While in Germany at Regensburg University, Pope Benedict wanted to explore the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity, and the relationship between violence and faith. Although he meant well it didn’t go over so smooth. The problems started when he saw it fit to quote Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire. I don’t know exactly who that is, but apparently it struck a chord with Muslims worldwide. It goes a little something like this…
Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.
Now I’m no sure where that ranks on the Islamic Freak-Out-And-Riot Scale, but I’d imagine it’s up there. Maybe not to the level of the Danish cartoons, which sparked global chaos and a few hundred deaths, but up there. The head of the Muslim Brotherhood confirmed that the remarks "aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world".
Now there are two important aspects I’d like comments on. First, is their any truth to what the Pope said? Secondly, are Muslims too irrational and overly violent in their reactions? Actually I’ll add a third. Is the Pope just an evil Emperor?
Thanks again Itanshi for the tip on this one!
UPDATE: Houston, We Have Riots!!!
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Well, now the Pope has issued a personal apology, and the violence does not look like abating. It saddens me to think that every time something like this happens, I lose some of my respect for people of the muslim faith.
If Islam wants to be accepted as a peaceful religion, then for God’s sake prove it.
Dave
Islam claims to be peaceful, but it comes nowhere close to the practice of peace by Buddhists. Remember back in early 2003 when the Taliban destroyed the 1000 year old giant statues of the Buddha with rockets? That action surely is more offensive to a Buddhist than any cartoon or misguided quote directed at Muslims. How did the Buddhists in the world respond? They practiced what they preached. Absolutely no violence or even an angry word. No response in fact. The “art” community had a greater outcry at the destruction of those world historical art. In fact the Buddhists demonstrated the TRUTH of their beliefs by their non action. For one, the IMPERMANANCE of all things. Whether by rockets in 10 minutes or by erosion in 20,000 years, those statues will eventually disappear. So getting upset at the destruction would be useless. Did any Buddhists destroy mosques throughout the world in retaliation? Of course not, they practice NONVIOLENCE. And nothing demonstrated KARMA better than what happened to the Taliban afterwards. They destroyed those statues because they wanted a pure Islamic state in Afghanistan, but by the end of the year, they were invaded by American infidels and overthrown. Now that is karma in action!
So for all you Muslims continually saying that Islam is a religion of peace, your standards need to be raised to a higer level. Until you can respond with “non-violent action” or even more difficult, NOT TO RESPOND AT ALL to any perceived insults directed at you or your religion, you cannot claim to be a religion of peace.
Maybe instead of praying five times a day, you should use one of those sessions to sit on your butts in Buddhist meditation, look within to determine why you are so thin-skinned and easily provoked.
Seeing the reactions to those cartoons and the Pope’s quotes, I cannot imagine what the response would be if somebody took a rocket to a statue of Mohammed, luckily he was wise enough to say no image of himself is allowed.
“The other thing, can the pope say that about Moses and about the Jews, just have the courage and tell, what would happen to the pope, he might end in the prison, because he is anti-sematic.”
It would be in bad taste just like his statement about muslims, but he would never get sent to jail for stating his opinion. There are no laws against being anti-sematic, and jews would not riot and kill people. They would most likely demand an apology, and protest peacefully.
I don’t know the reason for this, but I’m sure it’s not the teaching of the islam religion itself. It’s probably just a cultural thing. Some people don’t understand or respect freedom of speech and peaceful protest, and a lot of them happen to be muslims.
“Please don’t stick the vilonce to Islam, if somebody commits violence, it’s just because they see how the pope try to blind people, and he is talking about prophet Mohamed. He will never be 1 of trillion of prophet Mohamed, and he dares to talk about him.
Could he talk about president Bush and his crimes in Iraq, or Israel in Lebanon, sure enough he can’t other wise he would be in one of this secret prisons for Bush.”
Bush is one of these people. His actions are indeed disgraceful. I’m not gonna defend him… his approval rating is very low. He is in general a terrible human being.
One thing I will mention though, is that you, who claim to be a liberal muslim, seem to get very agitated at the prospect of someone of another faith talking about mohamed/islam. Why? People stating opinions, however wrong, aren’t hurting anyone. You can state your opinions too. If the pope said something like “Atheists are evil,” I would not get angry. I’d just remember that the pope is a retard, and anyone who actually believes him is equally ignorant. I may state my opinion, and I may protest peacefully, but I certainly wouldn’t go around killing catholics, because of their misguided views.
What I find that is funny is that muslims say it is a religion that spreads peace in the world. Yet there are a growing number of muslims who are willing to kill for there beliefs.
The quran is littered contaversial stuff, that is justified with acceptable stuff.
Its like saying you can kill someone but its got to be for the right reason.
The thing is you still killed someone for whatever opinion or reason you can think of. What difference does it make whether you say alla is good or anything your still going to hell.
I’m obviously talking about suicide bombing and the thoery behind this. If you have any common sense, this will look a bit strange thing to find in a book that is all about peace. Hey may be this is a clue, to unravelling the consiracy thoery behind to what the quran’s really saying.
once you separated the means with the justification you can see what the pope is on about,
”islam is a faith spread by the sword” – Well the way muslims are tort you must be a believe in alla as your god and only him. Or you are put in one group as an unbeliever, in which case you shall be killed for being an infidel to god.
Don’t you think responding in a way of violence is proving the pope’s statement true. That spreading this pyschology is a controlling fear, in which case if you are living in a muslim country will have to conform to.
Lets hope that immration don’t get any worse or we will be all wearing bukkas
Q: Why is there so many favours to islam, (mild, modarate or spicy hot!!! only joking!!
The answer lies when you look at all translations and versions of the quran. The message remains the same but the wording is changed. If you want to see what lies under cleverly written modarate text, then bite the chilli and look at what the extreme translations say. This stuff is what the pope is on about, there is evil in quran. Once you found stuff then think to yourself, if this religon is all about peace then why is this stuff here!!!! maybe your on the wrong side.
I tell you why, because god is love and peace and not to indice fear and hatred to others, so further more this evil stuff is outside the true nature of god.
“I tell you why, because god is love and peace and not to indice fear and hatred to others, so further more this evil stuff is outside the true nature of god.”
I’ll tell you why, because humans are violent animals that like to feel special, and ignorance will forever reign supreme on this dust ball we know as a planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15KgyXBX24
The thing about mohammed is evil is untrue, it’s the religion that is evil.
Mohammed was a kind and blessed man, who was a man who became born again and opened a door in his mind for communion with god. This is what is means to be a christian and have jesus living with you at all times. It is only sin that takes us away from god, not with god as he so whats to meet you and help you forfil your destiny in life. One thing the devil couldn’t break is mohammed love for god.
Most people who hear the word sin, are caught up with the whole idea of the way of the catholics used this in a way to control the public. But sin is actually the sprits or demons that come into our lives. though drink, drugs, gamling, etc….
Its that urge you get to want another, many people have a addiction its all part of life, rebelling against the very things that are un-christian. So is the catholics religion controlling the public, well yeah if you are into rebel teenager or someone who don’t like the idea of being maliputlated into a certain way of thinking. But is it surely for the right reasons, just look at the world we live in. You got many people who are high on drugs, doing all sorts of bad things. Yeah, know the types?? If not try leaving your door open without locking next time when you go out, chances are you’ve just missed him, as hes already half way down the road with your TV.
Seriously the religion islam is ultimately evil, but with mohammed, well he’s a person who just liked loved to talk to people about his new found friend, god. It’s the quran that has been altered and is used to control people with its clever wording. God has given us a life full of choices, so why must he be so controlling in what you should do and think. The truth is what comes from inside and your relationship with god and not from any book. Remember It’s religion that is man made to controlling the masses. God just wants you not to sin or blow yourself up. So he can lead you to paradise. How can a man enter paradise by killing someone else. You look at the innocent people died in the world trade building and london bombings, how can you see this will please god. Come on! Can’t see it yet but I could always read the Quran and find the correct justification for this. It is one of those things where you think wheres the catch or the small print. Its inhuman that’s it, what the pope said.
P.S. I don’t like this pope he not in my opinion what I would say is a man of god. Yeah, he looks like the emperor, its uncanny. Maybe he is the antichrist, because to say such a thing would provoke reaction. In his situation, (not mine) you can’t say something like that Maybe that’s the plan.!!!! He is a German!!!. He is surprisingly unwise to give the Muslims another thing to hate now (mmm…hate pope….must kill!!!! Or we’ll take it out on the Christians yeah….hate Christians…..yeah…) Just look at that funny Muslim man who is punching the camera. A bit pissed off wouldn’t you say.
to Mohammad,you don’t dare say any thing about jesus in Egypt,but you dare kill christians?
do you deny the fact that many christians were killed by rasist muslims in Egypt?because if you do,appearently you don’t know how things happen in Egypt.
Arya,
I’m Muslim from Egypt, may be it’s happening now, but it didn’t happen when Islam enterd Egypt, becaue that was the real Muslims are, let’s agree on something, Christian in Egypt is more extreme than Muslims, they are not angels, but I know somehow they aren’t treated well, which I don’t agree with.
Omar bin Elkhatab, one of the friends of the prophets, they offered him to pray in church, and he refused, when they asked him why you didn’t do that? he said I’m afraid that Muslims know in the future that I prayed in this church, so they will destroy it and build mosque. That was from almost 1600 years and he follows the religion and the same Quran, but he know the Islam better than us now, and he followed the real Islam.
And please every body, know that every country and every civilization has upsets, which we are no different, every thing in this world created to change, only god who never changed, I remember the Americans as cowboys, or did you forget how the American soceity started.
A lot of crimes happened along the history, tell me how many happened from Muslims in 2000 years, please read the history and see how the Europen was occupying the world take every nation’s national resource, with unjust and killing people, what about the German, and Hitler. All the German was following Hitler, not all the Muslims following Usama Bin Laden, it might be 2000 or 3000 people with 1 billion people.
I really hate Usama Bin Laden, he made some cowboys dare and talk about Islam like that, that’s your chance, I don’t blame you all to take your chance against Islam.
All I can say, when somebody like the pope say something like that, it’s big deal, that’s invitaion for the rest in the world to fight Islam, he is not an idiot, he knows what’s he doing and he know how many people listen to him and how he affect millions of people, we can say a lot of christianty and, but we keep our mouth shut. Jesus is not son of god and this bible is not right and every body knows it.
Well Mohamed, you managed to get one thing right… Jesus is not the son of God, nor is Mohammed the prophet. You people foolishly follow myths and legends like a kid chasing Santa or the tooth fairy. None of you have ever met Jesus or Mohammed. None of you know someone that has. You are all blindly following a fantasy, and for what I ask?
Keep your religions to yourself and let the rest of us live our joyous lives in peace.
gasmonso
We never said that Muhammed is son of god, he is a guy sent to people, and he is not a myth, nor Jesus is myth, Jesus just prophet sent to people like Moses, they all are prophets deserve respect, people ignoring existence of god, and it’s to easy to see that there is a god. this whole universe run in coonsistent way for reason, the sun shine every day, may be chance, the human being came by chance, and they came in man and women to ger children to mutiply, all by accident, every thing by accident. Can you tell me how many accidents should happen to get this world in that way. all the animales, all this things by accident.
What’s really hard, to beleive in god create all of these things, or to beleive that every thing happen by accident.
God gives examples to people in this live to the reasonable people to think about, not to the people they don’t even scared to think about it.
One day you will know, if it myth or truth, but for sorry this day will be too late to go back and beleive there is god.
We all are going to die, then we will know the truth.
You can beleive or not, it’s your choice, but I have the freedon to defend Islam against cowboys.
“this whole universe run in coonsistent way for reason, the sun shine every day, may be chance, the human being came by chance, and they came in man and women to ger children to mutiply, all by accident, every thing by accident. Can you tell me how many accidents should happen to get this world in that way. all the animales, all this things by accident.”
I suppose you aren’t very familiar with evolutionary theory, but I don’t find it hard to believe at all that human beings are an “accident”.
In the universe there are billions of planets that meet the conditions for supporting carbon based organic life. Is it really that hard to believe that life could evolve on one of them? I find it hard to believe that given the numbers, life wouldn’t happen “by accident”. All life on this planet can be explained naturally by evolution, without the need for a god, and just because you may find it hard to believe, doesn’t mean it’s not perfectly plausible.
As for your arguments about sun shine and the like. For any life form that evolved to adapt to it’s environment, it is hardly a wonder that we should find natural phenominons such as sunlight to be wonderful. I’m sure bats find dark wet caves to be just as spectacular, but it doesn’t mean theres a bat god.
Does believing that humanity wasn’t designed for a purpose make it any less significant?
“We all are going to die, then we will know the truth.”
We are going to die…. that’s it. You can’t “know” anything when you are dead. Even if you believe in souls, which I don’t, but that’s another argument, you have to accept that “knowing” something means nothing more than a pattern of synapses encoded in a flesh vessel. When you die, it is proven that those patterns desintegrate. Even if you have a soul, you don’t “know” anything about your soul before you were born, and you won’t “know” anything when you’re dead.
being dead will be just like it was before you were born, nothingness. I know it can be hard to accept, but it makes much more sense that any religion.
Revlution, so we came from Gurilla, I will assume that you are right, where is this creature that get evuloted came from. You know inside your self that didn’t happen from chance, human being never been animal, god blessed the human being and give him the brain to think about it, I can’t beleive that someone has sense of logic think that we came from animal or by accident.
So we came here in the earth, has no purpose, with no god.
Do you know what does it mean if there is no god, mena mess, means I would kill you and don’t care about it any thing, it means that when somebody do unjust for me, nobody would get my right back.
If every body beleived that god exist, we would be better off, because you would think million time before you do smething wrong, we came here for test, all of this life is just test, you do good, you go to heaven, you do bad you go to hell, no matter if you are Muslim, Christian or Jew.
Being dead is not like you didn’t get born, being dead means that you alredy got your test, and good luck.
God existence makes way better sense than the Carbon theory you talk about, or revloution theory, god makes you better degree than a monkey, and the human being wanna be monkey.
So far I didn’t see monkey becomes human being, may be in the next revloution.
God guides you to the truth.
Please to who ever wanna know more about the real Islam, not the Islam that has been image in the media, go to this link http://www.amrkhaled.net/acategories/categories79.html.
This link belongs to a really good Muslim lectuterer, it’s in English, if you really interested to know what the real Islam is and why I’m defending prophet Muhammed, just read what’s in this link.
> Revlution, so we came from Gurilla, I will assume that you are right, where is this creature that get evuloted came from.
The creature that evolved into a guerilla, obviously.
> Do you know what does it mean if there is no god, mena mess, means I would kill you and don’t care about it any thing
I dont believe in a God/gods. I dont wander around killing people. I have no intention of ever doing such things. I would like to think that overall, I’m a pretty good person – I enjoy life and try to see that other people enjoy their lives. Now lets add in a God. Suddenly, instead of doing the right thing because I enjoy it, I’m doing the right thing because I fear going to hell. My motivation has turned from joy to fear. Is that even what a god would want?
> If every body beleived that god exist, we would be better off, because you would think million time before you do smething wrong,
Really? You would suggest that I dont think before I act? You think that Bush gave excess thought to killing tens of thousands of Iraqis? You think that the 911 hijackers openly discussed the moral implications of their actions with a broad and open panel of advisors? Religion leads to a narrowness of mind and a reduction of analysis, which causes people to do wrong, even by their own god’s analysis.
> God existence makes way better sense than the Carbon theory
Blind faith allows it to make more sense. Critical analysis does not. Do you really want to close your mind that much?
Skyclad, I repect your point of view of evolution. It all just makes senses, however
why have envolution suddenly stopped. Theres no new animals, the only animal that scientist have studies on that uses a process of evolution is a catapillar/butterfly. Thats the bottom line, but there is some true to evolution I give you that (it would stand up otherwise) Its that fact that life adapts to its surroundings. perfect example would be polar bears and bog standard bears, they have suit there requirements and environment needs.
Just look at humans they are all sorts of colours of orgin, it all comes down to climate and genes that have been past down.
This is the science of evolution, that your clinging onto. Have you seen the video of evolution schmevolution its so funny, it showed the Darwin theory of the progression of man from ape. And the next step after man was the couch potato. So funny….
There no more evolution going on man face it
But have u heard the lastest evolution theory floating around????
Its the evolution of islam. it started small, grew and mulputed
> It all just makes senses, however why have envolution suddenly stopped.
Surely this is a troll? If not, please please actually do some reading on the whole concept of evolution!
> Its that fact that life adapts to its surroundings.
And this process can take tens of thousands of years. Dont expect your children to have a backward facing eye because you tink it might be useful for them.
and now its mutated into something evil.
Strange how you don’t believe in myths yet you think trolls exist
Which gene pool did they evolve from??
http://www.internet-description.com/t/troll-net-culture.html
The invocation of ethical relativism is no solution when we talk about two cultures in conflict. Of course each culture is different; that’s mastery of the obvious. Grow up. The members of each culture must use reason to bridge their differences. The alternative is war.
How free would you be under Muslim rule? How tolerant would they be of relativistic thinking, of alternative lifestyles, and so on?
“Strange how you don’t believe in myths yet you think trolls exist
Which gene pool did they evolve from??”
He’s a troll, ignore him.
To mohamed,
“Do you know what does it mean if there is no god, mena mess, means I would kill you and don’t care about it any thing, it means that when somebody do unjust for me, nobody would get my right back.
If every body beleived that god exist, we would be better off, because you would think million time before you do smething wrong, we came here for test, all of this life is just test, you do good, you go to heaven, you do bad you go to hell, no matter if you are Muslim, Christian or Jew.”
The way I see it, everyone would be better off if no one believed in god. I don’t believe in god and I don’t go around killing people. Whens the last time an atheist killed in the name of religion? Atheists rely on naturalism and common sense. They are more flexible and better suited to the real world than any religion.
“You know inside your self that didn’t happen from chance, human being never been animal, god blessed the human being and give him the brain to think about it, I can’t beleive that someone has sense of logic think that we came from animal or by accident.”
I know inside myself that I’d like to believe in a fairy tale, but I also know that I live in the real world. Human beings evolved from animals over a period of times much longer than recorded history. Most people who dispute evolution, don’t know a thing about it. Every bit of it makes sense, and it is as much a theory, as the theory that the earth revolves around the sun. If whatever religion you believe in told you not to believe that the earth revolved around the sun… you wouldn’t. Open your mind.
Human beings ARE animals. Have you ever had a pet? Do you believe that they don’t feel like you do? Why should they not be as “special” as us? The only difference between us and every other animal is that we are more intelligent. At one point in time, it is very likely that there will be beings more intelligent than human beings, be it through evolution, genetic engineering, or artificial lifeforms. When they arise, and we aren’t the smartest animals, why should we be special then?
The Lord is my cat, she knows what’s going on but doesn’t want to get involved. What a wonderful way to get through life.
It funny how conversions move from one topic to the next and with reglion it either ends in my religions better than your or to that old evolution vs creationism chestnut.
This is always go on until christ returns, once has prophecy has forfil itself in both books (Bible and the Quran) Its a battle against good and evil. The root of all wars.
For anyone like “your father” who to be has his own valid reasons for what he believes or don’t believe. The whole thing with evolution seems to make alot of sense that what it was designed for an EXPLAINATION THOUGH SCIENCE.
But whats happened within the space of 2000 years, christanity has lasted a very long time. Say if you brought something in a shop and it does work, the survival of that shop wouldn’t last, if everyone are not getting what they asked for.
Suddenly a new shop on the high street has popped up, with a attractive shop window, when you look inside the shop is empty, why is it empty, because there is no missing link in the evolution theory. where are the talking monkeys there not there!!!. Sorry (It would be quite a strange shop if they where there, ha ha)
If that shops cool for you and your happy at how it looks, thats fine, but next time your walking down the road take a look in the god shop, the outside has been vandalised a bit by the youth yobs, (its all that hip hop nowadays). The look of the shop seem dated but I can promise you its nice inside and the service is very friendly. People always judge without knowing the full facts. go inside and experience what its all about and if its not for you then yeah, at least you tried it so you got a balanced opinion to the matter. My advice go-to the right church dont goto one of those dead catholic churches your experience nothing, unless you have faith already and sing the praise. Goto a gospel meeting, its overwealming in there and your experience what its all about.
Don’t take my word on it, take his, you sound intelligent enough to research the evolution theory now go and experience what jesus is all about and I promise you won’t be disapointed.
I just wonder how the evolution started, Gurilla became man and then how did he get then woman from, or may be started as woman and then this woman gave birth with out man for two twins, then the great accident happend one of the babies was boy, it’s all accidents any way.
That’s really make sense, it’s myth, Darwin just imagine the theory and the evidence is so weak.
If somebody told me how the evoultion came as man and woman, and each one has it’s sexual member that perfectly designed ot produce childern. That’s nonsense, I think Darwin was drunk when he wrote that.
God glorify human-being make all the angels kneel down to him except devil, he is the one he refused, because he thought that he is better than Adam. Here we are noe the devil manage to make his follower to adopt the idea and downgrade the human-being to an animal, we are not animals, we are higher than animals we have brain and mind to think about.
Stop downgrade your self to animal, if you think you are an animal, it’s up to you, I’m not.
Christianity’s age does not make it valid. Before evolutionary theory, people wanted an explaination for the existence of humans, and religion was the only one people could come up with. Sure it was full of holes, but there was nothing else out there that made more sense. Well, evolution is here now and it makes far far more sense. Since Christianity lasted so long, it became deeply rooted in our cultures, and many people aren’t willing to let it go, no matter how flawed.
As for your missing link. They do exist, fossils have been found of certain steps on our evolutionary ladder. Look into it, search for “Lucy” or homo australipithecus, homo erectus, (sp?) etc… It also makes perfect sense that they wouldn’t exist today. Those of a species less equipped to survive don’t. If genes for our missing link ancestors started that made them smarter started to spread, then those without the genes would die off, resulting in a smarter, more human species. Like I said before, those who dispute evolution, usually don’t know enough about it.
These fossils were found and named from the size of there skulls and bones, some are erroaded away, but are reccoigned for a link with man. There is so much variety in humans you got all shapes and sizes just look at the basketball players. Do they have special names due to their abnormal frame. No they are all human.
There must be also a variety of bones found and the ones outside the average size is abnormal so they are given a name. There is so much variety in life you can’t say this is a typical size of people as everyone is different, but you could say
the average size is this but you would need to conduct a very large study to cater for all types of remains
I do believe there is some true in evolution, all species of living things do adapt to their environment. If you lived in a cave your ears will grow to adapt to the reverberation of the cavern. If you lived in a cold climate your bones will change size and harden to suit its needs and surroundings. There are so many factors that could change nature, the species would still be the same, but just another variation.
The age of these people are debatable, what archologicist say is how deep they found the bones, but if look at how vocanoes add layers to the land, you could say it adds many thousands of years to what lies beneath. The world is littered with vocanoes and cracks where continents split and the lava changes the depth and mass of the land.
Nearly all people who debating this who are for evolution are saying theres no god and only evolution, where people who are for creation are ok not familar with much of the evolution theory because your saying there is no god. It going against history and peoples religous experiences. I don’t need a book to tell me god exist because of the experiences I’ve had. But what I’m saying is that they both co-exist. Life needs to evolve to survive but the orgins are debatable especially if you consider which came first the chicken or the egg.
“These fossils were found and named from the size of there skulls and bones, some are erroaded away, but are reccoigned for a link with man. There is so much variety in humans you got all shapes and sizes just look at the basketball players. Do they have special names due to their abnormal frame. No they are all human.”
Those bones couldn’t be from a human. Genetic diversity among humans doesn’t account for a smaller cranial cavity in the skull (which would contain a smaller brain). You can’t look at horse bones and say it’s a human because homans are diverse. The same goes for the missing link species, and carbon dating can definitely show the difference between thousands and millions of years.
“It going against history and peoples religous experiences.”
People who said the world wasn’t flat went against history and peoples religous experiences too.
“Life needs to evolve to survive but the orgins are debatable especially if you consider which came first the chicken or the egg.”
The egg… The individual chicken who brought about speciation (the development of a new species) came from an egg that came from another species similar to a chicken.
Your extremely knowledge on the subject, You’ve managed to answer my questions professionally and precisely to your opinion of our orgins, I still think that there is a lot of unexplainable things in this world that can’t be explained though science like the miracle healing. One that would baffle the highest level of expert in medical science.
But its been quite educational talking to you all the same, I still have my beliefs and I do hope that your see the other side of the coin one day, one that will bring you to see the whole picture.
To whom said that he wants to enjoy life and to be free. There is no freedom on this earth, any freedom has to have rules to protect it doesn’t make it mess.
I need somebody to answer my question, what if somebody killed you, do you think it’s fair, and what if the justice couldn’t get him, what do you think, would that be justice, who is going to get you right back.
Fear of god bring safety to you, if every body know the truth that there is god watching him, he would hesitate to kill, rape or beat, you would think million time before do something like that, and I’m talking in general, it has to be god there to get your right back when somebody do unjustice to you.
Who do you think would judge Bush and Usama Bin Laden for all of the evil doing, do you think they are going to run away with it?, no I will not happen, god will get them as they trotured and killed people.
I don’t think the evolution would that, or may be the mother nature.
So again fear of god is not something bad as you think, it gives you the safety, and make you stronger because you know there is the strongest that no body can’t deafet him which is god.
mohammed, want you on about fear god. You will be judged yeah, in this life. But thats your decision. Its which pathway you take in life, that determines your fate with god.
I’m not sure you know god well or not but he is the god of love and peace, you got nothing to fear, fear comes from the devil, my friend
God is forgiving and if you sin against him, he will accept you back, providing your willing to change.
Retailation comes from man, just look at the pictures at the top of the screen do you think god is motivating or the devil…..think about it mate…..hate is not a characterist of god. forgiveness is do you think they have it in them to forgive the pope. No come on!!! mohammed. I believe you are a good man at heart.
If you think god will have judgement on your enermy why don’t you leave it to god then, no these are not the actions of men of god, but violent men so far from the heavenly father its unreal.
When you say “if somebody killed you, do you think it’s fair”,
Your religon wants to kill the infidels (unbelievers), and take over the world. and what your saying after is revengeful. This is not what god wants at all.
This same “fear of god” made those people in the plane kill innocent people in the WTS building. And as that building went down people in muslims countries were cheering as this was the first step in a chain of results that is leading us to armaggon (Jihad).
Its not the fear of not getting into heaven its the will of making this evil prophecy come true. and booking your one way ticket to hell.
My freind,
If Islam wanted to take over the world like you say, we would do it from long time ago, when the christian and the jews has no power and we were the most powerfull nation.
You point finger that we kill people for revernge, we don’t kill people, we got killed every day in Iraq and our women raped, and your president is christian and he is supposed that he is so colse to god, where was the forgivness that you talk about when 9/11 happened, or you can remember your faith and forgivness when you talk to me.
Islam didn’t kill christian either in Egypt nor Lebanon nor syrian when he conqered these countries, they let worship what they beleive in.
You beleive that Jesus is the son of god, god needs no sons, Jesus is just prophet, and if you read the real bible if existed any more, you will know that he is not, he is just prophet, and he is most likely is ashamed of people that think that he is god, because god will ask him this question, Christian think that Jesus died for their sins, Jesus didn’t die yet, he is in the sky, and he will return to kill the anti-christ and then he will die, and he will be judged like all the prophets and all human being.
Don’t fear god because god mercifull, I totally agree that god is the most mercifull, and you will not get to the heaven by just your doing but also by his mercy, but you still have to fear him, he owns everthing in this world, he decides your destiny, otherwise do what ever you want, and then say god will forgive me, because Jesus died for my sins.
Why Jesus would die for your sins, he can’t even controll his own destiny, he just did and he will do what he has been told as prophet, we all servants for god, including prophets, it’s all about your doing and god mercy.
For sure it doesn’t convince you that Jesus is not god, God doesn’t eat or drink, god is not human being, you can’t even reach god by imigination, your imigination is limtied to certain point.
I hope I didn’t offend you, and please be carefull about pointing about Muslims that they kill people, Christian has long history of vilonce, so please read history.
“To whom said that he wants to enjoy life and to be free. There is no freedom on this earth, any freedom has to have rules to protect it doesn’t make it mess.
I need somebody to answer my question, what if somebody killed you, do you think it’s fair, and what if the justice couldn’t get him, what do you think, would that be justice, who is going to get you right back.”
That’s exactly the point. Currently, there are people who get away with killing. Justice doesn’t always get them, but it’s always improving. Religion leaves no room for improvment on this planet. It just concedes that God will make it all better. What
Religion holds back social and scientific progress, which can make all of our lives better and stop these things from happening. The reason so few people kill each other isn’t (just) because of religion, but because society punishes them, and has gotten very good at catching them. When we get to the point where it is nearly impossible to get away with murder, very few will do it. Religion can’t hope to get the same results, especially when people find excuses to kill each other, because of religion.
If people like Bush and Bin Laden weren’t religious, do you really think there would be so much violence? THey both think god approves of what they are doing. Why would anyone suicide bomb, if they didn’t think they were going to heaven?
“I don’t think the evolution would that, or may be the mother nature.”
Of course not. People do, as I’ve discussed. The hard work of one does more than the prayer of millions.
Last chance saloon ,
I will tell you something, you invited people to go to church and listen to what is said in church, if you really mean it, please do the same go to this link and tell me what do you think, and please hold your bible with you, you will need it: http://www.ais.org/~maftab/mhdbble
read the whole thing and tell me your opinion.
Progress,
Dynmite was progress, used to be bombs, neuclar energy became bombs, even the intenet, full og male ware.
Religion doesn’t hold progress or scince, other wise the Islamic civilization wouldn’t last for long time.
Muslims lost their way, they don’t apply the real islam, our prophe said “seek the knowledge even if it was in China”, which China was the futher place on the earth at this time.
It’s not Islam, it’s about Muslims, I’m religious and moderate and I beleive in Islam, I didn’t kill and I won’t kill any body, the other argument that you are atheiest, no atheist committed crimes.
How many people drug kill every year, does Muslims sell drugs in USA, does Mr Bush fight it, to stop killing Americans.
Most Likely, that Usama Bin Laden is an American Agent and he was and it’s truth, all I can see he is sincere friend to Mr Bush, when Bush in trouble, you found Mr Laden next day threatening and promising Americans by killing.
The most common quote now in the news” Iraqi has to fight and die for their freedom”, so why the USA gov now put limits to the American freedom, should they die for their freedom too, or should they lose their freedom!!!!!
I know most of you don’t agree with the USA gov, it just things I hear in the news and makes me mad.
> How many people drug kill every year, does Muslims sell drugs in USA, does Mr Bush fight it, to stop killing Americans.
And where is the vast majority of Opium grown in the world? A (former) fundamentalist muslim state perhaps?
> I need somebody to answer my question, what if somebody killed you, do you think it’s fair,
If someone killed me, I’m dead. I dont think anymore. Therefore the point is irrelevant. Nonetheless, I wouldnt want someone to get revenge for me. That’s not my way.
> I just wonder how the evolution started, Gurilla became man and then how did he get then woman from, or may be started as woman and then this woman gave birth with out man for two twins, then the great accident happend one of the babies was boy, it’s all accidents any way.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you are going to talk about evolution, read about it first. Understand that while I respect your right to have a different view, without educating yourself to the alternatives, you make statements like these which appear to be incredibly naive and foolish.
> You point finger that we kill people for revernge, we don’t kill people,
How does this tally with your previous comment “I need somebody to answer my question, what if somebody killed you, do you think it’s fair, and what if the justice couldn’t get him, what do you think, would that be justice, who is going to get you right back.”
> we got killed every day in Iraq and our women raped,
And accoridng to Sharia law, those women are responsible as they are commiting adultery, right?
Answer on #84.
I don’t need a God to tell me not to kill someone. My upbringing and my human nature (built into my code matrix)instructs me. Killing another human being is hardly instinctive, thats what separates us from animals. Or do you beleive that murdering in the name of some faith divides you from what your conscience tells YOU.
some days i have my doubts just how much better off the world really would be without religion… obviously, some people are so weak, dumb and morally bankrupt that they need a made-up punishment system to keep them in check. then they go to the other extreme and start killing in the name of their fake punishment system, expecting to be rewarded. whats the solution? labour… err i mean “jesus” camps?
“I hope I didn’t offend you, and please be carefull about pointing about Muslims that they kill people, Christian has long history of vilonce, so please read history.”
This kind of comments make me very weary. People always use history as excuse. We know christians, well most major groups, have violent history.
Is that good enough excuse to be violent in this day?
How things can ever get better if people keep searching some slight or injury to avenge from history?
And saying do not say we are violent and then doing the exactly same thing. Why do people love fingerpointing so much?
I’m not saying it’s excuse, every civilization has it’s ups and downs.
Why didn’t you look at the occupation that tore tha ME down from the West, they left every body poor in the area, and that was not even enough, the put murderes in the ME(ISRAEL), to make sure this area in the world in conflict all the time.
Islam is the most spread religion even in USA, no matter how horrible you try to show Islam.
Why didn’t to talk about the Americans and what they doing, and they talking about the freedom and the civilization. Listen to the American media and hear what they saying and how Bush and the congress restrict your freedom.
If USA contiues on what they doing, they are going to end like ME. You will see
If history is not an excuse, why do you bring it up? What has been done, has been done, in case of your reference, the israel.
You know turning time backwards is not possible and it cannot be erased from history but yet you bring it up in a way that it causes people to get annoyed.
To have any kind of possibility for a peace the past has to be forgiven not forgotten but that might be that trouble spot, is it not? Forgivance is tough thing to do as you have to be willing to think of others, instead of yourself.
What remains if certain people cannot bring old arguments, differences and other such issues to front in an inflammatory way? They have to face up with the fact that they are empty inside, no amount of praying will fill that kind of a void.
I have american friends even if I cannot agree with their goverment. I have moslem friends even if I do not agree with their religion.
Why? I do not seek to be better than them, I am quite content to be their equal. I do not blame them of the deeds of their fathers nor goverments or even religions.
And yes, I am nor american or moslem. I am just a person living in this world that is being torn apart by past.
heh, it was israel that was attacked multiple times by neighbouring muslim countries. bigger countries with bigger armies. and each time israel kicked their asses. israels methods might be questionable, but every time they are just responding to someone else attacking them. you can argue israels right to exist till the cows come home, but they are there now and they aren’t going anywhere. intelligent people would stop protesting/bombing/whatever and find a way to work around it. its been more than 50 years, get over it. certain people in ME seem to have vested interests in blaming all of that regions problems on israel instead of looking for real sources/solutions to those problems.
I promise you they will go, and by the way read what happened to them 1973, and who get his ass kicked, or did you forget, till the American came and interfer to stop the war.
Time will show you, small group of Muslims kicked their butt, or did you just forget, it was just two month ago, heheheheh.
@Mohamed
You seem to enjoy the death and carnage caused by that fighting “just two month ago” and the fighting in 1973.
Are you saying that as a Moslem, one should relish on the deaths of Moslem and infidel? Is that what “your” prophet teaches?
My entire life is an accident, it was fortunate that on the day I was conceived, my father shot his load inside my mother’s cunt instead of her rectum as he usually does. Praise be Allah.
I didn’t say the comment in 99, some stupid takes me name.
JKM, it’s not about killing, it’s about our land, we will die for it, like American died for their freedom, or is it good for you and bad for us.