Welcome back everyone! Let's hope that Cyber Warrior Tim and his Islamic army of ignorance will leave us in peace.
The reason for the attack was to protest against the infamous Muhammed Caricatures that I have shown for almost a year now. I will provide more information, but I am tired and want some sleep :) I would like to thank everyone that helped me out and encouraged me. I was overwhelmed by the support from all you guys! I won't mention names for your own safety, but you know who you are.
As for the hackers that attempted to silence this venue of free speech, I am honored that my site was graced with your presence. As a token of my gratitude, I have taken your logo and made a few modifications of my own. You have my permission to use it in your future hacking endevours on this site and any other one you wish to violate in the name of your prophet.
You know where to reach me should it ever strike your fancy to have a civilized discussion.
Good day!
Related posts:
- Out Of The Country
- Gasmonso Under Enemy Fire In Pakistan
- gasmonso Is Alive
- gasmonso Wounded But Back In Action!
- Coming Soon…
January 27th, 2007 at 4:20 am
Inevitable someone would take offence to the next level, good job on getting the site up so quickly again.
Dave
January 27th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Seconded.
Good to see you can take a personal attack with good humour. A shame others can not…
January 27th, 2007 at 4:35 am
That is one ugly site.
http://www.cyber-security.org/CW/
January 27th, 2007 at 4:37 am
Hey gasmonso !
I Make The Rules
MackRulZ
January 27th, 2007 at 4:48 am
Hey gasmonso !
How is Index ?
I Make ( Mack ) The Rules ( RulZ )
We are Muslim !!!
MackRulZ
January 27th, 2007 at 5:08 am
We are atheists, you will be assimilated as one of our own.
Resistance is futile.
Honestly, you fancy yourself a “freedom fighter”. Only a coward will use immature scripts or exploits to archive his ends. I’ve dealt with more sophisticated hackers on a larger scale then you.
Remember Jeremy Hammond of Hack This Site? He actually accomplished something. All you accomplished was petty vandalism.
We are still here, and your nothing.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:08 am
seriously you sound like a retard MackRulZ, don´t you have something better to do with your time??
if you don´t like what is written on this page don´t read it!. The beauty of freedom of speech is that everybody can say whatever the fuck they want, and not have some jackasses like you trying to limit it
January 27th, 2007 at 5:20 am
Everyone ignore him. Talking to him is only going to inflate his ego, so anyway, I’m going to go jack off to the pictures of Abu Ghraib.
;)
January 27th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Hey Dog!
Hey Admin dog! you is stupid than I thought, I wrote you an E-Mail that you would take seriously. You published still more caricatures. I can say to you if I with your PAGE a Safetey-lap find whom I everything will delete you idiot.
Cyber Hacker! (Ceheneme kadar yolun var)
/DreaM FleX a.k.a linea radix
January 27th, 2007 at 8:04 am
to the hackers - I can understand how lots of material on this site can be offensive to you - especially in the most recent posts. My suggestion is that, if you want us to see your religion in a better light, you might want to submit some examples of good works on the behalf of your Islam.
That article on Nobel Peace Prize Yunus was very touching, and that gave me a deep respect him and his beliefs, as well as motivation. Muhammed’s willingness a couple months ago to open dialogue and answer several questions about Islam was also a very rewarding, eye-opening experience. I’d like to see more of that.
I’d hope that Gasmonso would accept your submissions and post them. At least personally, it would certainly make an impression on me.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:12 am
It is silly to think that archaic dogma and inspired threats can somehow turn back the tide of reason. Humanity has been marching towards reason and away from religion for hundreds of years now. People are beginning to realize on a large scale (albeit slowly) that religion ultimately offers them nothing.
These “hackers” are in a peculiar situation. Computers and global networks are the result of decades of many people throughout the world experiencing this, may I say, epiphany. They decided to stop praying turned to science. Their desire to understand the universe rather than placate a god has enabled many endeavors that have lead to the technology we now enjoy today.
People who go to study then ultimately to the lab will accomplish many things. People who go to the church, or mosque, or synagogue to worship will accomplish nothing. They are simply practicing vanity in the utmost: the belief that they are somehow special to some omnipotent deity that knows everything.
Apologies for the rant, but I cannot help but to see and try to understand the irony here.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:22 am
If Cyberwarrior Tim’s position on freedom of speech is representative for his country’s, I’d rather not have it as an EU member.
January 27th, 2007 at 9:17 am
Cyber Hacker!:
Why is it you object to someone doing something that doesn’t hurt anyone that also offends your religion? Can’t Allah defend him/herself?
I can understand why you wouldn’t do something your religion forbids.
I can also understand why you wouldn’t want to visit a site like that.
But why try and take it down?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:20 am
MackRulZ, welcome to my site. If think you’ll find the discussions here quite interesting and I look forward to your participation.
DreamFleX, to which email are you referring? I receive all kinds of mail so please be more specific. Either way, welcome to site. It would be wise for you to stick around and take part in the discussions. I guarantee you’ll learn something.
To everyone else, please lay off the attacks in these individuals. While they did illegally attack my property , I know it was out of religious fervor and ignorance and not hatred.
Oh, I was going to ban all ips from Turkey where the attacks originated, but I chose not to. The reason for this is simple. I receive a fair amount of traffic from there, most of which is from peaceful people who are just curious about my site and do no harm. I plan to keep it this way as it is the only fair (albeit risky) thing to do.
Anyways its good to be back. Now its time to check the server logs to see how many attacks there are.
gasmonso
January 27th, 2007 at 10:35 am
To [Si]dragon: brilliant comments. Hopefully the hackers will get at least something out of them, but then again the courage and wit required to reason and publicly debate rather than hide in old superstitions is demonstrably more than a little beyond them.
To Gasmonso: great job, keep it up.
To the hackers: you lost, and made fools of yourselves. Your religion had already made fools of you anyway.
K.
January 27th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
I would hestitate to even call these people ‘hackers’. Ofcourse the correct terminology would be ‘cracker’, as in someone who has malicious intent when breaking into a computer system. Not knowing exactly the methods they used i have only their behaviour to go on, i would say they are more than likely scriptkiddies, with very little understanding of the actual technical details. Quite lame to be frank.
January 27th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
yeah yeah I’m MoSLeM u BitCh u NoW ? heyyy u mother fucker bitch I’m TurKisH GHeTTo BoY Sikerim SeNi LaN aMCiK
give me u adress & I come with my mafia crew there & fuck u mother in the ass unOw meaN u BitCHHHHH
ulan senin anaNi sikim pic lavuk firlama o viedeolar götüne girsin ALLAH BELANI VERECEK DU SCHEISS CHRIST ICH FICKE DEINE MUTTER IN DEN ARSCH KAPISCHH
TURKEY IS THE BEST FUCK OFF THE REST !
NE MUTLU TÃœRKÃœM DIYENE
ATATÃœRK 4 LIVE
FUCK PKK
FUCK CHRIST
FUCK USA
FUCK ISRAEL
& FUCK ALL CHRIST ASS
January 27th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Good work getting the site back up, gasmonso, I guess you’re just waiting for the fatwa now ;-) Seriously though, you must be making an impact among the right people.
To CW Tim,
I know the site looks anti-islamic at the moment, as there’s lots of muslim stories of late. But it’s not. There are about equal numbers of stories from the big 3 (islam, christianity and judaism).
January 27th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
By the grace of no god we are back in action! Oh God, who we do not believe in, let us not give thanks to you, you who does not exist in any rational analysis of the factual world.
I do have to say, I’ve always wondered what our response time would be for bringing this place back up should we ever be the victims of an attempt to silence us. To be honest I always thought it would have been Christians to do it. We’ve had those Mohammed pictures up for a long time and our resident conservative Muslim, Mohammed, has shown a good deal of courage and rationality to stick around and discuss things with us and even put himself up for questions on his faith. Oh well. But hey, no hard feelings, we’ve proven that an secular community built almost entirely of IT professionals are capable of quick recovery. So thanks for giving us the chance to prove ourselves!
ReligiousFreaks welcomes you and we hope to see you around, I bet Mohammed was starting to get lonely being the only Muslim commenting around here. And yes, we’ve got a bunch of ‘Stupid Muslim’ stories up right now, but in a week I can just about guarantee a ‘Stupid Jew’ or ‘Stupid Christian’ story.
January 27th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
and to add what humanstic jones just said, you (the hacker(s)) aren’t quite showing the opposite of those stupid muslim stories.
If you don’t get that starting a discussion will generate more respect and understanding then shutting down or defacing a website, if you don’t get that this action is actaully most counter productive and if you don’t understand that THE WHOLE POINT of this website is to initiate a discussion between religions of all kinds and atheists then please go jump from a bridge because humanity does NOT want you in the genepool.
If you do understand, but are simply trolling for atention, do the same.
anyway, i’m really interested in your motivation, so please email me at Alcari.disposablemail@gmail.com.
I’m not actaully expecting any reply, but if you happen to actually have some notion of the morality you claim, please send me mail.
January 27th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Hi Gasmonso (=
i’m Cyber-Warrior TIM / Ecel-i Mahlukat User (=
For ISLAM For CW..
Bu Adam Yediremiyor (=
Yakında Benide Hacker Yapın Diye Yalwaracak..
January 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Hi Tim! You’re only making yourself and your religion look bad. Thanks! Really, thank you. The work you’ve accomplished in exposing the stupidity and militance of religious freaks is really appreciated.
I just can’t thank you enough. You’ve really done us atheists and agnostics a great service. We couldn’t have asked for a better example of the flagrantly inconsistent attitude of your kind than the one you have just provided us.
Franky, I think the idea of rational debate scares you.
January 27th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
http://www.cyber-security.org/CW/
They should forget hacking and learn web design first.
January 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
They aren’t even hacking, they are scripters and fucking exploiters. That’s not hacking. They aren’t innovative so don’t line them with real hackers.
Script Kiddie Fucks.
January 27th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
welcome back Gas.
January 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
of course, if you want to tell us something, do it in a language we understand, or didn’t you grasp that concept either?
sane normal world, we tilt our head to the left, probably from the reading left tot right thing.
January 27th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
because, just to restate the obvious, because didn’t read any of the above.
NONE OF US SPEAK TURKISH
January 27th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Hey revlic, Patrick, DreaM FleX, MaxieZ, Korgan,h2g2bob, Humanistic Jones, Alcari and you bitchChild gasmonso who do not take anything from Human !!!
Do you think that you make a good things for world or humanic ???
a counsel for you
be a toiletwarder is is better then now !
I Thanks to Hackers
this site is disgrace to world wide web
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January 27th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
No, your a disgrace to humanity, your countries are fucking bottom rung shit holes. The only reason you even have the internet was of western civilization. Likewise all you did was find a few flaws in the wordpress system and exploit them, this is no victory for Islam, shit you can’t even take out Israel. Islam hasn’t accomplished shit.
January 27th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Hey gasmonso !
My aim was clear to come to this side. That caricatures… If i were you i couldn’t insult to Muslim world and i were remove the caricatures. Otherwise ı don’t be responsible that i’ll do. Also ı saw the pictures that you did for me, you gonna pay the penal likewise.
Don’t Forget that
I Make ( Mack ) The Rules ( RulZ )
|- MackRulZ -|
January 27th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
@ErReis
This site gives me a good laugh whenever i need it. That’s a good enough reason for it to be on the web.
Oh and i also learned a huge bit about other religions.
Oh and go make something that adds grace to the web to make up for our “disgrace”
January 27th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
How will you clear this shameful?
http://www.zone-h.org/index2.php?option=com_mirrorwrp&Itemid=45&id=5535263
Cyber-Warrior TIM / Ecel-i Mahlukat / MackRulZ
January 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
So gasmonso is gonna pay??
so what are you planning to do?? blow yourself up like the rest of the morons or what??
if you find the page offensive, then LEAVE! nobody is forcing you to watch the cartoons or the other contents of this page
and MackRulZ what kind of kids nickname is that??
January 27th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
MackRulZ,
Is this an official threat? Are officially declaring war on me, my site, and my readers? I would like for you to clarify this.
I invited you to have a rational discussion about Islam and the caricatures. Don’t let your ego get the best of you. Join us and open your mind my friend.
gasmonso
January 27th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
I speak Turkish. As someone of Turkish decent, people like this makes me sick. He is making turks look like a bunch of crazy arab fundies. Most Turks were not even muslim until about 800 years ago…they were a bunch of shamanists in East Central Asia. So why the obession with islam, I don’t know. MackRulZ makes all Turks look bad. He is one of the islamists trying to turn Turkey into Iran or Saudi. I mean if he wants to defend islam, why doesn’t he go hack the islamist sites that post videos of people being beheaded? But people like him are in the minority. Although Turkey is 99% muslim, you can go to the beach and see topless people, and if you can see over the bar counter they will serve you alcohol. In order for Turkey to stay secular, the blood of islamists must be shed, as they will never be content with practicing their religion in their own private lives, they must always impose it on others.
MackRulZ, sen butun Turkleri kotu gosteryorsun. Yoksa sen arapmisin? Ayrica, bu site birtek islamla problemi yok. butun dinlerin aptalina kizyoruz.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
gasmonso ;
You can get as you want. I fined you. but If you want I can do a bit more. In what subject you expect me to agrre with you.
Islam is my way,
And for me There no way out of it.
MackRulZ
January 27th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
wolf ;
Bütün dinler değil beni İslam alakadar eder. Türkleri kötülemiyorum. Sanal cihad yapıyorum, yapıcamda.
Düşünce özgürlüğünü bahane ederek benim Peygamberime saygısızlık edilemez. Edenin dilini keseriz.
Ayrıca sayemizde site gereğinden fazla hit aldı.
MackRulZ
January 27th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Gasmonso, if he does anything that is seriously worse, post here and I will get in touch with the Turkish authorities.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
MackRulZ sana bir sorum var(Turkce karakterler yok bilgisayarimde malesef)…Islamin isminde insanlarin kafasini kesiyorlar ya… hani video olarak internete koyorlar. O seni rahtsiz edyormu? O da islama saygisizlik degil mi?
January 27th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
I feel sorry for you Mackrulz
“Islam is my way,
And for me There no way out of it.”
i hope you someday may change your mind and start question your own beliefs
January 27th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
BahsettiÄŸin videodan haberim yok.
Benim tek bildiÄŸim bu site Ä°slam’a saygısızlık ediyordu bizde gerekeni yaptık ve her zaman yaparızda.
Şimdi gelelim asıl mesele olan karikatürlere, tüm dünya bu saçma sapan karikatürlerle çalkalanırken, biz seyircimi kalalım.
Düşünce özgürlüğü denen şey, insanların değer verdiği, saygı gösterdiği, inandığı değerlere saygısızlık etmekmidir.
Bu siteye saldırdım diye, dinimi, peygamberimi kötüleyenlere cevap verdim diye Türk’leri kötü gösterdiÄŸimi düşünüyorsan vay halimize…
Seninle olan konuÅŸmama burda son veriyorum.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Patrick ;
Why ?
I never am not supposeing.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Wolf:
I have always had much respect for the Turkish people and their culture. From the beginning of the Ottoman Empire, to its birth as a republic, it has successfully mixed its religion with a secular political system. The other Arab countries could learn a thing or two from your country.
Anyway, the hackers are to Turkey what the Christian fundamentalists are to America. A vocal and annoying minority who take religion too far.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Mackrulz
“Patrick ;
Why ?
I never am not supposeing.” ?????
please write in proper english, that makes no sense to me
January 27th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
English:
You want knowledge which Islam are, impact the Koran up and read, there find you more than in the Paradies. study you live the prophet Muhammet.Auf it Allahs peace and benediction. Islam is a Arab word it meant as well as peace through, thinks however of God Muslim is that this devotion practices, and to which away goes, his creator kidnaps.
German:
Willst du Wissen was Islam ist, schlag den Koran auf und Lies,dort findest du mehr als im Paradies. studiere dir das leben des Propheten Muhammet.Auf Ihm Allahs Frieden und segen.Islam ist ein Arasiches word es bedeutet so gut wie Frieden durch, denk aber an Gott.Moslem ist derjenige der diese hingabe Praktiziert,und dem weg geht,den sein schöpfer entführt.
Please they do not publish pictures, caricatures, & other things Videos etc.
We are finally all humans, want peace with one another to live, whereby our religion is not damaged.
Be Safe,
/DreaM FLeX
January 27th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Patrick ;
i hope you someday may change your mind and start question your own beliefs
—
I dont think so.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Why you do not take that seriously. So further then you will not any longer trust Mach your Web server to switch on everyone times you with our index you will meet.
Ceheneme kadar yolunuz var…
/DreaM FLeX (DreaM LaW)
January 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Yes guys you had enough…!!! I make the rules here, if there anybody objecting, I want him to face with me. No more comments.
I Will be Your Curse on Cyber World !
Islam is the only way.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Sean:
I agree with you, all fundies are the same. They all see everything in black and white.
MackRulZ, everyone has a right to express their opinion. You don’t have the right to bring down a website because you don’t agree with what it says. You can make a website making fun of/cursing us godless bastards if you want, and we don’t have the right to bring it down either. Don’t think you’re the only one here who knows a thing or two about hacking. Such freedoms are alien concepts to islamists, however.
MackRulZ says that he is angry that this website has degraded something very important and meaningful to him. While I can understand this, what makes me angry is that he is willing to lash out over some charicatures, but when there are videos of beheadings in the name of islam on islamist webistes, people like him don’t seem to take offence to it.
Oh, islam has been so noble MackRulZ, no one has the right to even think anything bad about it! While at the same time, we hear about islamic terrorism every day! Who do you guys seriously think you are? Why don’t you keep your fundamentalist buddies from stoning women to death first, and then you can get mad at people thinking poorly of islam. Your hacking this website has not defended islam, it has made it look even worse! And yes, you do make Turkish people look bad, not because you took offence to the charicatures, but because of what you did.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I’m fairly sure the cartoons will never be brought down by Gas, and you’re petty attacks will never be anything more than minor set-backs.
“We are finally all humans, want peace with one another to live, whereby our religion is not damaged.”
You claim to want peace and all that stuff, but you don’t practice what you preach… and what exactly do you mean by “our religion is not damaged” anyways? How does anything on this site “damage” your religion? I’d say you do considerably more “damage” to the credibility of your outdated set of beliefs then anyone here.
Why don’t you stay and have an intelligent conversation instead of making yourselves look like psychopaths?
January 27th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Bosuna burda zaman harcama. Gercekden islami nefret eden siteler var. Git onlarla uras belani aryorsan.
Olum jihad kelemsini kullandign anda kaybetdin. Dinini koruman kotu birsey degil…ama buyle tehtit ederek yapilmaz. Derdini bunlara duzgun birsekilde anlat. “Islam tek yoldur” deyi gerizekyali gibi bagrma.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Birisi kemik atmış sanırım.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Wolf
Dolu küpe bir sey sigmaz Sana burda belli basli fikirleri yada ideolojileri kabullendirmeye bile tenezzül buyurmuyorum, Sadece Sunu söylüyorum
O kirli Agizlariniza Islam Kelimesini Almayin !!!
eger O kirli agizlariniz kendi pisliklerini birakir Islam kelimelerinin icinde bulundugu cümleler sarf etmeye baslarsa O zaman size ait olmayan Bizim Mahremiyet alanimiza girmis olursunuz, Bu reelde cok degisik bir tepki alir ki seni Reelde görmek isterdim ! eger monitor Arkasindan olursa Monitorun rengini degistiririz bilesiniz !!!
and you ADMIN listen ! Listen ! Listen !
DreaM FleX Says:
You want knowledge which Islam are, impact the Koran up and read, there find you more than in the Paradies. study you live the prophet Muhammet.Auf it Allahs peace and benediction. Islam is a Arab word it meant as well as peace through, thinks however of God Muslim is that this devotion practices, and to which away goes, his creator kidnaps.
German:
Willst du Wissen was Islam ist, schlag den Koran auf und Lies,dort findest du mehr als im Paradies. studiere dir das leben des Propheten Muhammet.Auf Ihm Allahs Frieden und segen.Islam ist ein Arasiches word es bedeutet so gut wie Frieden durch, denk aber an Gott.Moslem ist derjenige der diese hingabe Praktiziert,und dem weg geht,den sein schöpfer entführt.
Please they do not publish pictures, caricatures, & other things Videos etc.
We are finally all humans, want peace with one another to live, whereby our religion is not damaged.
Be Safe,
there is two way
First is easy ! How -> don’t work to damaging my religion ! (whereby our religion is not damaged.)
Second is difficult ! How-> lie, writing history… ( it is very difficult for me, but i see it is too easy for you, am I right ? )
Admin Be careful, we can find you in real too !
January 27th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Hey administrator,
I is the DreaM FleX (DreaM Law) as I already said and also further says to who that here will do is, if they do not stop thereby our religion CSU insult insult, damages with any caricatures… becomes it them nich leads later does. but then it is too late.
/DreaM FLeX (DreaM Law)
January 27th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Kudos on the fast fix. Keep up the great work here - such an attack only proves that you’re hitting a nerve, and dare I say a nerve that probably needs hitting.
Take care of yourself, gasmonso. If this keeps up we’re going to have to start setting up safe houses around the country for free thinkers such as yourself.
January 27th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
be a toiletwarder is is better then now
Love it.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
I am impressed that the “hackers” think so highly of themselves. Apparently they can single handedly subdue the internet in the name of Islam.
To the people who brought this site down:
Go away. Harrassment doesn’t convince people. Just ask Jesus; he managed to do a pretty impressive job without force :)
January 27th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
hey mackrulz, why dont you do the noble thing and blow yourself up. that way youll finally get those virgins your working so hard to get. The fact is you brought down one relatively small website for less than a day. Most people with any computer experience can manage that. Why dont we? because were not total douchebags. So congratulations “mackrulz”(what a shitty hacker name) your fifteen minutes of fame has come and passed.
January 27th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
“My aim was clear to come to this side. That caricatures… If i were you i couldn’t insult to Muslim world and i were remove the caricatures.”
Hey. Get in line bub. There’s gotta be Jews and Christians after this site too. Perhaps you could team up with some, but that’d require you to actually respect the rights of other peoples to live as they wish so as you could bear working with them.
http://religiousfreaks.com/university-of-virginia-cavalier-daily-cartoons/
http://religiousfreaks.com/israeli-anti-semitic-cartoon-contest/
Maybe one day you’ll grow up and realize you’re not the only one on Earth though.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:13 am
Seriously, you can tell these guys are children, I mean look at their postings. :P
Like I said, many times before, all they did was exploit a problem with the wordpress system. Real system engineers don’t take these guys seriously as it happens to alot of political websites.
The fact they are here, why not call up the websever and have them know Turkish IPs have been the cause of a recent hacking of your website.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:12 am
You will never stop the insults and ridicule against your petty prophet Muhammed and it’s petty ideals.
Script-Kiddy fucks using month old sploits to “send a message”, fuck Allah, fuck Muhammed and fuck your message. I will ensure Gasmonso is well prepared to deal with securing our communities message on the internet. Shit, we’ll raise a few hundred for redundant dedicated hosting, JUST TO SHOVE OUR MESSAGE DOWN YOUR FUCKING THROATS.
January 28th, 2007 at 2:42 am
Shaze,
You are no differnce than the hackers, please stop saying such stupid things, if they are stupid, you are doing the same, you insult people like me, and I didn’t do any thing to you or the site.
You curesed all Muslims and the religion and every body.
I feel bad for what’s going on, but all I can say just ignore them.
I hope for the people who does such a damage for this site, we have a perfect religion, so let the answer be the religion, not a destructive things, I know you feel bad about what’s going on the this site, but it’s not the right way to fight it.
I’m really sorry Gas for what happened, you are right it’s your property, and Islam forbid to attack people property.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:00 am
“I feel bad for what’s going on, but all I can say just ignore them.”
how can we ignore them when they attack us? why cant they simply ignore this site altogether? By the way, your religion isnt perfect if people can use it as an excuse to attack, abuse, and kill others.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:15 am
/me makes a quick backup of the cartoon on his own PC.
Gasmonso, how about making your site available for download or something? Hell, I’m sure if I printed it as a magazine every atheist in the area would be buying it:D You know? I might get to work on that one later this week… Let’s see how the script kiddies like that.
And for god’s sake, stop bragging about what you did MackRulZ! You used an age old exploit to bring the site down for 15 minutes. I am pretty sure there is a patched version of the CMS out already. It’s not like you hacked the Apache server or the Linux box. Just get over yourself and learn some decent English. It would do you much better than your petty hacking skills
January 28th, 2007 at 3:18 am
You can use any thing as an excuse, pictures for prophet Muhammed is not right, but and it’s forbidden from our religion, Muslims are not mad about the caricture, it’s about imaging Muhammed, it’s something we don’t like. Tell me what should you do about them?
Keep arguing with them, and then what?
I couldn’t change your minds to have a respectful argument about Islam and make you stop say F words and other thing about Islam, and you claim you are civilized, so what do you expect out of them and you consider them are not civlized.
Arguing with them is not going to do any better, all you can do, and I know most of you are IT guys, is to help Gasonmo against the attacks.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:13 am
Well to change ones mind, you need new, solid and believable arguments, repeating the same over and over does not make it any better.
Also it is hard to prove claims of ones religion being peaceful when that peace cannot be seen from the news. How much you want to chance the opinions that is not likely to happen until you chance the behavior of your brethren.
And I mean that just claiming those are radicals and they do not represent your faith does not cut it. That is an excuse, a feeble one, which various religions, governments and such use to cover up their own creations.
If my teachings would cause someone to go out and kill people, am I innocent if I say they misunderstood my message? No, it just means my message is not good if it can be so easily used for bad.
I am as guilty of their deeds because I taught them something which caused them to do something else. Without the teachings they would not have used it as excuse for their behavior.
Being part of a group means you are part of the groups failings. Take responsibility of your group or denounce it.
January 28th, 2007 at 9:58 am
Why are we even trying to educate these people?
it’s like talking sense into a brick wall. They don’t even speak english for crying out loud. their german is marginally better, but not a lot.
When people lash out against anything they don’t agree with instead of trying to understand it, live with it and find a way to accept it they do not deserve a place in this world.
Turkey should never ever join the EU if there are moron like them in there. Hell, we should pull back aid, stop trading and let them think about what the fuck they’re doing. (with regards to human right, but i digress)
If you’re not even trying to be critical about what you see and hear around yourself then please, as has been said before, go blow up some rival faction and stop bothering the intelligent world (that’s us) with your retarded shouting.
In fact, come over to Amsterdam (the Netherlands), I’ll give a box to stand on and you can go proclaim your message on the market square. maybe you’ll see that we can actually be tollerant about other people.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:00 am
I understand it’s wrong to have an image of Mohamed in Islam, but why do they care if other people have those images?
For instance, Islam forbids eating of pork as well, but I don’t see them threatening to blow up BBQ places.
I’d really like an answer, from anyone who as a reasonable explanation
January 28th, 2007 at 11:32 am
@maxieZ-
“Reasonable” is not part of the religious vocabulary. In fact, it flies in the face of blind faith. As long as people see belief without reason as noble, this world is in a ton of trouble.
How is it possible to have a rational discourse with anybody who believes their prophet (profit?) flew to heaven on a winged horse? Or, who deny science against OVERWHELMING evidence?
Were it not so dire, these BILLIONS of delusional maniacs would be laughable. As it stands, the “moderate” religious types only serve to give cover and creedence to the most fanatical among them.
By framing the “debate” in terms of “reasonable non-violent adhearants of peaceful religion against those of no faith” we, automatically, give validity to the former’s idiodic and archaic fantasy.
Exposing the darkness of cowering to an imaginary boogy-man to the light of science and UNDERSTANDING, is my goal.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Mohamed,
I’m going to have to call your bluff on this one. There is ample art by Muslims, especially early Muslims, that depict Muhammad in full. There is even a building in Modern Day Iran that has a mural with Muhammad and it has not been torn down or protested against.
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/
Does it not seem more likely that they were upset with the way Muhammad was pictured? And why did they explode over a Danish newspaper, when similar or worse depictions had happened in other newspapers for years? Why were they not upset about the “Super Best Friends” episode of South Park, which reached far more people than the Danish Paper, but aired in 2001?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends
The answer: in 2001 there was a little less tension between the Middle East and the West. The Danish cartoons were just another inconsistent excuse for violent protest.
On a side note, the reason early Muslims depicted Muhammad in art is that the Qur’an does not forbid it. The Qur’an only forbids idolatry. Aniconism (the prohibition of drawing living things) did not become common Islamic practice until the 9th century, when leaders of that time thought that banning such depictions would be helpful in preventing idolatry.
January 28th, 2007 at 11:58 am
How do you want the Muslims to be peaceful, and the attacked every where, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan and plastine.
I promise you, if USA and Israel leave the region, you will find Muslims so peacefull, but I thing it’s legitmate to fight for your freedom, or don’t you agree.
I got sick and tired of people whining about Islam, Islam said to attcak whom attack you and by the same way, the only differnce that we don’t have cluster bombs or jets, and the most important we don’t have the tvs and the media that shows that USA doing that for better world.
You are part of what the USA doing and the West, so you are violent like the same, it’s the same concept you use about Islam.
You are the same stupid as the people hacked this site, you will never learn to communicate with different faith, you are going to be like that till you get older, you will live your life as an igonrant and hateful for the others.
I hope people here understand that we have different culture than you, which culture is better, that’s arguable and it depends on every body mentality.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
A shining example of the one-sided thinking religion invokes. Here we have an individual claiming no responsibility for actions done in the name of religion. Predicated upon that, this individual is unable to comprehend that their own actions are unethical, yet willing and eager to deliver penalties to others who respond in turn to their bad behavior. To put it another way, “you will pay for making silly pictures of me, but it is alright for me to unlawfully shut your site down.”
It is a remarkably twisted world that believers live in. They are willing to suspend all moral and ethical behavior for things that are unproved while simultaneously claiming to be the vanguard of morality and ethics. They proceed then into the world conducting unacceptable behavior with their moral blank checks and become irritated when the civilized around them disagree.
The rational world will never agree with you, MackRulZ and others, because your thinking is fundamentally irrational. You leave no room for enlightened discussion and do not operate in a logical fashion. You assume that all of us should take what you claim to be true at face value. That is impossible. Every claim must be validated and every proposition must be supported by evidence.
Religions have been corrupting society for thousands of years and have never once presented a shred to indicate their assertions are actually true. Never mind there is no answer as to why Islam is true and Christianity or any other religion is not (and vice versa).
I do hope all of you start to evaluate your belief systems. They are characteristically self-destructive, and that description does not apply to Islam alone. And in self-destructive, I do mean not just to you but humanity as well. The moment any meme should instill a desire to render harm, it should immediately be called into question and hopefully discarded. Dogma such as these sap precious time and resources from people everywhere that could be better spent improving lives.
Nothing constructive can come from religion. Only with a language all people can understand, the language of reason, can we hope to achieve anything. To offer a great irony, skills of mathematics, physics, and engineering: all practices based on unyielding logic, were necessary to build temples. I posit that if god were real, those structures would be built with prayer. The reality is simply that this act comes after the final stones have been laid.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
[Si]dragon,
What if Muslims think that your values are wrong, so what the solution?
you talk like your society is perfect, and that’s your problem, you attack the Muslim countries, I would agree if USA were fighting for values or changing the ME, but they fight for the oil, so please think before you write.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Mohamed, I seriously doubt that the Middle East will arrive at peace easily if the US and Israel were to disappear. I may not live there or anything, but from what I see it looks like there is little short of a civil war in much of it, with Iraq as the epicenter. I see a Shi’ite Iran trying to gain dominant influence in a Shi’ite majority Iraq, with Jordan and other Sunni countries getting ready to make moves of their own. If the US just leaves and tells them to “work it out”, I can’t imagine anything short of war. You will probably say that the US is the cause; I say that their arrival certainly didn’t help, but it’s gone beyond their control. If the place melts into chaos, oil prices will likely skyrocket due to difficulty in getting supply, and that would not help us at all. So we want peace as much as anyone else at this point, if anything just so we can get the hell out and make things the way they used to be.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
The only reason the Arab world was docile before the European powers was because they were already the lower class citizens of the Euro-Anatolian Ottoman Empire. Ironically, they did not enjoy self-rule for 400 years until AFTER the European powers intervened.
The Arab world was not a peaceful land of unicorns and rainbows before the modern European nation states.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Up front, allow me to say that I do not intend to single-out Islam. It is one in a large selection of religions that condone and perpetuate irrational behavior. To answer your question, I would ask that their disagreements be supported by a reasoned argument and evidence if appropriate. Referencing statements made by their holy book does not suffice unless they can prove their holy book is indeed the word of god. Then they have to prove god exists and is the final authority. It is not a very deep regression, but it is one that has yet to be traversed by any religion claiming to have a book full of absolute truth.
The only value I submit is that all humans act reasonably towards each other. It easy to see that everyone violates this principle on occassion and at our peril. What follows this is up to debate, but whatever we decide must be logical and never because someone “says so”. Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to digress much into this topic without turning a simple comment into a dissertation. Around late last year, I found a four-part essay titled The Roots of Morality (part two, three, and four) which goes into detail quite nicely.
I am afraid you misunderstand me. Your assumption I am from America is correct while your assumption I believe my society is perfect could not be farther from the truth. I try to be a vocal critic of our policies, both foreign and domestic. I find that Americans benefit tremendously from the oppression of the poor people all over the world and far be it for me to find this acceptable. In the United States, the poor are overburdened. Abroad, my country supports governments that favor our interests over those of their proletariate. Again, I will not digress into how or why. My purpose is only to vindicate that I am not biased in favor of any one particular society unless that society behaves rationally. The United States, unfortunately and inexcusably, does not.
I am not attacking Islamic countries, I am attacking Islam and also attacking Christianity and Judaism and any other dogma that would have adherents believe and act in the absence of evidence and without doubt. Also, I do agree that our middle-east policy is to secure oil for our national interest. This is to be abhorred as the abonination it is as it is irrational and therefore immoral in the extreme.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Mohamed,
I’m not sure if your post 71 was supposed to answer my post 70, but it certainly did not.
You claim that Muslims are angry because the cartoons depict Muhammad. However, there is Muslim art that depicts Muhammad and they don’t get angry about that. There have been hundreds of political cartoons over the last 2 decades that depict Muhammad in even worse light but they didn’t protest those. South Park had an entire episode where Muhammad was part of a team of religious figures that fight crime. No protests. Why the Danish cartoons? What makes them special?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Mohamed Said:
“Shaze,
You are no differnce than the hackers, please stop saying such stupid things, if they are stupid, you are doing the same, you insult people like me, and I didn’t do any thing to you or the site.
You curesed all Muslims and the religion and every body.
I feel bad for what’s going on, but all I can say just ignore them.”
You know, sometimes I really like you, Mohamed. I mean it. I think you’re basically a good guy, even though most of the time your posts come off as unintentional trolls - I do like you.
“we have a perfect religion”
Nope. Nothing a man creates is perfect. This includes your religion. I know you think Allah created it, but if Allah did create it, there are some logical problems with it… meaning either Allah is imperfect, or that Allah didn’t create it.
Andrew: good question. I think the difference is that we’re all being jerked around. Muslims and non-Muslims from “western” countries are being manipulated. I think we should focus on finding out who’s giving the orders… but I doubt that will ever happen.
January 28th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Andrew, I think i can answer that one. they’re have a prominent position. they make an easy target.
mohamed, I think everyone has the right to defend their country from foreign invaders, I totally agree with the iraqi people fighting the US soldiers, what i do not agree with is the “Us versus Them” attitude the world has adopted against the islam.
It’s a sad thruth that we (read: USA) (not that i’m american, but what the hell) need the us vs them attitude to achieve anything, it’s either spain, napolean, hitler, the soviets or now, muslims.
however, the muslims knee-jerk response is not aimed at the USA, like that of the soviet government, or against the allied armies, but at everyone non-muslim or living in the western world.
Still blaming muslims for everything is wrong. We (still not american, but keeping up the belief that all of us live in the USA) might as well have said “It’s the millionairs who didi it” after, besides being a muslim, Bin laden was a millionaire to.
but it’s time that every thick headed muslim (NOTE: not saying every muslim is thick headed) in the world get to grasps with the fact that we are not out to get your ******* god, we’re not out to insult your backward religion (in particular). We bothered by the fact that you gefuse to take any responsibility for the actions you take. irresponsible actions that hurt other deserve punishment, wether you’re six years old, or merely acting like one.
People who just go and say “The koran said i had to do it” is basically just saying “I was just following orders” (neurenberg anyone?)
I’ve heared a striking quote once, paraphrased in english it goes something like this
January 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
That’s Godwin’s Law for you…
January 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
It’s like the lamest news page since the site’s beginnings..
I wonder when 12 years old wonderscript-kiddy will reach the end of his attention span and go somewhere else…
January 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Godwin’s Law only really counts when Hitler/Nazis are used in a way to just throw blame around. In this case I think it is used legitimately.
Also, Naery, I think the script-kiddy left a while ago. Now it’s just us, rambling as usual…:)
January 28th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Here’s a video in Turkish about the Cyber-Warriors. I am awaiting a translation of the video. Till then take a peek and you’ll see the script-kiddies are actually script-adults.
Anywho, I’ll get back to business as usual on Monday.
gasmonso
January 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
does anybody know if these “hackers” have actually accomplished anything else? is there only claim to fame this attack on religiousfreaks?
January 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Lots, they are just contractors for hire; they don’t beleive in the messages they deliver. (Unlike Mohamed)
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=HACKED+BY+AKINCILAR
January 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
hey gasmonso !
pay your attention here, dont deal with the wrong links
http://www.cyber-security.org/CW/BasindaBiz/default.asp
http://www.zone-h.org/index2.php?option=com_mirrorwrp&Itemid=43&id=4318949
http://www.nu.nl/news/780049/50/Website_Geert_Wilders_opnieuw_gehackt.html
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article388437.ece
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/66542
http://wap.fok.nl/pda/index.fok/66542
http://www.verkiezingenlive.nl/2006/geert-wilders-website-gehackt.html
http://www.webwereld.nl/articles/42016/website-geert-wilders-valt-ten-prooi-aan-hackers.html
http://www.ejure.nl/f_dossier/news_id=3395/news.html
http://www.techzine.nl/nieuws/10286/Website-Partij-Wilders-nogmaals-gehacked.html
http://www.knipselkrant.nl/Politiek/tabid/102/hmod/detail/cs/761/news_id/1009773382/pr/543322/type/portal/default.aspx
http://www.linkselection.be/det.asp?what=Website-Geert-Wilders-opnieuw-gehackt&go=8328268〈=nl
http://www.feed24.com/go/23185687
http://www.mijneigenweblog.nl/weblog/entry.php?w=NKNieuws&e_id=18352
http://carmen.web-log.nl/carmen/2006/07/website_geert_w_1.html
http://rookgordijn.web-log.nl/rookgordijn/2006/07/vanwege_cartoon.html
http://islam.startpagina.nl/nieuws/
http://nl.novopress.info/?p=487
http://www.prownet.nl/nieuwsbericht.php?ID=1906#reactie
The things I ve done so far are the signs I will do
MackRulZ
January 28th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
I wish if someone of you, was from Muslim country, and see form out eye, and see what challanges we face, we have wars aginst us, and that’s not big issue, the worst thing that our govenment wroking for USA, and they don’t even provide any thing to the people, and there is no jobs. If you lived like somebody in ME, you will know what the frustration mean.
I experinced that situation, I got so frustrated, and you feel like you want to kill your self, but you can’t. you have no job no career no future.
if you experienced this, there is two ways, either you can get out of the situation and that’s so hard, or doing something wrong, which some Muslims doing now.
I wish if USA invested all of this money in educating and devolping peopel, instead of killing, USA would be way off.
We don’t claim that our religion came from a man, it came from God, and God will not be here to apply it, God gives to people to apply it, and he is watching to see who is applying it and who is not.
I really disgree with this stupid attack against the site, it’s not going to do any better for the Muslims.
January 28th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Mohamed, you make some good points.
Many people in ME have few freedoms, and few opportunities to improve their lives. Their governments are oppressive and violent, they do not help the people. And many of the ME governments work with the US. And the US does not help the ME people.
But the people in ME do not fight their bad governments. The people do not rise up and demand changes. The people have some responsibility also to make things better.
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Mohamed, is it strange to you that ALL religious people claim that their religion came from god? (Except, maybe, Buddhists.)
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Finally, Mohamed has said that he thinks that most Muslims do not behave true to Islam. If we accept, for the moment, that this is correct, then maybe it would be better for all of us to simply say that we disagree with the beliefs and (some) actions of most Muslims. Perhaps there is some mythical Islam, that nobody practices, that we could get along with.
I mean, sure, we’d still disagree with the whole supernatural/god story, and requiring people to be obedient to irrational dictates, but maybe if people actually followed a strict code of peace, non-violence, and mutual respect for everyone, we could be OK with that? I think that I could.
It just doesn’t seem to be happening anywhere. I don’t know of any Muslims doing it. And I don’t know of any Jews doing it. And among Christians, I only know of a very very tiny group of people, the Catholic Workers, who dedicate their lives to working for peace and helping the poor.
January 29th, 2007 at 12:20 am
fotomatt, there are good people out there who are religious. Trust me, I’ve met many. The reason you don’t know about them is that they don’t fight for your attention. They don’t wage wars against anyone who disagrees with them, or call other people the Devil. I say in complete confidence that virtually all religious people I know are ordinary people who just want to live their lives. But those aren’t the kind of people who make headlines, so you don’t hear about them. Yes, the news talks constantly about the negative things Muslims have done. But when you hear about Christianity (as one example) in the news, is it really that much better? It seems like all I hear about is the religious right and the Westboro Baptist Church. I can’t imagine the Middle East hears anything better. The world now has over one billion Muslims. How many of them have called for the fall of the West? A hundred perhaps have become ‘leaders’? Maybe several thousands or perhaps even millions follow them? What of the hundreds of millions of others that are just trying to get by? Don’t throw them all in the same boat. We’ll just alienate them more, and nothing will get better.
January 29th, 2007 at 2:24 am
“Don’t throw them all in the same boat.”
THROW them? As though it was my doing? I think they got into the boat on their own.
But yes, of course there are many people who are religious who have no desire for hatred and war. People of many different faiths.
And yet, every time I see another instance of oppression, violence, hatred, misogyny, murder, or genocide rationalized on the basis of some religion, committed in the name of some religion, I can’t help but ask HOW other people can continue to stand by that religion, over and over and over again.
As for myself, I have no faith, but I know that when people in my community do “bad” things, then I am ethically impelled to speak out against such wrongs. And if everyone in my community accepted such behaviors, then I would either loudly fight against it or I would leave that community.
And the same when my government commits atrocities. I speak out. I resist. I try to make my voice heard. If I do not resist, then surely I become complicit in their crimes.
I expect only that people of faith should do the same.
There are Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do many horrible, brutal things in the name of their religion, in the name of their god. There are some Christians who stand up against such Christian atrocities, but not many. And there are a few Jews who do the same against Jewish atrocities, but not many. And amongst Muslims, I would truly like to know more about the Muslims (individuals and organizations) who stand up against the horrors committed by Muslims.
January 29th, 2007 at 2:31 am
This is from their website cyber-warrior.org. Translation might be tad off but my friend is not proficient in turkey,he just has good dictionaries.
Our Mission;
# All Members and Units of Cyber-Warrior TIM are considered to adopt in principle of all of this mission and its principles no subject to any conditon.
# Main Purpose and Object of TIM is, to put a stop or prevent any kind of web publications of sites that are against Islam, enemy of Islam, all kinds of Satanic and Pornographic Sites which might lead innocent brains into different directions.
# All of the clauses of Cyber-Warrior TIM Mission are considered to be made simple and clear. This is to say; none of the web-publications or sites ( such as any kind of religious sites or sites belonging to any foreign country ) are considered to be a Cyber-Warrior TIM TARGET unless they violate the rules stated above.
# We are respectfull to all the religions and religion opinions which doesnt attact us.
# Any kind of publications and cases against Turkiye are covered by TIM’s principles.
# Any kind of technical support and help about security and similar issues will be provided by Cyber-Warrior TIM to those, who publishes their sites in the way that relates to Cyber-Warrior TIM Principles without any benefit.
# Cyber Warrior TIM cannot be associated with or be related to any kind of political sentiments or ideology of any organization, party, association, foundation and body politic including its own users of different ideas and political sentiments.
TIM is only related to its Mission stated above.
Rules;
# It is definetely forbidden for users to make attacks using TIM name and its logo. Whoever breaks this rule will be banned from the system.
# Members are got admission and placed in the teams according to their expertise and are briefed according to their responsibilites and jobs.
# Group Administrators are free to choose their associates on their own and are held responsible for their team. .
# TIM Mission cannot be critized or judged by any individual, group or members under any circumstances. The Mission Rules can only be revised by Superior Administration and its Strategy Group if necessary.
# It is strictly forbidden to leak or share any kind of information of any confidential and educational documents, files, programs, links, any kind of materials or tools that are under the property of Cyber Warrior , to any other platforms.
# Those, who have any kind of suspicious attempts or similar actions to leak into TIM - determined by CW Intelligence Group and Reports - are discharged and punished accordingly.
Cyber-Warrior TIM / Information Group
January 29th, 2007 at 3:55 am
so basically, they are a selfproclaimed hitler-jugend for turkey, usually countries need many years of indoctrination and propaganda just to get people to join such a group, let along make one of their own initiative.
January 29th, 2007 at 5:19 am
IT-Facism?
January 29th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Mohamed said:
I wish if USA invested all of this money in educating and devolping peopel, instead of killing, USA would be way off.
I hear you buddy. Imagine if war ceased to exist tomorrow… imagine the world we would live in. Isn’t it strange that if you asked anyone in the world, they would say that they want world peace… and yet here we are far, far from it.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:25 am
“Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace.”
-Lennon
Ok, I couldn’t resist.
January 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Sigh… I don’t know if you caught it yet or not, but we really weren’t that put off by your attack… or your threats, battle cries, or prayers. This site is still here, we’re still posting, and you should just join the debate.
Sorry “I Make ( Mack ) The Rules ( RulZ )”, if that is your real internet handle, but your mission failed and the infedel is not afraid.
January 29th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Now, now, sidfaiwu, you’re starting to sound like one of those Communists, with their red flags and baby-eating. Nobody wants that, now do they?
January 29th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
No, no! Wrong Lenin ;)
January 29th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Told you so, Sid (sidfaiwu) crossing to the dark side. Apocalypse is near! Run for your lives! The seventh seal is being broken! Oh, the humanity…
P.S. Gasmonso, since when does it requires to include email?
January 29th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Trust me, I knew the reference. That Lenin was a Commie pinko bastard too, what with his nude album covers and his Yokos. I mean, if he wasn’t a Commie, why did the government tap his phones and follow him?
January 29th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Oops, wrote Lenin when I meant Lennon. See, now your dissembling is clouding the truth even within my own mind! Before we know it you’ll have me praising the working man and saluting Marx! :)
January 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
I Are:
since forever?
January 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Let’s talk a little bit about corruptibility and ethics for a moment shall we? Let’s talk about Police and power figures (i.e. Priests etc); let’s put people into a decision where their ethics could be called into play.
Imagine for a moment, that you are put in a predicament where you are forced to act against something you hate, or believe in. For example, arresting/stopping someone from hurting an innocent person. (Child etc) What would stop you from hurting this person? Your training? Your morals? What about taking money from a drug dealer? To feed your family/homeless people?
Does anyone see the point I’m making? This shit happens on a daily basis; worldwide, and in every facet of existence. Religions do not enforce better ethics; in fact, they are the main/only source of people ignoring government imposed mandates. (i.e. Drug money and Repercussions, being better spent by a greater consensus of people; like a government.)
Muhamed: Life is tough the world over buddy; it may seem better here because we have less religion, but your sob story is better spent on the thousands of third world countries, WHO ARE WORSE OFF than you or your people.
Religion is the sole CAUSE of all our problems, and is definitely not the solution to any of them.
January 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
That’s right, Snurp. All hail Groucho Marx!
January 29th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Shaze said:
“Does anyone see the point I’m making?”
Ummm… No. I didn’t see much of a point. I kept waiting for one, but it never really showed up.
“Religion is the sole CAUSE of all our problems…”
Was that your point? Whether it was or not, I very strongly disagree with your statement. There are so very many things to criticize about religion, but let’s not be so foolish as to place it as the one and only basis of all our problems.
Why is there global warming? Religion.
Why haven’t physicists found a Grand Unified Theory? Religion.
Why do we have an appendix? Religion.
We can do better than that.
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“To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.” — H Poincare
January 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
“Religion is the sole CAUSE of all our problems”
Really? You can back this up? You can remove such motivations as greed, lust, corruption, nationalism, hate, bigotry, racism, sexism, absent-mindedness, ignorance, not reading the warning label before you try to use a baby stroller as a skateboard, and any other negative drive/emotion/cause and instead show that it is all really religion? I doubt it.
To sidfaiwu:
It is good to see that I’m not the only one who knows the TRUTH!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_marx#.22Marx_and_Lennon.22
January 30th, 2007 at 4:53 am
Hey MackRulz.
Those links you provide are all news links about the same “hack” as you would call it.
Yes, I do speak Dutch.
I call it “searching for exploits on metasploit and using them as a scriptkiddie”.
January 30th, 2007 at 8:28 am
indeed, sorry for you, but Rik here is right. They’re not a dozen different acts, but rather the same act covered by different sources. Also, in the case mentioned, the site was back up within mere minutes.
Also, I doubt you actaully read his party program, he actually has some good points (to bad the bad idea’s tend to blot those out) Though this is the wrong place to discuss dutch politics
January 30th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Mack,
I have an idea for you that gets you your 79 Virgins or whatever the hell your moronic prophet promised you. Strap a bomb on made with thermite. Then find the shortest pier in the area and take a long walk on it. as you reach the end, trigger the bomb. Thermite will burn under water thus making this a suicide mission. The fish that die beneath you are infidels as they don’t believe in Allah so you take out infidel scum. Then we have the side benefit of eliminating one more religious psycho from the gene pool.
If you don’t like that there is always the option of eating large amounts of lead. Simply strap on a fake bomb and start walking towards the nearest U.S. military outpost. I know a few Marines who will be more than happy to help you meet your recommended daily allowance of jacketed .223 rounds. They might even give you a surplus for later. I hear U.S. Marine gunfire is like Chicken Soup for the Radical Muslim soul.
Thinking of your trip to eternity,
Mike