The infamous Kids on Fire summer camp in North Dakota, made infamous by the movie Jesus Camp, has been officially shut down (for now). The camp’s director, Becky Fischer, said the movie Jesus Camp sparked such outrage that she feared for her safety and that of the kids attending the camp.
Last October, after the film’s release, the camp was hot by vandals who caused $1,500 in damage. Fischer even asked the distributors of "Jesus Camp" not to release the film in Bismarck for fear of reprisal from locals.
While I don’t condone violence against this camp or its patrons, I am very glad to see this freak show closed down. The harm done to these kids is far greater than the $1,500 worth of damage on the campground.
I’d like to hear from everyone on this. Christians, from what you know about this camp, are you glad it’s closed? As for you Atheists, you’re going to hell anyway so don’t bother commenting ;)
Also, if you’ve seen the movie please share your thoughts. And if you’ve been to the camp or know someone that has, please contact me.
Thanks to Humanistic Jones for the tip.
Related posts:
- Camp Out–Where It’s Ok To Drop The Soap
- My Kid Is Going To Jesus Camp!
- The Evolution Of Summer Camp
- Jesus Ain’t Never Drove!
- What Would Jesus Not Wear?
That’s awesome – books are such a positive influence on children especially if introduced at a young age. If I’m lucky enough to have kids when I’m older, I’ll read to them as much as possible (oh and good music is essential too . . .)
As for the Bible and other religions, definitely not as a young child. If he/she grows up and finds it, then I guess that’s fine. Certainly no radical camps anyway. “Harry Potter would be stoned to death if he lived in the time of the old Testament!” – I mean wtf?! Fundamentalists are like book-burning Nazis sometimes.
Jayman said,post 50 “only perhaps to point out what a horrible and mostly tediously boring fairytale it is!”
Jayman, the most important research book you can find and you completely ignore it. i would tell you that the beginning of knowledge and understanding in putting the bible as your cornerstone in your life. The wonderful precious life you talk about is the way life you wish for these girls to have in this world. if you say you have an open mind then the truth in knowledge would be found in the bible and therefore should be one. i would be happy to send you a colourful bible for kids that is “exciting”.
Hyrocket – I know that last post was directed at Jayman but I wanted to interject. The Bible does provide an array of good morals. However it doesn’t have to be the foundation for a good lifestyle. One can lead a contented, happy and knowledgeable life and teach their children to do the same without basing all of it upon Biblical teachings. Don’t misunderstand me, I think that the Bible can be helpful – but it isn’t the beginning of all tolerance and education.
The one major flaw that religion has is that it tends to radicalise small groups of people. These people then stray away from the teachings of their scripture and come to despise all that is different. Most followers are impervious to this however some people might be unwilling to chance this. They raise their kids in the absence of religion to avoid such problematic traits from ever surfacing in their young. Of course they might offer many other reasons, such as a general distrust of religion, to explain why they don’t expose their kids.
Well the bottom line is that you don’t have to be religious to be a tolerant and loving person.
“Jayman, the most important research book you can find and you completely ignore it. i would tell you that the beginning of knowledge and understanding in putting the bible as your cornerstone in your life.”
Its ok hyrocket, ive read the bible and have decided that its largely self-contradictory gibberish with lashings of dangerously narrowminded dogma. I’d no sooner give her a bible than i would give her a koran or occultist/satanist writings – i dont wish to brainwash my daughter thanks.
Jayman, fair enough. the offer stands if you ever change your mind. just ask PW for my email-ok’d by me PW.
Thanks Eleu, point taken but things i talk about are from the eternal stand point we all will face. The value of life runs deeper than just the now.-that’s all.
Hyrocket – The eternal life and judgement stance is one that does unsettle many people. Can I ask you a question – do you embrace or reject one of the Christian beliefs that is centered around universal salvation? (Universal salvation meaning that the judgement will concern only how you have lived your life, where it is irrelevant which faith you have followed.)
I just want to clarify what kind of belief you hold. You are very vocal across all topics on this blog. Just wanted some context, that’s all . . .
Hello Eleu, on post 53 you said,
[...] after the documentary was exposed to the public Jesus Camp closed its doors. [...]
This is the definition of a cult, plain and simple. These kids were being brainwashed into an army of mindless sheep. The same tactics were used by Hitler and Al-Qaeda, where fear is the main ingredient used to strengthen the message and mold behavior. If this camp hadn’t been closed these kids would have ended up starting a Holy War like Al-Qaeda or dying in a mass suicide/murder like the victims of Jonestown and the Branch Dividians.
Just watching the doco again. I have to say it was scarier the first time funnier the second. I hope all those kids grow up to be real human beings. Thank goodness for the internet huh?
Agree with Thecults here. This is brainwashing 101. Basic psychology. Good on that young blonde kid for having doubts. Shame on the camp for making him feel guilty for it. But that’s how you control people. Peer pressure.
All fanatics are the same no matter the religion. And adults abusing kids this way are not doing it for God. They do it to make themselves feel important. I am sure this does not represent the bulk of the religion. But very scary anyway.
I know that it may look scary, to you of course if you have not experienced the love of God, or how it feels for him to be in your heart, it may seem as though. The way those children acted, I believe with all my heart, was the spirit of God. Not hurting them, but healing them, being with them, loving them. And I have experienced that love many a time. I am about 15, and will tell you right now that I am a very open minded person and have had my doubts about things. But when I look at these kids I cannot help but to trust in God that he is going to use these children and he has a plan. The first time through that I watched this movie I didn’t once think that this was “mental abuse” because, in fact, I have seen and experienced it myself. But when I read what people have to say on this page I can kind of see where you guys are coming from. And I just pray that God will bless everyone on this page that has doubt in their heart.
Emily, it seems your notions of god are at odds with what the Christian bible claims.The Christian god of the bible myths is rather obviously violent and vengeful, as presented in detail here. This point comes up often on this site, and really isn’t in question.
Just to cite a few examples of the sheer nastiness and brutality of the Christian god-myth, we have from the above reference:
# God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and “all flesh wherein there is breath of life.” He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
# God repeats his intention to kill “every living substance … from off the face of the earth.” But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
# God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears — all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
# God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram’s lie. 12:17
# God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
# Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. “And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled.” 16:6
# “I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.”
I guess God couldn’t find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn’t ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn’t give a damn about children. 18:32
# Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two “virgin daughters” instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to “do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes.” This is the same man that is called “just” and “righteous” in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
# God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining “fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven.” Well, almost everyone — he spares the “just and righteous” Lot and his family. 19:24
# Lot’s nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
# God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe’s lie. 20:3-7
# Sarai tells Abraham to “cast out this bondwoman and her son.” God commands him to “hearken unto her voice.” So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
# God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac’s throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
# Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
# Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is “defiled” by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
# “The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them.” 35:5
# “And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.” What did Er do to elicit God’s wrath? The Bible doesn’t say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
# After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to “go in unto they brother’s wife.” But “Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and … when he went in unto his brother’s wife … he spilled it on the ground…. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also.” This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
# After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she “played the harlot” and “is with child by whoredom.” When Judah hears this, he says, “Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.” 38:24
# Joseph interprets the baker’s dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker’s head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
# God brought a seven year, “very greivous” famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54
Exodus
# Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
# “I will … smite Egypt with all my wonders.” 3:20
# God threatens to kill the Pharaoh’s firstborn son. 4:23
# God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
# Moses and Aaron ask the Pharaoh to let all the Israelites go into the desert to pray for three days, or else God will kill them all “with pestilence, or with the sword.” 5:3
# “Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh.” 6:1
# God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4
# “And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD.” Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17
# God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24
# The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6
# The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
# “For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.” Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14
# God gave power to the Pharaoh so that he could show off his own power by killing him. 9:15-16
# The seventh plague is hail. “And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast.” 9:22-25
# God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. 10:2
# These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)
# God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts “a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.” 11:7
# God explains to Moses that he intends to “smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
# After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh’s heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished “there was not a house where there was not one dead.” Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
# To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to “sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix” — all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
# “I will harden Pharaoh’s heart.” 14:4
# After hardening Pharaoh’s heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh’s army in the sea 14:4-28
# The LORD shall fight for you 14:14
# “I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour.” 14:17
# “And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.” 14:18
# “And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians.” 14:26
# “And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians.” 14:31
# Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19
# “The Lord is a man of war.” Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
# God’s right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
# “For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them.” 15:19
# “Horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.” 15:21
# If you do what God says, he won’t send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise…. 15:26
# Joshua, with God’s approval, kills the Amalekites “with the edge of the sword.” 17:13
# “I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.” 17:14
# “The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.” 17:14-16
# Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or “shot through.” 19:12-13
# Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21
# God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such “burnt offerings,” he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
# A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
# An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
# If an ox gores someone, “then the ox shall surely be stoned.” 21:28
# If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then “the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.”. 21:29
# If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and “the ox shall be stoned.” 21:32
# “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
# “Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.” Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn’t we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
# “He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.” If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
# If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
# “The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me.” (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
# God promises to “send his fear before the Israelites” and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
# Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
# Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around — in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
# Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
# Wash up or die. 30:20-21
# Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be “cut off from his people.” 30:33
# Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
# God asks to be left alone so that his “wrath may wax hot” and he can “consume them. 32:10
What do you have to say to these examples of the sheer brutality of the Christian god of Christian dogma? Rather obviously, your god would be a brutal entity, if it actually existed, and furthermore, the guidance that the bible provides is brutal to an extreme, including animal sacrifice, and brutal punishments for what many today do not consider to be crimes.
Furthermore, no prayer has ever been answered, and no miracle has ever been proven. So, please save your prayers and do some reasoning about your claims about your god fable instead, considering the above statements from the bible that show that your god-myth is rather different from what you think it is.
Religion is ridiculous.
If you pay attention, the film was produced by the LOKI FILM company, with such an evident name, this is really allarming.
It looks like nobody have ever noticed it, becouse busy with thinkingonly about the movie itself.
If noone seems to be able tyo understand this kind of hints, then it is obvious that there is no one left.
Korgan,
Notice that your proof that god is angry comes directly from the OLD testament. I have taken many theology courses in my life and am a christian. Need I remind you that the old testament is actually a jewish text (the torah). Of course, Christians must know the stories in the old testament because they are important to our spiritual heritage, but it is not the whole story. Notice that the god of the NEW testament is forgiving and loving, It is a new vision of god, That vision which is directly elucidated through his son Jesus Christ. That is the beauty of Jesus’s message of love and compassion. Jesus is the new path, the light of the world. READ THE WHOLE BIBLE BEFORE YOU START QUOTING. meanwhile it may help if some of you read saint augustin.
“For I am the Lord, I do not change.”
- Malachi 3:6
Hmmm, seems rather off that you would speak about the God of the Old Testament differently than the God of the New Testament. I thought they were the same…
What did my husband and I take away from this film? Stay the hell away from Colorado Springs.
to #19
How do you expect your kid to become a doctor if you are filling his head with nonsense and telling him science is wrong? The Evangelical position on science is just ignorant. Dont you want your kid to be able to make his own educated decisions?
The answer to that is most definitely “no.” Religious Freaks care more about teaching their kids what they view as the “right” decisions and less with teaching them to make their own decisions. I’ve got a girlfriend with this problem. It’s amazing to see the product of such abuse try to function in the real world. I end up helping her a lot with real world issues that aren’t addressed in the Bibble.
Did anyone else find it ironic that the camp was held at devil lake lol. I call myself a christian who does not attend church after I realized they don’t have any deeper knowledge of the bible than a person picking it up for the first time, Ie know your anthropology, (and kick anything done or said by the apostle paul out of the bible and that makes for a true teaching of Jesus). As for the camp being closed it really won’t make any difference they are going to raise the kids the same with or without it. I have a feeling that if Jesus came back to this world so many radical christians would deny that it is really Jesus because he accepts and loves everyone and sadly they are to busy hating (oops I mean saving) homosexuals, non-christians, and anyone and everyone that does not fit their mold. anywhoo my post is pretty far down so I doubt it will be viewed not to mention this thread is old. sorry for run on sentances.
ya ya ya
sorry you are so stupid. christians are dumbasses. evolution rocks.
no no no,
I don’t know where I said anything about evolution, I very much beleive in evolution.
however I don’t quite understand why you call me stupid because you did not elaborate, I am sure you have a good reason but if you are to bring my intelligence into question I would have perferred something more. I will respect whatever you have to say because as I said in my post like I said love everyone accept everyone, that is just a better way of life Jesus knew it, siddhartha (buddha) knew it, I am working toward it. I know it is not a lifestyle for everyone it is right for me.
he respect you after too. feel good.
As Becky Fisher proves, he’s not about love.
[...] after the documentary was exposed to the public Jesus Camp closed its doors. [...]
thinking form the christian point of view about God for a minute….. do you think that the being that created everything is so small that the old test. and yes even the new test. put together can give you a whole picture of who God really is? and with that i believe that there are many faces of God. we were made to be like him so why wouldn’t God feel anger, love, disappointment, etc… i believe that there is truth in science and given enough time science will prove the legitimacy of the bible. i understand what everyone has said on this blog. yes i sat here like a noob and read it all with an open mind. you have made me rethink my decision to follow christ and i thank you for that. i love jesus christ with all of my heart. i am not a religious person. in fact you could probably go as far as saying that i hate religion. i believe it confuses and entangles many people in search of knowledge. i believe that we were created for relational purposes and that we all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. i believe that there is only one way to heaven and that is through jesus christ. i agree with what pretty much everyone thought about this movie. it scared the hell out of me. i have not been forced down the path that i have chosen. and when i doubt my faith and nothing else seems to help i think about the incredibly smart men and women that i look up to through out history and i am strengthened to know that some of the most intelligent and free thinking people found themselves at Christianity’s door.
May my God be seen for what he truly is. AMEN
Re 75, provide any proof at all that your jezeus of your particular stupid sky fairy tale exists as a divine entity. No one else has ever done that.
“fierce of fath”, it is easy to see your god story for what it “truly is”: a horrific fairy tail about a mythical creature, a purported “god” that has serious violence and vengeance issues and would be quite the asshole if it actually existed. Fortunately it is only a myth.
A convenient reference for you re your god-asshole of your Christian myths:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
And netyahoo, LOL at “jezeus”. Good one. I’ll remember it next time the xtians claim that their particular mythology is any different in veracity from the (more interesting) Greek mythology.
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using war as an analogy (which they do throughout the movie) for children is awful.
I had an experience as a child at a christian camp (that was more radical than I was used to) where during a sermon, the youth minister started calling out for children to be saved and kids were being dragged up to the front of the auditorium, and it scared me so much that I started crying and confessed, “I don’t believe in god, I know I went through confirmation, but I didn’t mean it” and the people around me interpreted this as me being “saved” or “born again” and I was dragged to the front of the auditorium to be saved with a handful of other children, and it was one of the most traumatizing things I ever went through. I felt so manipulated and violated.
After that I turned away from christianity.
Even though I believe there are good lessons in the bible and that if people were “christlike” the world would be a better place, I think the christian church is flawed in design and destined to always be twisted into the shit you see in this movie.
The whole idea of cramming this stuff down kids throats is terrible, and its not just in the evangelical right… I went to a methodist church which was pretty lefty (we had a female pastor), and yet I was pushed to stand up in front of my church congregation and “proclaim the lord as my savior” at the young age of 13. As a child I also went to a catholic school (as a protestant) and was forced to sit away from the rest of my friends as we went by class to confession, where all of my friends were able to confess their sins and I was not. Every Friday we had practice mass where all of my friends were able to receive the sacrament of communion and I was not…
I think I would have had a more fulfilling childhood if I had not been raised a christian. And I think the children of Jesus Camp were robbed of their childhoods.
You don’t have to have a religion to teach your kids morals and for them to turn out caring and kindhearted.
I hope my generation can prove this to the past and future generations.
I didn’t get the chance t read all the comments posted on this, but i just thought i’d mention…
Levi and Luke O’Brien (Of Jesus Camp) are two of my best friends, i’ve known them for over four years, and i have never, NEVER met anyone who was more loving, non-judgmental, even-headed, un-biased, and intellegent kids, (or adults, honestly) ever. I do ministry, and travel quite a lot, and truly, out of all the people i’ve interacted with, i tend to love christians the least. But, the people who made this documentary completely misrepresented this camp, they truly did. And the people who ran it, and worked it. To the point where they ‘literaly’ edited out the ends of sentences and such to completely change what people like Tracy O’Brien (The best mother and friend i’ve ever known) etc. etc. etc. etc. I also know Rachel, and a couple of the other kids in the movie, and they are all loving, and not the judgemental assholes a lot of christians are today. Just sayin’
I acknowledge and shudder at the fact that there are awful, AWFUL christians, and christian establishments in the world, and our country. There are ridiculous, disGUSTING fundamentalists in every religion, including and especialy christianity. i know, my Father is one. But there are also good, moral, intelligent, and kind people in EVERY religion. I just happen to know that the ones in jesus camp ARE good, kind, loving, and moral. At least the huge majority of them.
Point out a christian and you’ll be pointing out an asshole. Just go here to learn the real truth about christianity:
http://evilbible.com
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“if it actually existed. Fortunately it is only a myth.”post 77
Point out a christian and you’ll be pointing out an asshole. Just go here to learn the real truth about christianity and the bible:
http://evilbible.com
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Everything here is fishy.
is it safe to say that you and the people after south park are on the same boat? sounds fishy. have you not heard?
Luv your barge, Marge.
Why thanks George but that won’t get you into my gorge.
With us you always get hooked.
I’d like to see something from some of the young campers, not just their parents. How do you feel about it now? Do you think you were manipulated or abused? Do you think the camp was a good thing? I know children can be very resilient, but I worry about you.
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Reading through the responses here left me thinking about a certain letter that was written to a city called Corinth in Greece. They were having trouble with people teaching a twisted view of the Gospel which was dividing and distracting the church. People were involved in all kinds of sexual immorality which was taking their focus on serving those less fortunate and was breaking up families and causing all kinds of strife in a culture that being a single mother or fatherless left you vunerable to unkind people. There were also unrestrained lawsuits using up peoples time and resources and breaking up society. Finally there was a lot of wasted energy used to worship idols.
In all these areas it was agreed that “everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial”
1 Corinthians 6:12
All of this reminded me of the happenings today. (the idols today would be tv, games, constant need for entertainment, search for peace and pleasure) Those most upset by this film could easily be answered with, of course, scripture.
According to the Book of Acts, when Jesus left, God gave us the Holy Spirit. Some might say thats the little voice that lets you know something is not quite right or guides you in decisions. Many believe that voice is what one is trying to quiet by heavy drinking, drug use, high risk activities, and sexual promiscuity.
“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spititually discerned”
1 Corinthians 2:14
Don’t worry too much about these kids. They will love you and forgive you no matter what you do in your lives or to them. They listen to Jesus and that is what he teaches. Now along the way, hopefully, they are going to do things, give things, and maybe even say some things to try and bring you into a relationship with Jesus. Maybe you will and maybe you won’t, that’s up to you.
These kids may become involved in societal issues that you disagree with them on, but I go back to the verse saying “permisable but not beneficial”. If they find some things not to be beneficial to our society it is their right and duty to protest that and try to change that in a lawful way.
physal, your post is a steaming pile of horseshit. Don’t come here selling your bible shit. We aren’t buying.
Read here for a good summary of what the bible really says:
http://evilbible.com
These poor kids have been forcibly indoctrinated into a religion and a doctrine of misogyny, rape, murder, and other horrors. That is what the bible that you keep referencing really is when, taken in its entirety. Like other bible belters, you’ve just conveniently chosen the nice parts in your own interpretation, and ignored the horrors of christian doctrine. The bible is also obsolete fiction.
These kids will require a lot of deprogramming to get them on track and away from this particularly nasty sect of what is a wholly evil religion.
Read here for a good summary of what the bible really says:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
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