Shout out to Boris for this crazy ass story!
Damare Garang was only a child when his Sudanese village was attacked by Muslim soldiers. He was captured and sold as a slave to a Muslim family in Tuobon, Bahr el Ghazal where his duties were to tend the master’s camels.
One day a camel escaped and Garang was reprimanded. The following day, Garang, having been raised Christian, snuck out to attend service at church. When he returned, his master demanded to know where he was and the boy foolishly said he was at church.
His master became furious and headed off to the barn. When he returned, he was carrying a large board, some rusty spikes and a hammer. According to Voice of the Martyrs, the following event transpired…
"The savage brutality of the master was unleashed as he proceeded to drive the long nails through Damare’s knees and then nail his feet securely onto the board."
Now I report this story for a few reasons. First, is there slavery going on in the Islamic culture? Second, is it possible this story was fabricated by this Christian organization to create a larger divide between Islam and Christianity? Was it basically a tool to draw people away from Islam to Christianity?
For some reason, the story just seems a little fishy, but I can’t put my finger on it.
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I think if you search futher, you would find his real name is Jesus:), they made up Jesus crucification, it would be easy to make this one up too.
Christian and Jews are victims, Muslims bombing them every where, bsdtered Muslims, they own this advanced jets and these cluster bombs and they after Christians and Jews every where.
Stop the BS please, christian has nothing to provide people as religion, so they try to show as victims, so more people get in Christianity, so they make more money.
..And I think that if you look at Islam, Christianity and every other religion more closely with a logical mind you will find they are all “BS”.
There is no slavery as such in Islam, but there certainly is slavery in Africa. Slaves as well as Slave’owners’ can come from different religious backgrounds, including Islam and Christianity. Insofar, the above story might have occurred. If the boy really was crucified I cannot possibly say, it is here that I heard of it the first time.
Mohamed:
Whenever I see someone doing something I do not agree with, I do not defend him/her in a public forum, nor do I try and change the focus to make some sort of religio-political statement about how unjust people are. I simply state that the kind of action perpetrated in the story is despicable, horrifying and wrong according to every decent society since the dawn of civilisation.
It disgusts me that you cannot for one minute stop just to say that you think that this kind of activity is completely contemptible, and it terrifies me to think that you consider yourself a moderate.
If you wish to question the truth of the story then that is fine, but that does not affect the fact that the activity described should be abhorred and not defended seemingly because the perpetrator was of your own faith.
Dave
Dave,
Ok I don’t what are you talking about?, you are doing the same thing, the only thing makes you not seeing it, that everybody agrees with you on your fairy tales about your twisted ideas, I never attacked any body, but I see that people here are keep attacking me, I can say what ever I want, I didn’t attack somebody personnely, so if I attacked I would I understand your crying, if you can’t see it, the west want to inerfere in every inch in ME, and that’s what I’m talinkg about it.
I think the moderat person, who read this thread and comments with out crying about somebody comment, If my comment disgust you, I don’t care, most of the comments here digust me, but I didn’t cry about it, waaaaaaaaawaaaaaa.
wow, i can understand reprimanding a guy for loosing a camel, and getting pretty angry when he sneaks out of work for no good reason, but nailing him to a board?!!?
faith has little to do with this I think, it’s more about a guy who needs to have his head torn off and shoved up his *****
“christian has nothing to provide people as religion, so they try to show as victims, so more people get in Christianity, so they make more money.”
Well I completely agree with you on that, with the addendum that Islam is equally bad, as are most religions. Seriously take the time to read the bible (yeah, it is dreadfully boring) and you’ll se how little difference there is between Islam and Christianity.
“I never attacked any body”
“Stop the BS please, christian has nothing to provide people as religion, so they try to show as victims, so more people get in Christianity, so they make more money.”
“I can say what ever I want”
“If my comment disgust you, I don’t care, most of the comments here digust me, but I didn’t cry about it”
Ok, who canpoint out to me how many contradictions there are in these statements? I count at least 5…
Really, you should try to think about what you’re spewing all over the place. If you expect to be taken seriously you really should try to:
1 – take others seriously and answer their honest questions,
2 – think if you would take it an insult if someone said it to you.
3 – use good arguments and admit it when you’re wrong, we all do
Alcari,
faith has little to do with this I think, it’s more about a guy who needs to have his head torn off and shoved up his *****
I agree with you, if that’s what happened. as Gasonoma gove impression, that it might be rumor, so no need for everybody to jump to conclusion that Islam is doing that, that’s barbaric act, and if it happenes because this man is freaking idiot.
Again the Iraqi was tortured on hand of claimed Christians, and I don’t blame Christianity for it, because they are whit trash form USA has no values, and because I saw this kind of people, because I live in USA, I know it’s not Christianity, I’m reading book now and it called Mission Rejected, it’s about USA soldieres refuesed what’s going on in Iraq, they American some of Christian, they knew the right thing to do, the didn’t want to get involved in torture or injust war.
So that’s how I’m moderate, I know there is good Christian and I read about it and I know that Americans has good people and they are trying to do the right thing, not like some people here, they just take it as all the Muslims terrorist and all the Christians stupid.
I’ve been searching news sites… so far this is the news from recent days coming from Sudan by actual news organizations:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6158290
http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=L01213872&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C4_Crises-6
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-09-30T003150Z_01_N29227632_RTRUKOC_0_US-SUDAN-DARFUR-SANCTIONS.xml&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C2_worldNews-4
I unfortunately see no news about this. VotM is unfortunately not a news source but a world wide organization that gets its funding from churches for the purpose of showing the world the plight of Christians in Islamic, Hindu, and Buddhist Countries(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_the_Martyrs). Certainly something like this would be tragic, but the dialog in the reporting speaks like a Bible story (“You have made two grave mistakes,” the slave master said. “Yesterday you lost one of my camels, and today you worship with infidels!”) and I would think that something like this would have ended up in AP, Reuters, or NPR somewhere.
Alcari,
Again,
you put 3 points, look at the comments from other users, and you will get out the three things you have just mentioned.
Every body here is right, evolution is the best thing ever happened, and other religions are BS, like some user mentioned here.
What I see here, that there is no use in argument. You have to understnad something, that we are human-being, we all have mistakes, no matter who you are. what I see here is fishing some topics to prove some points, which leads to non sense.
You will even see that, some times I contridct my self, should I defend my reigion against other and show that no body is perfect, or should I agree with you in logical way.
Every body talks like he is Darwin, and he knows every thing, it makes me think that Enstien didn’t die yet, I think he still alive and he post his scintefic ideas here.
> Ok I don’t what are you talking about?
Mohamed:
In 2 posts you have failed to condemn the actions that were undertaken in this story. Instead, you are trying to turn this despicable act into a religio-political tirade.
Whether or not the article is true is irrelevant. Whether or not Jews are dropping Cluster bombs in Lebanon while right wing christians orchestrate missile and apache strikes in Iraq *has nothing to do with this story*. This story is about a single action from a single man, and isnt really even about faith.
Can you not take a single post to state that you believe that the actions portrayed are disgusting? In doing so, you give a little more time to the victim, and a little less time to thinking about vengeance.
Dave
I condemend the action in above and I agreed that if he did it he deserve waht Alcari said, the other thing you have just said.
This story is about a single action from a single man, and isnt really even about faith.
You have just said it’s a single action from a single man, read how the story was posted and the question has been asked in the begining, you will understand that’s against the faith.
And you will see how many person on the site will take it as another reason to make big deal out of it.
In my opinion it’s big deal, but has to be discussed in propere way.
The West is ctying about Darfur, ok what are they going to do about it, to divide Sudan and they doing with Iraq, now I’m just telling you the idea, they want to make Sudan two parts, Islamic state and Cristian state, and Chritians in Sudan is supported by the West, and makes it even worse, because that inflames the whole situatuion in the area.
Don’t look at it as single action, you have to read between the lines.
As another point on this story, doesn’t the attached picture look like a Photoshop job? Something just doesn’t look real about it. Look at the shadows, they seem off.
I don’t know about the truth of this article either, but to answer the earlier question, slavery is permissible under Islam. Some restrictions apply however;
1)You can’t prostitute out female slaves if they’re unwilling
2)Slaves have the right to marry (whether it be another slave or a free person)
Otherwise, the Quran also encourages you to free your slaves, says you need to give slaves the possibility of puchasing their freedom, and I believe certain circumstances or mistreating your slave require you to free them as means of recompensation.
So overall it calls for a more humane treatment of your slaves (in relation to slavery in pre-Islamic times), but slavery is not forbidden.
Mina,
are you dreaming, there is no slavery in Islam, this rules made for society started with slavery, not to initiate slavery.
Not that anyone asked my opinion, but much of the “barbarity” that is perpetrated in africa and some parts of the middle-east under a religious moniker is actually cultural practice with a pseudo-religious justification. This was true in the past as it is today. That is to say things like slavery (now or in the early christian mediterranian) or female genital mutilation are often claimed as religious practice when a detailed examination of the cited religion will find no such practice enshrined. Rather ignorant people ascribe religious justification based on heresay and you get the “enough people say it so people believe” phenomenon.
So I think this fellow could have done this terrible and contemptable thing. He may even have offered religious justification for it. He would be wrong both on the basis of basic morality, and he would be wrong from an Islamic standpoint. Heck, Muhammad (the Prophet) required Muslims to help Christians and Jews to build Churches and Synagogues. To persecute a Christian for merely attending church is fundamentally un-Islamic, and to any real muslim should be seen as nothing less than a perversion of religion.
“”are you dreaming, there is no slavery in Islam, this rules made for society started with slavery, not to initiate slavery.”"
ok I finally decided to do some googling about this.
As i have no idea how to quote quran verses, ill just copy what i think is enough…
Mina is right about the freeing and treating well of slaves BUT,
Vol. 5-#459 basically states that when soldiers attacked Banu Mustaliq, they took slaves and had sex with them, Mohammed told them that if they wanted sex they should finish it (no coitus interuptus)
Vol. 7-#734 specifically showed that Mohammed himself had slaves in his house.
Vol. 5-#512 Narrated Anas: “…..The prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives….”
Soooo, please try again.
although, anticipating responce, the bible states pretty much the same.
you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
of course the book of Exodus is full of very VERY wierd laws. which one of us last sacrificed a vew goat to “buy of” sacrifice of his firstborn son?
Okay, this article is just as disgusting as the guy who crucifies himself every year(check the video section) I doubt any religion tells you to do something like this, and certainly none i know off. Add the fact that the source is not very objective and probably trying to show any religion other than christians as barbaric… so i HOPE this thing never happened!
Alcari, Mohammed:
Slavery in islam is not exactly forbidden, you’re to treat your slaves with respect, not tear apart families, let them marry, if you have sex with a slave her son(can women have sex with their slaves?) is born free. It is highly encouraged to set slaves free, and you’re not allowed to enslave free people unless you fought out some war and took capatives.
This is pretty much all i remember from my history lessons about islam and slavery(the book was VERY pro islam)
So mohammed, does this mean me and alcari know more of the dark secrets of islam than you do?
Oh and about the fairy tales, we actually chose not to believe in any of them, unlike you do. Evolution has a psudo proof, but can’t be considered a fact because the process cannot be watched(science is only a few hundred years old, it takes well over a thousand to get noticable changes.) This is the only thing you could actually(falsly) consider a fairy tale. if you have any others show me and i’ll post you a proof.
Agony,
That’s mean that you ans alacari have so musch hatered to Islam, and what ever he said is totaly wrong and it’s not right, he must have this words when he was studying his religion(evolution), stop misleading people from the truth, every day you show me, how Islam is right and you are totally wrong, you keep telling me fairy tales and I’m really patient, Chances create the world, whu chances don’t happen that easy these days.
I have question for you as an athiest or evoultionest, Could you marry your sister or you daughter as long as you don’t beleive in religion, and if not why you think it’s not right?
Please answer the question, I didn’t dodge your questions, so please don’t doddge, I think you can ask Darwin or evolution and they might tell you.
Sorry Mohamad, but like all monolithic religions, Islam has earned the reasoning person’s disdain. If you think your religion is all warm and fuzzy, then you need to think outside the book more. It isn’t, sorry.
To answer your question, I don’t think you understand what atheism is. Atheism just the belief that there is no god. That is the end of it. Atheism does not speak to morality at all.
Now to answer the question, as an atheist. Could I marry my non-existant sister? I am pretty sure it is against the law here in Florida, so from that perspective, no.
Lets look at this logically, outside of religious beliefs. Why would you NOT marry your sister? You have 2 reasons. One is moral. This is entirely up to the individual, and yes, an atheist can have morals. I know you are taught that you can get them only from your little book but that is hype, dont believe it. The second reason is biological. When you get married, one item on the table is having kids. Let me tell you, living in the south I know why this is wrong, inbreeding is a bad bad thing. Trust me.
So to be clear, if you want to marry your sister and have no intention of having kids (and i dont mean rubbers, I mean real surgical measures to prevent pregnancy) I think it should be legal. I find it massively icky, but you know what? Your ickyness does not affect me. Be as icky as you want. Same idea applies to these batshit crazy christian republicans here that want to ban gay marriage. I find the act icky but it is none of my business.
Oh and by the way, since you mentioned evolution in your question: inbreeding is an evolutionary dead end, so evolution dispises it.
I don’t dodge questions, I attack them straight on.
I have no comment.
Isolated breeding populations will always end up producing worse off ofspring than a diversified breeding population. This can work almost imediately, with recesive carrier traits that you and your sister don’t manifest, that manifest in the child as a result of both recesive traits being expressed.
Inbreeding leads to very bad things genetically, so very much so Atheists wouldn’t want to marry our siblings. We actually trust science. What’s your excuse not to marry your sister?
Humanistic Jones, thankyou for the info on VotM and the research behind the article. I’m throwing my lot in with you and saying this article is likely there for sympathy purposes. The photo does look a little off but it may have just had the lighting played around with.
Mohamed and others, just always keep in mind that “different strokes are for different folks” and that this is a place for (hopefully) adult dicussion. These are contentious issues but we all have it in our capacity to talk in a mature and calm manner :) Shout outs to Skyclad and Jones for their continued efforts on this front – maybe Gasmonso (he of the continually mispelt name) could design a little icon trophy for next to those people who continually offer interesting and fair posts?
Oh one final thing – Agony, evolution need not take thousands of years. After all, we often forget that evolution is not dependant on time but rather evolutionary pressures. There’s an example given by New Scientist magazine in the rapid response of crickets to a predator:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10121?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=dn10121
I don’t dodge questions, I attack them straight on.
Yeah I understand that you didn’t dodge the question, again your answer makes me thank god that I’m muslim, it’s really disgusting, you guys will destroy this earth if you got the chance to, if there is no laws, you will see how are you going to act. like barbric, having sex with your mother, you childern or sibilings, what is going to stop you?
No vlues, no rules, you see your self coming from Apes, so you are going to act like them, like animals.
Evolution, might be true, just to help the creatures that doesn’t have ability to think to live in different enviroment, that’s why god create it, human-being don’t need , because god create human-being with brain to think with to protect him self, which most of you lost this brain and start to listen to your devils.
Thank you,
Let’s try to get back to the point:
I surf the internet daily, from day 1 (OK, OK, day 2, I confess: I don’t know hot to configure a modem). WorldNetDaily.com claims it was established in 1997, yet I have not once heard of them. Might mean nothing, but I’m already cautios. The article is not signed. The article contains one link, to a login site I don’t know. No siree, that’s not how you publish news.
The picture – it’s fishy at best. And the wounds can be from nails as much as from any other reason.
I’d try to stay to the point, but I can’t: someone please explain Mohamed (the above poster) what an internet troll is, and why should they be avoided.
— [Mohamed]
Yeah I understand that you didn’t dodge the question, again your answer makes me thank god that I’m muslim, it’s really disgusting, you guys will destroy this earth if you got the chance to, if there is no laws, you will see how are you going to act. like barbric, having sex with your mother, you childern or sibilings, what is going to stop you?
No vlues, no rules, you see your self coming from Apes, so you are going to act like them, like animals.
—
You know, this is another issue I have with theists. They have this mistaken idea that just because we dont worship some fairy tale, we have no morality and want to live in a chaotic anarchic society. I guess it is to be expected when they think with a book or are spoon fed wisdom from a priest/preacher/cleric whatever you want to insert there.
To be clear: Your assumptions are wrong. I just dont want MY rules to necessarily defined by YOUR book. I want my rules to be defined by what is applicable to a secular body because that is the ONLY wai to be fair to everyone of every religion and non-religions. An example, if you muslims ruled America I could easily some stupid laws being passed like stores being prohibited from selling pork products or women not being allowed to get driver’s licences. I could come up with a ton of these. I have similar issues with christians in charge. Not being able to buy booze in southern states on sunday anyone? How about gambling being illegal? How about prostitution? Hell if a woman wants to perform a service and get paid for it, it should be between her and her clients not some jackass christian and their little book.
Well that did turn into a completely off topic mess. Oh well.
Michael,
I’m not saying that I have yo apply my rules, you misunderstand the point I’m trying to say,
Knowing that there is god, even with absence of laws, you know there is god if your mind speaks to you to do something stupid, but the atheist has nothing to consider.
Imagine with me, what would happen if there is no law in USA?
People will kill each other, and steal each othe, for example Katrina, you have seen how people acted with out law.
In Egypt we live without law, but we know if we run away from the government, we are not going to run away from god, even though I’m not saying that Egypt is perfect.
Without people believing in God, people will do bad things, not afraid from conseqences. Atheiset will think that they can kill and they go to jail or got excuted and that’s it.
But it’s not that way, there is a god and he sees every thing, and any unjust done, he will take care of it.
You don’t want Islam rules, because they will make your society is better, without alcaholic and without gambling, which both of them destroy any society, Prostituition, do you think that most of women who works in this field wants to do that, some of them has no money and some of forced to do it, and if the society helped them, they might be better people in society.
Driving, women drive in Egypt, including my sister, woman always has her role in Islam, what happen now is culture thing, is not from Islam in any thing. Please read about womens in Islam on our prophet’s day.
Mohamed:
I’d like to thank you for the comments above on the nature of the act in the title article. I believe in people, though all too often in the news, all we see are the more violent aspects of the Islamic faith in action. By expressing solidarity with the victim (if indeed the story is even true), you have helped restore a little of my belief that people of all faiths can be sincerely good people. One thing I had begun to believe is that Islam was all aggressors with no balancing factors (hawks and doves in american terminology), and I am glad that the human tragedy was recognised without regard to the faith of the victim.
Dave
Btw, that picture is, without question, fake.
Wow, you certainly got a lot of reaction out of this one.
I don’t think it has a thing to do with the man’s religion. He was clearly insane.
It’s wrong to try to pin this to Islam.
I have met many Muslims whom I’ve found to be the most enlightened, fair and tolerant religious people I’ve ever known.
I think you will find that the savage tendencies that the media concentrates our attention on are more cultural than religious patterns.
But in the one you just described, I don’t think that can be ascribed to anything but that one man’s cruel intentions.
Luckly, I visited this region of the world.
Yes the life there seems very difficult. But I am quite certain from what I saw there that this story is made up.
Maybe to get support some people make up stories.
There may be other reasons.
But things don’t happen the way this story is made up.
Yes, the slave trade has existed among Arabs as recent as 15 years ago, that I am aware of, as reports on Africans being kidnapped and smuggled away from their families and homes to serve Arab masters were making their way out of Africa to the Western World, and there were organizations raising money to buy back these slaves and bring them home. I do not know if Arabs still practice this immoral indignity against other human beings to date, but will try to find previous reports that were scandalous at the time, in an effort to find out more. Did this particular crucifixion story occur? Who knows for sure, but the following is true: There are those in Islam who murder their sister or their daughter if she was raped because SHE brought shame to their family; there are those who decapitate others because they are of a different tribe or are sunni and not shia (and vis-a-versa); there are those who kidnap and kill and commit acts of terror for political and religious reasons; there are those who stone to death people for committing adultery, for if they did not stone them to death then Allah would send them to hell (but since they are stoned to death Allah will grant them peace). These are extremist acts, but they are most definitely acted with the approval of many clerics and approved of as being within Islamic law and cultural norms. This does not mean that all Muslims do these terrible things nor do they condone them. However, the numbers of those who do is so great that these things must be looked at, judged, and corrected, as the King (a direct descendant of Muhammed) and Queen of Jordan are attempting to do in their own country.
that’s why it will never wor. Hale Mauricio.
oh we didn’t care,we made it very clea. Mihangel Caiaphas.
i would advise everyone to read the book called Slave by Mende Nazer and Damien Lewis, it sheds some light on the horrific occurrances in Sudan, of the raiding of the tribal villages for slaves. Its really shocking and i couldnt believe that this was happening in the world today. But there is alot going on in the world that the mainstream news outlets would never tell us.
Also, the man in question who was crucified was not alone in being punished for practicing his religion, any slave of any faith, even if they are muslim like their “owners” are forbidden from practicing religion as they are viewed as less than people, more like livestock.
Seriously read this book its very informative!
Well, slavery is alive and well in the world, especially in central Africa. Slaves are present throughout the Bible and the Koran both – in fact, they provide guidelines as to the humane treatment of slaves (Which I’m pretty sure this fellow didn’t follow). In general, the Arabs have been the most constantly involved in the slave trade, from BC through to the Colonial era, where they were the people who the whites bought the slaves from for the most part (Though, also, they still took white slaves up until the nineteenth century, in the form of the Barbary Pirates). This story rings fairly true to me, though I tend to see these things as not a matter of religious behaviour, Islamic, Christian or otherwise, but rather as simply the evidence that some guys can be real fucking shits.
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Mohammed,
I just came across this website and wanted to leave a comment from a Christian point of view. As an individual you are free to believe in yourself or whatever you choose, but just because you do not believe a story about a young boy who chose to stand for his belief and was crucified for it, does not make your opinion the full gospel truth. This story as well as others stories of Christians persecuted for their faith are true (Check it out at http://www.persecution.com), and happen every day. My church is currently supporting a ministry in Liberia in which children are being disowned by their parents because they denounced the Islam faith and became Christians. I can tell you of many true stories I know regarding persecuted Christians, more gruesome than Damare’s story, if time and space allowed. But, I did want to leave you with an final thought, “Research is the key in determining if a belief or statement is right or wrong before making a conclusion”. Ask Peter Hitchens.
Pammy, so how’d those Christian inquisitions go for ya? Seems the mohammedheads haven’t been the only ones gettin down an nasty. You whacked out Christian folk did it too.
Christians being persecuted, my ass.