Ah now this is a story that has DANGER written all over it. I can run with this story in a dozen different directions, most of which will get me hate mail :) But we are professional amateurs here so let us begin.
Ok, what do you call a person with no arms and no legs who is shaving? Nick. Well to be exact, his name is Nick Vujicic and he was born without arms and legs. Before you fire off the hate mails, you should really read the entire story. You’ll see what I mean. Now, while that would devastate the average human, it has only fueled Vujicic to better himself and countless others.
Confused yet? Allow me to explain. Nick Vujicic is a man of many trades. He is a motivational speaker, real estate investor, stock market investor and author. But most importantly, Nick is an evangelist who travels the world spreading the word of God. Now one would think that Nick would be upset with God, since he forgot to give him arms and legs. But Nick is a “the glass is half full” kind of guy. He often tells people “I stand before you today as a miracle of God.”
Now think about that for a minute. Is he really a miracle of God or just some guy that was dealt poor genes? Now whenever I see someone like this preaching the word of God, one explanation comes to mind. I think that people like Nick need to prove to others and themselves, that they are just as capable and in control of their life. The want to believe that there is a reason for their condition and they weren’t just screwed over by the man upstairs.
They say God works in mysterious way. But no matter how you slice it, Nick Vujicic is one fascinating person. He has accomplished more than many people under circumstances that would cripple most. Whether or not God has anything to do with it, you decide.
Thanks to Headline Junky once again for the story!
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August 29th, 2010 at 9:41 am
This is important for you to read and understand. It’s a really good read.
August 29th, 2010 at 8:58 am
wassim, what religion are you referring to, that you claim half the world follows? See e.g.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Regardless, all religion is bunk and generally harmful. People who believe in sky fairies therefore deserve to be mocked, and chastised. Get over it, loser.
August 29th, 2010 at 8:30 am
stop laughing at half the world’s(including my) religion. if you dont believe in it then just dont say anything
and like the saying goes: if u cant say anything nice than dt say anything at all
and : defend your beliefs by not hurting other’s
August 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
What a waste of a gorgeous hairy chest.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/01/article-1196755-058DCDF9000005DC-866_634×784.jpg
July 31st, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Umm, how is this genetic glitch turned religious huckster & cash grabber inspiring? And why couldn’t a god make all of us, Nick included, with perfect legs, and knees that don’t give out. Isn’t christian god supposed to be flawless?
sounds more like a genetic defect or disease, to me. And why did god cause disease? Seems evil.
Fuck, religious freaks are stupid.
July 31st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Ughhh. These posts are SO annoying. If it’s a site called Religiousfreaks.com, why do atheists visit the site arguing? -_- If you don’t like it, then visit another site. Geez. anyway, this is quite the inspiring story.
July 16th, 2010 at 3:45 am
This is a great web page and I wanted to post a little post to let you know, nice job!
July 12th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Umm, how is any of that a miracle, or divine? And why couldn’t a god make all of us, Nick included, with perfect legs, and knees that don’t give out. Isn’t christian god supposed to be flawless?
sounds more like a genetic defect or disease, to me. And why did god cause disease? Seems evil.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Nick spoke at the nightvision festival in Colorado this weekend and I have never been so touch. It made me realize that I need to thank God that I have the legs to run. He also helped remind me that God has a plan and a purpose for all of us no matter how we were born or what our circumstances are. Nick IS a miracle- he is changing lives and he changed mine.
June 4th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Loved the post, many thanks for the great work - I don’t usually like to reply to blog posts but stumbled on this post on accident. Keep posting more like this!, I favorited your site!
May 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
WTF
May 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
How sad, that people like you still believe in sky fairy gods that are obviously just pure fiction.
There are many awful harms that belief in your particular god fiction has caused, from the crusades to all the priests buggering little boys and then being hidden from the law by the church, to just general inability to reason among the populace. That’s harm enough for one nasty religion, and that’s just to get started.
Truth about your awful religion is here. Read it and learn:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
How sad, that people like you still believe in sky fairy gods that are obviously just pure fiction.
There are many awful harms that belief in your particular god fiction has caused, from the crusades to all the priests buggering little boys and then being hidden from the law by the church, to just general inability to reason among the populace. That’s harm enough for one nasty religion, and that’s just to get started.
Truth about your awful religion is here. Read it and learn:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 27th, 2010 at 1:51 am
NETYAHOO: you make me laugh, obviously I hit a nerve because you went on a tangent about my religious beliefs (FAIRY GODS) read my post again, never did I say what I BELIEVE IN. I never claimed to be a believer of any religious domination, I never even mentioned what my personal beliefs are.
So your entire post was pointless
You wrote Fuck your stupid Jesus stories - You a such a pathetic TOOL
I never wrote a Jesus story I never even mentioned the name Jesus infact you dont know if I even believe in Jesus. It is idiots like you who are judgemental uneducated and over opinionated that pollute society.
Get a grip - the message of my post is: it doesnt matter about individual beliefs it matters what you do with those beliefs, there is good and bad in any religion, in any society. Truth about my awful religion… you have no clue about me or my beliefs if I even have any, your ignorance makes me sad & embarresed for you Nick is using his life to do good to help others - END OF STORY
May 26th, 2010 at 11:07 am
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May 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Interesting posts you made. Nice one is.
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May 26th, 2010 at 10:44 am
How sad, Sinead, that people like you still believe in sky fairy gods that are obviously just pure fiction.
There are many awful harms that belief in your particular god fiction has caused, from the crusades to all the priests buggering little boys and then being hidden from the law by the church, to just general inability to reason among the populace. That’s harm enough for one nasty religion, and that’s just to get started.
Truth about your awful religion is here. Read it and learn:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 26th, 2010 at 12:42 am
Netyahoo Im an atheist and even i think ur a dumb ass!
sounds like a priest might of buggered u as a boy u need help lol
May 26th, 2010 at 12:25 am
NETYAHOO: you make me laugh, obviously I hit a nerve because you went on a tangent about my religious beliefs (FAIRY GODS) read my post again, never did I say what I BELIEVE IN. I never claimed to be a believer of any religious domination, I never even mentioned what my personal beliefs are.
So your entire post was pointless
You wrote Fuck your stupid Jesus stories - You a such a pathetic TOOL
I never wrote a Jesus story I never even mentioned the name Jesus infact you dont know if I even believe in Jesus. It is idiots like you who are judgemental uneducated and over opinionated that pollute society.
Get a grip - the message of my post is: it doesnt matter about individual beliefs it matters what you do with those beliefs, there is good and bad in any religion, in any society. Truth about my awful religion… you have no clue about me or my beliefs if I even have any, your ignorance makes me sad & embarresed for you Nick is using his life to do good to help others - END OF STORY
May 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
How sad, Sinead, that people like you still believe in sky fairy gods that are obviously just pure fiction.
There are many awful harms that belief in your particular god fiction has caused, from the crusades to all the priests buggering little boys and then being hidden from the law by the church, to just general inability to reason among the populace. That’s harm enough for one nasty religion, and that’s just to get started.
Truth about your awful religion is here. Read it and learn:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 25th, 2010 at 8:31 am
How sad that people still try to overshadow a beautiful story about a beautiful human being, by targeting his belief in God. I ask the question does it really matter? whether Nick found peace, the will to live or the motivation and love to help inspire millions of people around the world does it matter where he believes that strength comes from. he uses his courageous story to HELP people, to inspire people, to give people hope. how many of us who have been fortunate enough to be born with all our limbs in tact are able to claim we use ourselves as a vessel for such a good and worthy cause. Nick is an amazing human being, with or without limbs, that is where the true miracle lies, that is where the truth exists, inside the man. Whether he claims it to be God & religion or new age metaphysics, whether he thinks it due to his support network or therapist or a frinkin bar of chocolate. The results are still the same, he doesnt preach you MUST believe in GOD, he simply tells people of his belief of how his belief may inturn help you. He certainly is not doing any harm. No one can prove either way if its the miraculous works of divine intervention. So whats the point in arguing over it. Take it for what it is a good man with a great gift to inspire and bring about positive change in the world and that is nothing short of extrodinary
May 20th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
It was inevitable:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10132762.stm
May 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Matthew, you. We are not to try. We simply piss water it. We simply piss water it. We simply piss water it.
We are around here random crap obsessed I believe.
May 20th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Uh, Matthew, your awful religion’s message is full of evil and horror, not love or compassion. You are full of crap and you don’t know your own book of evil. Just read here about your horrid bible, and do some thinking for a change:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 19th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Matthew, you are entirely correct. We are not to try to “force” people to come to God, we simply plant the seed, and then let God water it.
Don’t worry about that “you suck post”. We have a spam-troll around here who uses other people’s names and posts random crap about something called “evolution” and “athiesm”. It seems that he also is obsessed with the word “fu–” as he uses it in every post. (he is obsessed with having intimate relations with religion, I believe.)
May 17th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Uh, Matthew, your awful religion’s message is full of evil and horror, not love or compassion. You are full of crap and you don’t know your own book of evil. Just read here about your bible, and do some thinking for a change:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Reading through this thread I was stuck with a message I took away from a Bible study I recently attended. During the study I read a quote that was quite profound to me. It was from Phillip Yancey’s book “Rumors from Another World” and it reads “No one ever converted to Christianity because they lost the argument.” If someone doesn’t want to believe in God, they’re not going to. As Christians, we’re called to witness the best we can to those who don’t believe, but there is a time to simply walk away. It’s hard, but sometimes all we can do is pray for and minister to that person whenever we have an opportunity. It’s not about forcing someone to convert to Christianity, that’s God’s job and he does it quite well. I think we (including myself) sometimes get caught up trying to prove we’re right instead of sharing God’s message with the lost with love and compassion. I often wonder how many people have been turned away from Christ by the very people who are supposed to be His followers and witnesses of His loving grace, mercy and forgiveness. Just my two cents. Nick has an awesome way to presenting his faith in a loving and non-judgmental way. I’m certainly taking notes :-)
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May 8th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
=o i saw him yesterday at a conference. thnx for changing my life ^-^
May 6th, 2010 at 11:11 am
MRBO, when you get a break from being “panished” by your particular invented evil deity, go read up on Pascal’s Wager and Occam’s Razor.
Then go witness this. Read on:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 6th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Be atheist if you want ! But don’t forget this : refuting God doesn’t mean that He doesn’t exist ! People have different faiths and representations of God. This means only one thing : human alteration has touched the religious texts, so that the representations are different ! Otherwize, there must be so many and different gods existing in the same time ! Or may be God is representing Himself differently for each religous group !? An irresponsible God in fact !!! But let’s be serious !
Now, in case you don’t agree with the representation of God in the Bible, please note that there is another one in the Quran, the Holy Book of Moslims. Moslims believe in ONE only God, powerful but generous, loving his creations but who will panish all those who will go against the STRIGHT WAY, which He clearly defined and described. Read about Him, may be you will like Him !
I remember someone telling the following about his non understanding and non acceptance of the existence of God : “I must have missed an episod !” Did he forget that the universe as represented now by scientists is aged of 13.7 billion years at least,(and they are still learning !) and that he is only a couple of decades old ? We as humans, never live enough to learn all about what is around us and is really existing.
I also remember what a bright astrophysician said during the 90s about the cosmos and the universe : the universe is so well, so beautifully realized and organized that there is only one valid explanation of the 2 following : either it is the creation of a Great God, or it is the perfect combination of several pure hazads ! For him the second option is more likely. One of my friends, when he knew about this, has commented : “HE HAS CHOSEN THE MOST COMPLICATED APPROACH ! AND THIS MAKES IT EVEN MORE COMPLICATED ! THINK ABOUT IT : ONLY PERFECT PURE HAZARDS DURING 13.7 BILLION YEARS !!! MY GOD !”
May 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Go witness this. Read on:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
May 4th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Byblos, no thanks for that vacuous post. Basically, you are saying that your belief in your fairy tale religion cuddly blanket makes you feel better. That’s your own frailty winning out, and not evidence for your personal god. Get a grip, on something other than your blanket.
May 4th, 2010 at 5:29 am
For all you people that are atheists, a friend of mine, an atheist himself, once told me, be at peace with your belief and your God, whatever it may be to you. For me God is the truth. And i am very much at peace with him and what i believe. The only thing that differentiates me from you atheists) is that my faith in God is strong, i actually do not question whether God exists. For me He is everything in my life. I do not need to see him, i do not need to hear him, for i already have him. And because of this, i can die tomorrow content… i do not worry or fear death…for i know. The sad thing is, is that you guys all lose out…the saddest thing is that you guys erased/extinguished God from your hearts that once dwelled in you. Christianity is not my religion, it is my faith…what i live for…for this materialistic life is temporary. Go to the desert and weep, and repent, and fill the thirsty ground with your tears and you will find Him there, where there is nothing. And there you will understand what life is.
May 3rd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
yes nick is a person of god and he dosent feel any diffrent then anybody else
April 20th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
With us you always get hooked.
April 20th, 2010 at 8:09 am
doh
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huh?
April 20th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Go witness this:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
April 20th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Wow i can´t believe people say it´s a miracle, if god like to make that kind of “miracles” with missing and broken shit, no way.
Only stupid people believe this miracle bullshit. Read here for truth about christian bible:
http://evilbible.com
April 20th, 2010 at 8:03 am
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
April 20th, 2010 at 1:35 am
why are you so afraid Korgan? don’t change your name or use other tags that belong to other’s. i can respect your positions on your belief, i just ask you respect my position.
Glad we got that cleared up. How is that refreshing taste of ice cold water? very refreshing:)
April 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Now go witness this:
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
April 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
http://evilbible.com
April 19th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Wow i can´t believe people say he´s a miracle, if god like to make that kind of “miracles” with missing and broken shit, no way.
Only stupid people believe this miracle bullshit. Read here for truth about christian bible:
http://evilbible.com
April 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
He is a miracle because God has made him like that so people suffering all around the world will see that they too can overcome their obstacles. He preaches to over 200,000 people (stadiums full) and personally goes and talks to prositutes, sex trafficking victims, outcasts in Mumbai who are considered low life, sick dying people, HIV positives etc. If a rich happy, all powerful person goes into these places I doubt they can see how ‘broken’ you are!!! God’s made him a MIRACLE because with his condition he can give hope that God can take the ‘foolish’ things of the world and make them into worthy miracles! Those of us who have normal lives can’t really save 200,000 souls in a life time! CAN WE???? God had a PURPOSE when He designed Nick! All that matters is in heaven, the crown of glory that Nick will wear compared to some of us who can’t even fullfill God’s tiny purpose for our lives because we are just selfish, self centered and lazy! Where as Nick with his disablities save 1000s and 1000s of souls!
April 19th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
http://evilbible.com
April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Wow i can´t belive people say he´s a miracle, if god like to make that kind of “miracles”, no way i´d better stay away from him and his miracles.
http://evilbible.com
April 18th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
i know i know God is able and has made away and Danielle knows it. Just praising God, seeing things He is doing through my brother and sisters- very exciting people. I am here to show you Who gives life and Jesus Christ is the only way for everyone. He has come to give you life. Praise God who is Jesus Christ, I am so in love with God!
April 18th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
oK so whoever wrote this must not have met him because if you ever spoken to him it would be obvious that he’s a miracle. He was born to inspire people and he knows that’s his purpose life; to bring others to jesus. He say’s himself “I would rather have no arms or legs and know my purpose rather than have limbs and not know why I was put on earth.
April 13th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Disease and shit happens. Shit, I think that’s a miracle.
http://evilbible.com
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
April 13th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Nick, no quiero preguntarte si podras leer este mensage, viendo lo maravilloso que eres, tu ser es un ejemplo de valor de optimismo de amor, te felicito por ese cortometrage “el circo de las Mariposas” eres ejemplo de inspiración y gracias a ti puedo comprender que la vida es lo mas hermoso que Dios nos ha dado y eso es lo que quiero expresarles a mis hijos, que Dios te siga bendiciendo y sigue adelante con todos tus proyectos, que no vas ni en la mitad de lo que Dios tiene en tu camino, gracias por todo.
April 9th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Disease happens. Shit, I think that’s a miracle.
http://evilbible.com.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
April 8th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Guys you should seriously start reading what you’re writing. Whether you’re a Christian or not you need to start respecting eachother and yourselves. This guy has actually helped hundreds of people through depression and tough times, so maybe religion aside, let’s acknowledge how much of an inspiration this dude is.
April 1st, 2010 at 7:42 am
It’s all here http://evilbible.com.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
March 30th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Shit happens. I think that’s a miracle.
March 30th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Wow i can´t belive people say he´s a miracle, if god like to make that kind of “miracles”, no way i´d better stay away from him and his miracles.
March 29th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
It happens to be a miracle due to the instance that even though Nick has these…complications, he praises God because he even has breath.
In the darkest night, the most dim light shines bright, showing you the path.
In broad daylight, why look for light? It is all around.
February 12th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Wow i can´t belive people say he´s a miracle, if god like to make that kind of “miracles”, no way i´d better stay away from him and his miracles.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Whoa there Johnny-girl. That be some evil god tree you be barking up thar. Miss Elliot, sir/ma’am. How are you to know that yer jeebus-on-a-stick guy is the right god, when there be more tasty evidence for our delectable one, past, pasta, and presented and served. We have proof for our god, proof y’all can taste and it be better than them thar meagre Christian communion crackers. Heck, those thin things don’t even hold up cheese well.
Just come on over to http://venganza.com for all the tasty evidential goodness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and none of the vengeance of that god guy of yours. Ya can even bring yer red wine too, and have a glass or three with thee, not just a whimpy little sip. Goes well with tomato sauce and pasta, but beer is welcome here too.
RAmen. Bobber out.
http://venganza.org
November 17th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I am a born again blessed Christan. Some of the respondents might want to think about waht they are writting. God is real! He was here long before the world was. How arrogent we humans (by the way HE made us) to say he does not exist or mock him. If you read the bible, you see ahat happens to thoes who did. It aint pretty. God is a loving God but he is also just. We will be juged, every one of us. I do not say this lightly. Think about it. I will pray for you. Please pray for me. Thanks.
November 13th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
What is so special about this guy? Doesn’t ANYONE remember Lobster Boy? His whole family was born like Nick! Here..read Lobster Boy’s story and his family’s. It’s definitely not motivational:
Lobster Boy!
Now you tell me, what is so special about Nick? Nothing. Maybe that’s God’s message? His 2nd message definitely is, “Don’t Breed”.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
no matter what language you post in, Nick’s state proves nothing at all about the existence of god. Brings it more into question, really.
So maybe that “move of God” that you were experiencing in your life was a bowel movement.
October 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
“Português”
Olá.
Deixo esta mensagem, com muito carinho e orgulho de ter uma pessoa como Nick, onde e comprovado o grande mover de DEUS em nossas vidas.
DEUS SEJA LOUVADO.
Ranyere Lima
Manaus-Amazonas
Brasil.
“Inglês”
Hello
I leave this message with great affection and pride to have someone like Nick, and which proved the great move of God in our lives.
Praise God.
Ranyere Lima
Manaus, Amazonas
Brazil.
October 5th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Too make it blindingly obvious I don’t think anyone is making fun of this guy for his handicap, I made a bad joke about it at the end of a re post that I screwed up, yes I took a poke, Im guilty of that, but that wasn’t my post it was a re post I made a joke about
October 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Dude, read what I said, I didn’t write the actual post its a re post, and I didn’t note that it was a re post, if you look at the end, I wrote a bad bad joke, it was awful I admit…but man look at my original, it shows the author, my comment is the crappy joke at the end.
to clear up the confusion:
here is the part I RE POSTED : Derf Destroyer of Worlds Says:
October 5th, 2009 at 1:57 am look at the dates :)
Sime Says:<_—— THIS is the guy who posted the original
April 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pm
You people who bash Nick are second grade humans. I’ve known him all my life and I can tell you he is a wonderful person with a huge heart.
You all sit there and compete with each other who can write more trash about him and his beliefs without recognising that your lives are pathetic and empty.
You all seriously need to grow up and get a life.
idiots.
Another comment: I wrote my joke at the end of this because I almost pissed my self laughing reading this
This is what I wrote, My awful joke that came out early this morning:
The thrill of victory and the agony of De feet…oh god Im sorry that was terribly mean of me
It was a goofy play on words that was a response to the post I re posted
It was my fault I should have listed what post number and ect.
October 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Derf, more likely, you won’t defend what you said because you can’t; what you said is testable and isn’t true:
Looking at the recent posts and even some of the older ones, well, they simply don’t even mention Nick’s physicality. Your error thus has been exposed!
Now, either point out which of the preceding posts are “bashing Nick”, and explain why you would claim that is the case, or a failing grade is exactly what your post deserves. So, fail whale to you, and a big one at that!
Criticizing an idea is not the same thing as attacking a person. Open criticism of ideas is an essential duty in a free society, although it is often discouraged by religious authorities.
October 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Ack I just noticed, I screwed up the repost, I didnt write the actuall post I just made a bad joke in reference to it. sorry about the confusion its back a couple pages.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Derf,
Can you point out which of the preceding posts are “bashing Nick”, and explain why you would claim that is the case? If you can’t do that for many posts, then your own post just gets a big fail whale.
http://katiechatfield.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fail-whale.jpg
Doesn’t look like any of the recent posts are bashing Nick, or his person. Some of the posts do criticize his beliefs rather than Nick himself, and there should be nothing wrong with doing that. Ideas are not people, and Nick’s religious ideas are pretty far wrong.
October 5th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Sime Says:
April 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pm
You people who bash Nick are second grade humans. I’ve known him all my life and I can tell you he is a wonderful person with a huge heart.
You all sit there and compete with each other who can write more trash about him and his beliefs without recognising that your lives are pathetic and empty.
You all seriously need to grow up and get a life.
idiots.
The thrill of victory and the agony of De feet…oh god Im sorry that was terribly mean of me
May 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
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The Advisory Board for the project includes Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bill Maher, Craig Venter, Richard Dawkins, Daniel C. Dennett, Stephen Pinker, Salman Rushdie, and Steven Weinberg. Frankly, these are some of my heroes, in some cases for the brave stances they have taken against religious idiocy.
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May 11th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
jagannath says: ” Something different and interesting to read, http://www.marshallthompson.org/wordpress/?p=398 ”
OK jag, i read this a while ago and i intended to have some “fun” with it but couldn’t because i couldn’t find it; but now i did! :D
I agree with the Mormon to a certain extent, “some” atheists are really cool (some of y’all are really, really funny, like Korgan lol. he’s a hoot and he just keeps trying to “proselytize” people lol. Little does he know, he’s fighting a losing battle :) y’all will “always” be in the “minority”! :) )
Y’all are being set up BIG TIME, in order to embrace “spiritualism” and this little article helped me to see how——–> http://creation.com/pagan-panic <—— ROFL apparently no matter what the “eviloutions” do to brainwash people to disbelieve that a Creator exists, they still wanna worship something even if it’s rocks lol. Oh my, i guess the pope of the “eviloutionists” , that Richard Dawkins would be scandalized if he knew! ROFL
Marshall said that :-
1. Atheists are reliable . [Welllllll, so are some Buddhists, Hindus Muslims, Satan worshipers, and yes even some Christians etc. :) ]
2. Atheists are brave. [Welllllll, so are some Buddhists, Hindus Muslims, Satan worshipers, and yes even some Christians etc. :) ]
3. Atheists are moral [Welllllll, so are some Buddhists, Hindus Muslims, Satan worshipers, and yes even some Christians etc. :) ]
What’s his point?! Is he God and does he know “the thoughts and intents of every heart”? Can he see the beginning from the end?
Oh, let me stop! yes, “some” atheists can be nice but it does not negate the fact that we’re in a “spiritual battle” Eph 6:12 and atheists are gonna be one of the first ones to be deceived because they don’t believe in God and thus they don’t believe that there’s a devil.
Take a look at it from the Christian perspective OK? The christian knows that in order to have eternal life, one must believe in God and have a personal relationship with Him and when the christian “truly” falls in love with God then they would want to obey Him. God commissioned His followers to “Share Him” with others and Christians are supposed to this by, Tah dah :- Example, example ,example [take a look at the last 6 commandments Exodus 20:12-17 (King James Version) ]If the commandments are “rightly” followed then people would actually like (and eventually love) the Christian faith. However, it’s hard for the Christian to do good also because we are all sinners and prone to do evil and if we don’t surrender “daily” to God we tend to fall into temptation and we end up sinning : ( God forgives us when we are genuinely repentant though :)
Anyways, “some” atheists are intelligent and charming and witty and honest and yadda yadda, we do like y’all that’s why it hurts us too, when we see that y’all are gonna miss out on eternal life because of “unbelief”[ BTW, we're supposed to love the atheists that are not so nice also:) ] Could you imagine if a loved one of a Christian is to be “romantically” swept away by an atheist? Eternally speaking, that could be detrimental for that Christian’s loved one!
Well now to address the beliefs of the Mormons. Apparently Mormons are generally “nice” but that does not negate the fact that they teach some convoluted mess lol. I’m not dissing the Mormons OK? It’s just that they have some real funny teachings and in the spiritual battle we’re in, we have to guard against DECEPTION DECEPTION DECEPTION!!!!
I heard 2 ex atheists say that they had talks with Mormons before and when they presented their teachings to the former atheists and when the former atheists told them that something about that teaching is kinda funny/strange, the Mormons then told them something like :- Oh don’t worry, if you feel a burning in your bosom then you’ll know that we’re telling you the truth! lol.
Well the news is, Satan can cause people to feel burning in their bosoms! He can even knock people down in bunches (ask Benny Hinn) I mean the devil could cause catastrophic tsunamis, so making a human feel a lil’ “burning in the bosom” should be a piece of cake.
Please don’t get me wrong, God has His people scattered all over; He has “sheep that are in other folds” John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
God is working amongst all people, so humans can’t judge/condemn others. However we are to judge the teachings of all religions to see if they square with God’s word and we are to find and follow the beliefs based on the dictates of ones conscience (providing that the last 6 commandments are not broken; meaning that a person is not infringing on the rights of another)
Marshall said this :- “Considering all that, I think atheists deserve some credit. They’re logical, moral and they stand up for what they believe in. Now if we could just get religious people to do the same.”
I gotta address this in another post but in my opinion, FORMER ATHEISTS make GREAT PASTORS!!!! LOL See? There’s hope for Korgan ; )
P.S. jag? If you feel “a burning in your bosom” don’t think it’s because the Mormons are right OK? maybe it’s just indigestion or the devil messing with ya :)
May 5th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Me too, yet I find no shame in accepting the fact that we do not know yet. When facing a question you do not have an answer for, the correct and honest answer is ‘I do not know’.
For all we know, there is no beginning for universe, our universe is formed from compacted material from a black hole in other universe, big bang is followed by big crunch or big bounce theory is the correct one. I for one admit freely that we have no answer at the moment but that in itself is encouragement to seek for it. Not to succumb to drudgery and fatalism of man made theories of heaven and hell.
Evolution and the big bang theory are not answers to questions how life came to be and how universe came to be but answers to how life and universe changed after the zero point. That distinction between what the theory really is about and the perversions offered by scientifically illiterates is mostly lost on fanatics.
Many of religious people claim to know the answers to questions evolution and big bang theory are not making any claims. It is like religion saying that the answer is apple and french tickler when evolution explains how species are formed.
Another old misrepresentation which keeps appearing, Herbert Spencer used that in his book Principles of Biology and it was a parallel to his ideas on economics and Darwin used it after that in the fifth edition of his book. That still does not make it to be a basic tenet of evolution but merely a short hand expression for biologist, in mathematical population genetics.
Evolution is small changes in the genetic material of a population over time, with cumulative effects, for most adaptable organisms. Survival of fittest has little to do with it as any organism procreating is advancing the evolution.
Environment affects greatly and hunters know it first hand. The number of ten-point racks on deer is diminishing greatly as that is an undesirable quality for the deer population. Those get shot and thus unable to pass on the genetic dominance of ten-point rack giving way to smaller or even non-typical forms. This clearly is a point where the apparently fittest is not the one surviving to procreate.
Evolution is pretty simplistic when you learn it but when you only open the bible you will miss out on lots of things.
The amusing presentation of animal kingdom, even if it made me laugh is not only silly but representative what happens when you stop thinking. The whole anti-scientific attitude is very hypocritical when presented from the point of view of a biblical literalistic by using technology.
And no we did not come from monkeys but we share ancestry with them, the distinction is clear between our claims. Mine is a factual, yours is emotional and derisive. I see no need to belittle monkeys nor pigs which have been essential in saving many lives.
Many times when I have talked about religion and bible, those same claims appear. When arguments are turned over and the inner inconsistency is revealed those claims come frothing forth one after another, lacking coherency and mostly stemming from some inner problem from the assaulter. Making it look like you have serious misconceptions over many things and peculiar fantasies.
So you have issues with the concept that you are not special under the lens of evolution. Well, it might shock you but we all are mere specks on a very minuscule line that traces our lineage from ooze to now.
Getting all bent out of shape over being on the level with everyone else is serious case of egotism. What makes you any better than the fellow down the road or other side of the globe? Nothing. Christianity is supposed to teach humility but that quality is scarce with vocal and opinionated christians.
Bible is a book, I say. If you believe in god and the bible and they both are true, you should have no trouble presenting the case for the both without using circular bible thumping. If you lack belief, true conviction or dedication, then it probably is a sisyphean task.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
rofl haha maybe he got swine flu!
im just kiddin D.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Shit, we broke D. :)
May 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Well, i lived to be a hundred years old……time to die now….I wonder what will happen? I’m an athiest, so heaven and hell are both ruled out…maybe I will be reincarnated? Maybe I’ll be reincarnated as a fly! Or a dog! A cow! Man, I sure do hope I turn into a dinosaur… I like dinosaurs…
Hey guys, I can’t reach these apples on this tree! Neither could my 200x great grandfather, but I still haven’t grown wings, or extended my neck!
I wonder if my evolution teacher lied? Well, lying is not wrong since we don’t believe in the Bible. My teacher believed in progressive education, and my natural instinct is to lie so I guess its okay. I guess killings okay too, but only if you do it to steal food and shelter, since in the animal kingdom, the survival of the fittest rule is in effect. We should follow it since we believe we evolved from apes.
I wonder how the universe started?
Oh, yeah, the big bang happened. Wait, where did the materials for the explosion come from? Oh yeah, they were just there for no reason. But, I wonder why it was there?
Since we are evolving, I wander if we will ever acquire a perfect nature? Nah, we’ve been having wars since we were created so I guess not. Children will always disobey their parents, so no.
evolution falsely answers so many questions, but opens so many more.
evolution is a disease.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
The Believers have been in the spotlight for too long!!!! Now it’s your turn, you hardheaded athiests!
If you athiests say you want to forget about God, and live your lives to the fullest, why are you spending the time you saved from rejecting religion trying to fight with Believers? You will never win. Why, since the Bible is wrong to you, don’t you all just go throw your Bibles in the trash and live life, party, drink, kill, have sexual relations with others outside of marriage, have under-age relations, abort babies, be disgusting sodomites, cuss, watch your XXX rated movies, indulge yourselves in beastality, go to jail in the end, and die alone in a gutter in New York?
Since you’re evolutionists, I guess beastality is okay to you, is it not? We used to be monkeys, so why not have relations with them? Why don’t you marry one and she can be your “honeybun” or what ever else you call your girlfriend/wife. You can have little half monkey, half human babies. Evolution is nothing but a hypothesis and will never “evolve” beyond that.
Evolution is a pile of trash. Really. Thats what you evolved from. A pile of trash. Makes you feel important doesn’t it? Are you a happy monkey athiest? Oh, wait, whats that? you say you evolved from a microscopic organism? Pardon me! Are you happy living as an ameoba athiest? Hot,diggity-dog! Sounds awsome to me! (not) I’ve always wanted to be some protozoa!
Wait, since we’re evolving, does that mean i’ll get that third arm I need? Man, I sure do hope I evolve in the next quadrillion years…. It’s gettin hard to type with only two hands.
Have you noticed that the world’s age is increasing by a hundred years a second? When I was in elementary, they taught me that the world was a couple billion years old(give or take a few) . Now, it seams the age has increased to over hundreds of billion of years!(maybe even more) Well, I better go back to 1st grade and learn how old the earth is again…..
Evolution is a disease.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Few points
Bible has several contradictions, which people claiming it to be sans them are not able to refute. Therefore bible is not perfect nor without contradictions.
It can be gods word and inspired by god if you accept it to be erroneous but then gods perfection is more of a imperfection.
It cannot be preserved by god as I already stated, first typo renders the claim to be false and even disregarding the minute typos, of commas and wrong letters there has been typos which alter the meaning. If meaning is altered then bible is changing and for example the KJV has had several, serious errors in it. Errors ranging from lacking the word ‘not’ in commandments to a reference of god’s arse.
If bible preserved by god is erroneous then god is not perfect, unless the goal has always been misdirection, deception and disharmony. Even bible supports that view in the story of Babel, unless that too is a lie.
If one is to assume bible to be a tool for divisiveness, then your claim is correct. Bible cannot be understood, according to you, unless requirements are met. That makes reading of the bible inconsequential as you cannot understand what it really says before you have already understood what it will say.
If god knows all that is to know, there is no freewill, just predestination.
A) The claim that humans have a free will requires human to have the possibility to act differently from what they did or will do.
B) If god is omniscient, he predicts perfectly what the selections are and humans are unable to select differently from what is already predicted.
If god is omniscient, we have no free will. If we have free will, god is not omniscient. Bible contradicts the claims of free will;
Neither had a choice, if Judas would not have betrayed then god would have not known it before hand. Neither could Peter not deny jesus or once again predictions would have failed.
Except the defending is ignoring the questions, getting sensitive over irrelevant issues, not thinking oneself but relying on interpretations of others.
Many verses have been given but you keep ignoring them. Which one of the hundreds would you like to respond to? How about the Age of Ahaziah? Number of David’s horsemen by river Euphrates? Who carried the cross? Did David sin? What to do to Edomites? Who bought the potter’s field? Can you be called a fool? Is incest forbidden in NT? is Jesus pacifist?
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Blondie, Ally, I ask you both to pray to God for his blessings on our Vacation Bible School. It is next month, and we are working hard to prepare it, though without the Lord it is all in vain. We hope to see many young souls saved, and also for Believers to get their hearts right with God.
Mark 10:14- “…Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.”
Ally, I have to say, you are doing well as a defender of the Bible, Faith and Spirit. Keep up the Good work.
Matthew 5:11- “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Your objections over wrong things are amusing, which animal is unclean and which is not has nothing to do with the basic facts in regards of digestive system of hare.
May 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I meant “censor” in the previous comment. I know the atheists who like to “throw out the baby with the bath water” would pick on that. Picky, picky!!!:)
May 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
jagannath Says:
“This contradiction is most interesting in light of inerrant bible and omniscient god. Had almost forgotten it.
Leviticus 11:6 (King James Version)
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. ”
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Lev&c=11&v=1&t=KJV#top
There is no contradiction at all!!!!! The hare is unclean too! Please take your time and read the whole of Leviticus Chapter 11! In Leviticus 11:3-8 It states which animals were “unclean” and from 11:9 states which animals in the waters are clean then verse 10 -12 states some water animals that are unclean and if one reads it “carefully” without rushing to “debunk” facts in the bible one would understand it; because this part of the bible is actually easy to understand!
“Because Moses, in his law, talks about these things does not mean it’s part of the Mosaic Law. Moses talks about everything. He talks about the civil law. He talks about moral law. He talks about health law. He talks about ceremonial law. I mean Moses covered everything, but the clean and unclean distinction was not original with Moses. He simply commented on it. Okay?”
The mosaic laws were nailed to the cross and NOT the other laws!!! The mosaic laws were “shadows” pointing to the Messiah and also they were there to protect the lineage of the Messiah!
” For the animals – in order for it to be a clean mammal, it had to have cloven hoofs and chew the cud; goats, sheep, beef, they were clean, deer. Among the fish, they needed to have fins and scales and it was clean, and that would mean tuna, bass, trout, they’re all clean.”
Note well! For a mammal to be clean and therefore eaten by “God’s people” it had to both chew the cud “AND” have cloven hoofs.
“Shark is unclean. Sharks are scavengers. Catfish are scavengers. God didn’t want us to eat scavengers. Pigs and dogs are scavengers.”
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Rucker says:
” Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8? - not one of the reasons you mentioned for avoiding pork is mentioned in the bible, instead the prohibition is based on the cleft hoof and not chewing a cud, neither of which relates to anyone’s health.”
It does! People are now becoming aware of it with “modern science”Please do some research!
“Nor do you provide your source for this “information”.”
This is where i got the info and i agreed with it —–>
http://www.ensignmessage.com
/archives/porkfacts.html
I think some “Pig info” is being censored so i can only put the links in parts so go to the above web address and go to this link :-
PIG AND PORK FACTS
“So you have added words to the bible. In fact, many of your posts add things that are not in the texts you are referring to.”
I added nothing to the bible!
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Anyways, i was talking to uber. Why would you care about “defiling” yourselves because a Holy God instructed you not to do so; You believe in “Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die, do you not?” You know? Carpe diem?
If one loves God they would want to obey Him and seriously, if god says Jump!” we should really ask “How high?!” lol. But God is loving and patient and He puts up with us; He’s “fantabulous” (Yes, i know that’s not a word). He’s indescribable !!!!:)
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“Also you keep saying there are no contradictions in the bible, I must have missed where you proved that all the contradictions that were posted are not contradictions.”
Please cite some specific ones :)
I think you just don’t understand it; but don’t worry, if you humble yourself and obtain a meek and humble spirit the Holy Spirit will teach you :)
Hey! you atheists are really cool, you keep us on our toes :)
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Here’s some more info. on “pigs” for anyone that’s “interested”. Well i had the info but i “suspect” i’m being sensored somehow, each time i try to post the info it does not go through.
So maybe whomever is interested would just google this question “Are pigs nasty?” and if they didn’t “sensor” that info by now you could read all the info there!
You can also google these questions:-
The real Truth—– A pig’s tale.
Are pigs really dirty animals? <— That one should come up in yahoo answers!
May 2nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Time for inane chatter is over, D. Would you just stop avoiding the issues and answer the questions presented. Your obscenity obsession is vexatious, picayune and feculent, so just stop it.
May 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
MarcDLS, in post 434, you say say uber is wrong for calling Korgan blabby, but you athiests call us, and God, far worse names than blabby(which she is using in good humor, read post 425). Not once on these boards have I said any bad words. Not once has ally. Blabby is not a bad word, so neither has uber. I can see the immorality of all of you “athiests” when you spout out filth from your dirty mouths.
While I tell you off for doing so, you simply try to change the subject to the meaning of profanity, when you know exactly what I am referring to.
And jagganath, what kind of nonsense are you speaking of? What would people think of Obama(who I don’t like anyway), if he went around talking like Marc or Korgan, saying a+2 s’s and sh-(dung)? That is not how mature people speak. That is how skateboard punks and hoodlums talk. You all are a prime example of how individuals act with no regard to what the Bible says. I don’t expect any less from worldly people, so act childish all you want.
May 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Something different and interesting to read, http://www.marshallthompson.org/wordpress/?p=398
May 1st, 2009 at 7:01 am
uber blondie:
I find it extremely hypocritical that you get butt-hurt over being called a “fool,” having your ridiculous typing called such, and ally being called “Allycrap,” yet you continue to call Korgan “Blabby.” However, I guess it’s to be expected since you are a Christian, and that is what Christians do best.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Blabby don’t call my friend ally bad words! i know u r blabby and u cant help it but cant u at least try to be nice plz
April 30th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Borrowing from a book which has been far more useful to me than any religious text;
This contradiction is most interesting in light of inerrant bible and omniscient god. Had almost forgotten it.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I gotta say to korgan and jag, you all got more patience than I would ever have with this nonsense.
And to ally, your long post about pigs ends with “And the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.” - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8″ - not one of the reasons you mentioned for avoiding pork is mentioned in the bible, instead the prohibition is based on the cleft hoof and not chewing a cud, neither of which relates to anyone’s health. Nor do you provide your source for this “information”. So you have added words to the bible. In fact, many of your posts add things that are not in the texts you are referring to.
Also you keep saying there are no contradictions in the bible, I must have missed where you proved that all the contradictions that were posted are not contradictions.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Has anyone noticed how the biblical laws no longer apply to people after jesus, except this, this, and this and those two, maybe that one, definitely this but that is just plain silly and lets lose those also.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Furthermore, if as you state, your god “made pigs to be garbage cans”, then why are they such poor garbage cans?:
Pigs can’t digest or otherwise break down many toxic wastes, such as radioactive materials and many toxic compounds. Pigs are also rather obviously susceptible to disease. Therefore, your claimed “garbage cans”, are badly flawed for their claimed purpose, and hence your purportedly perfect god shows more obvious flaws in its designs. Your god of your bible stories obviously does not exist.
Yet again, your god myth reveals more of its absurdity as you try to make it fit a reality that it obviously doesn’t fit.
Religion is ridiculous.
April 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Regarding the latest Allycrap of post 426:
Yes, indeed, it is the case that “Christ never changed the laws of biology.” That is because your Christ of your bible stories never had anything to do with laws of biology, nor any understanding of them. The bible simply does not demonstrate any detailed understanding of cell biology, and contains multiple errors about biology. In the present context, the bible is frequently and plainly wrong regarding how diseases propagate.
Ally, stop spreading your shit around.
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
April 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
ewwww…. pigs are nasty! do they really eat their own, uh, poopies? I might think again be4 I eat meat from a piggie. :P besides did u guys hear about how bad the swine flu is gettin? i heard a bunch of people already died. I heard it started in mexico but now its here
April 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
No offence Uber i’m just sharing some info with you. I heard that pork tastes really delicious but the facts are, a “holy” God does not want His people partaking of unclean foods.However, each person has to be convinced in their owm mind based on conviction from the Holy Spirit :)
God bless you my friend.
PIG & PORK FACTS
THE pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet Christians are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned the eating of swine’s flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound biological principles. Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy food to eat:
A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.
The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.
When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.
Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.
Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.
Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.
When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal’s flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.
Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs will be killed.
Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.
Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine’s one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.
The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).
The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.
The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.
There are other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to show why pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only need one reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it.
“And the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.” - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8
Those who say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their stomach not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ never changed the laws of biology.
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http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/BibleAnswersLiveQuestionArchive/tabid/212/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/731/MDID/2339/PID/1178/SID/13/SQT/1000/7/Is-it-unhealthy-to-eat-pork/Default.aspx
April 29th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Oh wait! i remember one of the reasons God said not 2 eat pigs! The people back then couldnt cook pigs right so they didnt kill all of the bacterias and stuff whn they were cookin them. God didnt let them eat pigs 2 save the piggies and 2 keep people healthy :D Hey! blabbys back! i kinda missed u cause marc had to be blabby while u were gone!
hes not good at it so welcome back ;)
April 29th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Ally, your post is full of shit, as usual. Pigs are actually among the cleanest of animals:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/the-joy-of-pigs/smart-clean-and-lean/2126/
They are also very smart, compared with certain popular pets.
Religion is ridiculous.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
ally, thank u 4 the encouragement im sorry that i dont know a whole bunch about the Bible and cant help u a lot. It looks like i just make things worse. I just figured that the more believers there r on the board, the better. im sorry. I just cant c how people can read the whole Bible and still think God doesnt exist. Its so clear.
Its hard 2 stay nice when korgan is calling our God a fool and bad words.
Ill try 2 read my Bible more so i will know more about it. I hope God blesses u. Now if u will excuse me, I have some school work to finish so marc wont call me a dummy anymore… :,( i dont like being called a stupid. the bad thing is that u cant get these guys to stop being mean
April 29th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
uber blondie Says:
“jag, if we were still under the law then we would not be able to eat the meat from pigs like bacon and pork and anywayses the old testement law is 4 jews……and why did u call me a lesbian?! /:0″
My friend? I beg to differ, a Jews anatomy is no different from ours. Pigs are filthy creatures (God made them to be garbage cans!)
Also, back in Genesis God had stated that the unclean animals should go into the ark in Two’s and the clean ones in sevens. If noah had eaten any of the unclean ones they would have become extinct! Noah was “Not” Jewish. The Jewish nation came about after.
The bible says that our bodies are the temple of the holy spirit and God’s word says that pigs are “unclean”; therefore people shouldn’t eat them. Science is now catching up to the bible and if it was not “lucrative” for the food industry to have the masses eating pigs, they would warn that if one wants to vaccinate themselves against health, just continue eating pork.
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Nice to see a young person who loves God though :) Keep on reading and studying your bible and God will continue to direct you my friend.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Re: post 418
Jagannath said:-
“Then bible is a tool for deception, making it impossible for people to actually convert by learning of the bible.”
My friend i disagree with your statement. I believe the bible is God’s word and one can understand it if they really want to! Of course it takes time and in my opinion a lot of atheists are really intelligent people and they tend to understand certain things “correctly” from the bible and other things they don’t understand at all. Because of their intelligence atheists tend to be “proud” BTW pride is particularly offensive to God because that’s how this sin and death thing got started in the first place because a “created” being was sooooo proud of his beauty and intelligence that he wanted to usurp the “Creator”.
Another thing with atheists, they tend to throw out the baby with the bath water! I mean they have it right one should not follow some teaching “blindly” and not investigate, Following a religion “blindly” could be deadly whether spiritual or physical. Someone wrote this :-
I’d rather know what i know and
not know what i don’t know
than to know what i don’t know
and not know what i know!
Yes atheists should investigate and yes it’s the churches fault why so many people are confused as to what God requires. But you see we are in a cosmic conflict and i know that atheists don’t believe in the devil but he does exist. What do you all think, that evil “evolved”?! lol. Well anyway the bible says it started with Lucifer who then became Satan and then evil came here to earth when Adam and Eve obeyed Satan rather than God.
Atheists as well as everyone else should be weary of “Spiritualism”.
Spiritualism is the pursuit of knowledge without the use of reason or the investigation of evidence. Satan is a wily foe and he gets humans to be involved in “Spiritualism”. So any religion of today who has in it’s foundational teachings that people should kill or maim others if they don’t join is not of God. If a religion is of God then the religion should be able to hold up under inspection.As an aside, when people were ordered to do the killings in the OT it was under a theocracy when God Himself was there and was ruling the people!
Atheists want to know how to balance what they already know and yes to tell you the truth, i think the atheists that have been exposed to Christianity know more than a lot of Christians because a lot of Christians let a pastor or priest or minister interpret what they should believe and don’t check what is taught in the bible for themselves.
The purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Messiah. This world we live in is in a mess and it’s not getting better. We need a savior and Jesus is it!
Atheists do need to be weary because religious people on a mission can be very dangerous as was proved during the dark ages! The dark ages was an example of “spiritualism”
William Barclay wrote “It can be a terrible thing when a man identifies his aims with the will of God, instead of submitting his aims to the will of God.”
So you want to know “Can one know truth?”
John 8:32 (KJV)And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
The key to the truth is shown in John 8:31 (King James Version )Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
To know the truth :-
1. One must be willing to do the will of God.
John 7:17 (KJV)
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Also, “NO” one knows the mind of God, i mean human beings can’t even explain their own selves so how can they explain God?!
1 Corinthians 2:9-12 (King James Version)
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him …
2. One also needs to pray to God for guidance in order to understand truth!
3. To find truth one needs to “interpret scripture with scripture”
Luke 24:27 (K JV) 27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
One needs to look at what the “entire” bible says on any given topic!
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So you might ask how does one balance what they know already with regard to God and spirituality? So that you won’t be blown away by every wind of doctrine out there?
Well, it’s like we use windows to let light and fresh air come in and to let out stale air right? But we also need window screens to keep out the critters.
The “screens” used by the Bereans is found here:-
Acts 17:11 (King James Version)
11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
So if an atheist is sorta open minded then those are steps they should follow.
Here’s a partial list that i found that Satan uses to deceive people and the “bible” exposes it all!
“Here is a partial list of the unrighteous religious practices, rituals and doctrinal beliefs that will be embraced by this worldwide conglomerate of apostate religion:
man-god doctrine
immortal soul
reincarnation
purgatory
karma
self-love
numerology
psychic abilities
subliminal messages
channeling
astrology
hypnotism
astral travel
seances
shamanism
worship of idols
nature worship
sun worship
goddess worship
necromancy
divination
penances
indulgences
magic words (mantra)
charmer
palmistry
automatic writing
occult visualization
occult meditation
occult symbolism
levitation
evolution doctrine
fire walking
drug abuse
alcohol abuse
sexual licentiousness
altered state of consciousness
mystery teachings and initiations
rock-n-roll, and other similar types of music
All those things in the above list “do not” square with the bible!
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“You say those laws are no longer in effect but have you considered if that is so, why bible does not state it clearly? Why there is no clear statement making separation between new and old testament? ”
You also said the above my friend and all i have to say is God = Love and His character is summed up in the 10 commandments. Exodus 20: 3-17
Here are some links that explain something about the old and new covenant:-
http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/JoeCrewsRadioSermons/tabid/90/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/423/MDID/1849/PID/822/SID/4/SQT/1000/7/Christs-Covenant/Default.aspx <—–Christ’s Covenant
http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/JoeCrewsRadioSermons/tabid/90/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/423/MDID/1968/PID/941/SID/4/SQT/1000/7/Broken-Promises—Part-1/Default.aspx <— Broken Promises Pt.1
April 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
If you haven’t noticed, just because people aren’t allowed to do something doesn’t mean they lack the ability do it. You act like there is a magical mystical force that prevents you from action outside of God’s will. In which case, you are saying there is no free will. That is a whole other debate though.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
jag, if we were still under the law then we would not be able to eat the meat from pigs like bacon and pork and anywayses the old testement law is 4 jews……and why did u call me a lesbian?! /:0
April 29th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Then bible is a tool for deception, making it impossible for people to actually convert by learning of the bible.
It sounds similar to the tactic some islamic groups in west use, they show all the good parts to unbelievers to get them converted. After they have committed the harsh stuff is brought up and as apostasy is punishable by death you are stuck. In christianity you have to commit on psychological level to ‘understand’ but after you have performed the necessary mental contortions you are no longer able to detach fast from the group without mental problems. That kind of a commitment before truth is part of scientology and has been around for a long time under the name mysticism.
The apologist use the line of law no longer applying to us but that is possible only by ignoring what jesus is written to have said. Considering that Jesus is god in flesh his statements are very in line with the character of god. There is no new law but merely continuation of the old.
You say those laws are no longer in effect but have you considered if that is so, why bible does not state it clearly? Why there is no clear statement making separation between new and old testament? But there are statements enforcing the continuity?
I have not made any traps, if I had done so you would know, but if you feel that you were trapped then it is only because of what is written in the bible. I have not said it is perfect to me, quite the opposite. I even presented few verses from it which were in opposition to each other but you never commented on them. These verses.
Simple things like the age of a ruler, number of horsemen and has anyone seen the face of god or not. Are they not contrary and thus making bible to be in error and imperfect also god is unable to preserve what he inspired and said?
Inerrant book is rendered false from the first error, not after certain number of errors. That is the base flaw of the inerrant claims. Divinely inspired and preserved book is rendered false at the first typo.
These four things you cannot condone;
- To eat the flesh of humans is acceptable.
- Left-handed people are lesser beings.
- Disobedient children must be killed.
- Sex with ones children is not forbidden.
are parts from the bible even if those are not in the form I wrote them. But that is beside the point, you have already backpedaled from your original position and added quickly qualifiers to the rights of parents, such as not against law or bible. Is your conviction in your own opinions so weak that you must alter it when opposing views are presented?
I saw no compliments, merely statements which had nothing to do with the discussion and were ignored. You are referring to profanity use, I would presume, which makes it even less of a compliment. In essence you find it agreeable that I do not use profanity but your expectation of profanity is an insult. You present me, without having any knowledge of me, as a lesser person whose use of language at the moment elevates me above the rest but am yet less as I lack the secret handshake.
Saying to someone, you are less dirty than those other swines, is still calling the person a swine. It is called left-handed compliment. Also, using profanity with your fourth language can be cumbersome and lack the natural flair and gusto.
I have that bible too, but I have little use for it. It is fine example of authority from above approach but instead of being latin, it is in english. All the explanations actually remove the need for you to own one. It is your Pope. When you read it, you are not reading bible but the explanation of someone else, you may agree with it but that does makes it also impossible for you to understand the bible as you see it. In that sense Martin Luther (1483-1546) was on right track, he wanted people to read the bible without the authority from above. Even KJV was influenced by him but when they started to explain it all to readers it transformed back into the papal bible.
This god is perfect bit is returning again and again you miss the obviousness of the dilemma. Perfect being cannot have regrets, not over mistakes, nor failings of others. The moment regret, in any form, is present in a perfect being, the being is no longer perfect and that cast doubt of it ever being perfect. Only way god is perfect in biblical terms is that perfect is defined as following the bibles depiction, which eliminates the concept of god.
April 28th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
If one cannot understand the Bible then how is one supposed to be converted by the Bible? You are a complete moron if you actually believe that crap. For any sentient being to purposefully condemn another sentient being for not understanding something they were not intended to understand shows a sadistic type of individual. Your don’t know what you are talking about. Go forth to the internet and remove yourself of your ignorance.
April 28th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
uh we are in a relationship with God when we get saved. Have u ever seen a letter ment for some ones wife? u cant understand what emotional feelings r behind the words unless u r married. If u r married than you can understand how the other person intends 4 the words to be felt to the wife thats how certian parts of the bible are ment 2 be
April 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Magical Christian Decoder Ring
1 John 2:7 - Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Obviously you missed something…
Romans 1:24-32
Death penalty for unbelievers and homosexuals.
Repent
To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one’s mind regarding it.
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one’s sins.
To feel regret or self-reproach for.
To cause to feel remorse or regret.
Regret
To feel sorry, disappointed, or distressed about.
A feeling of disappointment or distress about something that one wishes could be different.
Ref: The American Heritage Dictionary
April 28th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Oww-jagganath, I though you were a little different from the others.
I simply mean that there are certain verses that can only be understood correctly by Believers, as we are filled with the Holy Ghost. A prime example is your incorrect usage of Mark 6:16 “…He that believeth not shall be damned” This means that you are condemned to hell if you do not believe, not that I should kill you or . You have also incorrectly used all of the old testament verses you have stated. We are not in the days of the law anymore. When Jesus came to die for our sins, we became free from the Jewish old testament law.
The Bible clearly states(new testament) to be kind to your neighbors. That means not harassing them even if they don’t believe in God. Their punishment is reserved for them unless they accept Jesus as their savior.
You are laying traps for me to fall in and so far I have done so. Not any more. You are trying to trick me into saying- I alter the Bible, I Believe it has errors, or it is completely wrong.
Well, to this I say I believe that the Bible is-
-perfect
-without contradictions
-God’s word
-perserved By God
-inspired By God
I cannot condone these things you have stated, as I believe they are wrong. Still, the parents have the right, as long as the things are not against the law or the Bible if they are saved. If they are saved they will not choose to do these things for the Bible clearly says all of them are wrong.
Did you not realize I was trying to be nice? Compliment your non behavior? But you rebuked me for complimenting you. How odd.
You need to go to the nearest bookstore and purchase a KJV strongest concordance. It will show not just every dictionary-like explanation for a word, but also the spiritual meaning of a word.
As for “the Lord repented”, you do not have to make a mistake to repent. The Lord did not make a mistake. He is perfect.
I will not be on for a couple days so if you post I will not be able to answer it.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am
So, in a sense you say the text cannot be read without interpretation. That claim makes the bibles validity as word of god into question. It is quite droll that I am again defending the biblical texts against interpretations by religious people but claim that bible is without error cannot be true, if you need to alter the meaning.
That is also a proof against the perfection of god, if the text is divinely inspired and inerrant, why it is not understood without explanations? One common strategy is to blame the reader but that is merely shifting the blame from the original cause.
Profanity is a valid means of communication and it is highly useful tool for expressing strong opinions without need for extensive explanations. Profanity is to me a more acceptable form of communications than the form of threats the christianity seems to prefer. Pascal’s wager being the most commonest implied threat. Direct forms are actually more honest but those are still annoying and trump profanity every time.
Bringing children into discussion is something that happens all the time when talking with religious people. I find it to be an inane tactic and proves only that children can be influenced to accept anything. A claim that a child understands bible is about as valid as a claim that apple seeds give as much juice as apples.
You seem also to claim that you believe parents have the right to teach whatever they want to children. I can state several examples, after reading them do you still agree with your original claim that parents have the right to teach whatever they want to children?
Also you cannot claim respect of unbelievers if bible is without error
According to bible you are to kill the unbelievers. You can take the verse from Mark and say, it does not say kill but such a statement would also be in opposition of the bible and word of jesus.
So if you say bible is inerrant, then your claims of respect are lies. If those are lies, then why would anyone here believe you? If it is not a lie, then you do not believe in the bible but lie that you do. Which is it?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
jagganath, I can not explain this in any other ways. All I can say is that it is an anthropopathism. There are verses that support my claims, and those for yours. We cannot come to an understanding at this time. I do believe God is repent for creating man, but I don’t believe it is a sin. I do thank you for being reasonable, and without profanity, unlike others I have debated with.
I can not condone removing the parents authority to teach their children about a specific idea. If an Islamic family wishes to bring their children up in the beliefs of Islam, so be it. It is the guardians right. If an Athiest wishes to teach children there is no God, so be it. It is their right. It is your right to believe in whatever you want.
As for using the reference of my family, I am sorry if I offended you. I do believe my sister is saved and has a relationship with God.
If I have been mistaken let me make myself clear-
-I believe in the Bible.
-I am saved by the Blood.
-I use the Bible as my teacher, from which I learn.
-I believe it to be without error.
-I love it with all my heart, as I believe it to be God’s own words to me.
-I do respect other beliefs in: athiesm, islam, hinduism, and others.
-I do not alter God’s word to fit my needs.
I do wish to know though, what do you believe in? Or maybe the question should be what do you reject? I can’t tell.
Thanks for your time.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
The bible is consistent! God is light and HE is holy and
sinful man “cannot” abide in His presence; all humans are born separated from God and “all” are prone to evil and that’s why the bible says a person must be born again! When a person recognizes that they’re sinful then the holy spirit works on their heart and yes we can come to God just as we are but we are not to remain “sinful” or in “darkness”. We are to walk in the light that we have and as we walk in the light it gets brighter and brighter and we understand God’s love for us more and more.
Hey i hope y’all know that the bible uses “metaphors” and irony and hyperbole etc. right?!
Anyways, if a person does not continue walking in the light then “darkness” aka sin and therefore separation from God occurs. Hence a person can commit the unpardonable sin just like Pharaoh did!
Everyone has a “measure” of faith
1.Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:2-4 (in Context) Romans 12 (Whole Chapter)
Soooooo, even bush men in the Kalahari knows something about a God (BTW missionaries are baptizing them and telling them about the “creator God” :)
As long as they live up to the best light they have God is going to “judge” them accordingly and salvation can come to them too!
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1 Samuel 2:30
Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
1 Samuel 2:29-31 (in Context) 1 Samuel 2 (Whole Chapter)
Job 29:3
When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;
Job 29:2-4 (in Context) Job 29 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 56:13
For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?
Psalm 56:12-13 (in Context) Psalm 56 (Whole Chapter)
Psalm 89:15
Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance.
Psalm 89:14-16 (in Context) Psalm 89 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 2:5
O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Isaiah 2:4-6 (in Context) Isaiah 2 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 9:2
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
Isaiah 9:1-3 (in Context) Isaiah 9 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 50:10
Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
Isaiah 50:9-11 (in Context) Isaiah 50 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 50:11
Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.
Isaiah 50:10-11 (in Context) Isaiah 50 (Whole Chapter)
Isaiah 59:9
Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
Isaiah 59:8-10 (in Context) Isaiah 59 (Whole Chapter)
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:11-13 (in Context) John 8 (Whole Chapter)
John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
John 11:8-10 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter)
John 11:10
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
John 11:9-11 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter)
John 12:35
Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
John 12:34-36 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Ephesians 5:7-9 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:6-8 (in Context) 1 John 1 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 21:24
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Revelation 21:23-25 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I do not try to alter bible to suit my needs as there is little need for that on my end. As MarcDSL said, I do not find merit in your claim due various reasons.
To reduce the need to change pages, the verse again after this.
In simpler terms, god repents the making of man, beast, creeping things and fowls.
There is at least 20 usages of repent in the bible (depending of bible) in regards of repenting past deeds and of those 20 there is one which can be read as dissatisfaction but that is also a strike against god.
You have to prove why your synonym out of the various synonyms
apologize, atone, be ashamed, be contrite, be sorry, bewail, deplore, feel remorse, have qualms, lament, reform, regret, relent, reproach oneself, rue, see error of ways, show penitence, sorrow
for repent, is right one. There are many synonyms and your choice is but one. The claim that it is used in the same meaning in other places is no proof of you being right but a list of statements where you might also be wrong.
Your example about Jeremiah does not have same meaning unless you try to cherrypick. The verse for those who do not know it goes like this.
Simpler version, Jeremiah was sent to warn the people that god was going to send evil into their lives unless they amend their ways. If they do that god will repent the evil a.k.a do not act upon his plans.
The whole concept is different, so making comparisons based on same word usage alone makes the claim that god equals allah (which linguisticly is actually correct.), idol, Joss, Juggernaut or Numina as valid as your claim.
By bringing your sisters understanding of the verse into the picture you also opened the door for the Metaphor of the cave by Plato, for the more modern version, just watch the movie Matrix.
Metaphor of the cave is one of the tenets for my lack of belief and reason why teaching religion to children should be forbidden.
And as a non-believer I do not sin by disagreeing with the supposed word of god. My heart might be hardened by god but you claimed bible to be inerrant, yet you strive to prove the opposite? You are turning into your own enemy by following this path, which is a choice I do not object but applaud.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
That train of thought is itself contradictory. For one to choose to be wax or clay one must have a knowledge of both. If one has never heard of your giant sky fairy he cannot choose to be what he does not know of.
On another train of though, why would anyone choose to be clay versus wax? Both are perfectly acceptable materials with their own merits and drawbacks. This is the same problem with why one chooses “good” over “evil.” If there was a cause to choose either your giant sky fairy must be infinite in both, which is another contradiction in and of itself. However if the choice is arbitrary the giant sky fairy cannot be just since he punished for the result of an arbitrary decision.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
It is best for the unsaved to try to disprove the Bible with worldly means, as they can not understand the spiritual things they are actually saying while using Bible verses to contradict the Bible.
As for Marc in post 406, God allows people to choose if they want to be clay, or wax in light of His word.
My 6 year old sister can understand the spiritual means of the Bible. Can you?
April 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Ally, those are some good illustrations.
God *could* make every single unbelieving athiest bow and give Him the glory, without hesitation.
The facts of “God knows who will be saved” and “God allows people to choose to be saved or not” will continue to be misunderstood by unbelievers.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Re: 403
You are an idiot. That analogy make no sense in any regard. If what you say is true then that would imply that some people actually are pushed away from your giant sky fairy by his “light.” Jesus told people to come as you are. If what you are saying is true then that would make Jesus a liar since people who’s hearts are hardened by the light of your giant sky fairy could never “come as they are.”
Re: 405
He comprehends.
He judges it to lack merit.
He rejects it as false.
You, and your 6 year old sister, could stand to learn something from Jag.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Good gracious jagganath, does your mind not understand?
My 6 year old sister can understand. I didn’t know she was that smart!
Look, let me say it very carefully-
“And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth”- this means He turned from how He currently felt about men, and changed to a different feeling about them.
Repent means ” change the feeling of” in a variety of cases. Sometimes it means to “have compassion on”, and sometimes it means to “right”.
Look at this verse-Jeremiah 26:13-
“Therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the the Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.” Here, you can substitute “have compassion on him” for repent.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Re:Post 403
“You know, I don’t understand why God hardened Pharoah’s heart. Why did He do that?” You remember back in the book of Exodus the Bible says God hardened Pharoah’s heart. A lot of folk have been concerned about this. How could God harden anybody’s heart? They say, “I don’t understand it, why did God do it?” Well, let’s illustrate it this way. Supposing we were out in the sun on a sunny day and we put right side by side a lump of wax and a lump of clay. The same heat from the same sun is shining on both. What happens to the wax? It melts of course, doesn’t it? But what happens to the clay? It would harden. But it’s the same sun exactly. Now it’s that way with the Holy Spirit. John 1:9 says: “That was the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” The Light, the warmth from Christ through the Holy Spirit of God, falls upon everybody. And our attitude toward that Spirit decides whether the heart will be softened or whether the heart will be hardened. Resist it, and your heart will become hard as a rock . Give in, and your heart will melt.
I think we have a classic illustration of that in Christ’s disciples, Peter and Judas. Both committed terrible, black sins. One denied the Lord and the other betrayed the Lord. Now which is worse? Who can tell? Both are awful sins. That same wonderful warmth from Heaven began to impress each heart. Judas steeled himself. Peter, when he felt that warmth, gave in, responded, and it broke his heart. It melted his heart and he ran out to the garden and got down on his knees and prayed and wept bitterly. The same thing is true today. That wonderful warmth from Heaven shines into every heart. Our attitude toward it will decide our eternal destiny. We do have a choice. We can choose whether we’ll grieve the Holy Spirit of God, or whether we’ll listen to the Holy Spirit of God. ”
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“2 Timothy 1:9 (King James Version)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, “
Sigh :( , God is Omniscient and He “already” knows who would accept Him and who would spurn Him. God is “perfect” and He “knows” what’s best for “everyone” (He sees the end results)
Jesus died for “all” i.e. every man, woman and child and He gave mankind “free will”. God is the source of life and apart from Him there is death!
Let me ask you something? If you have a beach resort and someone put up a sign saying “No Swimming today, sharks in water” or some sort of such and then some “Einstein” decides “well, i’m still gonna go anyway”; is the sign to blame or the person who put the warning to be blamed?
No ! it will be their own fault if they still go into the water and get maimed or killed by the sharks!
God is personal and loving and He desires for His creatures to love Him in return; He does not want a bunch of “automatons”. He could make every atheist out there declare love to Him if He wanted to. But love does not force! So God will never cause someone to love Him against their will.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Free will like this?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Oh dear.
God is omniscient.
As I have stated before, and your mind can simply not grasp, God gave man free will.He didn’t make a bunch of robots. He allows us to do what we want.
*But He knows what we will do*
April 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
So your god, that purportedly omniscient and omnipotent being, was unable to foretell how its purported creations would act?
Yet again, the requisite characteristics of your god of your Christian myths are contradictory and absurd. As you continue to try (in vain) to twist and stretch your god myth to fit an unyielding reality that conflicts with your myth, your case grows ever weaker.
Religion is ridiculous.