god that loves us all and was willing to come down take on all our infirmaties. Be treated the worst way possible by those he came to help and to die for thier sake. I worship a God who has all our best intrests at heart, A God whoose word is not to be obeyed just because I said so but because It's good for us and keeps us from our own destructive behavior.. (kind of like if your kid is getting ready to stick his finger in a light socket, your not gona sit thereand say well if he wants to he wants to, he gives us a warning.)People tend to miss the part where he's a caring father not a mean dictator. God don't send people to hell People send people to hell. Sin is kind of like haveing metal on you when you're going through a metal detector, you can't get past it. He's not neccesarily telling us we can't get into heaven as much as informing us if you get what I mean. 1.This question used to run through my mind also, but There is and there Is not (hope that makes since. There is right answers and wrong ones. (hold on I’ll get to the question). Just because i believe with all my heart that 2+2=5 it doesn’t make that true. I have read the bible. I have set that over top of the actions of people and my own thoughts and actions and noticed it to match. (i know this may be hard to understand, I know what i want to say I just don’t know how to say it.)Mostly I know it to be true because of the miracles I’ve seen. I was realy sitting on the fence about telling you my story because I’m sure your picturing a religious creep who makes stuff up to sell hi Idea but I’ll tell you anyway. I was at a party and they started drinking and so I was leaving. as I backed away a tripped on a log and fell face first into a fire. Both my hands went down into the flames and hair on my face had been singed off. The cloths I was wearing that night(witch I still have atest to the fact that I should’ve been alot worse than I am). I jumped out of the fire and my right arm had third degree burns from my fingertip to my elbow. I also had severe burns on my back.My skin was still attached In someplaces but It was black and dead. I was supposed to have skin graphs but when I showed up a week later the doctors could not believe my progress. I have not had the surgery nor do I need it. I have skin on my hand that I shouldn’t have for another year yet. This happend 2 moths ago. I remember that praying during the painfull times would always ease it. i know God exists because of my personal relationship with him. I’ve been throught the fire I know what awaits me if My heart isn’t right in the end. this is not a scare tactic. I only tell you what I know. Believe me don’t belive me. (come over I’ll show you the cloths and my skin, you can talk to the doctors if you want. Let me know I’ll have mamw cook up a batch of cornbread, or if you don’t like cornbread I’m sure we’ll find somthing you like.)
2. Works are important but most important is your heart. you could cheat on your wife ask her to forgive you (even though you want to do it again) all she has is your word. What we think on most is what we are. somtimes the only diffrence from criminals and people who obey the law is the fact that criminals have the guts to do what they want as where other people are afraid of consequences or of what other people think. It’s all about the want to. I don’t go to church unless I want to. I don’t testify unless I want to because without the want to to do the right thing it’s all in vain. Prayer is talking with god. What kind of marriage would two people have if they never talked to each other. As far as worship goes, he tells us to because it is good for us. No matter what people say everyone worships somthing. Back when I worked for budwieser people we passed would basicly worship the truck and us. People worship the oppostie sex. people worship the t.v and shout it’s praises people worship food. I choose to worship a god that loves us all and was willing to come down take on all our infirmaties. Be treated the worst way possible by those he came to help and to die for thier sake. I worship a God who has all our best intrests at heart, A God whoose word is not to be obeyed just because I said so but because It’s good for us and keeps us from our own destructive behavior.. (kind of like if your kid is getting ready to stick his finger in a light socket, your not gona sit thereand say well if he wants to he wants to, he gives us a warning.)People tend to miss the part where he’s a caring father not a mean dictator. God don’t send people to hell People send people to hell. Sin is kind of like haveing metal on you when you’re going through a metal detector, you can’t get past it. He’s not neccesarily telling us we can’t get into heaven as much as informing us if you get what I mean.

]]> By: Alcari http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-79511 Alcari Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:18:45 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79511 "" They are searching for truth all we can do is pray they can find it. "" You do that, I'll do your thinking for you to balance it out. ""In my short time as a christian I found it best to just invite people to church, and answer a question when god puts it on someones heart to ask it of me."" Hey, that's funny, I always encourage people to do some thinking of their own, instead of sitting in church and memorising words without thought. ""They just fall short as we all do and need Christ."" So, you're my psychologist now? I've never been happier since leaving church. ""untill they ask a question they don’t already have the answer to."" Ok, I seriously don't know the anser to this one. I've asked it a lot, both around here and in church. And there's another one with all the same properties. -- why is christianty right and are all the other religions and lifestyles wrong? -- why does god require worship and prayer, instead of judging people by how much they contribute to society and how much suffering they remove from the world? “” They are searching for truth all we can do is pray they can find it. “”
You do that, I’ll do your thinking for you to balance it out.

“”In my short time as a christian I found it best to just invite people to church, and answer a question when god puts it on someones heart to ask it of me.”"
Hey, that’s funny, I always encourage people to do some thinking of their own, instead of sitting in church and memorising words without thought.

“”They just fall short as we all do and need Christ.”"
So, you’re my psychologist now? I’ve never been happier since leaving church.

“”untill they ask a question they don’t already have the answer to.”"
Ok, I seriously don’t know the anser to this one. I’ve asked it a lot, both around here and in church. And there’s another one with all the same properties.

– why is christianty right and are all the other religions and lifestyles wrong?
– why does god require worship and prayer, instead of judging people by how much they contribute to society and how much suffering they remove from the world?

]]> By: Kyle http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=231#comment-79469 Kyle Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:54:12 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/09/06/chuck-norris-takes-swing-at-separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79469 Doug, You probably cant change thier minds especialy on a site like this where mob mentality takes over. They are searching for truth all we can do is pray they can find it. In my short time as a christian I found it best to just invite people to church, and answer a question when god puts it on someones heart to ask it of me. Trying to explain things to someone who wants no explanation usually doesn't work. They think they have it figured out. They're not bad people (well at least Some are, I couldn't tell you). They just fall short as we all do and need Christ. Now I'm not saying To not testify to what God has done in your life I'm just saying that they first have to understand God's love before they can understand his commandments. I had an article posted on here by gasmanso. I would have to say as a wiser christian than i was then there is alot of things I would changed. Instead of telling them why I think I'm right I should've told them how much God loves us. (I'm sure they will pick this apart because somtimes words have many meanings. To find the truth behind the words, you must find the spirit of the writers Intent. The best way to do that is to ask Who wrote it, Why they wrote it, When they wrote it, What was happening in that point in history when they wrote it. And in this case they probably have no Idea why I have written what I have writtin. They will say probably ignorance or arrogance when it is niether. They think we write with intent to prove we are right.) All we can do for now is pray for them and try to be friendly. tell a few jokes and have some meaningles conversation, untill they ask a question they don't already have the answer to. I want you to pray for me and I'll pray for you, And we'll meet over in god's great big heaven. Im so happy to hear from any brother it brings joy to my heart. Doug, You probably cant change thier minds especialy on a site like this where mob mentality takes over. They are searching for truth all we can do is pray they can find it. In my short time as a christian I found it best to just invite people to church, and answer a question when god puts it on someones heart to ask it of me. Trying to explain things to someone who wants no explanation usually doesn’t work. They think they have it figured out. They’re not bad people (well at least Some are, I couldn’t tell you). They just fall short as we all do and need Christ. Now I’m not saying To not testify to what God has done in your life I’m just saying that they first have to understand God’s love before they can understand his commandments. I had an article posted on here by gasmanso. I would have to say as a wiser christian than i was then there is alot of things I would changed. Instead of telling them why I think I’m right I should’ve told them how much God loves us. (I’m sure they will pick this apart because somtimes words have many meanings. To find the truth behind the words, you must find the spirit of the writers Intent. The best way to do that is to ask Who wrote it, Why they wrote it, When they wrote it, What was happening in that point in history when they wrote it. And in this case they probably have no Idea why I have written what I have writtin. They will say probably ignorance or arrogance when it is niether. They think we write with intent to prove we are right.)
All we can do for now is pray for them and try to be friendly. tell a few jokes and have some meaningles conversation, untill they ask a question they don’t already have the answer to.
I want you to pray for me and I’ll pray for you, And we’ll meet over in god’s great big heaven. Im so happy to hear from any brother it brings joy to my heart.

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