Here’s a great music video called Dear Jesus by the UK band Jesse James. It was released in 2005 and promptly banned from UK television because the political and anti-institutional tone of the video are now too sensitive an issue.
Banning a video for questioning religion is absurd and speaks volumes of the ignorance and intolerance that we face today. No government, whether local or federal, should ban the expression of one’s opinion in any matter, whether religious or not.
Take a look at the video and tell me what was so wrong. I’d love to what the problem is because apparently I’m too stupid to figure it out myself.
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awesome video. i think it getting banned in the UK had more to do with it’s parody of GWB and america than christianity. was the video banned by the government or by the TV stations themselves?
i am noticing a clear trend to group issues together: being anti-american or anti-american-christian almost always means being pro-gay or pro-muslim or anti-iraq-war. i think we need to examine those issues separately and independantly of each other. while they might seem superficially related, theres much more to it. i don’t like GWB very much. but if he’s the only one with balls to deal with certain threats to the western society, then so be it. also, just because the iraq war was a tremendous fuckup in its execution (and its fake justification), that doesn’t mean that certain involvment in that area is not prudent/necessary.
“Certain involvement in that area” is not needed at all. We never needed to go in, we need to get out as soon as possible, and the Americans need to just remove Bush before it’s too late. Bush is not dealing with “certain threats to the western society”. He isn’t even looking for Osama bin Laden any more. It makes me wonder whether bin Laden ever became a terrorist, in fact.
Oh, and the definition of terrorist, according to Google, is “one who uses terror for political gain.” Bush is, therefore, a terrorist.
Two things:
1. Who is the one person that runs every lyrics site in existence? Yeah, that’s right, Mr. Lyrics, I’m on to you. You thought you could just barely listen to songs while simultaneously running a jackhammer, vacuum cleaner, and blender while stuffing your ears full of cotton and eating crunchy cereal and then post your piss-poor interpretation of the lyrics to your thousands of ad-saturated sites, but I’m on to you…
*ahem*
2. I like the song and the video. As a christian, I get a little upset when people start bashing Jesus Christ, but that’s not what JJ is doing here. They’re bashing stupid christians: the church. I’m a christian, not a Churchian; I don’t worship the church. The church is fallible and dumb and mean and needs to be slapped about every now and then. Thus, I see things like this as a challange to be more like Jesus and less like the idiot church.
i agree that GWB has done way more harm than good in the end. there are many scenarios where we DO need to go there and regulate. extremist muslim groups were never shy of exporting their mujahedin and their agenda. sometimes that would suit the US policy and sometimes it wouldn’t. i am simply arguing that the less of that is allowed the better off the whole world will be. also oil. if and when the supply’s get tight, i think we need to simply take the oil. self-determination aside, iran (and like-minded countries) should never be allowed to develop nuclear capability, nor should they be allowed to buy any russian tech. the rest of the world will be grateful.
Unfortunately, I’m of two minds on most of this. Just because a muslim country gets nukes does not mean the world is in any more danger. Nukes are NOT offensive weapons. Western media portrays foriegn leaders as irrational but that’s hardly the case. Any country that nuked the US would be a radioactive wasteland in hours and everyone on the planet knows it. Nuclear capability in muslim hands WOULD mean that anyone wanting to ‘just take the oil’ would have a serious dilemma on their hands.
Eliot, I agree but what if a country, like Iran for instance, developed nuclear weapons in order to distribute them to an extremist group for use against another country?
I’m not saying that is what Iran is doing, but is it possible?
gasmonso
I would never say something like that isn’t possible. I didn’t mean to imply that there shouldn’t be some oversight and control, only that jingoism and nationalism is no substitute for reason and diplomacy. Additionally, we’ve been hearing for years now about all of the missing russian nukes I tend to believe if extremists want/ed them badly enough there are some to be had.
possible things wrong with the vid
1:12 Two people having sex in the background
1:23 Person saying the bible’s full of shit
1:38 bashing TV preachers
2:02 Church pooring money into war
2:06 Dubya crusading
2:31 Calling (a) churchgoer asshole
2:32 Raising middle finger
2:36 Saying the curch brainwashes you
2:41 Calling (a) churchgoer dick
Ok, so the list is a bit long, Still if you sit through the clip, it’s about Jesus being “a good guy to chill with.” Of course, this is Blairsville we’re speaking about, the 51,5th state. Still i remeber a videoclip (or was something else) picturing Blair as GWB’s bitch (litterally.)
I’ve seen a LOT worse clips on MTV then this one. At least this is in the spirit of comedy and would cause you to think. Alternatives would be listening to how some guy “Pimps his bitch” or watching some woman promote sluttyness (when I was your age :P) There really isn’t any reason to ban this clip.
On the nukes and MAD issue. I kind of agree with Iran,
Iran has reasonable uranium supplies, thus could use it for generating a lot of power, which would reduce national oil consumption, thus increasing the ammount available for export.
also, if I had a nutcase like George practically saying “i’m getting you next!” I’d do anything I could to defend myself to. Can’t get a better defence then with a nuke.
HOWEVER, I agree with the US to. The only reason countries don’t go around dropping nuclear weapon on eachother, is that the other guy WILL shoot back.
with a terrorist however, who does not car about casualties on his side, and who cannot be taken as a soldier of any country, there is noone to shoot back at. Thus terrorists have nothing to fear from the american nukes, and the americans have everything to fear from rogue nukers.
The only way to stop it is making sure they don’t get one.
I’m not touching the War in Iraq (yes, everyone spells that with a capital W now) with a 10 foot pole.
–LINKS–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/bush_countdown.html
hmmm iran uses less oil, sells more said oil, has more money and weapons to pour into groups like hisbolah. hell, if they never made a single nuke i still hate the idea. as far as bush going after them, it ain’t like its completely unprovoked either.
I’m just as afraid of a psycho getting nukes as anyone else. However, even the most rabid zealot must know (I sincerely hope so) that the people you claim to be looking out for are and a boatload of innocents are a going to have the worst day of the life. Something like that could not go unanswered no matter how many innocents pay the price. Polictics, rhetoric and dogma mean nothing to the dead.
@Boris
I agree with some of what you say. I’d prefer no nukes for Iran, I’m not a fan of Isreal having them either. I’d be much happier if the US kept the majority of our money here.
I’m a christian, not a Churchian; I don’t worship the church. The church is fallible and dumb and mean and needs to be slapped about every now and then.
Wow you guys DO exist! Simply based on hypothetical reasoning I came to the conclusion that such wonderous beasts did exist, but not until today did I find evidence! Well done, I tip my hat to you sir ;)
If only more christians were like this…
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Elliott Says:
September 27th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
I’m just as afraid of a psycho getting nukes as anyone else. However, even the most rabid zealot must know (I sincerely hope so) that the people you claim to be looking out for are and a boatload of innocents are a going to have the worst day of the life.
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Right, but consider this. The people they are looking out for are good little muslems and the rest dont count right? So if they nuke the US and the US nukes Iran to a parking lot, all the good little muslims are going to see Mr allah (sorry, i never capitalize deities names) anyway, so all they have accomplished is helping them to their ultimate goal. Never underestimate the dangerous mind of a religious fanatic.
I havent got a problem with “Isreal” having nukes. Nor do I have a problem with “Iran” having nukes. These countries know that if they launch, they’re dead to.
It starts becomming a problem when [unassociated fanatic group #142] gets a nuke.
I don’t capitalize deities either. I heard somewhere “Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die”. The leaders, every leader, is good at sending his followers to die for what they believe but the leaders never go. I don’t underestimate fanatics, I’m sure it can happen I have a problem with trampling on the human rights of “innocents” simply because there’s a chance. If I had more faith in governments, people and their motives maybe I’d feel a bit differently.
Also, considering that the big boy of the nuclear weapons keep refusing to sign those treaties which would stop making new nuclear weapons, why would smaller countries that seem to be targeted by the afore mentioned country be denied of them? Without nukes they probably feel that they are just the next target.
I am pessimistic by nature so if that leads to the end of the world, so be it.
Like what?
Irrelevant. America exports its filthy culture too.
Irrelevant. The US does not have any say in what people do in non-US places (for the purposes of this sentence, Iraq and the United Kingdom are included.)
Correct, but perhaps we need to look at the situation that is creating this insanity and look at ways to relieve them. America created many of the problems that inspired much of it all.
That is where you cross the line. Are you completely off your arrogant head? The USA cannot simply take oil that does not belong to it! Your crappy country will ‘simply’ buy the oil like everyone else, and like it. How dare you suggest that the USA may just invade any country it wishes when it wants cheap oil imports? If the country producing the oil wants to charge you lot for it, you will simply pay: the assumption that the US can get around any problem that threatens it (such as gasolene prices being about 1/3 of the UK price) by invading countries willy-nilly is the attitude that will get you all nuked some day.
Like the USA.
Indeed, and neither should the rest of the world. I am not comfortable with Israel having nukes, but at least I know that Israel’s prime minister has the capability of basic conjugation.
Praise be to our wonderful benevolent American world police force, for protecting the civilised areas of this planet from the evil godless Muslims who threaten our very existence!
People like you make me sick. You are arrogant, self-inflated, patriotic idiots, and the world would be far better off without you than it would be without Osama bin Laden.
@ben
whoa, easy there cowboy. i am not even american, least of all an american patriot. my country was also at one point being attacked by the USA (apparently fighting muslims terrorists was not OK prior to 9/11, then miraculously changed). but all of that is in the past. i think we have a pretty real treat in form of the muslim world. europe will feel the problem far before the USA do. european countries like france are dealing with quickly breeding minorities. chances are your comments are coming from your personal dislike for GWB (i also don’t care much for him). as for the bin laden comparison, now thats just silly.
Great video…and whats wrong with it? how did that get banned? seems to me like we’ve forgotten how funny “the meaning of life” really is!
Just like to say that old UncleMidriff made a very good point up earlier. I agree with everything said about the ludicrousy of banning the video, but i also like the comment that he made about the church often being pretty damn stupid. If only there was a way of getting rid of the stupidity of the heavy duty believers – i won’t hold my breath.
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