Thanks to EvangelicalRight for exposing me to the whole concept of hell house.
Every year at this time, the Trinity Church in Cedar Hill Texas takes the haunted house to the next level. Scared yet? Ok, then add the weirdest, freakiest, scariest material you’ve seen. Scared now? Well, then add a huge dose of Christianity to it. Ah Ha! Now I know you’re scared.
Now make no mistake, Trinity Church is not doing this to get in the Halloween spirit. They have one goal in mind and that is to save as many kids as possible from the eternal flames of hell. While it may sound funny to you and me, I can assure you that they are über serious.
They elaborately portray various sins in a very graphic and realistic manner. These sins include a girl having an abortion, taking drugs, suicide, and of course homosexuality. The goal here is to scare that absolute sh!t our of these kids so they will cling tightly to a life of religion.
Words can’t describe it. It has been made into a documentary and a Broadway play if you can believe it. It’s very powerful and very well done. Take a look for yourself. These videos are taken from Hell House a Documentary Film. There are 5 videos to choose from so be sure to see them all. This years Hell House is hosted on yet another site. It’s very professionally done and contains a trailer that I do not have here. So go take a peek for another taste of this crazy Christian acid trip.
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October 5th, 2006 at 12:20 am
Some people that lived in my town used to do this on a smaller scale in their house. Abortionist’s pulling out fully formed babies, homosexuals rotting with diseases, and the like. As a fan of crazilly disgusting things like Gwar concerts and movies like Jesus Christ: Vampire Hunter these only bring a morbid laugh to me. Then I remember that people actually get converted by this crap… then I get scarred.
October 5th, 2006 at 5:17 am
I heard about it just yesterday for the first time and it completely freaked me out. There’s no age restrictions either, but they recommend kids to be at least 12…
If anyone’s interested, I heard about it in the two part documentary The Root of All Evil. It’s one of those science vs. religion ones.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:55 am
Fear is a great motivator. Just ask the Republican party. The best way to resist the fear is to be educated. I believe that the fundamentalists know this and that is why they target schools and school aged children with their agenda and propaganda.
If you ask me, I find using fear as a motivator nothing short of immoral. As I’ve stated before, someone who is truly afraid is incapable of making a choice. Thus using fear as a motivator is imposing their will onto others by subverting their freedom to choose. The only difference between putting a gun to someone’s head to make them do something and the tactics Hell House is using to achieve the same is a matter of degree. The gun is simply better at subverting one’s free will.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:29 am
Yes…nothing better than mortal fear to convince people that you are right. Just like Jesus taught.
If you have to scare people into believing you are right, then that already shows your argument has a problem. If you then have to lie to reinforce that fear, than you should probably re-evaluate your stance. People shouldn’t accept God because they don’t want to burn in hell. They should accept God because they believe in God and whatever teaching (if any) they chose. With fear anyone will say they believe anything, but that doesn’t mean it’s right.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:50 am
lol? some can be converted by this stupid a$$ $h!t (sorry for the lame cursing on a comp at my school:P) i couldnt help wanting to destroy the people who made this, and the truly scarey part i supose is people pay for this ftw?
, also just out of randomness i saw a good law and order last night about christian vs. agnostic family or something like that and it had an arguement,” why would my mother want to take god out of the pledge its already on our money’
reporters comment,’well if you knew anything the pledge was already changed in 1954 to add “god” to the pledge aswell and in god we trust in the early 1900’s, just a fun fact if anyone didnt know like younger people on the site like myself, always good to know something about the government,
FOLEY FOR PRESIDENT 08!!!
October 5th, 2006 at 10:04 am
I can’t help myself, but is that how they teach english in american schools ;)?
Sorry dude, I really, really couldn’t help myself…
October 5th, 2006 at 10:22 am
What the hell? in one of the videos on the site their in “the decision room” and the speaker says “these were not scare tatics”… thats exactly what they are! They are scaring the shit out of everyone in there, so now if i talk to one of those people they will tell me “YOUR GOING TO HELL!”
“I don’t believe in hell.”
“YOUR GOING TO HELL!”
October 5th, 2006 at 10:26 am
they don’t think it’s scare tactics because they think it’s “the truth.”
that’s the saddest thing, there are adults who think an abortion means pulling out a miniatur human with thoughts, arm and legs, instead of a fingernail sized little slug. (etc etc)
October 5th, 2006 at 11:15 am
sigh, fear and hatred
and i just wanted to preach love and peace
am i truly a heretic?
October 5th, 2006 at 7:03 pm
Back when I was a young’n I did a video for a high school class (the theme was Romanticism) in which I made fun of the high school’s (from my young eyes) totalitarian administration. Strangely enough, the administration in the video did things like show students what drug withdrawl was like in order to prepare them for real life. I thought it was funny, because it was so over the top that no one would actually ever do that. But now I see that the world is much crazier than I imagined.
October 5th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Ack, I’m a double poster! Shame on me. Anyway, I got onto the thought track of videos and confused youth dealing with faith and Jesus, so I thought I’d share this with you all.
http://www.shortfilmfest.com/theatre/TheLouishFaith_large.mp4
It’s a film I wrote and directed having to deal with a college age guy, his very Christian ex-girlfriend, wanting to have faith, and Jesus. It may be slightly sacriligeous, and it is in a retarded .mp4 format that you may have to use Quicktime to view (if you don’t have Media Player Classic w/ffmpeg or VLC or other crazy stuff installed). Sorry if it’s a bit off topic, ummm… we should show videos like this to kids instead of things like this hell house spoken of in the post. Yes. Back on topic.
October 5th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
I can’t believe I watched the whole thing. It started off with some terrible acting, but it looked like it had some kind of point so I kept watching… but then came the Zombie Jesus and Volcan Death grip…. oi vay.
October 11th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
What exactly does your exercise in copy, paste, and poor English intend? Must be an offended evangelical….
October 11th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Well now ya’ll have removed the offender, and my comments looks lost, scuse the double post.
October 16th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
i’m from trinity church and i participate in Hell House, i just wanted to let you all know, it isn’t scare tactics. Abortions go on every day, ppl die from drug overdosing everyday, school shootings happen all over the world, ppl are actually lost in homosexuality and dealing with the affects of the things in Hell House, what we are trying to portray (as realisitic as possible) is that these things really do happen and they are apart of actual ppl’s lives. and that you can be free from the demonic-yes it is all there-those demons you see in Hell House are right here in the same room as you and me-but not visible. it’s all supernatural. I just pray that you begin to realize the truth and know that we are not trying to scare you into having a relationship with God. One day you really are going to face God all by yourself. and your friends that are there for you everyday won’t be there. you’re going to have to fess up to what you did with your life-good or bad-and whether you believe in Heaven and God and believe that Jesus died for you so you could be with God for eternity or don’t and whether you do or don’t believe in Hell or Satan…you know what, this is exactly what Satan wants, he wants you to think that we are trying to scare you. you know those things that happen everyday-all the bad things in the world- well, that is satan getting his way and when you have Jesus in your heart, you have authority over him in your life…bind him from your life and take authority over him in Jesus’ name, and he can’t mess with you. Ask God to open up your eyes to the truth and rebuke the enemy from keeping you blind. My life hadn’t been going too well lately, i had thoughts of suicide(but never really picked up anything to cut with, i was too scared to) and i had a lot of confusion going on in my life. Well, this year i am working up at the product table-selling glow sticks and such- and me and my two friends who also go to trinity and participate in Hell House decided to go through it. B/C we are involved, we get complimentary tickets. I came to realize that i needed to get my heart right with God. i had lots of things in my heart that didn’t please God and so when i was in the decision room with Mr. Larry and Victor, Saturday night, i decided to go through and get prayer. it really helped me-and i was saved. i mean, i already was saved(or as some call it- Christian)but you see, it was satan who was lying to me and i decided to believe those lies. and that’s exactly what Satan wanted. Don’t let satan influence your life like i let him do to me. do you know where you would go if you died today? it’s a serious subject and i pray that God reveals himself to you and his truth. May God bless you. I love you.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
This is the first year I get to go with my church and as the day draws closer I tend to get more scared!!! i hope i enjoy it!!
October 20th, 2006 at 12:16 am
A church in my area had something very similar years ago. I agree with patsy in that it isn’t really scare tactics…Of course in our case it scared us, being only around 10 or 11 years old at the time. They didn’t even care that we were alone and our parents had no say as to whether we were allowed to see this (we weren’t btw). Oh wow, I see young children viewers in this too. Trying to see a hollywood movie with a suicide, homosexuals, or drug use; An R rating would’ve been slapped on it but in the name of God it’s alright to subject children to this?
November 7th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Just saw this yesterday and laughed my guts out the entire way thru. It was a comedy right ?
Worst part is some of those female nuts are really hot - what a waste
February 1st, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Isn’t it interesting that when a ‘religious’ Christian has something to say or a point to make, they bury it in 3 paragraphs of dogma and disclipling that the point is quite lost on anyone? Btw, I am a Christian, just not one who believes in organized religion.
The whole ‘idea’ of Hell House ought to be so morally reprehensible in today’s society that even thinking of exposing your children to that would be grounds for a lawsuit/call to child services. And don’t tell me this isn’t aimed at children and young adults.
There, did it in two paragraphs.
February 1st, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Adamvan, you should REALLY check the dates on these articles, especially the last reply.
still agreed wholeheartedly
April 5th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
I am slightly shocked by the extreme nature of recruiting vunerable kids into the Church by having to point out all the unfortunate events that happen in the world and actually promoting places called ‘Hell Houses’
“This could happen to you if you don’t join us in our church”, is a statement based in fear and loss as well as other negative emotions.
To end this with a proverb I found today that is simple and thought provoking.
An old man said to his grandson,
“Boy, I have two tigers within me. One is love and compassion. The other is fear and anger.”
The young boy asked,
“Which one will win, Grandfater?”
The old man replied,
“The one I feed!”
April 5th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
” True freedom will exist when the last king has been strangled with the entrails of the last priest” (Robespierre)
One day all religion will be a quaint display in a museum to our species’ primitive superstitions. Then and only then will we be a truly dignified animal.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Just watched the movie and it is alternatingly frightening and laughable. I got the impression that these people are barely literate. I wonder if anyone told them that their “pentagram” was actually a star of david, or do they just think jews are devil worshippers. Hello, penta means five people.
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Ha - I agree with “Devout Atheist” - my sister and I just watched Hell House and also said to one another “isn’t that the Star of David?” Humor aside, it is quite sad that these people have twisted the Christian faith into something that is represented by their “hell houses.” Jesus taught love, not hate. Would Jesus have put on something like Hell House to prove his point? NO! Instead, Jesus taught love and compassion to get people to know G-d. Shame on you, Trinity Church, for misrepresenting Christ.
May 2nd, 2007 at 12:56 pm
I use to act in the Trinity Christian Hell House. It is a spirtual thing. You see things that you wouldnt of seen before. ITs all people you go to the church that act in it. Its a way to enjoy Halloween with all evil aside. Some people wont understand any other way. Besides that, this church does not judge.
May 2nd, 2007 at 5:01 pm
And the “Lie of the century” award goes to CoPilot for saying
Something more along the lines of ” church SHOULD NOT judge” would be more true, and slightly less preachy.
May 12th, 2007 at 6:06 am
So I’ve just decided I’m polyatheist. I believe in the lack of MANY gods. No god worth worshipping would allow this bullshit to exist in his name.
May 12th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Well, an atheist believes in no god, but even your run-of-the-mill monotheist believes in one particular god and no other.
May 12th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
yeah nice try snafu, but its probably best to keep it nice and simple. we dont wanna have tension between the athiests and the polyatheists now do we? lol, but i do share your sentiment, there are so many different religions to oppose…
namaste
October 31st, 2007 at 7:06 pm
I am watching this piece of crap right now. The scariest thing to me is that I live in the same area as these freaks. I am so afraid I am going to see them in the grocery store and be forced to tell them exactly what fools they are.
ROFLMAO- the “rave” scene is on right now. THis is the WORST piece of crap EVER.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:27 am
@ lee
Go for it. My favorite method of passing time in public transportation is having discussion about religion, especially because people can’t walk out on you when you’re winning.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
I had the opportunity to watch this film for my Sociology of Deviance class. All I have to say is THANK GAWD THAT I DON’T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS RELIGIOUS BULLSH*T PERSONALLY. The thought of people “scaring” you into or out of religion and imposing their beliefs onto other people is wrong.
We are all human. Who cares where we came from? Just be thankful that you’re here. You have free will. You can make your own decisions.
Sexual Preference is NOT a decision. It is something you are. Just like you do not choose what foods you like and don’t. It’s just born with you.
Abortion is a CHOICE. Let someone save their own life and the torment the child will have being born to someone who is not ready for it. Who are you to say what someone can or cannot do?
Ugh… This film just reassured how stupid religious freaks are.
Oh, and “what’s the name of that drug” IT’S ROHYPNOL. Geeze… look it up if you don’t know you ignorant people.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Nicely stated, Realist. Now, if these hate-mongers play true to form, you’ll be accused of “persecuting” them . . . if I’m reading the “arguments religions use when being shown their errors and hypocricies” card right. If not, it’ll be the “since you don’t believe you’ll burn in hell” argument or the “you don’t know what you’re talking about, regardless of the factual basis of your points” argument. They keep changing the order they use them in on me. . .
June 8th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Hello,
I was a cast member in the Cedar Hill Hellhouse for about a decade. I am now one of their more vocal opponents. Here are a few reasons for my complete transition:
1. The long term results don’t justify the negative press levied against level-headed Christians everywhere.
While Trinity touts the large number of conversions, the actual number of long term converts stemming from Hellhouse is miniscule.
2. Their use of scripture to defend Hellhouse is flawed.
Trinity often cites Jude :23 to justify their actions. The trouble with this is that the translation of Jude :23 is so dubious that most Bibles have an asterisk to inform the reader that the Greek text in the particular sentence Trinity uses is uncertain at several points. It is a very narrow interpretation of a singular verse to justify a large scale scare tactic. Of course, the fact that this church uses narrow interpretation should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been through Hellhouse, or seen the movie.
3. The Decision Room.
This was the actual issue that forced me to cut ties back in 2000. After scaring people for 45 minutes with gunshots, demons, blood, and human sacrifices, it is asinine to think that people will believe you that you won’t scare them any more if they don’t go through the door you’re prodding them to go through.
I have many more points, but I’ll spare you them for the sake of not writing a novel here.
I plan on writing a major article for the local press this October.
July 19th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Well I’d guess this would really scare you if you believed in “Satan”.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
‘Heaven for the climate, but hell for the company.’
-Machiavelli.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Let God’s Word speak for itself…
Romans 14:7-12 “For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:
” ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.’ “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.”
October 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
i just want u to know that hell house is not there just to scare u, it shows u the truth. and being a christian is about having a relationship with God, it’s not a “religion”. Religion is so empty and u may think that Christianity is just a bunch of rules but if u love someone wouldn’t you want to please them? By following God and doing as he says your pleasing him. And I love God.
Jesus luvs u! and God bless
October 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Oh, and also trinity church is not judging or showing hate through hell house. i guess since this video is so old you don’t see how it’s done now and you didn’t really see the whole thing. hell house is showing how demons influence peoples choices. they’re not saying the girl who got an abortion should be hated, they’re saying the demon attached to the sin is at fault. hate the sin, not the sinner.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Don’t ever claim your silly little belief system is truth. Truth can be tested and validated. Since you God and his “word” can be neither it is belief, not truth. Ignorant people like you are a big problem because you confuse knowledge with belief. No matter how much you belief the sky is orange, it’s not going to happen.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:06 am
i remember a couple of years ago i went to hell house but ours was on the gulfcoast.i took my two oldest and my neices they really got alot out of it.and im glad.because pear presure thease days is bad and im glad they got to go. but if your child is too younge then they wont understand any of it.me as the parent went threw with them and explained alot of it.but i wish they still had one here cause i have two other children growing up and i would love for them to exsperience it too.and most people that judge you are probable the ones that dont understand it.its trying to teach kids the fallouts of there actions before they happen.ya they hype it up a little but sometimes it takes scaring the crap out of us.because we all no it can really happen in life.so dont judge people cause you will only be judged when its your time and you will be judged by the write person then.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
If you’re children are as smart as your portray yourself in your post then it’d be better for the world if all of you were removed from the gene pool. There is no need to “scare the crap” out of people to get them to take a point. Fear is used by people who have no logical proof to support their claims. It’s amazing how you completely neglect that they viewpoint being espoused by the hell house is completely one sided. There is no alternative explained, only the worse case scenario. Hopefully, when you’re children grow up they will have the courage to question the foolishness you are putting them through now.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm
u can believe whatever u want to believe but by saying truth i meant that abortions and rapes and stuff happen everday so that is TRUTH. By showing that, it is showing truthful things that happen everyday. I happen to believe and know that God is real and if you don’t that’s okay. I hope and pray that you will one day believe some of what I believe.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
“abortions and rapes and stuff…” Quite a compelling argument you pose. How convenient that they don’t show other truths like people who live well never believing your silly little fairy tales. Just because corrupt things exist only goes to stand as more evidence that your God does not exist, or at least does not exist as the all-knowing, all-present, and all-good entity Christians believe him to be. Seems you’re beliefs are what is in error here, not my knowledge. Why don’t you do a little homework and find the difference between knowing something and believing something? Also, explain to be how you can do both. You might actually gain a bit of education.
P.S. Kudos on trying to lump abortions in the same category as rapes. That might work on simpler people but you are dealing with a higher caliber of individuals on this site.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
*blinks* Something is desperately wrong with people these days. I really don’t think this worked in converting me to Christianity. Just the opposite really.
Hell? What if I don’t believe in hell.
As for sexual preferance, how could loving someone ever be a sin? That’s just kinda stupid and illogical.
I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with this kind of stuff.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Post #3,
sidfaiwu Says:
October 5th, 2006 at 8:55 am
“Fear is a great motivator.
If you ask me, I find using fear as a motivator nothing short of immoral. As I’ve stated before, someone who is truly afraid is incapable of making a choice. Thus using fear as a motivator is imposing their will onto others by subverting their freedom to choose. The only difference between putting a gun to someone’s head to make them do something and the tactics Hell House is using to achieve the same is a matter of degree. The gun is simply better at subverting one’s free will.”
I just want to update this by posting it again.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I laugh at all of your ignorance on the subjects of God and your portrayal of what you think Hell House and Trinity is doing. Why don’t you try helping save someone yourselves for a change instead of criticizing the way someone is trying to do it. I doubt you’ve done that lately.
March 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
oneofyou, noting the name of this site, the laugh is actually on you and on those of your ilk. The audience here actually is obviously well versed in your god myth, and why it is a myth. The term “ignorance” is more appropriately applied to your own lack of knowledge.
Presenting the idiocy of religion actually is a worthy effort to “save someone”. It benefits the world to move people away from the idiocy of religion, and from the violence and hatred that is so prevalent in Christianity and Islam, as examples.
I doubt that you’ve thought critically about your religious beliefs and their negative impact on the world lately, or ever.
Religion is ridiculous.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Christan is not the only religion out there. so would you Christan stop try to fine ways to shove your religion down other people throat. i dont think your god want to scare people into you religion( im wicca)
March 21st, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I’m Christian but I don’t think it’s right to scare them into the faith. They should have a choice and become Christians because they love God, not because they were frightened into not wanting to go to hell! Grrr :(
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Someday the truth will be known by all - I can wait.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:45 am
i laughed so hard when they painted a “pentagram” and it was the star of david.
i mean, really??
August 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
You people have been brainwashed by Hollywood and the liberal media to hate God and religion. You accept homosexuality and abortion because the various media of the country tells you they are okay and those against it are wrong. Get your head out of the sand, perverts, and at least attempt to find the Truth.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
No, Mark, “we” have not been “brainwashed”. It’s just that we, unlike yourself, can see right through the nonsense and sheer inanity of your silly sky fairy fiction known as Christianity.
Your weak brain, however, could use some serious washing out to clear it of religion-borne fallacies.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
September 19th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Heaven House rather than Hell House
I am a Latter Day Saint/ Mormon and I just watched the documentary Hell House. I personally find it quite sad that people focus on the fear element of faith to such a great degree. It seems to me, that a lot of that language is the “milk before meat” that Paul describes. Notice, that the times when hell comes up in the epistles are when Paul is speaking to the most carnally minded and least spiritually developed saints. When Paul speaks to the communities that have most strongly taken to the gospel, his discourse with them speaks about perfection, becoming one with god and a focus on eternal joy. Unfortunately, we rarely ever rise above the carnal minded side of things.
The blog post I wrote about talks about an idea that I’d love to see happen in the real world. I really want someone from my faith–or from another–to make a “heaven house” which would focus on the loving side of the relationship with God and encourage one to appreciate the glory and grandeur of God. It may not have the Halloween shock value, but I ultimately view it as more spiritually useful and relevant.
September 19th, 2009 at 11:17 am
symphonyofdissent,
No thanks for your link spam. The utter absurdity, and for that matter, the fraudulent beginning, of the Mormon religion is well documented in many references. Here’s some introductory reading. Much more is available on that subject.
And here’s a starting point for your recovery from your sick and harmful religion. Enough people have been hurt by mormon doctrine already so it’s nice to know that there are escape routes and that there have been successful escapes from the church of latter day polygamy and idiocy.
Fear and an isolated community are pretty much all that keeps your sick religion going. Take your awful, ill-founded religion and shove it.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, the cowardly, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 am
post 55 i just want the candy because I think your lost. Korgan, how are you doing dude? there’s a plane flying over head and it’s dropping something… but you know me and I am glad your standing somewhere.
September 24th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I think it’s sad that some people can’t enjoy life because of all the guilt and fear.
September 24th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Hell House is utterly horrifying and pointless. Trinity Church should be ashamed of themselves.
September 24th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
hyrocket say’s to someone named Paige, I agree, though we believe differently. I think such resources should be used in such a way that enjoyment of life without guilt and fear, making the point towards “the love” that Jesus Christ has shown and hate the things He hates. In everything there is a purpose which some would disagree that it is pointless. I stand here gentlemen as a believer in “The Truth” that Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. Such belief will cause ripples with affect or effects through here. Live By The Sword or or live by the sword. There is only one way and I agree that my way will not be your way but realizing this, I am sad but means I can respect that and be firends, because I have been and seen what you have seen. What is horrifying and pointless is to live without God, who is Jesus Christ. In Him alone!
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not:”
“For he taught them as [one] having authority, and not as the scribes.”
September 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I am a Christian hyrocket. I just do not believe that Christianity should be spread through fear and guilt, but like you said, through showing people love. Many Christians today completely miss that message. It is that we are all sinners, but we can be forgiven. No Christian is perfect, but we all know where we going when we die, and we want everyone else to know this through our example as believers through service, love, respect, and sharing the grace of God. Trinity Church does a better job of giving the people on this website stuff to whine about than spreading Christianity.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
If you all don’t care about this stuff and believe in God, then why were you checking out this website? Why bother? Athiest spend more time on God more time and attention than Christians do. You’re always trying to prove somebody wrong.
Also, since when are real life events scare tactics. If you can’t handle the truth and you live in a fantasy world gaurded from everyday life and you want to be told a fairytale, then that is your choice. You choose to get scared. If you don’t believe in any of this then why would you get scared. It’s not real, right? But here you are reading these posts and talking about Hell House. Seems like people who didn’t care about something shouldn’t even bother.
September 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
this place was amazing
October 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I’m a former baptist minister. I quit the ministry and the church because of scandals and scare tactics. I no longer cling to any particular religion or dogma. As a pre-teen I worked in a Hell House at another church near Cedar Hill. It was a blast scaring people.
On a much earlier post someone said that “Trinty Church doesn’t judge.” Yeah, right. What happened to Trinity’s former pastor? (David Smith, I believe)After he and his staff admitted to having homosexual orgies w/ one another, why did he have to resign and leave the church? Oops, did I just give out one of y’alls dirty little secrets? Funny thing, that same HOMOSEXUAL pastor was the new head pastor next door to the church I was a minister at.
99% of Christians are only “saved” because they are scared of the possibilty of hell. Let’s face it, there is no devil or demons out there influencing us. We are these devils and evil forces that we blame for our bad decisions.
Korgan, you rock!!! Keep up the good work.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Too often we forget that morality is not acting based on the promise/threat of reward/punishment, but acting because one believes that it is the correct thing to do regardless of the outcome.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
ColdSoul, I ask you brother not to turn away from the faith you hold dear to your heart. I say to you don’t look to man for things you know about Our Saviour Jesus Christ. Lean on Him Brother ColdSoul. People to be saved and shown the Truth in Jesus,who has given us hope to eternal life. Don’t let the people around you go to hell. please brother help me.
October 8th, 2009 at 7:08 am
hyrocket, sister, it seems like yer a few marbles short of a full bag there or mebbe a bit too deep in the wrong sauce.
Yarrrrr. Fear not. The truth you claim lives not in bible stories but in pasta that you can have today. beer and tomato sauce aplenty too.
http://venganza.org is the site for you.
RAmen.
http://venganza.org
October 9th, 2009 at 1:58 am
Arrr, Wench Sal is a full bag of marbles… Harrr.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Yarrr, matey. That’s it, hyrocket girl. You too can talk like a pirate. Leave that silly guy on a stick story behind. Just bring that fork between yer teeth and come on over to http://venganza.org
for a full plate of the nourishing gospel of pasta.
But hands off my marbles, sister. I’s not yer type.
Harrrrrrrr.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
The U.S. employs freedom of speech. They are practicing their God given and U.S. given freedom and rights. If their message falls on stone so be it. If you don’t want to go, don’t nobody is forcing anyone. May they continue to serve their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and may the haters continue to serve their lord if they have one or their imagination.
God Bless you Trinity!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
CDH, pretty clear in the article and this thread that the message from Hell House is mainly one of hate. So also is the Christian message, or at least large parts of it, loud ‘n clear. Don’t try to wrap that ole Christian hate behind the fair cloak of free speech.
Throw all the costless and worthless “blessings” you like at us, but the real Christian message has been revealed. Here with free speech we can comment freely on your message of hate.
October 26th, 2009 at 3:14 am
1st and foremost, Props to Trinity Church for their display of what really goes on in the world. To any god-hater, or skeptic, saying that these things rarely happen, youre blind, and I pray that you find truth. Truth is, whether youre christian or not, your kids, your siblings and your neighbors will face real life versions of the scenarios displayed in the hellhouse so to say this is merely a “scare tactic” is ridiculous. If thats the case the the news, history books, and education period is a mere scare tactic and by your own logic should be banned from society.
2nd of all, these kids arent forced to go, and 90% of these kids are ALREADY in church before they make it to the event. Hellhouse is meant to check you on a personal level, because alot of “christians” portray themselvves to be followers, yet still delight in their iniquities. Hellhouse only shows what CAN happen when iniquity is in full force, for the wages of sin is death.
3rdly, to any “christian” swayed by the intellectual nonsense posted by the blind, have not been in their word. The blind cant lead the blind, so why are you even contemplating on these hardened hearted theories? Get yourselves together and search the word for yourself together and be in prayer, for if your faith was tested here, then you’re gonna have a hard time when you face opposition in the physical.
October 26th, 2009 at 8:15 am
The devil inspired this horrible film. Hate, ignorance and violence. Would Jesus like this?
October 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Re post 72, google on “No True Scotsman Fallacy” and do some reading. Your post is full of this basic fallacy and others, and your post is nonsense.
Re post 73, how is it that your omnipotent god can’t suppress this “devil”? Furthermore, your bible prescribes some very wicked violence, so don’t blame the outcome on a “devil” when people take your awful book of horrors as life guidance.
Religion is ridiculous.
October 27th, 2009 at 11:35 am
How about instead of using the consequences of sin to scare people towards Christianity you use the rewards of obedience and the love of Christ. It seems like a complete misrepresentation of what being a Christian is all about.
October 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Erin, that might be an OK suggestion if the Christian god was a loving one, but overwhelming evidence from the bible shows that Christian god, in jesus form and otherwise, is quite the asshole. Here’s a great reference about your “loving” entity
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
and it’s from the New Book of Horrors at that, not the old testament, so don’t try saying jesus didn’t support it. It is you doing the misrepresentation of Christian doctrine.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:28 am
Religion = man made = wrong and corruptable
God and Jesus = Heaven = saved
Clearly stated in the Bible.—Devil has power on earth. Each person must choose.
God taught obiedience, Jesus taught love and compassion.
Trinity Church is teaching fear…fire and brimstone. Jesus did not teach this way.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Actually, Bob, the Jesus of your Christian fictions purportedly did teach with said fire and brimstone, or at least with similar cruelty and vengeance.
This prior link already demonstrates the point, in spades. Again,
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
I sure wouldn’t want to be saved by such an asshole of a god that your beliefs describe. Hardly a loving creature.
And again, just how is it that your purportedly omnipotent god can’t do away with this troublesome devil? (Hint: the answer is that the god that you follow is pure fiction).
Religion is ridiculous.
October 30th, 2009 at 8:38 am
No one is forcing you to go. It’s not a scare tactic, it’s “reality”, and some people don’t like to face it. Why should you be scared of real life scenarios, when it happens every day, or maybe “YOU” feel convicted, knowing the truth all along.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
“trinity member ch”, posts 1 through 4 in this thread, just to get started, already abundantly explain why what your church does is wrong, and why your post 79 is invalid. Not to mention your thinly veiled scare statement “knowing the truth”, which is both another scare tactic itself and the logical fallacies of Pascal’s Wager wrapped together. See e.g. here to start learning about that, even though it pains me to have to point out this common fallacy again here.
Unless you can rebut those posts 1-4 in detail, which you have not done thus far, your post 79 is worthless.
Furthermore, once you get done with responding to 1-4, maybe you can start to address the evil and sheer cruelty that your religion represents. Again, have a look here, and open your eyes to reality, for a change:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
The cruelty and evil that your religion stands for is very obvious. It’s high time for the world to leave the evils of Christianity behind. Your particular sect of it is a particularly bad one.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
October 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
But this isn’t reality. Or even “reality”. It’s simplistic, lurid, nightmare religio-porn that’s a little too aroused by its own depravity, and convinced that everyone else harbors the exact same demons. The abortion segment looks like it was dreamed up by someone who hasn’t left their parents’ basement in a very, very long time. Abortions don’t involve fully formed babies, buckets of blood, and a conscious and screaming patient overseen by uncaring, sadistic health care providers. That’s utterly absurd and dishonest, and it makes me wonder why anyone would entrust their immortal soul to a belief system with such a dim grasp of truth and reality. If this church can’t even get its basic facts right, why should we trust their claims about heaven and hell?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Korgan,your notion of this “no true scotsman fallacy” is out of context and a weak attempt to devalidate a statement that you have no comprehension of. You’re blinded by your own pride and self-assured, exaggerated intellectualism, so why would you try to search out a discrepancy(false discrepancy, I might add) which had nothing to do with you or your beliefs? Is it because perhaps you lacked a rebuttal which was relevant to your beliefs? You can open up your college debate book and scour its pages to attempt to establish an intellectual superiority if you feel led, however I’ll have you know that it will be in vain, because logic and reason have nothing to do with spiritual subjects, simply because faith, being the substance of things HOPED for, and of things NOT seen, there is a lack of any LOGICAL evidence thereof, So to try to rationalize a spiritual topic(which you’ve been trying to do throughout this whole thread) is pointless… is it not?
October 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
WrecklessTX, exactly which statement is it that you are claiming that I “have no comprehension of”? Provide a quote of the statement. Or just fuck off and go away, asshole.
You fear debate and you try to declare discussion of spirituality to be out of bounds because you know that the sky fairy god that you worship will get exposed for the silly and absurd fiction that it is. The discussion continues, and your argument fails.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
October 31st, 2009 at 7:16 am
more cowbell,
Great post 81. Well said.
Especially “It’s simplistic, lurid, nightmare religio-porn that’s a little too aroused by its own depravity, and convinced that everyone else harbors the exact same demons.”
And great name you have picked. Thanks: all together, that post made my day.
October 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Once again:
Faith lacks evidence
Without evidence one cannot establish fact
Without fact one cannot establish knowledge
Without knowledge one has ignorance
Faith is belief based in ignorance
October 31st, 2009 at 10:40 am
Thanks, Korgan. Re: depravity, I’ve long suspected that behind every witch hunt, there’s a witch. :) I appreciate your posts as well, ’specially all that fancy pants book larnin’ and fallacy spotting. Keep up the great work!
October 31st, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Check out my Blog post on why the church has got its panties in a bunch because of Halloween!
http://wp.me/pvOWi-4W
Thanks!
November 5th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Yes, Resort to insults to evade a good point. I thought you were a student of debate, not an answer dodger. Its ok though, because you can continue to avoid valid responses and keep your heart hardened if you desire, Jesus STILL loves you and I pray that you will have changed before the day of judgement.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
WrecklessTX, regarding valid responses, so far all your post content has been full of standard, well known fallacies. This has been pointed out to you very specifically, and you have been unable to respond with any substance. So it is demonstrated that it is you who has evaded debate. MarcDLS’s post has another specific about the flaws in your posts thus far.
Now, your latest post contains yet another fallacy. You include the common Christian threat of a “judgement day.” That is in essence the fallacy known as Pascal’s Wager, betting on the existence of god. Do some googling to understand why that is a failed argument for your god. You need to do a better job of preparing yourself for debate, before you post yet more silly Christian drivel here; so far, you have simply been out of your depth.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
To go into greater detail, or to spell the point out for you, the human mind hates a vacuum. In the absence of an answer, or knowledge, people will create an answer simply to attempt to give a meaning to the event and, transitively, a sense of control over the event. It is not the dark that people fear, but what might be lurking in it. Religion is a conglomeration of such imaginative explanations. To take my previous statement backwards one step: religion is based in faith, and faith is based in ignorance. Therefore, religion is based in ignorance. It’s not meant as an insult to say this, merely stating the obvious. Furthermore, one who is ignorant can always learn, though one must wish to first.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
MarcDLS, i disagree with you and if you take out religion what would you have, chaos. can you explain to me what faith is when religion is not in it? faith is in everyone but it is where you put that faith in. you say, “a sense of control over the event. It is not the dark that people fear, but what might be lurking in it. Religion is a conglomeration of such imaginative explanations.”
Like Korgan’s catch phares and what Krista say’s “THEMSELVES” you have the heart of your “imaginative explanations”. the faith i would like to share is not in you but is from God, from above and from the cross and in the blood. How many faith’s are there in this world and I say there is many but when you “put your faith in the ONE” Jesus will show you what it means to truly have faith. If we all don’t have faith we are all ignorant. i agree with korgan “Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.” I say, have a relationship on the “The One” who loves you.
The shooting today at Fort Hood is a good example when faith in based in what you say is lurking in the dark.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
The hyrocket-bot has already been dealt with in prior posts such as this one. No new material, just more spewing of the same old unsupported nonsense, is in its latest posts.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
It takes a believer to exploit a tragedy and a religion to justify it.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Without religion to provide people with false hope and lies we would be left with a large number of people to search for the true answers in life.
November 7th, 2009 at 5:38 am
Having read an article in The Times newspaper here in the UK, I feel compelled to write something here. The debate has been amusing to say the least. Perhaps if we had sent the Pastors and Revs from Ireland and the US involved in many proven child molestation cases to these places, then they wouldn’t have committed these crimes? Here in UK and Europe we seem to be moving on from the Victorian times with regards to religion. We find it both interesting and at the same time frightening when we see such things on the TV or in the newspaper. How can such people who are supposed to love thy neighbour (except if they are gay, had an abortion, taken drugs etc etc…the list gets longer) apply such hatred to certain groups of people? To say that because a girl isn’t in the church would mean her getting raped is plain stupid. I bet a raped girl in the Trinity Church would have to keep a baby? I couldn’t think of anything worse for the victim to have a constant reminder of a day that should be forgot. It isn’t right that to further your cause, that you should attack certain groups of people in order to attract new recruits. A problem in the US is religion is everywhere and used by those in power as a way to present themselves better to voters. We have become very secular here, yes religion is there but in a much weaker and measured way.
As a gay man who has been in a relationship for over 10yrs which is coincidentally legally recognised here in the UK as we have Civil Partnerships, there isn’t a choice of am I or aren’t I? Its in my genes, its in my make up and was there long before any external factors. More often than not , the question many gay people have around the world is, can I be truthful and honest to those we love by telling them or are issues with regards to where you live going to mean a life of lies? Abortion isn’t an issue even on voters minds here, neither is sexuality, it is now normal to have gay people on mainstream politics, TV and the likes, it doesn’t even register! Again, in the US misinformation is a real problem, news channels are bias and to try and get an even debate is hard find. An age old question is how old is the earth? Many choose to disagree with the fact and proof of fossils found from millions of years ago and say it is much less. Creationism, thankfully does not have a foothold here and is certainly not taught in schools.
I respect religion and the comfort that it brings to some, but thats where it should end. People have the right to choose their lives for themselves, as people like Trinity Church and others have to right to practice their chosen religion. They have no place in politics or dictating to people on how lives should be lead. By leaving people like this to show their true colours and spurting hate as they do and to not react all the time will side line them and they will fade away. Your country is young, don’t worry in years to come the day of what the vicar says is 100% true and un-questionable will seem like something from another era, an era before true enlightenment.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Anthony, thank you for your post and the encouraging witness that you provide that other parts of the world are leaving religious enthrallment behind. You even provide a glimmer of hope that the Trinity Church followers will eventually do likewise, and I hope you are right.
Often in the US, as you are clearly aware, it is discouraging for us to see news of people still stuck in Christian dogma and other religious myths, to an extreme degree (particularly in the southern US, but not just there). Your post, and the popularity here of recent books by Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Christopher Hitchens, and others on the same vein of debunking religious idiocy (as this present website does), give one hope that as the US matures as a society, the superstitions of the past will lose their sway over people.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
hell house is a grate expreance it show what pepel go though every day of are lives