This should come as no surprise to anyone. Cartoons depicting the latest Muslim craze over the Pope’s comments are turning up at a frantic pace. Here is where you will find a permanent home for the cartoons that will grow with time so keep checking :) Here’s a good one to get you started.
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September 19th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Hehehe… I’d just love and religious all-out war…
September 19th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Is it wrong to hope for a christian muslim war where both sides wipe each other out?
September 19th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
I’d take the pope a bit more seriously if he’d apologize for times when Catholic terrorist groups like the Ustashi massacred people in the name of their faith.
Plus, you all should not judge and mock the adherents of any religon based on the actions of a few. After all, Bosnia is plurality Muslim and Kosovo is majority Muslims, and nobody is rioting there. Maybe the anger of the pope’s remarks are more deeply seated.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:10 pm
I’m really offended by this cartoon, We didn’t spread Islam by sword, there is nothing prevaild by sword, Islam is the most mercifull religion and the reason for your civilization now.
The Pope is quoting Empror, so he downgrade him self, because we should understand that the empror is so knowledgelable, which the empror is so ignorant, and the pope is more ignorant than him, it would be acceptable if the quote prophet Jesus which Jesus is better place than the Pope, but the Pope quote ignorant empror, he held people as slaves, I think that what the pope is hoping for to get back to slavery time.
Islam freed the world from slavery, and Islam is the reason for all the technlogy and the advances in this world, when the west in dark ages.
World changes, Muslims was the dominant power, and now USA is the dominant power, but nothing last for ever, only god never change, one day we will be stronger than we are now.
Nobody will humilate Islam, Islam would be strong, and if there is few express that in wrong way, I’m not going to do it in that way.
To the owner to this blog, I respect the freedom of opinion, but publishing this cartoons, is totally disrespect and hurt some other people feeling, you didn’t know prophet Mohamed and you didn’t read about him, so you assume something based on hearing not based on face, if you read about prophet Mohamed, I promis you will delete this image from your blog, he is not Usama Bin laden, for the million time, Usama Bin Laden doesn’t represnt Islam, Prophet Mohamed is the only truly representitve for Islam.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
So we would still be a bunch of bumbling apes if it weren’t for islam? I find it hard to believe that we would not have expanded our species knowledge, either thanks to any other religious institution or organization, or pure determination of the species itself. Islam didn’t create our brains and islam didn’t make us the (mostly) reasonable thinking creatures we are today. I may or may not have helped us advance more quickly perhaps, but what good is it now then? I don’t use an Apple II for my day to day computing because we have advanced above that level of computing, and I do not threaten another person’s life for insulting me or my beliefs because my mind has moved above that level.
September 20th, 2006 at 2:01 am
@Hoodlum
first of all, bosnia is not predominantely muslim, they only make up about 30% of population. second, there was a civil war in that region. i am bosnian (really yugoslav) and i remember what the muslims (imported and otherwise) did to that region. kosovo IS, but mostly due to the fact that muslims breed like rats, and JBT in all his mercy let the kosovo albanians do whatever they wanted (one of his mistakes). FYI, ustasha is a term for croatian fashists during WW2. guess who cooperated with them? GUESS!!! it was mainly muslims! a whole SS divison was composed of yugoslavian muslims.
@mohamed
heh, the only reason you guys have ANY worthwhile tech is oil. do you really think any of you could afford american or russian weapons and tech if it was not for oil? hell, you’d still be lighting fire with rocks…
grow a skin. a thick one. you’ll need it.
remember this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
we haven’t forgotten. thx for reminding us. see you there again.
September 20th, 2006 at 3:22 am
@Mohammed
How about either giving all those violent people the bullet or putting them in prison? (or in high cases like ben laden, having someone like the “islamic pope” exile him from the religion)
Islam(or rather the Islamic Empire) is responsible for quite some stuff, like inventing the zero, and for some reason an arabian poet found it suitable to write “we invented the zero and became zeros”. Truely though, in the last 200 years there was more technological evolution than in the last 2 thousend. What has islam contributed in THIS time? Sure you could say there are some moslems working at nasa and stuff, but that’s not an islamic organization.
And how pray was islam NOT spread by the sword? what little i remember from history lessons says islam conquered persia and the romanian empire. Of course they didn’t tell anybody to embrace islam or die, but you don’t really need to do that when you have conquered their country and made them pay some extra tax for not being moslems, do you?
And about being offended by the cartoon, you know what? i’m a geek and a linux user, but i do have a normal social life and all. There was a cartoon about linux users being super villains, there are millions of cartoons about geeks not getting laied or some stuff. guess what? do i start to explain to the owners how good geeks are? how much of today’s technology depends on them? that without linux the internet would be chaos since it runs about 70% of the servers? nope, if the cartoon is funny i laugh, if not then NEXT, it is as simple as that.
September 20th, 2006 at 7:02 am
It’s a damn cartoon!
If you give such importence to a caroon then your faith isn’t strong enough.
September 20th, 2006 at 8:37 am
[...] Habe bei Religios Freaks (lohnt sich eh, den Feed der Seite mal zu verfolgen, oftmals witzig und meiner Meinung entsprechend) ein witziges Cartoon gefunden, was genau wiedergibt, was ich auch denke: [...]
September 20th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
erm…auf english bitte???
“Islam freed the world from slavery, and Islam is the reason for all the technlogy and the advances in this world, when the west in dark ages.
World changes, Muslims was the dominant power, and now USA is the dominant power, but nothing last for ever, only god never change, one day we will be stronger than we are now.”
Ahh yes, just what we need, more US vs THEM altitude. Seriously though, lighten up. I’m an atheist, and i’ve seen quite a few pro-god and anti atheist cartoons. Not once have i felt the need to go and threathen the pope, or burn a church to the ground. Neither am I urged to go online and provlaim that i’m a lot better then they are.
Must we truly be so shortsighted that we can’t even understand eachothers humor? Really people, all the christians i know thought These (http://religiousfreaks.com/university-of-virginia-cavalier-daily-cartoons/) were really funny. I haven’t heard a single muslim who said “Hehe, that’s a good one” Is that because you ALL think the infidels who did this whould be punished?
Every single time i start to regain a little faith
(no pun intended) in humanity, people like mohamed and boris show that they still excist.
thank god/allah/the flying spaghetti monster there are still normal intelligent people with REASON.
September 20th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
“if the cartoon is funny i laugh, if not then NEXT, it is as simple as that.”
QFT
September 20th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
Man, you can make fun of me if you want, I don’t care, you can image me in way you want, I don’t care, I would even help you to make fun of me. But when it comes to someone you didn’t even read about him, why you image that he is violent. He wasn’t violent, he didn’t torture his prisoners.
Please read about him first and know who are you talking about.
I know the technolgy now is way better than 2000 year ago, you have to look at where was the west at this time, they were sub zero.
If you look at the history, nothing last for ever, you can see that China is going to be ahead of USA in 20 years, and they will be ahead, that’s how things work, only god doesn’t change.
September 20th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
“If you look at the history, nothing last for ever…only god doesn’t change.”
Someone can’t make up their mind.
September 21st, 2006 at 6:44 am
@Mohammed
Can you please stop being this passive agressive? I read the whole thread, i see no one making fun of anybody. Everybody is speaking out their mind and explaining their views, how about contributing a bit?
“He wasn’t violent, he didn’t torture his prisoners.
Please read about him first and know who are you talking about.”
He wasn’t. point taken, i read my share of Mohammed’s life since i was born in a moslem family and the truth is: It doesn’t matter if mohammed was violent or not. Fact is, moslems today are causing a lot of violence and are proud of it. THAT’S what all this is about!
“I know the technolgy now is way better than 2000 year ago, you have to look at where was the west at this time, they were sub zero.”
You know something? on dinner i’ll lift a toast for Ibin Sina and Ibin Khaldoon and all the other islamic scientists if this makes you feel better! Yes they were great men, maybe the greatest ever, but the problem is they didn’t live during the last 300 years and except for oil the islamic world contributes nothing to the world except violence. As an arabic proverb goes “It is not the man who says i’m the son of …., the man says I am”
September 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
Agony is dead right mohammed you sad man, wake up out of your trance you zombie,
The cartoons are aimed at the violent aggressive moslems, not the mohammed your prophet. Unless are you secretly a double agent pretending to be moderate but really a extremrist. otherwise why are you offended like you said earlier!!!!
September 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pm
You both may be right, put Muslims in the cartoon, don’t put Mohamed, he wasn’t the same like today’s Muslims, he has nothing to do with the vilonce.
By the way what happened to Lebanon, wasn’t violent, killing innocent people wasn’t violent, no body commented about what they did, or even made fun of them, in the contrary all USA supported them, look what’s going on Iraq, torture prisoner and raping women and secret prisons.
Tell what Muslims should do about that, shut their mouth,get slapped on both cheeks.
I don’t take any body side, I’m just Muslim and I like my religion and I will defend it no matter what, I don’t kill or I don’t stop somebody from saying any thing, I didn’t even offend any body verbally, I’m just arguing, and to be honest I don’t care if you think I’m moderateor extremest, I’m who I’m, I’m proud Muslim that thank his god for being Muslim.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:19 am
Hello?! i live in israel, you can be damn sure that people here were outraged at the war at israel(jews, moslems and christians alike) there were almost daily protests in most parts of the country.
Iraq war had similar protests IIRC.
What Muslims should do about it? i can think of some things:
1. Be productive(use your oil, don’t sell it)
2. Don’t be outraged at every simple cartoon out there is(anybody saw southpark lately? they had not one but two episodes about it.) Find them funny? Laugh. don’t find it funny? who gives a bloody damn?
4. Maybe, just maybe, embrace democracy like they did in the time directly after Mohammed? I’m getting sick of arabian news telling me “and his grace the high king bla bla bla shook hands with (someone)” because pretty much all they say!
How about Japan? AFAIK they got no army and no force to speak of. We still hear jokes about how small their penises are, but do they give a damn? Fact is, their technology is great and i respect them a lot for providing such high quality products(okay, sony made some crappy marketing decisions, but the technology itself is great)
“I will defend it no matter what, I don’t kill or I don’t stop somebody from saying any thing”
When it is THREATENED, you are very welcome to defend it, in fact, i’ll help you with that. But you gotta learn the difference between a harmless joke and a threat(and even the pope’s quote could have been WAY more easily nutralized in talkshows than with burning and killing)
“I didn’t even offend any body verbally, I’m just arguing”
No you didn’t, but according to my(and many others’) commmon sense, no cartoon is worth even a protest, not to mention a holy war. People might get a little bit nerved when someone doesn’t follow common sense(hence the quote “common sense is not so common”)
“and to be honest I don’t care if you think I’m moderateor extremest”
here you are dead wrong Mohammed, you’re supposed to be showing people that islam is a good religion and you know very well that this won’t do if you let people think you’re an extremist. it is YOUR(and your fellow moslems’) charge to show the world islam as it is. going around saying “i don’t care” doesn’t really help. Don’t come whining about some cartoon when you people fail to show people the good sides of you(and there will always be bad moslems who will show the bad sides)
3.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:24 am
@mohamed
“I’m who I’m, I’m proud Muslim that thank his god for being Muslim.”
so you say you’re pround of being muslim. what are the reasons for being proud? the simple fact you were born a muslim? i am not flaming, just curious.
September 22nd, 2006 at 6:05 pm
First you mentioned Japan, you made fun of Japnees. Ok make fun of Muslims not the peophet, I just mentioned Muslims doing a lot of things i wrong way, our prophet was mercifull person on the whole earth, he didn’t do our mistakes.
Yeah I born as Muslim, but I thought about Islam and I thought if it’s the real reigion or not, and I dobuted every bit of it, but every time Islam made sense than any other beleif.
When I said thank god, it was becasue I born Muslim, I think I’m lucky to born as Muslim.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:56 am
Lucky or unlucky, depends on how you look at it. IIRC people who are born into other religions and convert are more highly respected in god’s view.
Anyway, i wrote you a very long reply up there and the only think you got to say is i made fun of japanese people? are you chosing not to comment on the other stuff because i’m right or because you’re ignorant? (yes i do get offended when people ignore all the important things i say and focus on an example i gave!)
I don’t know what mistakes your prophet made, but i truely don’t care. Mohammed did NOT make you or any other moslem his personal lawyer(or as arabian rulers refer to themself “god’s chosen ruler in his land”). Fact is Mohammed forgave way worse things and he didn’t sit there at night crying or burning flags. Fact is, today’s moslems make a fuzz of it and sometimes it’s just worth drawing a cartoon to see the reaction that will be there!
Really now, who offends you more? An infidel pope saying islam is bad(HE’S INFIDEL WHAT DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY?!) or people like Bin Laden and Taliban hijacking your religion and making it look like terrorism?
Oh, and i’m still waiting for you to comment on the rest of my previous post(and if you give me that “you’re infidel, i will not argue with you” like they do in most arabian forums i WILL be offended)
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:06 am
It is obvious that Mr. Mohamed of this thread has an image of Mohammed in his mind. Some kind of “mental picture” of what he looks like because how can he compare the cartoons drawn without those images? How can he say those cartoons represent Mohammed if it doesn’t match what he thinks Mohammed looks like? And isn’t having an image of Mohammed wrong? Even if it is inside your mind? If people drew a stick of dynamite with a turban and a sword and called that image Mohammed, would you agree? Of course not, because it isn’t even an image of a man. What if the West drew a “happy face” and called that Mohammed? Would that be insulting? It wouldn’t look like anything that matches what you have ALREADY IN YOUR MIND what Mohammed looks like. And isn’t that wrong for you
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:12 am
That isn’t a picture of Muhammad…it is the guy from “Raiders of the Lost Ark” who got shot by Indiana Jones.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:40 am
Kill him , Kill him - he won’t take it back
September 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 am
Agony,
I agreed on somethings you said, in other forums and here, you didn’t get my point, what’s happening now in Islam, not what Muhammed taught us, so I told you, make fun of Muslims not him.
When I went back to Egypt, I had a lot of argument with extremest and how wrong they are, becaus that’s the way they raised, there are somethings you can’t understand till you live in ME, and it was the same for me here in USA, there were some things I didn’t understand till I lived here in USA.
“Maybe, just maybe, embrace democracy like they did in the time directly after Mohammed?”
Here you said it, that’s my point, the follower after muhamed they had democracy, and they saw and they dealt with Muhammed, so if Islam about opperssion they would the first people to do it.
you talked about protest, you right but, what did the protest did, did it change any opinion, 200000 people died and still dying in Iraq, what the protesing did in Lebanon, nothing, if huzballh gave up they would kill more labeneese, but because huzbAllah defeat Israel, they stop, and what the protesting make the world do? just for god sake tell me, Israel killing Palestinane for 50 years, what the protesting did.
Usama Bin Laden, no body knows how much I hate this guy, and I will tell you why, it seems to me that Usama is an American agent, look what is he doing when Bush in trouble, he shows on tv and threaten Americans and sure enough American scare stupid guy like him, I don’t what scary about Usama Bin Laden, he is a puppet, he was an American agent and he still, it doesn’t make sense that they can’t arrest him, they want him free.
and to be honest I don’t care if you think I’m moderateor extremest
I’m not extremest, but if people saw me as extremest because I defended Islam, how am I going to change their opinion.
It is obvious that Mr. Mohamed of this thread has an image of Mohammed in his mind.
I don’t have an image in my mind, and I never seen him, all I know that he is the best human-being came to the huminity, why I’m defendig him or I’m not his lawyer, all the Muslims his lawyers, he deserve it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 11:05 am
certainly a lot of bollocks being written here. Try NO religion man (Mohammed) it’ll clear of what’s left in your head of all that pious junk that seems to dictate your life. We are now living in the 21st. century, who wants war? who wants religion? who wants the sort of crap that people like yourself propogate? I’m sure the world WOULD be a better place if we could rid it of all this religious trash. Even Bush claims to be religious, see what he’s done to our planet.
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Religion is the issue, it is the problem , the world will be more beautiful and peaceful if there aren’t religions , people can’t understand that.
religion makes the extremests , it creates them , as long as there is religion there will be extremests and will be violence for sure.
my friend and brother mohamed, someday will come , there will be less religious people , less making fun of religions , less protesters , less violence, more peace , better economics , better life .
this day will come after changing the educational curriculum in schools, someday people will judge you on your education , your relations with people , your help to people , not judging you according to your religion .
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:22 pm
Democracy helps to reduce religious people because it gives the people the oppurtunity to choose, but it don’t erase them , when there is no democracy people seek for a silution to their opression and mostly they choose religion because there willn’t be other product to subscribe to , time goes , we will see a lot of religious people attack other religions and the reason of that both think they have the best religion, someday they will be shocked to find that there is no God when someone finds the proof .
September 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pm
God if you there , If you don’t want to save the world just pretend doing it.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Actually, all religion does for violence and gives it the coherence needed for massive attacks and wars.
Violent peoples always existed, before video games and horror movies and rock music… even before religions. All a psycho needs is a reason tell himself he is not ‘that’ crazy. Any reasons.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:36 am
@Mohammed
Well i live in the ME, so you can guess i know what you’re talking about. unlike you though, i’ve abandoned religion.
About our protests, did they change anything? i don’t know. Did they make things worse? definitly not, unlike things moslems now a days do.
Show me one cartoon that in one way or another can ONLY be thought of as Mohammed the prophet and not some other moslem from our time? i looked at them quite often, and i didn’t see a cartoon which is explicitly mohammed. hey maybe the cartoons were drawn for you? your name is mohammed too!
The talk about Mohammed is fuled only by the fact that today’s moslems are violent, get rid of this violence and i assure you, talk about mohammed being violent will soon disappear!
When a few american soldiers did shit in Afganistan, who was to blame? surely not the soldiers, but the entire american people as well as their leader. The only leader the islamic world has is Mohammed, so excuse the people for making a common generalization “if the children are bad, i’m sure their father didn’t bring them up the right way”
On the other hand, i recall that the islamic empire was created through conquest. well, if the USA now conquers Canada or South America, would you call that rightful conquest to bring their ideals(not a religion in this case) to those people? let’s ignore for a minute that Canada and the USA have a good deal of things in common already.
How about israel? if they start expanding like the islamic empire did, would you call it crimes against humanity? wouldn’t you call it occupation? even if they dealed with the occupied countries 100% justly.
About Usama Bin Laden being an american agent, it’s pretty much proven, but i still feel like breaking someones nose when they say that what he did is RIGHT(and i’m talking about shekhs here, very religious people!) it doesn’t matter if he is or is not, what matters is if the Moslem people as a whole aid him or refuse him, and believe me what i see is that most moslem consider him their savior in some way!
What is happening in Iraq and Lebanon is a purely POLITIC matter. religion has NOTHING to do with it. Get yourself some political strength, if you believe that the iran is right to own nuclear power, how about other arabian countries supporting them with more than only words? iran is the ONLY country i see that’s standing up to the usa with reason and not with empty words. if they are right or wrong, i believe this cannot even be decided upon since great power brings along great corruption. their motives might be pure now but could change with their next king/president/prince/whatever.
September 24th, 2006 at 11:51 am
@Agony,
Ok, Islam conqure the whole world, I agree with you, that what happened, but look what was going on at this time, two empires slaved all the people including the Christians, there were no justice on the earth, that’s why the conqured the other countries, they made live in peace, not like the American conqure which based on greed, Omr ibn Elkhateb was the Kalif of the Muslims world which was so big, he could have all the tresures he can get, but he didn’t do, he was wearing batched cloth, he was eating the same food like the wholw Muslims. The conquest of Islam based on freeing people not on the greed, not about trying about smart and cluster bombs and killing civilian.
You can make fun of sheiks and Usama Bin Laden, not Muhammed. His massage was peace, not oil and greed.
You seem like you have some background on the ME. and you better know that a lot of thinds happened in ME not done according to Islam, it’s culture thing. What happen in Mylsia was culture thing not a religion thing.
It’s social matter, when group of people get attacked they try to defend them self, and if we feel that the protest will do better, we would take that path, but for sorry it didn’t work.
So what i’m asking you here and I want you to be objective, what can we do for Muslims to protect them self from the USA greed.
I know you will say democracy, I will tell you something that democracy is the really threat to the freedom to the ME people, Extremest is going to take over because every body in ME now feel that all the ME leaders are loyal to USA, and they don’t trust them, so they will take the other path which Islamist. It’s freaking Dilemma in the ME and I think that’s what the USA wants.
Thank you Agony.
September 25th, 2006 at 1:32 am
let’s see, i’ll quote the Quran in arabic and give an english translation for the guys here as best as i can:
ÙÙŽØ¥Ùذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهÙر٠الْØÙرÙÙ…Ù ÙَاقْتÙÙ„Ùواْ الْمÙشْرÙÙƒÙينَ Øَيْث٠وَجَدتّÙÙ…ÙوهÙمْ ÙˆÙŽØ®ÙØ°ÙوهÙمْ وَاØْصÙرÙوهÙمْ وَاقْعÙدÙواْ Ù„ÙŽÙ‡Ùمْ ÙƒÙلَّ مَرْصَد٠ÙÙŽØ¥ÙÙ† تَابÙواْ وَأَقَامÙواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوÙاْ الزَّكَاةَ ÙَخَلّÙواْ سَبÙيلَهÙمْ Ø¥Ùنَّ اللّهَ غَÙÙورٌ رَّØÙيمٌ
And when the holy months are gone by kill the infidels wherever you find them and take them and surround them and await(be ready for?) them in every place but if they repent and do the prayers and the zakah(a kind of tax on moslems) then let them be, god is forgiving and merciful
in another part:
قَاتÙÙ„Ùواْ الَّذÙينَ لاَ ÙŠÙؤْمÙÙ†Ùونَ بÙاللّه٠وَلاَ بÙالْيَوْم٠الآخÙر٠وَلاَ ÙŠÙØَرّÙÙ…Ùونَ مَا Øَرَّمَ اللّه٠وَرَسÙولÙه٠وَلاَ يَدÙينÙونَ دÙينَ الْØَقّ٠مÙÙ†ÙŽ الَّذÙينَ Ø£ÙوتÙواْ الْكÙتَابَ Øَتَّى ÙŠÙعْطÙواْ الْجÙزْيَةَ عَن يَد٠وَهÙمْ صَاغÙرÙونَ
Fight those who do not believe in god and the justice day and do not abide at what god and his prophet have forbidden and do not follow the true religion of those who were given the book(reference to christians and jews, god gave them books) until they give the Jeziah while they are content.
note: my arabic isn’t the best, and the quran’s language is very hard(compare normal english and sahkespeer, only this is worse)
Somehow i feel threatened while reading those two Ayahs…. so much for the true islam, without the cultural issues
And democracy IS a good part of the solution you want! your “leaders” are greedy pigs who care first of all for themselves and only after that think about the country!
What can moslems do? i gave you a nice list before, here is a summary: 1. not burn building whenever something is said about islam/mohammed. 2. stop saying terrorism is a justified act of self defense. 3. start supporting each others(on the level of countries) 4. get some economy going. 5. give scientists reason to stay in your country instead of running off to the US and EU.
“ot of things happened in ME not done according to Islam”
and US/EU people should care about that because….? let’s see a simple western people’s mind:
1. Usama ben laden is a moslem
2. Palestinian suicide bombers are moslems
3. Nasr-alla is a moslem
3. Saddam hussein is a moslem
gosh there gotta be something wrong with islam if they have so much violence in less than 10 years!
spare me the talk about wether they are moslems or not, because THAT is the image people will see when they think about islam! they won’t look back 1500 years and say “wow mohammed was a great man” unless they are historians.
what the USA wants is just what any other empire wanted, even the islamic empire: world domination!
The islamic empire was good to people, but they made them pay extra taxes unless they join Islam, the islamic empire was good to people when those people didn’t refuse living in it. if the USA now occupies iraq, will the people there be content to live under USA law or would they fight fiercely? any occupation makes people struggle, let’s not forget who killed Omr ibn Elkhattab, it was a persian guy who was full of hate towards him for destroying the persian empire!
September 25th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
First of all, the two ayah above as far as I know, and I’m not deep or expert in this, but for every ayah has reason to be said, if you take the Ayah and you don’t what happened before it comes, you can explain it the way you want, Muslims has agreement with unbeleiver and Muslims respect it, but they breach it, that’s why this Ayat came down and god knows better, it’s as far as I know.
Muslim didn’t make people pay more money, the other religion didn’t have to pay Zakat, so instead they paid taxes, and they didn’t have to fight or defend their land.
I will give you one example. Omar Bin Elkatab saw old man begging for many, so he asked him why are you begging, he told him because I’m jewish and I’m old and I can’t work, so Omar appolgize and he order that elderly and the young from Christinity and Jewish get the money they need to live on, did you get the answer or not yet.
Palstenian has the right to defend them self, they have nothing to defend them self, that’s their land and it legitmate resistant, you are going to say but the kids, Israel killing a lot of kids, I was in Egypt and it was dialy and I remeber it by incident, they killed girl in her father hand, and he wasn’t threat and they have arsnal. the only sucide bombing I don’t agree on , the one in Iraq, because I think they have weapons and they don’t have to use this kind of resistant.
Actualy we think who killed Omr was Jewish, and if you remember better who tried to poison our prophet, and killed prophet Yehia and Zakria and tried to Kill Jesus( cause I don’t believe that Jesus curcified).
If society and evey culture has its black spot in history, so there is no need to accuse on culture or one religion.
I can tell a lot of west and Isreal masscara, but it’s not going to help, we don’t cry if we got tortured or killed, we try to get over it, but for our religion and prophet we will certainly defend them.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:19 am
So now the Ayahs aren’t global and only apply to a simple timeframe or condition? isn’t that the opposite of what you people say about the quran? “it is timeless wisdom that should be followed in all ages”
Also that there is a reason for an ayah to be brought from god to his prophet, you could claim there is a reason the pope said that stuff he said(perhaps he had a violent argument with a moslem last night?) so this argument REALLY doesn’t stand. if your god wanted to tell mohammed something to do now but not take as a rule he would have sent him a personal messege with Gabriel, and not a part of the quran.
I don’t know your other prophets, but if i go to some arabian country and pose as a prophet(hey you can’t really prove i’m not a prophet can you?) i will be dead before the week is over. you guys believe Mohammed was your last prophet, the jews believe Moses was, xtians believe Jesus was. where is the difference? but of course out of all those islam must be “right” for no other reason than that you believe in it.
So the Zakat isn’t something religious? it’s only a form of taxes? i wonder how you came to this conclusion, the Zakat has certain things it can be used for(feeding the poor comes to my mind) while TAXES are used to build roads, buy equipment for the army and other stuff. I have no idea how you can mix up both of them. they didn’t have to fight? that’s because the Islamic Empire while it was strong didn’t trust none moslems(i think there was also a time where they had to be arab moslems… racism) to fight in their ranks. there is a difference between not trusting someone and giving him a choice to fight or pay.
Omar was a great guy, hat off for that, i know the story and it’s nothing new. but as i see, today all countries in the world follow that sample: old people can get money without having to work(it’s called retirement) The point still stands that the islamic empire conquered the whole world, and don’t tell me that conquest didn’t help islam to spread because that much is obvious. We could now start talking that none-moslems were later not allowed to ride horses, wear certain kind of clothes and their houses had to be smaller than that of moslems, but of course you’ll say that this isn’t really islam… i think you guys have put such high values to islam that made it a dream for you, but it’s like searching for a straight line, you’ll always find a few atoms out of order that make it not straight.
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves by shoting, bombing and driving the israeli army to hell if they want, they do NOT have the right to suicide nightclubs, bars, malls, busses…etc! I have a jewish friend, he refused to serve in the army and went to jail for it, and was almost killed in a bombing like that. Do you think it’s RIGHT? he made a way better stand that most arabs/moslems/christians here, and still they tried to kill him(or let’s say they didn’t care if he died)
“If society and evey culture has its black spot in history, so there is no need to accuse on culture or one religion.”
the black spots of all major cultures are a few hundred years back if you recall(well germany is only 40, but at least they made an official war, not cowardly suicide bombing) except for arab society which has been living through this black spot for a few hundred years and still do. we’re in the 21st century, i would have expected the PEOPLE to know what’s going on and start declaring that they don’t agree with their government… oh right, arabian governemnts shot everybody who doesn’t agree with them or says a bad word about the king.
“I can tell a lot of west and Isreal masscara, but it’s not going to help, we don’t cry if we got tortured or killed, we try to get over it, but for our religion and prophet we will certainly defend them.”
get a life! your prophet is 1400 years dead. he doesn’t need to be defended. the women and children today who are abused by their husbands do. a recent study among israeli arabians shows that 66% of the girls are raped before 18, 75% of those raped by a member of the family. how about defending THOSE people before caring to defend someone who is dead?
if the people who were on the street yelling death threats to the pope and denemark put that time into hard work or education instead, don’t you think it would have been more benefiting for them and for everybody else?
Have you seen the fun made of scientolgy? it’s everywhere. did you see churches burned and nuns killed or embassys destroyed? i didn’t. a simple conclusion comes to my mind: scientologists are more peaceful than moslems, and since the only difference here is the religion, then scientology must be more peaceful than islam. (personally i think the guys who follow that religion have watched too much Star Trek)
the weak have always been there to justify the actions of the strong. grow strong mohammed and you’ll see the difference.
September 26th, 2006 at 2:36 am
we muslims, dont regard allah`s punishments:beheading,crucifying,amputation as violent acts.
beheading verses: sura:anfal(8) verse:12; sure:muhammed verse:4
crucifying and amputation: sura:maeda verse:33,38
then offend us
September 26th, 2006 at 4:25 am
@Muhammed
You are running from Agony’s point here,what USA are doing this time is for domination, Like every other empire done years ago, USA can still dominate the world while there is a lot of democratic countries , by defeting the dectatoriship regims,which makes USA stronger because it is the mother of democracy, what the islamic empire done is like what usa are doing today but they decide to dominate the world by religion connection.
democracy is the only way out of depression for arab countries , people seek for a way out of there oppression and depression and because there isn’t much oppurtunities they ask GOD to help them (because they want someone greater than there govener and because lots of them are primitive didn’t have a chance to look at the proofs that there is no GOD , everything i have a silution )
I sugest you read the articles in http://www.ladeeni.net
September 26th, 2006 at 4:25 am
@Muhammed
You are running from Agony’s point here,what USA are doing this time is for domination, Like every other empire done years ago, USA can still dominate the world while there is a lot of democratic countries , by defeting the dectatoriship regims,which makes USA stronger because it is the mother of democracy, what the islamic empire done is like what usa are doing today but they decide to dominate the world by religion connection.
democracy is the only way out of depression for arab countries , people seek for a way out of there oppression and depression and because there isn’t much oppurtunities they ask GOD to help them (because they want someone greater than there govener and because lots of them are primitive didn’t have a chance to look at the proofs that there is no GOD , everything i have a silution )
I sugest you read the articles in http://www.ladeeni.net
September 26th, 2006 at 5:55 am
Mohammed you are patient enough to continue the argument with these people. That is good, and you copy exactly from Prophen Muhammad in his argument with Meccan Kuffrs. This is how the struggle will continue, up to the end of this sad world.
I think all these is about jelousness, greed and envy. Islam is the fastest growing religion nowadays. These people want to tarnish the image of Islam. But I am telling them that they cannot do it, forever.
Let us take a little look at what a western world is bringing to arabs world. It is nothing but a bloodthirst political system. Long long before the coming of this democracy, ME people have their own way of life, their political system, religion, etc and for Gods sake they are enjoying that system of life. Unfortunately US come with this bloodthirts political system trying to impose in on ME countries, and that the negetive effects of this democracy is more more than any positive effects it have on the lives of Mideast people.
Tell me what kind of freedom can be obtain by brutal killings, bombardments, assassinations, torturings, wilful destructions, manhandlings, murderings, and all kinds of inhuman activities to the persson/people to free. By the coming of this freedom fighting, hundred of thousands of Iraqi people have been killed. What kind of freedom is this? This can never be freedom, may be free doom. A new freedom have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with more killings of innocent civilians, women and childrens with heavy bombs, armoured tanks, machine guns, destroying houses, mosques, roads, hospitals, schools. And still the freedom did not show even one percent success, and that the killing continues unstopped.
We know that this is all not for democracy or freedom. It is for oil (more especially Iraq). Western world especially America is greed/envy with what God have given to Mideast countries (crude oil). That is why they are being invaded one by one, and that precious wealth (oil) that cannot be made by modern technology is being stolen. We know that to bush and others one barrel of crude oil is better that the lives of hundred Iraqi peoples. We really know that. He does not care for the lives of Iraqis, he care much about the oil, and killings. Up to now coalition forces cannot even control the so-called green zone. Forever, even a little area in baghdad cannot be brought under the control of armed robbers (united states/united kingdom).
Again all these christian people, you forgot what happened during christian crusades. That is what pope is trying to bring to this modern society. He need another christian crusade (same during the middleage) to happen to muslims of modern time. Jewish are allowed to kill young women and young children by they united state, and still pope did not cry for that. Palestininas have nothing to do to depend themselves from that terrorism. And that the mother of democracy America is sponsoring such a terrorism on Palestinian people, we really know that. US is assisting israel with weapons to destroy muslim countries, everybody know that, and pope did not cry on that. Bush is the biggest terrorist on this earth and pope did not call him as terrorist. He killed hudreds of thousands of people everywhere in the world, nobody shout him on these bad deeds. Is he not a christian? I think he is christian, and that means that christianity is behind what is happening in Palestin, Iraq, Afghanistan, and likely to Iran.
What people should understand is that history have told us about several empires, kingdoms and dynasties that existed before. They came to the peak of their success and later fall. History will tell the future about the raise and fall of America and its allies, for sure. This is how things happen to be, and will be, no way out for american fall, we just wait to see the time for that important development so that world will live peacefully because so far america is at the peak of its power and terrorism, world will never have peace. It will be invading from one country to another, and people will not put eye and fold their arms watching such maddness. They will take necessary action against the imperialism.
September 26th, 2006 at 5:56 am
Mohammed you are patient enough to continue the argument with these people. That is good, and you copy exactly from Prophen Muhammad in his argument with Meccan Kuffrs. This is how the struggle will continue, up to the end of this sad world.
I think all these is about jelousness, greed and envy. Islam is the fastest growing religion nowadays. These people want to tarnish the image of Islam. But I am telling them that they cannot do it, forever.
Let us take a little look at what a western world is bringing to arabs world. It is nothing but a bloodthirst political system. Long long before the coming of this democracy, ME people have their own way of life, their political system, religion, etc and for Gods sake they are enjoying that system of life. Unfortunately US come with this bloodthirts political system trying to impose in on ME countries, and that the negetive effects of this democracy is more more than any positive effects it have on the lives of Mideast people.
Tell me what kind of freedom can be obtain by brutal killings, bombardments, assassinations, torturings, wilful destructions, manhandlings, murderings, and all kinds of inhuman activities to the persson/people to free. By the coming of this freedom fighting, hundred of thousands of Iraqi people have been killed. What kind of freedom is this? This can never be freedom, may be free doom. A new freedom have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with more killings of innocent civilians, women and childrens with heavy bombs, armoured tanks, machine guns, destroying houses, mosques, roads, hospitals, schools. And still the freedom did not show even one percent success, and that the killing continues unstopped.
September 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
@gaskiya
i don’t think most people will argue the real reasons for the iraq war. i just wish the western leaders would start openly saying the truth. honestly, i am not awfuly butthurt that the real reason is NOT to bring democracy to that area. the people of iraq have already demonstrated that only saddam could keep them in check. btw, the reason islam is the fastest growing religion is frankly cause most ME people breed like rats. end of story.
September 26th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
@Mohammed
Okay now you’re starteling me, KILLING people isn’t brutal? i am amazed how you can call what the USA does brutal while not considering all the people being hanged in iran a brutality
I’m still waiting for comments on all the stuff i said, are you just ignoring them or are you running out of justifications?
@Gaskiya
Bloodthirst? well, i might agree that there have been wars, but that’s way better than arabian countries(or islam) for example jordan has a law saying that if you find your wife cheating on you and you(out of rage) kill her, you’ll get less than a guy who robbed a store. bloodthrist?
What about the guys who are moslems and try to convert to other religions? they are trialled and executed IIRC. and this isn’t against islam buddy, there is a H’adeeth about it!
Oh and your dear Mohammed isn’t all that patient, he has been ignoring questions upon questions that i asked him, but never mind that… islam is right anyway right? and i’m just a stupid atheist whose opinion doesn’t matter… been there heard that. hate to say it but everytime i tried to discuss islam with the likes of you i got this argument, i’m glad there are some good places online for discussions(like the site Amjad linked to!)
And about breeding like rats, it’s true! when was the last time you saw a place where it’s normal to marry 14 years old girls? Exactly! the last time you visited my vllage(and moslems can’t even say it’s wrong since Mohammed the perfect man did it too! he married her at 9 and bedded her at 14)
September 26th, 2006 at 7:39 pm
How could you know that I don’t consider it brutal what happens in Iran, did you read that I defended the Irani regime, I don’t even like the way they act.
But in the oppoist, the same happenes with USA, the only difference that they kill Muslims.
You will never hurt the Islam, no matter what.
I’m sorry if you think that I ignored your question or comment, I have a lot of comments to answer, and I think if I answered every comments, I will stay home and not work and I can not afford that.
gaskiya,
I’m patient with this people, and I will remind you for how many years our prophet was patient about the athiest, we have to be patient and answer this people, to let them hear the other side of the story, most of this people don’t know any thing about Islam, and we have to correct the image Islam to these people, and if they didn’t get convinced, I will be witness in the judgment day at them, that I told them and they didn’t listen, and I will get good deeds trying to defend my reiligion.
Agony,
you know I have a lot of questions, please be patient, I just have two hand to type with and one brain to think with.
September 27th, 2006 at 12:48 am
@Mohammed, okay, i have posted the questions with the long answers on the Just-Ask topic, i hope you will be able to answer them soon.
So iran isnt okay? what about the 100 leashes isn’t that torture? islam specificly says that this is the punishment for something(adultary? i’m not sure)
There is also stoning, while i think beheading was a MUCH more merciful way to kill someone, don’t you think it is brutal to stone someone to death when you could finish it all with a quick strike?
I will never hurt islam except in words and thought, but it’s paying off, i have a few former moslems and christians converted. Didn’t your prophet say that “those who leave the right path after they were on it” have to be killed? Especially if they are converting others(yes, i was born moslem too.)
If you see it written in the Quran that you have to do something(for example the rules of divorce) will you ask about the reason those Ayahs were written? No, you will follow the rule, just as you don’t really need to know why a law was set, that’s up to Judges to know. From this logic i still think you ought to tell me how islam will be peaceful while it contains the two Ayahs i mentioned. could you tell me why one should check the reason for those and not other Ayahs?
September 28th, 2006 at 6:13 am
Thank you all for being patient :D as Gaskiya said
I’m leaving , I can’t argue with you people any more cause my patience is over , I don’t care for religions like I don’t care if south africa beat zimbabwe in basketball game.
bye bye
September 28th, 2006 at 6:38 am
Well fuck you Amjad Nashashibi…because south africa will never ever beat zimbabwe in a basketball game! We all know and believe with absolute faith that the zimbabwe team is a lot better than any other african teams. So take your heretical ideas and stuff it up your poop shoot.
September 29th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
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September 29th, 2006 at 3:05 pm
@ Mohammed
Sorry i think i forgot to answer your question in the last post:
“How could you know that I don’t consider it brutal what happens in Iran?”
Well, no. it just came to me as a conclusion:
1. You don’t think islam is violent
2. Iran applies Islamic rule on criminals(killing people for cheating in marrige, 100 leashes…)
3. Conclusion from 1 and 2: you think that the religious sentences Iran applies aren’t brutal/violent.
Sorry for writing it out so late, but i am only human and make mistakes sometimes
September 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
I don’t think Islam is violent, Killing people cheating in marriage is not brutal, it’s the same rule for you and your wife, and the other, so it protects you from getting hurt as it protects the other from getting hurt.
other wise you don’t mind cheat on your wife, and she could to cheat on, and good luck.
The violent I’m talking about, the oppression in Iran and all the ME countries, the other thing that in Iran they have some ritual doesn’t have to do with Islam, like beating thier back with sharp tools, that’s not from Islam.
September 30th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
Okay remind me again: why isn’t STONING violent when the headsman was an available option?
So, supposing my wife cheats on me, she deserves death for that?
or suppose people like me who like trying out everyting had sex before getting married, is a hundred leaches a just thing for that?
for Mohammed’s sake, it’s none of your’s, or the Imam’s or the Shekh’s business what i like to do in my bedroom!
Oh, and again how is god’s view on people who are born gay? God must truely be a bitch if he make people get born gay and then burns them for it…
March 18th, 2007 at 9:22 am
“He wasn’t violent, he didn’t torture his prisoners.
Please read about him first and know who are you talking about.â€
One prisoner Kinana was tortured. He was the keeper of the treasure in the stronghold Khaibar, which Muhammed had attacked.
Muhammed wanted him to tell where it was hidden, so he ordered the prisoner to be tortured.
They made a bonfire on his chest but he didn’t say a word. Muhammed the merciful finally ordered his head cut off when he was almost dead.
Muhammed took Kinanas wife as a slave. End of history lesson. I’ll give you a new one every time you say your prophet was a nice guy.
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June 10th, 2007 at 8:53 am
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June 11th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
uhh, go ahead?
We don’t fly into a homicidal rage when someone makes an observation. Note that i’m not religious at all.
ps. I thought this one was dead and buried….
June 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
You just send your jsts kill some thousands people, or may be like Israel killing childern with tanks, you don’t have to committe sucide, you have all the weapons that can extinct people.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
@mohamed
just think about the extent of restraint that israel has been practicing. if they were to unleash their full military capability in an offensive fashion things would look quite different. so far, most (not all) military actions taken by israel are really self-defense.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
They tried to leash their power against Lebanon, but they couldn’t do any thing.
Weapons doesn’t defeat people’s will, you still don’t get it.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
That is quite amusing, I really do find it hilarious.
If Lebanon was the pinnacle of Israels military might then it begs to question how the Palestinians have not won?
June 13th, 2007 at 3:13 am
@mohamed
this is my understanding of the lebanon situation: since the iraq war intervention conflicts have become somewhat unpopular. a group of terrorists poked israel to get into lebanon so they can benefit from this current attitude in popular media. mind you, that still does not change the fact that israel was defending itself. what they *could* have done is terrifying compared to what they actually did in lebanon. instead they retreated and left a population now even more friendly with the terrorists.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
I don’t think Huzb Allah are terrorist, they freed south Lebanon, since the UN couldn’t do it for Lebaneese.
Huzb Allah did stupid stuff, but you don’t hear that they are killing people everday, or it’s their regular activity.
That what the Media and the USA Gov wants you to believe, who ever wants to free his country is a terrorise as long as he against the American policy.
Israel went to war to get the two kiddnaped soldiers, did they get them yet? No, so I think the peaceful talking was better from begining.
Israel killed two young kids last week, did you hear any thing about it? No, was it self defense? No, what would these two kids do for Israel? nothing.
Boris you don’t even read and don’t even know any thing about ME. All you know that the Turk invaded you country 500 years ago, and you still crying about it, and that’s why you hate Muslims.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am
“Israel killed two young kids last week, did you hear any thing about it? No, was it self defense? No, what would these two kids do for Israel? nothing.”
If i am not greatly mistaken Hizb Allah killed two arabian kids from nazareth as well. Now answer the question for yourself: what would these two kids do for Hizb Allah? nothing.
Was the better way from the begining? perhaps, but then again i guess that is true for the suicide bombers from palestine and kidnappers from hizb allah as well, I don’t see you telling them that.
And please, bloody please tell me how on earth it was hizb allah who got israel out of Lebanon and not the UN. From my understanding of the situation Israel was indeed disappointed that it’s trained army and all didn’t get a perfect score in lebanon, but nowhere do i see them saying they “failed” in lebanon or any indication of it. How many Israelis died during the war? IIRC less than 200, how many Lebanese? over 1000. Yes Sherlock it is obvious that hizb allah was the victor in this.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:44 am
@mohamed
has it ever occurred to you that i don’t like muslims simply because of the amount of bad things that originate from the muslim community? regardless of whether they are connected to the history of my country or not? not to mention the fact that muslims are on average the most religious of any religious community? i do have a very dawkins-esque view of religion, rightfully so…
June 14th, 2007 at 4:34 am
So, if a group funded by foreign parties challenges the legal government of a sovereign country using violence and defying U.N. arms embargo instead of political process, they are not terrorists?
They do not seem to fit the bill of a peace activist either.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Huzb Allah got created because UN didn’t do any thing to free south Lebanon, so that’s why Huzb Allah created, the reason that Isreal didn’t respect the international society, so people has to free thier land.
Israel is funded by USA, and Israel breach every international agreement, so Isreal is terrorist based on your analysis.
Every time, there is a movement to free a land against occupier the call them terrorist, if you red history, the Italins called Omar Bin Elmokhtar(Lebya fighter against Italy) a terrorist, and few years ago Antony Quin did a movie about him as a hero.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Hmmm… yeah depends on definition of occupier certainly(for example iraq: was the USA the terrorist or the iraqies who try to get the USA out of Iraq?)
to say it plainly, I cannot comment about the last time israel occupied south iraq, I would need to do my history homework first and after a bunch of c++ homework history just stinks(especially at 2AM)
just a quicky: do you agree with Jagannath? you didn’t seem to be trying to contradict him, and he was quite logical about it.
June 15th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
I didn’ agree with him, he put definition for who should called the terrorist, and if you look at his definition, this definition apply on Israel too.
Israel funded by USA military and financialy( foreign country), and they breach every UN agreement.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:18 am
Sure, but do Hizb Allah and other fundamental groups count as terrorists too?
June 16th, 2007 at 5:21 am
@agony
homework sucks. ~15 years of c++ experience. if you need help let me know. sorry to change the topic…
June 16th, 2007 at 7:13 am
@boris,
Nah, I’m actually the best in my class with C/C++, but still those homeworks ARE annoyingly long, especially if you don’t have the source code for some of the object files(which for some reason segfault) that are barely documented.
One thing I do need help with though is understanding open source projects enough to be able to contribute to them… I’ve tried a couple of times, but never worked for me :-(
June 16th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Group is hardly a country but what ever rocks your boat. It is quite peculiar to read some of the comments as they tend to go along set tracks and with added spins that are if not boring then all too predictable.
Like this.
“A man (Israel) took (Stole) a glass of water (Land) from the table (Palestinians) and drank it (With USA weaponry).”
But a more defined version of the definition without the mistake of equating a group with a country would be something like this
“Group within a sovereign country, funded by foreign parties challenges the legal government of afore mentioned sovereign country using violence and defying U.N. arms embargo instead of political process, they are not terrorists?”
So, if that is not good enough for you , then define terrorists.
June 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Country is a group, you are contrdicting your self.
What is the sovereign country did when they were occupied, they cried to the UN, and the UN is controled by the US, issuing vito after another for Israel.
As I told Omar Bin Elmokhtar was a terrorist for the Itlian, now he is hero even for the Itlian them self.
I think USA at one point called the red indian terrorist :).
Just one question, based on you definition, do you think Isaral are terrorist, it’s still the same principle, what if Syria supported Lebanon, wouldn’t Syria be a terrorist!!!!!!!!
June 16th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
***If the Pope is so concerned about violence, why hasn’t he spoken up about the Congo, where 4 million have died and it is Christians killing Christians?
Why hasn’t he spoken up about the United States being the number one seller of weapons to Africa, often selling weapons to both sides of a conflict?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Once more, your definition of a terrorist is?
I do not consider Israel a terrorist, I do not consider it humane nor rational either but that goes with all the people killing each other on and over Israel. Rationality has little chance of survival amidst people seeking revenge.
So if one country, Syria supports another, Lebanon, then it is terrorism?
By supporting a group which has no interest in following the political system of a country, then yes, the supporter is aiding terrorists.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
I consider Israel terrorist by you criteria, it doesn’t make difference if they are group or country, it’s typical double standered.
So what if Syria or Egypt support Hamas with weapon, they are elected by the Palestanin people, what’s your oponion?
Sorry if I’m trying to understand word terrorist mean, it seems to me it’s stretch word, every one can use it the way he want, so I would like you know your version.
June 16th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
I would like to know your version and I have asked for your definition but you seem intend on turning this into a repeat of the cartoon-thread by not answering questions but that does not surprise me.
but, if one uses country and group interchangeably you claim that every country is a terrorist. No country can be considered non-terrorist as they all have been supporting various groups and other countries.
Hamas is in power and took arms and started to attack the Fatah which was not in power, that sounds quite dictatorial and abuse of power if one thinks it only on political level but on human level that is just murdering those you disagree with you. You disagree with this?
June 17th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Terrorism : The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Unlawfull : Against civilians or against military without proper and official declaration of war.
Hezbollah : Their goal is to “the eradication of what it viewed as Western colonialism in Lebanon, bringing to justice of those who committed atrocities during the war”
At your service.
June 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
I will tell you my version, what happened from Usamma Bin Laden is terrorism, what happen from USA to Iraq is terrorism, and also what happen from Israel to Lebanon is terrorism, what happens everyday in Palestine from Israel everyday is terrorism.
Alcari,
So under your defintion what happens from country to another country without UN approval is not terrorism!!!!!!!!!
At your service.:)
June 17th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
What about the rockets fired at Israel? I ask just for sake of completeness.
June 17th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Do you think they fired it for nothing, because Israel is an angel doesn’t kill childern by their tanks, and destroy Palestine homes.
These rockets might even hit mountains or areas where nobody lives, but Israel tanks know what they are hitting.
June 17th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
@mohamed
so what if they dont hit anything? what exactly would you have done if you were president of israel? and don’t say youo’d give the land back to the “palestinians” cause that would be a lie. israel defended itself, with a high degree of restraint and civility. could have been MUCH worse. i just hope they finally destroy hamas once and for all…
June 17th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
rstraint and civility, when they hit Birut, that was civility, to your knowledge most of the people in Beirut is christians, and Huzb Allah live in south Lebanon, so why the destroyed Beirut, may be you are smarter than me.
I don’t agree with hitting people with rockets, but look at the state, in 2006 550 palestinan died and most of the civilian and childern, on the other side only 26 Israli died.
June 17th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
What do you expect, Mohamed? Your two peoples are at war with each other.
What you don’t seem to understand because your head is so far up your own ass with hatred of the Jews is that the whole conflict is a political and economic matter, not a religious one.
But you just go ahead with your ignorant religious bigotry. That’s how people rule you and your countrymen… because you’re so stuck focusing on the wrong issues that you will never be able figure out what to do to fix the situation.
You’re just like any other religious guy in the end.
June 17th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
What I mean to say is, you’re the same as the average Israeli Jew. : ignorant of the real motives behind the conflict and full of hate and resentment towards the wrong people.
June 17th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
I didn’t mention any thing about religion, I was talking about mostly politics, and how somebody like you see thing in a different way when it comes to certain religion, you see it’s wrong when Muslims do vilonece, but it’s ok and justified when somebody else commit the violence.
I don’t hate Jews, I just hate what they are doing, and you if you see honest media, you will know what do I mean, when you see a child torn apart, you then will know what I mean, when you a father trying to protect his daughter from a soldiers bullets, and he is no threat and yet they killed the girl, you will know what does it mean, imagine for once and god forbid that to happen to you or anybody else, that this girl is your daughter and they killing her for no reason, then you will know what I mean.
It has nothing to do with religion, I felt bad for the people who was falling for the trade center, and still I don’t like to watch it, and I can’t imagine to be them, I hate the people who done it, and it doesn’t matter even if they are Muslims or not, I just hate war and vilonece, yet I agree to fight for you right.
June 17th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
@mohamed
506 palestinians in 2006… how many of those were killed by other palestinians, and how many by the IDF?
June 17th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
I hate violence too, Mohamed. I’m glad we agree on that part.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:55 am
by the name of god the most mercifull,
peace on u my brothers and sisters in islam . iam glad that there is a reasonable man ( mohammad )is arguing with u people but my brother mohammad dont bother ur self in arguing with them they will not understand what u and me feel iam a islamic palastenian i live in lebanon and i thank god that iam still living even without my legs . i wanyt to tell u somthing u haters and ignorers what would u feel when u r playing soccer ( me when i was in palestine ) whit ur fellows and then suddenly with out any warnning an f-16 fighter flied over ur head and throw a bomb towards u
and then u wake to found ur self in the hospital with no legs and ur brother is dead and ur other friends too and u r lost with no parents. so what are ur comments on that . i didnt held any weaponry , just a soccer ball which maybe consider by israel as a nuke bomb. so jues why r u doing this to us is it because what hitler did to u , u r now being worser than hitler.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Hello bilal,
My comment? Damn, that sucks (understatement of the year). I’d be pissed-off, even hateful. I would, however, not advocate violence in response. I would work on overcoming my hatred and pursuing non-violent protests.
I’m glad to see that you did not call for a violent reprisal but instead opted for pouring your anger into talking about it. I do think that your anger is a bit misdirected. No one on this blog bombed you, presumably, the Israeli government did. Nor would anyone on this blog wish such injury and death on innocent soccer players.
What happened to you is tragic. Please try not to take it out on people who have nothing to do with the tragedy.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Sidfaiuw,
I just have one question to you, don’t you think that palestanian tried to protest peacefuly, they are trying to work it in UN for 50+ years, what else could they do.
They tried everything you can even imagine, nothing works, even when Israeli leader signed an peace agreement, the Jews killed him and killed the peace agreement with him.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:32 am
And when palestinians were given the freedom to elect their own government, Hamas’(the party they elected) first thing on the plan was “not to acknowledge the existance of israel.” Cheers, yeah they are trying to work peacefully.
I totally hate what happened to Bilal, but you shouldn’t try and make it look all one sided, Mohammed.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:15 am
Again, if Israel want to exist, they should take California from USA, and live there peacefuly, and leave the land for their people.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:27 am
Agony, by the way I don’t acknowledge Israel and I will never acknolede them, Plastenians are not the red indians, they will never go away, the right will go back to them. In every time a country occupide another country, they always label people as terrorist, but in the truth they are not, they are fighting for their freedom.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
you might as well acknowledge the sun doesn’t exist. the sooner the palestinians wise up and play nicely with israel, the sooner they will start living like civilized people and not like bums.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
LOL.
Sorry Boris I can’t take you seriously sometimes.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
you take me seriously? you denied well established scientific and historic FACTS time after time, and shown a generally poor understanding of science. you were the first to defend pedophilia. you invent things that contradict things you said in the past. i really don’t give a damn if you take me seriously or not.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
I’m sorry I can’t help it, you make me laugh sometimes.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:57 am
Hello Mohamed,
I simply do not know. I don’t know much about the early years of occupied Palestine. It’s a topic of interest to me, but as of now, I have no idea how Israel formed. That is why I rarely comment on the topic.
My opinion is coexistence is the only possible outcome of the conflict. Regardless of the immoral actions of either side in the past, some form of coexistence is the only way forward. To deny that Israel does not have a right to exist is useless rhetoric. For better or worse, it does exist and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. No amount of denial will change that. I think that accepting that fact is crucial to lasting peace.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:30 am
The question of who’s right it is to exist (Israel or Palestine) is the problem here. Both Israelis and Palestinians now have roots in that place. Both groups have been there long enough to have family ties rooted in the area. To simply deny one group over the other is no longer a viable option. Obviously neither group wants to be outed. Whether there can be peace depends on those who refuse to accept the other (on both sides), and whether they can at least be controlled.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Snurp and Sid,
I’m sorry to tell it’s not going to happen, I’m honest with you, the Quran has prophecy about the Jews and they know about it, and yet they are doing it.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:07 am
only true god has the anser to peace.
We can try to resolve the problem, but it seems to only make it worse doesn’t it
hes not hard to find
July 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
ah yes, preaching and praying.
The religious responce to any real-world problem.
Incidently, it’s also the least effective one.
September 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
i can’t believe some people in this blog care so much about a cartoon, it isn’t saying that every muslim is like this or degrading your religion, its showing how the extremist muslims are saying
October 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Mr. mohammad, if you think islam is the greatest religion, i have just two simple questions from you, would you mind answering me please?
1. what do you think about what is written in koran about beating women, in the “light” sura, you, as a muslim man, how do you see women, in a way islam says, less than men, those whose rights are half of men, those who must be supressed, tell me why men can have four wives at the same time, tell me why in allah’s speech you can find sentences about women’s torture, why in islamic values men can have control on women??
2. muslims who live in the western world, why when someone talks to them they pretend they are being tortured there while there are lots of countries like saudi arabia, pakistan, iran and others that they can go there and live with perfect islamic rules??
i want good answers, although if you can.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:12 am
I AM EXTREMELY OFFENDED BY THIS FOOLISH CARTOON.ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE,BROTHERHOOD AND LOVE.IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE HOW THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF MUSLIMS IS BEING DEPICTED.WE THE MUSLIMS HAVE A STRONG BELIEF IN NON-VIOLENCE.IT IS THE ACTIONS OF A HANDFULL OF PEOPLE WHICH BRINGS BAD NAME TO OUR RELIGION.
P E A C E…..
October 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Hello Suhail,
No one has an innate right to not be offended. I’m offended by religious people all the time. But you are right, a minority is tainting the reputation of the majority. I’m glad you have the guts to come out and tell these extremists that they are wrong.
P.S. The Caps Lock key is located just to the left of your standard Qwerty keyboard.
November 11th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
al salamo 3alaykom
sorry i have no time to comment
so i will just say…………fuck islam
November 15th, 2007 at 3:06 am
Islam WAS spread by the sword, just as Christianity was also spread by the sword. Read history….see how many people were killed and are still being killed in the name of religion. Religion is bullshit. A tool to subvert, conquer and control the masses
January 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
that is very rude and disturebing
I am a muslim and a very religus person
but I am not a violent person
mohamad and islam is about peace
and rasisim is what brings out the worste in people and I can’t believe this
I have never been so insulted in my life and the polp didn’t say that he said somthing totally wrong and I like that he said sorry and admitted to his mistake but never insult mohamad or other riligions its wrong
I would never insult you
I would never insult your riligion
I would never insult anyone
that becuase I was raised right
were you?
January 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
amany, maybe you should stop sounding like a whiny little bitch whenever anyone in the world says anything that goes against your religious indoctrination.
January 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I was raised to think for myself, to think about things and not take them at face-value. Were you?
I will insult your religion, I will mock your beliefs and wipe my proverbial arse with your scripture, as long as you refuse to see the harm you (organised religion) are causing to this world.
I will not respect your religion as long as you use it to claim special rights, based on fictitious stories, that are detrimental to others.
I will insult your prophet until your religion realises it holding humanity back by forcing it’s archaic reasoning on others.
I will make fun of rituals as long as you indoctrinate your children without giving them a chance to form their own opinion.
I will not, however, insult a person without very good reason, even if he does all of the above. You still warant the basic human level of respect, it’s not your fault you weren’t taught to think for yourself and have been indoctrinated instead.
In short, to paraphrase a quote from the Bible:
Redicule the belief, not the believer.
February 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Just wait in the end of the world you guys. there will be heaven and hell waiting for good and evil people.you know what i really mean..hahahaha
February 14th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
remember that Jesus said that one one but the father knows the day of jugdement.so lift up your heads no mater what your faith is a live a good life
February 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Well, at least Reflex has the right idea, to bad it’s for all the wrong reasons.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:30 am
and what might those be?
February 26th, 2008 at 9:59 am
That you have to live a good life, or else you’ll be punished.
I much prefer people who are good an kind because they want to be.
February 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
well im sure we could go into a endless argument over this.but this is about the Religion of perpetual outrage(islam)we are talking about here
February 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
and besides i live my life by choice not under threat
February 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
“well im sure we could go into a endless argument over this.but this is about the Religion of perpetual outrage(islam)we are talking about here”
Yeah, because theres never been any violence or extremism from christianity.
“and besides i live my life by choice not under threat”
Unless you use the heaven/hell system, which is typical for christianity.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
well this is a video disproving islam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnVsBUZQXFM&feature=PlayList&p=DA84D412D944695A&index=4)
February 26th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
and i might as well say this to.Disproving Athieism:It’s lifts one’s heart to see the atheists whistling in the dark out of fear because
they know God must exist.
theistic epistemology demonstrates that the possibility of the world’s
coherence or meaningfulness pre-assumes God as an all-knowing being must ontologically be.
Atheism fails to provide the rational and moral pre-environment for
the meaningfulness of human apprehension of our world. thus anti-theism is false.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
“well this is a video disproving islam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnVsBUZQXFM&feature=PlayList&p=DA84D412D944695A&index=4)” this is bugged just go to youtube and type in “3 words to disprove the false religion of Islam”made by VenomFangX
February 26th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
“i might as well say this to.Disproving Athieism:It’s lifts one’s heart to see the atheists whistling in the dark out of fear because they know God must exist.”
So basically if we say ANYTHING or try to help other individuals understand religion we are just doing this because we “know” there is a god? That is the weakest argument I have EVER heard.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:38 am
ajutant reflex:
“theistic epistemology demonstrates that the possibility of the world’s
coherence or meaningfulness pre-assumes God as an all-knowing being must ontologically be.
Atheism fails to provide the rational and moral pre-environment for
the meaningfulness of human apprehension of our world. thus anti-theism is false.”
Could you give some examples?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Well in short it means Atheists are irrational
February 27th, 2008 at 9:04 am
well this has the potential to devolve into a pointless insult contest.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:08 am
“Well in short it means Atheists are irrational”
Were not looking for a summary, and it’s a pathetic argument. Next you’ll be using pascal’s wager.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:24 am
dont talk on any one you dont know people we are muslims and in our religon we cant talk on cristian people or any religon else that is the diffrent betweeen us and you all people
February 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am
“dont talk on any one you dont know people we are muslims and in our religon we cant talk on cristian people or any religon else that is the diffrent betweeen us and you all people”
One of the great things about not having a religion is that we can “talk on” and demolish any religion we see fit. By the way, it’s amazing that even though you say “in our religon we cant talk on cristian people or any religon” you still manage to be condescending to those people who don’t follow your religion.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am
no offence irish, but you might want to check that comment for hypocricy
February 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am
I know I’m a condescending ass, I never presented myself as anything different.
March 3rd, 2008 at 7:29 am
“dont talk on any one you dont know people we are muslims and in our religon we cant talk on cristian people or any religon else that is the diffrent betweeen us and you all people” Well 1st its spelt Christian not “cristian” and 2nd i learned everything i need to know about islam on 9-11(terrorist job)
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
Wow, nice to see you’re keeping an open and skeptical mind Reflex…..
Lets judge an entire religion and a billion people on the acts a dozen people. I learned everything I need to know about chrisianity from Torquemada in 1492.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Hello Reflex.
So atheists are irrational, hey! In what respect? They see the world as it is.(and determine beauty and such things at a visual level) Religion, and all its forms, has not always been bad, however its not always been good either. Where’s the irrationality there??
March 5th, 2008 at 7:29 am
“Lets judge an entire religion and a billion people on the acts a dozen people. I learned everything I need to know about chrisianity from Torquemada in 1492.” well then i could turn around and say that Torquemada was a cathloic who used the excuse of “the jews killed Jesus” as a excuse for mass murder
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 pm
yes and islam win jihad
yahudi, majusi stupid & crazy.
ilove islam
i love islam
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pm
i am love islam and islam win jihad
yahudi, majusi stupid & crazy
i love islam
i love islam
i love islam
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm
thanks ALLAH SWT,
thanks MUHAMMAD SAW,
thanks ISLAM.
April 24th, 2008 at 11:55 am
“thanks ALLAH SWT,
thanks MUHAMMAD SAW,
thanks ISLAM.”
For what?
In what way have Islam been a positive thing for the world?
What would we have missed if Muhammed had never been born?
April 28th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
no offence irish , but you might want to check that comment for hyprocicy
June 18th, 2008 at 2:59 am
You know what the problem is with these kind of religious conversations?
The conversation is based upon believes, you can’t debate what you believe (you either believe it or you don’t). So the discussion really does not take place, you re not discussing anything you re just expressing your religion/political conviction.
The biggest problem of all people and mostly the west (because they re the dominating force) is that they are greedy for power (& control), that is the reason for the iraqy war (and many other wars), nothing else.
And the biggest problem of the muslimes is that nobody does represent them in general, so anybody can represent them (and a lot of muslims like here on forums also do this) and (islamic leaders =>) say he s the representative of god and that only what god sais is right (this way he can just say what fits him best).
This makes that their marketing (=the way they let them be seen by the world) and I m sorry to say this; is a “bloody mess”.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:08 am
lol this is funny.the pope in the diagram says ” violence is wrong” but doent he stop and think tampering with the bible is wrong!!!! PATHETIC. yeah maybe islam is stuck in the 14th century , what was taught then is still being taught and practiced 2day why should we change if the quran hasnt changed. and why hasnt the quran been changed ? because no man on earth would dare to make up his own rules or stories. and if there was, no muslim is that dumb not to relise a fake to the original. islam is in our blood is in our nature and its what makes our personalities, we have morals.we do not mock our own religon in cartoons thats how much we think high of it and love it and respect it … so why should we allow any1 to do what we dont like towards our religon.there is alot of discussion they dont believe because they dont want to listen then decide we have proof and answers in islam thats why im a muslim and ill witness that till the day im wiped off the earth. the bible is wrong if its right who invented the trinity? no prophets were around at the time when they came up with it Q;so who done it? A; MAN MADE .. SO IS THAT WHAT YOUS BELIEVE IN MAN MADE BIBLE? (oh doesnt matter turn a blind eye) bible says god is one then all of a sudden he is the son the father the holy ghost! which one is he 1 or 3 in 1 . open your eyes open your heart to the truth.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
intention muslimin!let them be with their faith, Allah have not yet bless them with HIS nur and hidayah. let us all pray that Allah bless them with Iman. and for corso , you asked In what way have Islam been a positive thing for the world?What would we have missed if Muhammed had never been born?
you don’t know islam,you don’t see it! just get lost with nasrani(christianity)!
for your information,i’m a MALAYSIAN , we live in different races and religions, everyday, the number of peoples converting into muslim is increasing miraculously! most of them are christians!
let me challenge you,jesus is borned without a father, but, Adam was created without both! why don’t you worship Adam?he is even more amazing than jesus!please read AL-QURAN SURATH AL-MARIAM to have ALLAH’S answer!
ya Allah,show your greatness upon these kafirun , restore the dignity of your religion!AMIN
October 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Adib Yosuf,
Your last line ought to lead you to the right conclusion (that being that your god allah is merely fictional), but sadly, it hasn’t yet. Think about this:
If your allah was truly a divine and omnipotent being with such “greatness”, then no one should have trouble receiving, nor interpreting its message. There would be no room for misinterpretation, nor any missed message from such a being with such supposedly complete and infinite powers. This is just one of many indications that your god of your particular stories is not real, and that your religion is merely one more god superstition among many that the world should just get past and move away from.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.