In response to an earlier post about homosexuality in nature, I received a very strong comment from Henry Asta. Now we’ve discussed this issue before, but read Henry’s comments… they are somewhat frightening and provide a little insight into the mind of a hard-core Christian.
I’d like someone to point out what’s wrong with homosexuality and what exactly is their "agenda"? Is it something simple like world domination or something even more sinister such as subjecting the masses to horrible television programming like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"?
Henry Asta writes:
In their effort to justify homosexuality, gay people and their sympathizers make the false claim that a negative attitude against gay people is due to ignorance or religious dogma. In no case where there is a sane intolerance to homosexuality is that so. However, it is a fact that people tolerate and justify homosexuality or sympathize with gay people because of ignorance, deception, denial and depravity. All the nations on earth are really heathen nations that do not embrace Christian principles as their dogma. Nevertheless, a negative attitude against homosexuality is to be found in every nation. This is not due to ignorance or religious dogma, but to common sense. Where ignorance and deception prevails and where love for evil abounds, homosexuality also thrives. Any so-called “education” in favor of homosexuality is none other than deception.
Homosexuals use many methods to deceive the gullible into tolerating homosexuality. One way they do so is to point to same sex attraction among animals. Do not be deceived into thinking that since same sex attraction has been observed among animals that this somehow legitimizes same sex attraction for humans. Some animals are also known to eat carrion, excrement and attack and kill humans. If same sex attraction among them can be rightly used to legitimize same sex attraction among humans, so can all their other unclean and murderous tendencies. Animals are irrational creatures that are not accountable to God. Only totally depraved fools point to the nasty actions of dogs as examples to follow rather than live according to the righteousness of God. Homosexuals prove they have fallen lower than animals by making animals as their mentors and examples to follow. One thing for sure is creatures of instinct demonstrate that they are more righteous than homosexuals, because they do not seek to justify their acts by the nasty acts of homosexuals.
Homosexuality is one of the many manifestations of the total depravity of mankind. It is part of the evidence that demonstrates the sad totally depraved state into which all mankind has fallen. It evidences that the wrath of the Almighty God hangs over the heads of every graceless human.
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November 27th, 2006 at 10:32 am
“Nevertheless, a negative attitude against homosexuality is to be found in every nation. This is not due to ignorance or religious dogma, but to common sense.”
Long, long ago, it was considered “common sense” that the followers of Jesus Christ were a cult and dangerous. Everyone knew Jesus was a cult leader. Does that make it right?
In the America up until somewhat recently it was also “common sense” that black people were not fully human beings (in the north as well as the south), since everyone ‘knew’ they weren’t. Was that therefore true?
If a heathen is someone who does not accept Christian dogma as the truth without questioning anything like you claim, I am proud to call myself a heathen.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:32 am
I wonder if henry has ever actually met a homosexual. I don’t mean yelling at them at a parade, i mean sitting down and having a conversation. I think hes got his ideas of gays from watching “will and grace” and “queer eye”. If he ever talked to someone who is gay and got to know them as a person, he may learn that its not important who you like to have sex with, but who you are as a person. But maybe im just kidding myself, maybe henry is a lost cause. All i can say is the world would be a better place with less people that think like henry.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:38 am
The idea of a “homosexual agenda” is just one of the strategies of bigoted people to demonise gay people and make us appear sinister. Do they really think we have timetables and secret meetings to further our “cause”. It all stems from their insistence that homosexuality is a choice and not from birth. So in their mind without a way to procreate, we must recruit. This is of course nonsense. I’ve known I was gay from as early as I can remember, its always been a natural part of who I am, like dark hair.
As for this guy’s rant about us being associated with dogs. Yes some dogs have some unsavoury habits but frankly so do some humans. But when it comes down to it, I’d rather be associated with dogs than this individual.
I feel sorry for him, to be so consumed with hate for people he doesn’t even know and has never met the world over.
I just wish this guy could give a logical reason for why homosexuality is wrong without quoting the bible or any religious text and without mentioning any deity.
Also one final point, there is one animal on this planet that murders it’s own kind more than any other and that’s humans. So less of the “we’re better than animals” garbage.
November 27th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
On Henry’s stance towards animals as lesser beings:
And yet, animals are said to be “innocent”… humans are essentially not. Why should be not then hold them up as paragons of morality?
Also, God supposedly created/designed the carrion eaters, the dog’s love of eating vomit, the need to defend oneself from humans/animals… is Henry daring to suggest that God has created something fundamentally flawed, a mistake?
Ahh, the tangled arguments religion always ends up weaving…
November 27th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
It’s not an arguement at all, it’s simply ignornant fearful Dinosaurs; who eventually will die out.
November 27th, 2006 at 1:22 pm
I don’t think it’s possible that I could have a reasonable discussion about homosexuality with a hard-core Christian because my feelings about the matter are based on my own life experience as a gay man, while theirs are founded on a book of (mostly) myths and a genuine dislike of gay people. In spite of the evidence, they refuse to believe that people can be born gay. That, you see, would contradict certain passages in the bible that (I belive) have been mis-translated. And since the bible MUST BE the total and infallible word of God, their believe system would be invalidated.
There is just no middle ground in such a situation.
If they could walk in my shoes and see what it’s like to be a minority, often an invisible one, their eyes might be opened. But that will never happen, so the best I can do is just ignore them and take the high ground. I take comfort in the fact that time and culture are moving ahead (albeit slowly) and these people will be viewed by history as the idiots they are.
November 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
dude… this guy needs to look up “depraved” in a thesaurus… seriously.
November 27th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
£10 says he’s gay himself
November 27th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Gasmonso. I hope you see this comment and give me/us a reply please.
You are kinda taking this site towards a flamebait/flamewar forum. Instead of a site that lists and comments on /news/ about religious craziness.
Why should I give a damn about what every uneducated/dogmatic/narrowminded/random individual has to say? I simply don’t care. Who is this guy that says this and why does his comment matter to me? Is he some influential figure? Is it someone that has spent his life studying and has a respectable set of publicized works? If not, why did I spend 30seconds reading his rants?
This also goes for the Ask a-random-guy-on-the-Internet-street section.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:07 pm
@Indio
You don’t think this guy fits in as a “Religious Freak?”
November 27th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
Hi Indio. I think you’re missing a little something with respects to this post. Allow me to clarify…
This is not just the opinion of one random individual. It is an opinion that is quite common (albeit extreme in my opinion) among religious conservatives whether Christian or Muslim. I used it as an opportunity to have readers weigh in on the matter with an opinion directly from a Christian.
Now is it uneducated, dogmatic, and narrow minded as you put it? Of course it is to you and me, but then again so is 90% of what I report on. This is religiousfreaks.com after all.
Also, you are probably the only one that criticized my Just Ask! section and that’s fine. But I think you’re somewhat off track. If the opinions of random people don’t matter to you, then why bother reading/writing comments in the first place? And that doesn’t just apply to this site, but 99% of the stuff you read elsewhere on the internet.
Sincerely,
gasmonso
November 27th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
This man is so full of hate..
November 27th, 2006 at 5:59 pm
“However, it is a fact that people [...] sympathize with gay people because of ignorance, deception, denial and depravity.”
…or the way people like Henry treat them?
November 27th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Indio
Repeat this with me: “I rarely criticize things I don’t care about”. So how bout respecting the efforts of others, and trying to offer more productive suggestions next time, you Douche.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
It comes down to this. Homosexuality is wrong because it doesn’t produce children. Now, many of us wouldn’t consider failure to reproduce a massive sin on par with, say, murdering someone of the same religion as you. However, there are many religions at odds with one another, and when the Bible was written, Christianity’s success was far from guaranteed. As a result, certain rules were written to maximize reproduction, which would, in turn, allow Christian populations to grow faster than other religious populations. Homosexuality is wrong for the same reason that condoms are wrong. After all, we’re still waging wars that depend heavily upon political leaders being able to spend human lives like pennies. And in a democracy, it’s obvious how the balance of power can shift when one side is breeding like rabbits.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:09 am
I thought the homosexual agenda was obvious. They want to redecorate my house, make me wear expensive, fashionable clothes and subject me to endless disco music. They clearly must be stopped!
November 28th, 2006 at 5:48 am
To Shaze: Thanks for your nice words. I _do_ try to be constructive.
To Gasmonso: I think this site is about “news”. And the commentary of users of those news. And I say news because there is an infite amount of “average random people” whose views fall here or there. Should you, gasmonso, interview each one of them?
Say you make two “just ask” sessions with random $reader1 and random $reader2. What differentiates the impact(in terms of contribution to the whole debate on religion) of a “just ask” session if these guys are just random people for whom we know nothing about?
Is it news that the orthodox priest of my neighbourhood is kind of biased towards gays? ..No. Is it news that my grandmother believes that I will go to hell if I say bad words? Not where I come from.
What I am saying is not so complicated: draw a line between constructive conversation and flamebait. That’ all.
Its your site dude, you can do whatever you want, I am just saying what I think about it. If the others are fancying it like this, then let it be like this..
Cheers.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:56 am
Henry Asta writes (with gay replaced by jew):
In their effort to justify judaism, jewish people and their sympathizers make the false claim that a negative attitude against jews is due to ignorance or religious dogma. In no case where there is a sane intolerance to judaism is that so.
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Judaism is one of the many manifestations of the total depravity of mankind. It is part of the evidence that demonstrates the sad totally depraved state into which all mankind has fallen. It evidences that the wrath of the Almighty God hangs over the heads of every graceless human.
Save for the part about animals having gay sex, the whole text just follows a generic template of rationalizing hatred towards a differing ethnic group.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Wow, Flaky, that sounds just like passages from Mein Kampf
November 28th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Eh.
That’s kinda funny you know, even with a God up there, I can’t quite bring myself to think he cares what I do with my meat stick.
And even without that, the big question: ‘WHO THE **** CARES?!?! THEY’RE NOT ASKING YOU TO JOIN!’
Oh well.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
animals having JEW sex??? OMGWTF now that’s just wrong ;-)
December 5th, 2006 at 5:04 am
The Homosexual Agenda:
7:00 - espresso and biscounti
7:15 - read the Advocate
7:30 - shower, gel
8:00 - Head for the gym
9:00 - report to work
10:00 - out perform the heteros surrounding us in the office. Get paid less in benefits
12:00 - light lunch
2:00 - Complete take over of the media, public schools, cause the fall of civilization, destruction of organized religions,molesting all the world’s children, marry each other, bring chaos to the rest of the civilized world.
2:45 - break
3:00 - return to work
5:00 - grocery shopping, home
Evenings free time. Enjoy.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:15 am
The Homosexual Agenda:
7:00 - wake up
7:15 - espresso and biscounti
7:30 - thumb through the Advocate
7:45 - Shower, hair gel
8:00 - Head for the gym
8:30 - Check out sales
9:00 - Report to workplace
10:00 - outperform straight co-workers and receive less in benefits
11:00 - break - snack (energy bar)
11;15 - return to work
12:00 - Complete takeover of the world’s media, destruction of societies around the globe, molest all the children on the planet and recruit as many as possible with promise of free toasters with membership, collapse morality, marry each other, marry our pets, worship Satan, create a general feeling of chaos and eminent doom.
12:45 - break/light snack
1:00 - return to workplace to finish up the work others left behind
3:00 - doctors/dentist appointment
5:00 - groceries, return home, coook fabulous dinner
Evening free. Enjoy.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:54 am
THIS ACTIVITY HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE MAN HAS WALKED THE EARTH. NOT ONLY IN THE CATHLIC ARENA BUT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. THE WORLD IS BECOMING OVER POPULATED HENSE, MORE OF THE SAME. THIS IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE AT HAND. THE USA IS A HATED COUNTRY. WE HAVE TAUGHT MANY FOREIGN COUNTRYS HOW TO KILL AND SOLD THEM ALL THE WEAPONS THEY COULD BUY. WE ARE INDEBT TO CHINA. OUR OWN GREED HAS BUSINESS FOLDING . IT IS SO F–KED UP WE THE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER ONE.
October 15th, 2009 at 4:28 am
I can’t help but think that it legitimises the opinions of someone like this, even to discuss them. The writer is clearly unintelligent, and writing confused sentences which look like they mean something on the surface, but which really have very little of any sense in them. I know it’s childish, but I just want to say “shut up and go back to school”.
October 19th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
let see here ah yes how do you fight social engineering and the propaganda machine -the gay rights manifesto - it is an agenda that has been going on since the late sixties -and is taking over the schools universities colleges newspapers health centres police departments - what is Spirit-filled valiant man to do - all this kind of stuff is in my face every day and I am a man … what do I do? in my own strength - nothing.. i have to fight fire with fire in Christ armour(ephesians 6 holy bible) and go to the gay pride parades and preach with Authority with great boldness that Jesus is the Christ stand with courage in the power of God because the issue is the gates of hell is opened and the most putrid filth has come forth with demonic power taking hold of those who wish to rebel and to revolt against the most high God Repent and believe the gospel mark 1 christ died for our sins and rose again from the dead -thanks for your space
October 19th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Timothy, enough with your old time Christian ranting already. Christianity is a long dead fairy tale. Get your ass over it and get a life.
December 27th, 2009 at 12:54 am
For those of you that come here and consider yourself gay (sodomites) or that sex between man and man or women and women is ok, consider this. We that are true Christians, that follow to the best of our ability the laws of the bible, do not hate you and do not wish anything bad upon you. For it is not our job to judge you; that duty belongs only to Jesus Christ the son of God. Although we do disagree with you. Our base is the bible and the scriptures within. Here is the reason we disagree with your gay (sodomite) lifestyle. An example can be found in the bible, in the book of Leviticus 20:13 and 18:22-23 if you care to read the truth and wisdom of our creator. May God bless you and may he open your eyes to his wisdom.
December 27th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Have you obeyed the lord, your god in all things biblical?