Hey everyone! Today I thought I’d try an open forum. I’ve enjoyed them on other sites so let’s give it a go :) Feel free to talk about anything whether relgious or not. If you wanna pimp your site or some other one, go ahead… just don’t be obnoxious. If you have any cool news articles to share, do it.
Ok, I will confess that I was up late lastnight playing poker online so I took a night off from the site. I have some good stuff lined up for tonight and tomorrow though :) If any of you guys play poker, let me know! We can play online :)
gasmonso
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September 21st, 2006 at 10:29 am
Gambling is evil and against the will of god. Playing poker means you will go to hell for breaking the 10th commandment. Updating this site is probably in breach of 1-3 though, so I guess you are screwed no matter what you do.
/me goes back to writing the billing system for our gambling products.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:38 am
ok, if anything goes…..
GRUES RULE!!!
September 21st, 2006 at 10:51 am
What the hell is a grue??
I prefer Domo-Kuns anyways :)
September 21st, 2006 at 11:18 am
If you wanna pimp your site or some other one, go ahead
http://atheistcomedian.blogspot.com
Thanks.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pm
Grue is the thing that eats you if you walk in a dark dungeon.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pm
Domo-Kuns are the things that eat you when you’re going poopy on the toilet :(
September 21st, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Gasmonso who is that picture you have, is it another muslim???
Maybe its mohammed on a good day!!
September 21st, 2006 at 1:42 pm
I love Jesus yes I do! I love Jesus how ’bout you?
Eh.
I’m going to go throw up now.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pm
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September 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Anything? I can talk about anything under this post?!? Does that mean I shouldn’t have talked about whatever I felt like on the other posts? Woops!
I guess I’ll talk about my mother’s visit last weekend. We live about 500 miles away and she drove in to visit my wife and me for an extended weekend. She is a fire-and-brimstone style Baptist and raised me to be one as well. Needless to say, she is very disappointed that rejected Christianity early on in college (she blames my philosophy classes).
Surprisingly, though, we are able to have calm discussions about religion just about every time we see each other. After the last one we had on Saturday, I noticed a pattern to these discussions. She says something religious that I take issue with (be it anti-gay, an interventionist God, or what have you), I construct a logical argument that demonstrates that she is wrong, and she replies that she is unable to think about things on that level and it’s simpler to just take what you’ve been told on faith (and why don’t I do the same).
This finally brings me to my point (thank you for suffering through my aimless preamble). I’ve often heard atheists and agnostics fault the religious for being unable to think about their religion rationally, but I’ve only just recently noticed that some of the religious agree! I’ve always thought that if a religious person viewed all the relevant evidence and rational arguments concerning religion in an un-biased manner, they would reject the absurd and incorrect parts of their belief. I knew that many where unwilling to accept the evidence/arguments and still others spin the evidence/arguments to support or at least not contradict their beliefs, but I never considered the possibility that some are unable to rationally weigh evidence and critically evaluate arguments.
My question for the community is this: What percentage of the religious population falls into the following categories and tell my why you think this is the case:
1: Wrong because they ignore the evidence/arguments
2: Wrong because they spin the evidence/arguments
3: Wrong because they can’t understand the evidence/arguments
4: Right because they have good evidence/arguments
5: Other (explain)
Also, who many of them are aware that they belong to that category?
Unfortunately, I won’t be able to read your responses until Tuesday. I’ll be in NYC visiting a friend. Thanks in advance for your responses.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pm
I’d say the common idiot doesn’t understand, the slighlty more informed individual ignores, and the real psychos and fundies belong to spin and never even try to understand.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:21 pm
“What the hell is a grue??”
“Gasmonso who is that picture you have, is it another muslim???
Maybe its mohammed on a good day!!”
The beauty of a question that answers itself :)
ok sidfaiwu
I think most fall under catergory 5 “I never really thought about it” other wise, same as Your Father.
also, feast your eyes on this
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/21/pakistan.pope.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories
September 21st, 2006 at 4:56 pm
and while we’re spamming :P
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Grue
September 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Mmm… grue egg omelet.
Depends what constitutes religious. For the mainstream theistic religions in the developed world, I’d say:
1: 90+%
2: 75+%
3: ~5%
4: ~0%
People who say they can’t understand the arguments are generally just too lazy or willfully ignorant to try. They give the mentally retarded (who may actually be unable to understand the argument) a bad name.
As for the ~0%, well I happen to believe that none of them are right. But let’s assume for a moment that there was some sort of god out there; how many people would have a correct idea of who/what he/it was? Unless he/it manages to be really vague and contradictory, probably ~0%.
I’m lumping 5 (Never thought about it) in with 1.
Now onto talking about anything: You know what’d be neat? A bulletin board on the site, where people could create threads full of flames and death threats (amongst the well reasoned discussion, of course).
Do a higher percentage of atheists like cats better than dogs, compared to the religious?
Every time you kill god, a kitten masturbates. Nietzsche said it.
September 21st, 2006 at 11:46 pm
I got fired from my job last monday.
Today, I get an email from my boss asking me to come back and train my replacement, and fix the server because it went down and they thoughtlessly fired their only IT person with no replacement handy.i
To make this post semi-religious…. karma is a bitch, ain’t it?
Actually I do have something that occured to me recently. I was thinking about the red-sea splitting when Moses crossed, and the various groups attempting to prove this, and something occured to me.
Miracles are, by any definition I’m aware of, occurances that defy the laws of reality/physics. If we wanted to go about proving that a certain occurance was a miracle, we’d either have to demonstrate conclusively that there was no chance that occurance could have happened within the laws of physics, or we’d have to individually disprove every explanation that someone can come up with for that occurance.
I don’t really know if ther former is possible. The latter is obviously untenable within any realistic constraints. Actually I think they’re both undoable with any realistic constraints. To disprove every theory that one proposes, you’d have to have perfect knowledge of the occurance, which is not something we have the ability to record, much less the miracles that happened thousands of years ago. To prove that it can’t have happened in the laws of physics, it seems you’d have to disprove any theories by neccesity.
I’m not really sure where I’m going with this. I need to mull it over some more, but my gut feeling at the moment is that you can’t logically prove that any occurance was a miracle.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 am
Some people (using flawed judgement) would call unlikely but good things miracles, which of course means that statistically speaking, miracles are likely to happen very frequently. Some poor old guy wins the lottery and thinks, “it’s a miracle, praise Jesus!” When really, all kinds of people win the lottery all the time.
Others would call miracles good things that cannot be explained, or can be but the reasonable explainations are ignored because people want to validate their idiotic beliefs (see the drinking statue thing post).
Either way it really doesn’t matter. Trying to define a miracle is like trying to define unicorns. Sure, people have an idea of what they are, and some ideas differ, but in the end, who gives a shit? They don’t exist.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 am
Sidfaiwu: As to be expected with any psychological categories, people don’t really fall squarely into one or the other most of the time. From my exprience as an apostate of Islam, I’ve justified my beliefs with a combination of all of them really. You ignore what you can, spin what you can’t, put emphasis on the bits that are rationally sound and trump faith over the things you can’t comprehend.
Regardless, I kind of agree with the numbers Bones posted. For America at least. The amount of historical misinformation (on second thought, historical period)that Islam keeps alive to justify itself does tend to produce Muslims who are rather confident in their beliefs. After all, they are logically sound given the premises; it just so happens the information given is usually false. That kind of shifts the majority category over to either 2 or 4 depending on whether you’re looking at it from the believer’s or everyone else’s point of view.
September 22nd, 2006 at 7:09 am
you know what we need, A forum.
although that might require some hefty moderation…
September 22nd, 2006 at 7:54 am
Alcari, I have considered a forum, but I have a few issues…
1. Forums detract from main site and tend to run wild
2. Heavy duty moderation is needed
I am trying to devise alternatives so stay tuned :)
gasmonso
September 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 am
Did Jesus really die?
The answer in the bible and it’s no.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:39 am
I meant crussfied.
September 23rd, 2006 at 5:43 am
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September 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 am
freaky.
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 pm
okay, i see why you don’t want a forum :)
September 23rd, 2006 at 3:59 pm
“She was lovely, lying there on her bed breathing softly, I was fully erect blood throbbing in my loins and at my temples, i froze thought i heard her parents stopped breathing for a moment but it was nothing she stirred mumbled something i bent closer to listen watch her intently from the lights coming through the window now i am touching myself could smell her sweet baby shampoo a powder then in one quick movement i hit her hard with the flashlight dull thud a sigh gasp came from her small frame i froze again did i wake her parents was it going to be over no all was quiet i pulled the covers back could see her smooth belly lifted up her pjs and gingerly slowly hesitantly placed my shaking hand upon her i exploded my loins couldn’t contain itself anymore wave after wave of contractions pumped my love out bit my lip to stop me crying out in extacy oh god we made love”
/golfclap
September 26th, 2006 at 9:10 am
Hello Everyone. I’m back from NYC and enjoyed drunken days at the Italian Fest. It was a lot of fun.
Thanks for those who answered my question. Alcari brought up a great point that most people probably fall into the ‘I never really thought about it’ category. I never considered this possibility since I cannot imagine not thinking about these things. Like Bones, we can lump this category in with #1 with a little rewording:
1: Wrong because they ignore or never thought about the evidence/arguments
With that adjustment, I think this covers a good majority of believers, though Mina was right in pointing out that it’s usually a combination of the first two (I suspect Bones thought the same thing since his numbers add up to more than 100%).
Clearly I missed a lot while I was gone. I’ll try to catch up.
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