It is time to add yet another chapter in the Muhammed caricature saga. Once again Danes lead the way as their People’s Party youth wing is caught ridin’ dirty. The People’s Party is the 3rd most popular in Denmark. You can read more about them here. The videos are available at the end of the article.
It started back in 2005 when Martin K, in association with Wooloo Productions and Defending Denmark, joined the youth faction of the Danish People’s Party. His job to was to study the party and gain a better understanding of their right wing associations. To do this, Martin attended various party meetings over the course of 18 months and videotaped what he could.
In September of 2006, Defending Denmark wanted to confront the Danish People’s Party with the information and video that Martin had acquired. Upon having their entry denied, Defending Denmark gave them one last chance at talks. When they refused, Defending Denmark posted some of the video footage for the entire world to see.
The videos depict what was essentially a cartoon contest among party members. They drew cartoons of a camel wearing the head of Muhammad and beer cans for humps. A second drawing placed a turbaned, bearded man next to a plus sign and a bomb, all equaling a mushroom cloud.
As expected these videos have been taken off most web sites including YouTube. Fortunately I have obtained all four videos. They will remain on this site as they are necessary to understand whatever fallout the Islamic community will unleash.
But more importantly, I want a discussion around this issue and not just a bashing of Denmark and Muslims. Should Muslims see these outlashes at Muhammed as a cry for discussions on Islam and integration and acceptance in Europe. Or should Muslims react the way they have in the past so it doesn’t happen again. Is there more to these cartoons than just the act of insulting a "prophet"?
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“Or should Muslims react the way they have in the past”
I have a sneaky feeling that will be the case.
Those silly videos were on every danish news-station all the time for the week (last week) this “scandal” was hot news.
There hasn’t been much uproar over it, the biggest thing i saw on the news was some random guy from a largely muslim country saying they will start a total boycut of danish goods… again.
But last time it took several monhts between the news hit danish media, and the wacky rioting started.
note: that youth party thing doesn’t have any direct connection to the main goverment party, besides sharing the same ideas about politics and sometimes getting a visit from someone at the main goverment party for some random event.
During the last uproar about danish cartoons, many protesters were warmed to the cause by cartoons that weren’t even in the original Danish newspaper. They were made up by Islamists seeking to fuel the fire. I daresay that if the islamic world needs a reason to wage protest or holy war at someone, an actual cause isn’t a necessity. They can make one up any time.
Re those Danish party youths engaging in a cartoon contest: They are nothing short of abysmally stupid, of course. But have you seen cartoons from the islami world that have the western world, or particularly Jews, as their subject? Have you seen how especially the latter are being portrayed in Arabic children’s shows beamed all over the Near East and Europe as well? Not to mention the programme for the grown ups.
I don’t like religious intolerance of ANY flavor, whether directed at Muslims, Christians, Atheists or Pastafarians. I may think the belief in an invisible cloud being is silly and counterproductive to humanity, but it’s not my place to be intolerant of them.
just saw the news.
There appears to be some activity:
some indonesian muslim counsil is outraged and wants to put denmark to some international court or something, didn’t quite understand what they meant (the danish journalist talking danish). A fun quote from the head of thost indonesian muslim counsil: he says this videos says that some people in the west aren’t ready to live peacefully side by side with others.
Also, a series of danish websites have been hacked to display generic muslim slogans.
Also, when they showed the video they had blurred out the offensive parts, which was just about all of it, meaning they showed a 5sec video where the only thing you could make out was some grass at the bottom.
This was about 10 secs of a 15min newsreport.
It boggles the mind that humans haven’t rendered themselves extinct over people willing to got to war over a cartoon. What next?
wow….danish youth=new nazis? or danish youth= bored kids with pot?
@staplesmcjesus
there is no doubt that there are radical right movements in europe that are becoming increasingly strong. but, do consider the european problem. most european countries have rapidly growing muslim minorities (once again they either need to start watching more tv or start using condoms). look at what the muslims are doing in france. that is on the extreme end of the problem, but its an indicator of whats going to happen all over europe. there is bound to be a backlash against muslims. the truth is, we don’t want them in europe, period. europeans fought many years ago to keep the turks out of europe, and now they are invading all over again with slightly different methods.
the truth is, we don’t want them in europe, period, thats a little harsh isnt it? some people yes are bad but not all, and like you said radical rights movements are becoming stronger because maybe they need better rights?
and my post before the last one was a joke,
What it boils down to is this. Those people were just expressing their opinion, and from what I gather it was a private thing right? The guy that filmed it INFILTRATED the event right? If so, HE was the wrong one. Those people were just privately expressing an opinion. You may not like it, but they hurt no one. As long as they continue to hurt no one (and I mean other than some slobs feelings) then where is the problem?
As far as muslims rioting over it? There isn’t a lot you can do to prevent it. The ones that want to riot will find some reason to, and they are just plain violent animals. Keep in mind I am referring to the rioting ones only. They should have their asses kicked in and thrown in jail where all violent for no good reason belong. And yes, someone insulting your ridiculous little religion is not a good reason to riot.
Have I offended enough people yet? If not, I can try again. None of this was said with the express intention of offending anyone, it is my true opinion. If that offends you, then go stick your head in the sand until you asphyxiate. There, did that do it?
By the way, you may notice a faint undercurrent of anger in my previous post. Ok, quite a bit more than faint.
People often ask me why I am so angry at christianity. The answer is I am not anger at christianity. I am angry at all religion. When you have a belief that allows you to justify rioting and destroying innocent peoples property and even killing people that haven’t done a damn thing to you all because some person made an insulting cartoon about your god, or your prophet, or whatever, there is a MAJOR problem.
That stupid republican chick said that homosexual marriange was the most important issue facing us today. That the future is grim if we dont do something about it. The sheer stupidity of that remark by itself astounds. Especially when we have something like THIS going on. Frankly, I see religion that just cant seem to keep to it’s damn self as the biggest issue we have facing us today. And her religion is as big a problem as islam.
So yes, I am angry at religion.
To staplesmcjesus:
“wow….danish youth=new nazis? or danish youth= bored kids with pot?”
…Try “bored and indifferent kids with lots of beer”.
the reason some people are offended is that every news station showed the videos over and over.
And the part of those youths being nazies: the danish people’s party main policies are about restricting people immigrating into denmark, and since most immigrants are from largely muslim contries, they have gathered more support by supporting laws that oppress muslims, like the 24-year law.
So a youth orginazation that supports that particular party is probably the closest you get to nazies short of people who actually admit they are.
Micheal: I would have to agree. Religious based intolerance is the root of most of the war we have on earth right now. So much blood spilled over a “My God is better than your God” game. If religions just kept their teachings to things like love God and help your fellow man that would be great. Instead it is love your God and hate anyone who doesn’t believe in the same God. And of course hate gays, regulate sex, and pretend you are actually holy.
On the one hand i feel like drawing some more cartoons just to drive the point home that we WILL not have our right to make fun of anything be taken from us!
On the other hand i think we should give those stupid moslems a break before they start believing that they should burn their TVs and Radios, not buy a newspaper EVER (let alone a computer or internet connection) and end up countries worse than the 3ed worled!
Religious tolerance is a thing of the past, it seems. I’m all for multi-culturalism, but as a way of bringing people together – in the UK at the moment, people seem to be creating their own ghettoes and fighting integration. I’m offended when traditional British customs are toned down or curtailed in case of offending the Muslim community. If I was in Saudi Arabia, I would accept that I can’t have a beer, respect the culture and laws of the country I’m in. I would ask for the same courtesy in my own country. Don’t join in if you feel uncomfortable, but let me have a beer and send a Christmas card in peace.
what they are doing is out of pure ignorance, they are very disrespectful towards muslims, i would hate for any one to make fun of christianity.
Exactly what are they ignorant about?
A drawing contest is what you get when people say “you can’t draw my God and if you do we will get you”. Quite a healthy reaction really.
I myself have drawn Mohammed plenty of times since the cartoon crisis. It may be that today nobody dares draw a dead prophet again in Denmark but not in my home.
gasmonso,
You seem to be such a stalwart supporter of freedom of speech, why don’t hold a “Old Testement and Talmud” cartoon contest? Let’s see what kind of reation you would get.
The cartoon controversy got a lot of media attention, but the trials of men trying to reveal the truth in Denmark is not being discussed as much. I know there are some who will make exuses for the Danish government and claim they were leaking confidential documents, but if the government is making false public statements that will lead to the destruction of another country, then these men had a right to reveal this information. These men are being put on trial for embarrassing the Danish Prime Minister. Will Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen be put on trial for his lies?
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6143794.stm
whatever the hell it is it doesnt not mean that ANYONE should make fun of anothers religon. the ISLAM religon is a peaceful one and you know what whoever is wrong will get his payback from ALLAH as what happened to the Mohamed cartoonists. he was driving his car and the highway fell and he was the only one who died. what does that mean to you.
“what they are doing is out of pure ignorance, they are very disrespectful towards muslims, i would hate for any one to make fun of christianity.”- justin
we would NEVER think about making fun of christianity because we believe in jesus too. and if anyone does make fun of ANY religon they are the ones with no religon because they have NO respect towards anyone and themselves
oh and SO WHAT if the muslims do what they have done in the past
So, PROUDMUSLIM, you would make fun of other religions which do not have Jesus? That wouldn’t be very respectful, would it?
“the ISLAM religon is a peaceful one and you know what whoever is wrong will get his payback from ALLAH”
that made me laugh out loud. its amazing that you can contradict yourself in the same sentence.
Yeah, I lolled to.
to adress on very old quote, that says it way better then the new ones who mean the exact same thing
This makes me sad, It really does.
it IS your place to be intollerant of anything bad for society. People can do to themselves whatever they want. You want to smoke pot, do heroine, have sex with someone of the same sex, worship Allah, Shiva Jahweh, drink a liter of rum every morning or bash brick walls with your forehead? GO AHEAD, as long you do NOT harm other people with it.
Religion, misguided as it may be, is fine by me, but keep it in your bedroom. As soon as you start teaching other people, or children, that they shouldn’t be inquisitive, that they shouldn’t doubt what is being told to them, the intire human race suffers from it.
Organised religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity. It killed more people then the Plague for crying out loud.
Someone draws a cartoon to ridicule archaic beliefd, bad for society, without ever insulting anyone personally, and people start rioting in the streets. What else can do that but religion?
In another light.
Why do we frown on, and even persecute people, for believes white males are superior to all others? Why do we shun people who say jews are to blame for all evil in the world? The list can continue, but you get the idea.
If we have an idea about those lifestyles, why should religion be exempt from the same scrutiny?
@irishthunder
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July 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
“the ISLAM religon is a peaceful one and you know what whoever is wrong will get his payback from ALLAHâ€
that made me laugh out loud. its amazing that you can contradict yourself in the same sentence.
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whats so amazing?… PROUDMUSLIM didnt contradict his prev statement.
all he was sayin was that whoever does evil will be paid back. every religion teaches that… so again whats so amazing?
@ I Are
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I Are Says:
July 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
So, PROUDMUSLIM, you would make fun of other religions which do not have Jesus? That wouldn’t be very respectful, would it?
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PROUDMUSLIM mentioned in his last sentence tht anybody who’d insult ANY religion is one who doesnot respect anyone(and thus does not deserved to be respected). That means hes not one to insult ANY religion regardless of whether they have anything commmon in their believes or not.
Well… Forgive me for cherry picking. But you guys doing it too, cherry picking, why can’t I?
i think what’s so amazing is all them “freedom fighters” who kill innocent people and hide behind islam. what Proudmuslim says is true. islam is a peaceful religion, as are all religions.
now what i would like to see is muslims express more religious/social tolerance that they demand from everyone else. maybe it’s on a person to person basis, but what i get from them is “if you don’t believe in islam you go to hell”
oh and @ proudmuslim
i’ll have to say though, muslims are by far the bitchiest group of people on the face of the earth.
Its not religion that caused the problems in the first place, its human nature. don’t you get real angry with someone just keeps contradicting you and doesn’t take your advice? If you don’t then you’re a saint.
Think about it this way. Judaism has very little terrorists/extremists and is very old. it’s in old age.
Christianity has a bit more extremists than Judaism, but not enough to seriously endanger a group. its in middle age.
And Islam, has not a lot, but a lot more than Judaism, and its about 400-500 years younger than Christianity, so basically its a teenager.
How do teenagers feel sometimes?
1. Frustration that people don’t think like you.
2. A feeling that making other people think like you will make everything easier.
3. Feel like the world is coming down on you
4. lashing out at any insult no matter how minor.
Think about it . Eventually there will be less extremists and hopefully less religious tensions.
Aura, your one of the few people (along with me and most readers of this site) that notices the timeline these religions don’t share. Given time im sure islamic extremism will die down, but if many of us already see the faults of this religion, why allow the hatred and slaughter to continue? Lets not forget that you never know when a new cult will jump up to take the islamic extremists place, god help us if the mormons or scientologists ever became powerful.
so yomomma, if you think muslims are the bitchiest group
then i think you r a 2faced bitch i’ve ever known before
by the way aura the religion islam was there waay before
judaisum and christianity so get your facts right.
u might wanna do your research right before you reply
again. have’nt u heard the quote “think before u speak”
so ulrik why do u like drawing muhammed
bubbles, Muhammad was born in the late 500′s AD. Seriously, you could have googled that in all of 5 seconds.
This is an interesting topic, and at least for the most part people are speaking respectfully here.
Bubble, you really do have to get you’re facts straight. Islam came much after Judaism and Christainity.
alcari, I think it is insulting people personally because they worship the Prophet.
I mean, if that religion is part of the person, isn’t it insulting them personally then?
Hello Riz,
Not at all. Just as a political cartoon that lampoons a particular political party is not insulting any members of that party. Same goes for one’s favorite sport’s team, one’s economic philosophy, or any other realm of human thought. There is no reason religion should enjoy some special privilege that insulates it from criticism.
“so ulrik why do u like drawing muhammed”
It’s a way of saying that I don’t like men who rape, kill and enslave other people and at the same time claim to be prophets and that everybody must obey them or they will burn in hell.
Making cartoons is really not a big deal – Muhammed should have been tried and put in prison for crimes against humanity.
sidfaiwu, I see what you’re saying. But I mean, you could say the same thing about race then, and that would be classified as racism don’t you think?
Riz, you can support a team and change the team you support, you can change your religion, philosophy and other things, but can you change your race?
There in lies the difference.
Well, that was pretty much my point as well, thanks guys.
Also, being white/black/yellow/brown/whatever doesn’t harm society in any way, while practicing religion, and converting/inducting children definatly does harm humanity as a whole.
jagannath, that’s a well said point, and I can agree with that.
Alcari, I think in many ways religion does harm society as a whole especially since certain countries have extremely strict laws (some of which are only bias interpretations from holy texts), however I think it is possible to practice you’re own religion without harming anyone.
“Alcari, I think in many ways religion does harm society as a whole especially since certain countries have extremely strict laws (some of which are only bias interpretations from holy texts), however I think it is possible to practice you’re own religion without harming anyone.”
Since you acknowledge the negative effects of religion(I’m pretty impressed)let me throw this hypothetical to you. Would the world than be better off with less or no religion?
To make a slightly exaggerated comparison, I also think it’s perfectly possible to be a skinhead nazi without hurting anyone, but of them don’t manage.
but it’s not just about the laws, it’s about the whole mindset. Religion actively discourages individual thought, counters scientific advance and represses inquisitiveness.
hmmmmm.
Islamic religion IS violent and intolerent, if you read the koran. A few quotes:
IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.
IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.
XVI.8: We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers.
Also, objectivly, islamic is the biggest source of problems in the world (especially europe). It’s not what i think, the facts prove it!
Look at the news, hundreds of people die every day following islamic suicide bombers.
They come to European countries, then act all bitchy and create chaos.
I have nothing against the religion, i just want extremists to grow up.
“Also, objectivly, islamic is the biggest source of problems in the world (especially europe). It’s not what i think”
Thats not really “objectiv”, islam is just at a different point in it’s life-span. Christianity has taken its fair share of lives(spanish inquisition?). No need to worry, just like the religions of ancient Greece and Egypt, eventually people will realize it’s all a fairy tale.
I don’t understand why you specifically highlight Islam as a violent religion, when there are equally many examples from real life and scriptures that point out Christianity as a violent religion as well. For example, in Deuteronomy:
And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword
Psalms 137:9
Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock.
There are more, but I think you get the idea.
Adam:
“I don’t understand why you specifically highlight Islam as a violent religion, when there are equally many examples from real life and scriptures that point out Christianity as a violent religion as well.”
The NT only has one violent phrase:
“I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”
In comparison the Quran has 164 calls for holy war and violence.
By the way where on earth do you see “equally many examples” of christian violence?