Last year, the Dover Pennsylvania school board thoughtlessly decided to teach Intelligent Design in the school system. Luckily U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III struck that decision down and common sense prevailed. But that wasn’t the end of the story.
Jones wasn’t just any judge; he was appointed by President Bush and is a longtime Republican. Many people expected him to side with Intelligent Design; after all, he’s a God-loving right-winger. But this judge was different. Jones answered his critics saying that they showed a lack of understanding about his role as a judge. He said a judge’s ruling should be based on the Constitution and legal precedence – not on personal whims or political favors. A rarity indeed.
As a reward for doing the right thing, Jones received numerous death threats and required a week of federal marshal protection. This speaks volumes about the religious fervor behind Intelligent Design. ID isn’t about teaching an alternative to Evolution. ID isn’t about showing both sides of the coin. ID isn’t anything more than a fairytale. ID is a tool that Christians are using to push their religion upon the masses. It’s all about Christians bringing their god into my kid’s classroom and it sickens me to no end.
I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it one more time. Religion is nothing more than a set of rules, guidelines, and beliefs whose roots are questionable at best. Nothing substantial can be proven in the bible and as a result, religion requires a believer to have faith. Christianity is just one set of beliefs and there are many other. It’s your personal decision to have faith and believe in a completely unsubstantiated system. And it is because of this that religion must be kept to oneself and not force-fed to the masses.
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If they teach intelligent design this is what they should teach. It would separate those from the church who don’t see how life could be created without intervention but believe that life evolves, the world is more the 5,000 years old, and there were dinosaurs.
“The human race is artificial intelligence created using object orientated programming. DNA is software that builds other software and modifies itself in the process – it contains instruction sets to build your program. Information was placed in this dimension with the ability to reproduce and evolve itself. The interaction of this information created new information and new DNA, constantly evolving and creating new software. The information was manipulated from its parent information system very occasionally. The software was guided into evolving the homo sapiens (humans) until they become self aware information.”
Oh yeah, score another one for the good guys. Poor judge though. The ID nuts stands up for their beliefs and if we say jack about it, we’re oppressing them and taking away their right to be Christians. We stand up for our side and suddenly we are heathens that must taste the firey justice of immediate death.
Many people expected him to side with Intelligent Design; after all, he’s a God-loving right-winger. But this judge was different. Jones answered his critics saying that they showed a lack of understanding about his role as a judge. He said a judge’s ruling should be based on the Constitution and legal precedence – not on personal whims or political favors. A rarity indeed.
Judge Jones, for standing up for logic over lies, for reason over superstition, and for the Constitution over cronyism, I hear by declare you a Humanistic Jones!
Rickler, the point is that despite any concept that might make sense given current scientific knowledge… There just isn’t any supporting evidence, or for that matter, reason to believe in any form of ID other than really really wanting to believe in god, and that isn’t science. They shouldn’t teach it outside the church, period.
Hi Folks,
Here are the lyrics to a Frank Zappa song from 1982 everyone on this blog might find interesting.
The late Mr. Zappa had a lot of insight into this gang 20-25 years ago; their influence appears to have waxed as we boomers get closer to the big D and worry if we are “gwine up to hebbin”.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+zappa/dumb+all+over_20057039.html
For those disinclined to follow that link, here is a clip:
You cant run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
: )
S
Just goes to show what can happen when you dare support the U.S. Constitution in the U.S. these days.
nevermind that such threats are against their religion
RE ID
Intelligent Designer http://beepbeepitsme.blogspot.com/2006/09/intelligent-designer.html
Anytime Christians talk about intelligent design, they are implying their version of god. The obvious response to that is to remind them of the influence of extraterrestrials from outer space. There are more evidence that aliens are here and influencing humanity than there is for god. Remind the Christians of crop circles, ancient temples, rock formations and pyramids, and volumes of videotape evidence of UFO’s. Even the Bible have descriptions of UFO’s in Ezekiel. So the Intelligent Designer could easily be the “Greys”. The truth is out there. Believing in one is no better than believing in the other. And evidence in the form of crop circles is more convincing than any image found on a potato chip
‘When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours as well.’
naery, master of quotes trikes again :P
Sill It’s a great thing when someone in a position of power honestly says that people should use their head for a change.
HumanisticJones, given that this judge was a long-time Republican and Bush appointee, it’s very possible that he IS a Christian.
If so, that makes him all the more valuable for the US. (I say “for the US” because, of course, outside the US, so-called “intelligent design” isn’t an issue, even amongst Christians. There are a lot of Americans, and a lot of Christians in America, and Sturgeon’s Revelation applies.)
> Intelligent Designer http://beepbeepitsme.blogspot.com/2006/09/intelligent-designer.html
This works for one definition of intelligent, and not the one they presumably intend. Let’s not give IDers any amunition they need – as long as they cling to their “world started in 4000bc” theory we can just laugh at their ignorance while cringing at their numbers.
Dave
“as long as they cling to their “world started in 4000bc†theory we can just laugh at their ignorance while cringing at their numbers.”
The thing that is laughable here is your ignorance towards the theories that the ID movement are actually putting forward. Cowardly caricaturing really doesn’t help anybody… although I suppose it makes you sound 1337 on a predominantly anti-ID blog.
ID != young-earth creationism.
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php#questionsAboutIntelligentDesign
Ben, I have no doubt that some supporters of ID are infact not Christian Fundamentalists as I can assure you that Erich von Daniken is an avid supporter of ID. He, however, would say aliens. The problem with your rebutal is that for it you linked to the Discovery Institute.
Perhaps you are unaware of some facts about them as an unbiased resource. If I may direct you to some reading on them…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/7/71/Wedge_Document.pdf
From their own strategy they state implicitly that they want to destroy the public image of evolution for the purpose of suplanting it with Christian Creation. To do this they’ve painted a thin veneer of science over the bible and changed the the names from Creationism to ID and Genisis to “Of Panda’s and People”.
What you have there is a good old fasioned Christian lobby with a fundamentalist agenda directly at odds with my America. Don’t let them fool you. The further along ID gets in its acceptance the more bible they’ll slip in. Their “science” is flawed and they’ve never been published in a peer reviewed journal that didn’t imediately retract the article for having sidestepped their criterion (the article I mention was nothing more than a document constructed of farmed quotes). Give them an inch and they’ll take your brain.
ID != young-earth creationism.
no, but YEcreationism == ID.
Come on guys.
I browse this site everyday and am so disheartened to hear this movement is getting stronger. Whatever happened to the whole burning church’s idea? I mean, come on…..
They are fighting a WAR with us, you’ve all seen it in the stupid Jesus Camp movies and crap. It’s a growing ARMY of people willing to die for their God, so let’s help them realize their dreams?
America is in dire need of another Civil War.
Give them an inch and they’ll take your brain indeed. It’s saddening to hear about death threats, what has the world come to when justice and law is turned into a children’s playground bully game?
Science and bible are separate, any reasonable person can see that this is how it should remain. Researching the bible only has scientific value for archaeologists, historians, and social science. Then it actually makes for good reading!
It’s funny how these fanatic religious people follow the bible so strictly yet they threaten to kill people? The one thing I hate most is when people pick and choose what they want from the bible. “The stories make sense, but we know earth is NOT 6,000 years old, so why don’t we just say….ummm…uhhh….*bright light* God’s days are actually millions of years!” Well why the hell didn’t God state that in the bible to begin with!? Or when they say
Fanatic #1:”We should read the bible literally”
Fanatic #2:”No that’s to barbaric, read it metophorically”
Fanatic #3:”No, no, no, you’re both wrong, we need to edit this ourselves and call it New Revised Standard Version.”
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