For those of you with HBO, they just released a brand new documentary by Alexandra Pelosi called Friends of God. Pelosi takes the audience on an unbelievable journey throughout the magical red-states of America where reality ceases to exist and unicorns roam free.
In this jaw-dropping clip, you bare witness to the insanity that is Buddy Davis and his Answers in Genesis Children’s Workshop. It is here that children are taught the facts of life. Children are taught that Jesus roamed the earth with dinosaurs and the Grand Canyon was created in a flash flood.
Now most of us have heard this all before. But what I find interesting here is the clear indoctrination of these children into a world where you don’t trust what you can see, hear, and touch. They are taught to trust the supposed word of God because the Bible is the history book of the universe.
Watch how clever Buddy Davis is in making evolution sound ridiculous. He uses goofy pictures and catchy songs to get these kids on board. Not once does he use reason, logic, or evidence to make his point. He is what all successful evangelists are. They are simply suave individuals with the gift of gab. They remind me in many ways of car salesmen.
I’ll be honest when I say that this video angered me. These parents are raising a generation of idiots and that troubles me. Look at the mother about two minutes into the video. Oh my God! I love her reasoning of why she believes in creationism. What a damn fool.
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My personal favorite part is when the women tries to explain why she it teaching her children creation over evolution, she says “it’s easier to explain to your children”. Yeah, THAT should be the criteria for truth. She basically said “I don’t understand it, so it must not be true!”.
Good luck to that kid who’s going to become a Biochemist/Creationist. I guarantee that if he completes his PhD in Biochemistry, he will have at least converted away from a ‘young world’ creationist.
Delusional and religious. I don’t see any contradiction or oxymoron there. Just morons, con artists, and victims of mind worms… It is the greatest con of all that these people have special tax breaks and privileges. Sometimes I think religions should be treated like lotteries and nationalized, so that the money of the reality-impaired could fund the state. Then the idea of a theocracy scares me.
I’m glad I watched “Inherit the Wind” last night, I feel like I was vaccinated from becoming infected by Ignorance and Bigotry.
I think the first guy was just bitter because he looks like the missing link.
I guess was pisses me off it that the mother says that Christians are persecuted my the “mainstream.” I’m sure that the same day someone else spouted off (perhaps on CNN) something about how this is a “Christian” nation.
Perhaps I am missing something. If I ask the question, “Why should us atheists shut up?” to me the answers “Because it’s bad that the mainstream persecutes Christians” and “Because this is a Christian nation” seem mutually exlusive.
I like the part where the kids were parroting answers about what they believed. Just keep saying the same thing over and over again, and you’ll get kids to believe it. Do kids actually know why? Not really. But once that idea is with them for fifteen years it won’t matter so much (for most, anyway).
Also, I always like to point out that the most biased groups are almost universally the ones to shout “Bias!” first. Just a thought.
And regarding the woman who said that Creation was “easier”: I think that sums up the entire reason religion comes into existence. It provides an answer when we have none. It’s simple, it’s easy, and it makes us feel good. Evolution isn’t perfect, and I’m sure some of the points in that “Refuting Evolution” book (one I’d certainly like to get my hands on) are valid. So if evolution doesn’t seem airtight, what do I do? Why, it’s God!
Hallelujah! I am converted! It is all make sense now after I saw the picture of Chesses and Dinosaur. Creationism makes all the sense.
…runs outside… takes his pants off… falls into snow and makes but naked snow angels…
@Andrew
Still very early in the morning so I can’t remember if this is a dupe for here, but just in case not…
http://www.atheist-community.org/atheisteve/index.php?id=19
@I Are
Hmmm… Believe in Cheeses – I am sure there is a pastafarian joke in there somewhere :-)
RAmen!
Hey Gasmonso! Long time reader, 1st time commenter here.
First, a little background. I, like you, was raised Catholic. They kept me convinced until I was confirmed, which means that my current belief system of agnostic (leaning towards atheism) will most definitely end me up in hell. :)
Anyway, the reason I’m posting is because of your observation here:
“He is what all successful evangelists are. They are simply suave individuals with the gift of gab. They remind me in many ways of car salesmen.”
Have you ever seen the documentary called, IIRC, “American Pimp”? It’s about pimps telling their stories, their past, about their lifestyle, etc. One thing I noticed in the documentary was the number of pimps who, after they became too old to convince women to work for them, became pastors! I’m not kidding. And if you think about it, it’s the same style of sweet talk, just with a different goal. Pimping the pews, haha.
Anyway, glad I could finally contribute. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your site.
That’s great, Gauge. I’m going to start referring to evangelists as spiritual pimps!
That makes Haggard both a pimp and a john…
“I like the part where the kids were parroting answers about what they believed.”
Kids parrot answers in school just the same way. Most people, even those uninfluenced by religion, who have an average US education probably don’t understand evolution and how it works. I have a solid idea that much of what we currently believe about evolution will be scoffed at in fifty years, much like what we believed about dinosaurs/early man fifty years ago is today.
I don’t believe that we have a good understanding of how we got here, not because of my religious leanings (I’m an Old Earth Creationist), but because the science is still so incredibly young. Believe what you want I think you’re probably about as far off as these folks (okay maybe you aren’t quite that far off).
True. I once read an essay about re-defining education as problem-solving exercises that would challenge kids with problems instead of giving them answers. That might be better. Unfortunately it should also be remembered that much of our early learning is done by simple repetition and memorization. It just really bothers me that it’s done in this way. I think teaching something like this is bad because it doesn’t evolve (so to speak). Science does, or at least good science does. To teach a value system such as a religion as the absolute truth, when different views are often in open conflict and have such major consequences, worries me. Science isn’t meant to be a value system, and the claims aren’t held as absolutes, so I think it’s more appropriate to teach. I’m not meaning to go against you here, but my own answer from before did need some refinement, which you pointed out.
“I’m going to start referring to evangelists as spiritual pimps!”
I can see the Religious freaks slang allready
Yo, this spiritual pimp is passing out the mind worms to the kids here.
forgot to add an actual comment……
I loved the sign “Darwin is dead, jezus is alive” the first thing i thought was “Yeah, he’s playing poker with Elvis, JFK and bigfoot.”
I learned that there are about 250million Americans who aren’t retarded.
The lady’s comments “It all makes sense” she probably means it makes sense in the same way the little babies are brought by storks.
Loved the girls remark “You probably didn’t study all the facts” oh please, there so much wrong with this statement, I don’t know where to start.
oh, where the hell does it say in Genesis men lived with dinosaurs? I wonder how he explain the simple fact that dinosaur bones are so much deeper down…
Why not – from what you see in the news headlines, it sure seems like the clients and the congregation are usually one and the same people.
Same vendor, same customer, just a different product – but you’re just as screwed and come away with ‘worms either way :)
Man, there just isn’t much to say about this video. It pretty much speaks for itself. I have to wonder how those people manage to survive from day to day with natural selection… Oh yea, we are no longer susceptible to that mechanic. Too bad I guess.
I love how that young woman toward the end criticized public schools for only showing “one side of the story”.
This clip should probably terrify me, but I’m actually kinda looking forward to the collapse of civilization that Christians are probably unwittingly catalyzing. Let’s see the meek inherit the Earth then.
This kind of crap makes me physically ill. I am simply at a loss for words on how people swallow this shit with a big smile on their faces and then ask for seconds. I truly fear for humanity.
I think there is a lot of hysteria here. SO they have their beliefs and we have ours. No need to be so damn rude about it. I think if you are secure in your beliefs…whatever they are…you feel confident in allowing others to practice what they feel.
All I see on here is self-righteous bigotry. That will definitely not win the argument for us. Wise up some of you. You talk about intelligence and half of you can’t even spell! No wonder they have a following.
yes greg, they have all came to this site and witnessed our foolish misspelling ways… The reason why we have a problem with it is because it teaches LIES. I really dont care if someone thinks when it come to religion, but when you start making statements like “dinosaurs and humans lived together” something has to be done.
I am a “spiritual pimp.” I prefer to think of it differently, of course, but I do, for a living, help people find ways to live their lives with purpose and meaning – and it so happens that LIBERAL PROTESTANT Christianity is the path on which I am journeying and inviting people to walk.
Which means that I, too, find this video highly disturbing, perhaps more so than many of you who discount the Bible entirely. Fundamentalists who take the Bible to the absurd literal extreme and try to make it into the authoritative science, history, and English (because we all know that it came inerrant from God in the original King James Version…)textbook do violence to the contents that isn’t much different from the violence done to Jesus during his trial and crucifixion.
Jesus didn’t take Scripture literally. He saw it as metaphor, like generations of his ancestors before him. That’s why he used parables to teach important concepts – because metaphor begets metaphor. He also made no bones about setting aside portions of the Scripture that made no sense in his time, such as the Sabbath regulations. But he had reasons for doing so, unlike many of the worst literalists, who seem to think that “it is an abomination before the Lord and they shall be killed” means one thing with regard to a bacon double cheeseburger or adultery and another thing with regard to two men who love each other.
Anyone who is interested in a reasoned, faith-based approach to the Bible should read “Reading the Bible Again for the First Time” by Marcus Borg.
What strikes me as odd, is the fact that no one here really defends evolution at all. Not only that, but you are so selective and vicious with your attacks. So time for some education:
1. Macro evolution, which is what you are all referring to is not really a science since it requires “faith” due to the fact that no one has ever seen one species change into another (does not science work on the premise of metaphysical properties that can be demonstrated and repeated). Neither can any scientist demonstrate one, just one, intermediate being, therefore to believe in evolution must take “faith.”
2. Natural Selection, the very evolutionary mechanism for change falls down at a molecular level. Since Natural Selection requires self replicating organisms for the mechanism to work. The problem is, one of the properties of a basic cell is DNA, which is information and not a self replicating organism (in other words evolutionists require DNA for Natural Selection to work–but DNA the blue print for life points to a intelligent designer). All order in our universe is evidence of a designer. For example, take a tall sky scraper or the statue of Liberty. You would never say that they just appeared out of refuse metals deep inside the earth would you? Or that they formed over long periods of time? They are evidence that an intelligent being(s) have been at work. This is what you see in the basic cell, with all it’s intricate parts and systems. Darwin himself said in Origin of Species that if his theories fell down at a molecular level than you should disregard all of his theories regarding evolution (read it yourself in Origin of Species – I have, so maybe you should research the other side too?)
By the way I am a proponent for micro evolution because it can be scientifically backed up with metaphysical evidence. Macro evolution is simply false, and requires a blind leap of faith into a “THEORY” that was never meant to be taken as fact. That is why it is called the “THEORY OF EVOLUTION”
Maybe you should all spend a little more time researching the “facts” in an unbiased way instead of bashing evangelical conservatives who have the right to worship the God whom they believe created the universe. By the way, what makes your source any more credible than a 2,000 year ancient text recording the beginning of time? This is probably what disgusts me the most, conservative evangelicals also have the right to bring up their kids how they want to in America. Do I tell you how to bring up your kids? That is what makes America so great, you can have different views and still live at peace with one another. So maybe conservative evangelicals aren’t as ignorant and uninformed as you might think.
Why don’t you all read a book debating both sides of the issue such as “The Battle of Beginnings,” by Del Ratzsch?
Then watch the DVD: “Unlocking the Mysteries of Life”
Could the real reason be for your disdain with the 2,000 year old Bible’s view of creation be the fact God says you are a sinner (Rom. 3:23)? That maybe you would have to live by His rules instead of your own if He is truly God? What about the fact you have to repent from your sin in order to come back into a right relationship with God (John 3:16)? The Bible says, “There is a way that seems right unto man but it leads to destruction…”
I suggest seeking wisdom from multiple sources, instead of your narrow minded bigoted responses I see above.
Food for thought huh…
Fucking subhuman cultists.
“Nice job dude.”
The biochemist would be useless.
Hopefully he fails his exams at any real accredited scientific institutions.
Steady on dude, what next, “fucking subhuman down-syndromes?”
A lot of these people are not well. Some are plain stupid, some are schizotypal and hear the voice of god fifty times a day, and some (the Ted Haggard types) have Personality Disorders they probably acquired from childhood PTSD on encountering jesus camp.
Sure, a lot of them are con artists or are just being pig headed and obtuse. But post #21 above? It has the faintest tang of BPD about it. Probably not, but if it was, your comment would be way harsh and not fair at all.
Love the sinner and hate the sin, and all that…
I am not concerned about the comments made, I kind of expected that sort of narrow minded reply without addressing the issues at hand. I am more concerned over the lack of consideration for the other view. That maybe, just maybe intellectuals out there like myself can believe in Creation with an ounce of intelligence. I would like to know who has an answer to the Natural Selection argument I made above? Rather than show your ignorance, I am merely asking for someone to tell me why I should believe what you stand for today? What scientific “fact” can you provide that proves the existence of macro evolution occurring and reoccurring in real time? Secondly, can solve the problem of simple complexity that requires every part of a cell to work and exist, including DNA, for it to work? Lastly, explain the existence of DNA using evolution and Natural Selection?
That is all I ask, from one intellectual to another…
G’day there.
I think you missed the point genesis man. I don’t believe you understand evolution correctly. I will try to explain using your example of a skyscraper.
The skyscraper didn’t just appear, or grow and change over time. If you take a look at the history of construction, you will see that the techniques meterials and designs of buildings like these HAVE evolved over time. 1000′s, or even 100′s of years ago, people were not capable of designing or building skyscrapers. Materials like steel were not available so ancient bulidings were made from natural materials like mud-brick and wood. Over time the plans evolved, we learned how to make glass and metals like bronze and steel. We used these new materials in our designs and generation after generation of new buildings used newer designs as new materials and techniques evolved. After using new materials and designs, evaluatying what worked and didn’t work, we could evolve buildings through our own selection. As you can see, no single building has evolved, but over time, and over many different buildings, we have developed new techniques and materials that allow us to design skyscrapers. This is evolution.
We KNOW evolution is true because we CAN demonstrate that evolution takes place. Take, for example, the case of the hospital superbugs. Basicly, antibacterials antibiotics and other chemicals used in hospitals kill bacteria, virus’s and other bad stuff. Over time, some organisms mutate and can no longer be killed so new drugs must be developed to kill it. In the meantime it continues to grow rapidly and may infect many people. This is a simple form of natural selection that is demonstratable (even on the molecular level).
Correction, that is an example of micro-evolution, you only use the resources God has given us to make similar things. I do not see any building materials turning into living matter like flesh do you?
Remember, I accept micro-evolution but you have not proven marcro-evolution on any level.
By the way, if you understand mutations properly, then you would be aware that there is no new information, it is in fact a lack of information that leads to the mutations.
Lastly, the bacteria flagellum for example has never turned into another type of bacteria. So where is your point my friend? By the way growing has nothing to do with MACRO evolution, make your point please.
Good try but insufficient
I must say good night at this point… But the discussion has at least evolved somewhat ;o). night to all
Genesis Man, please do not confuse the issues. Your question about “building materials turning into living matter like flesh” does not relate to evolution, but to the origin of life. The theory of evolution does not claim to answer that question, at least not in the form it was presented by Darwin. (Hence the name “The Origin of Species”, not “The Origin of Life”.)
Macro-evolution may not be “proven” in having been directly observed (it takes too long to happen), but I would love to hear an explanation of why species “appear out of nowhere” throughout the eons, if macro-evolution does not happen. Are you saying that whatever god you believe in occasionally decides to create a new species and add to the mix, just to see how it works out? One that just happens to share most of its genes and physical characteristics with a similar creature already in existence?
Your claim that macro-evolution is not a science also happens to be incorrect.
1. It deals with observable facts (fossilized remains of organisms).
2. It is testable, to an extent. (Example: Claim that species A evolved into species B through some intermediate species C that has not been found when the theory is formulated. Later, species C is found and is verified through carbon dating to be of the expected age, putting it after the earliest known fossil of A and before the earliest known fossil of B.)
3. In terms of falsifiability, it does present some problems, but since all alternative theories that I’ve seen presented require species to somehow appear “out of nowhere”, and fossil evidence suggests that new species appear fairly frequently, we simply have to wait and observe until this happens. If it does, evolution is proven wrong.
BTW, you should probably look up “metaphysical” in a dictionary some time. It doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means. :-)
sigh, and yet another argument of wether evolution is true or not.
well, there’s nothing I can say that will chance your (false) view of the world, if you refuse to actaully read up on evolution itself, instead of adhering to what you _think_ evolution is about.
well as stated before your ‘evidence’ is just plain wrong, unfounded and not really thought about.
Ken Ham (the man with the ghastly mutton-chops) is one of the most ignorant and deluded people on the face of the planet, cherry-picking and misinterpreting an extreme minority of data to support the literal biblical account of creation while overlooking the extreme (99.99 (keep going for many more ’9′s)) amount of evidence that contradicts him.
He’s also the one building that multi-million dollar (I think 20?) creationist ‘museum’.
Really, it’s not our jobs to defend evolution. That’s the job of the experts on the topic. I think all of us who trust people to adhere to the scientific method instead of a carelessly tossed together compendium of ancient stories should stop trying.
We need to remember that criticism of evolution is NOT the same thing as a defense or support of ID or creationism. Let the creationist criticize all they’d like. If any of their arguments were credible, the evolutionary biologists would definitely work to fix or replace the theory. In fact, they ARE fixing it constantly already based on criticisms of other evolutionary biologists. That is the scientific method’s strength.
Genesis Man offers no rational defense of, nor evidence for creationism (I may have missed it as I did skim some parts of his posts). Until he does, let him criticize evolution. If any of his critiques are credible, I am certain that they are being investigated by the professionals.
To thefunrev:
Hello and welcome to the site! It is always great to hear from someone who is trying to claim Christianity back for the liberals. The focus of the religion in this country used to be about helping the poor, caring for family and neighbor, and creating a sense of community at the local level. I’d like to see the religion return to those roots and abandon the ‘holier than thou’ interpretation championed by the conservative evangelicals.
I think sidfaiwu said everything I was going to. And besides, we’ve done this debate before, at long wind. That debate can be seen elsewhere on the site. But to sum up my entire argument for why disproving evolution has nothing to do with proving creation,
“positive evidence”
I say no more on the topic.
Lets see if I can’t take up your challenge GenisisMan. I’m a computer scientist and logician by trade but I do have some biology knowledge from my collegiate days.
Macro- and Micro-evolution are not terms I have ever heard presented by biologists in their works as explanitory mechanisms. The only time I hear them brought up is when they have to address them.
Macro-evolution as you call it, you define as the change from one species to another. Micro-evolution however is given as the change in genetic materials, as presented by you. The whole of evolution however makes no bones about species and our human taxonomic devices. Evolution is simply the change in gene-frequencies over time by the mechanism of natural selection resulting in the removal of organisms not capable of coping with their environment and the proliferation of those creatures that are.
Now you say that Evolution would break down on the Micro-level as it requires a Self-replicating organism. This is however a misunderstanding of the genetic theory, and I don’t fault you for not knowing, since Evolution and gene theory are pretty complex subjects (heck, I’m referencing things to address this). The genetic level of evolution is not a break down since while it requires a replicating organism, the organism requires that there be a method of inheritence.
This is where the DNA and RNA comes in. And it doesn’t even need a desinger to achieve its complexity. Why is that? Not all order is achieved by design, just look at any crystal (diamond, ruby, calcite, ice), the simple ordering of molecules around a standard molecular pattern. DNA and RNA are themselves crystals, though they never really form into large structures. They don’t so much replicate as they play off of each other’s templates to reproduce themselves. Laboratory experiments have been performed showing that crystal formations, especially RNA (the one that does the copying), will tend towards the formations that will increase the efficiency of their replication. The arival of the Nucleic Acids may simply be the end result of crystaline structures undergoing this same process. This however is not a matter of evolution as the inheritor device is one of the requirements before evolution can begin. The arrival at RNA and DNA is actually part of the field of Abiogenisis, a field that main stream creationists have tried to link into the field of evolution.
You also speak of the “information” within DNA. DNA doesn’t really contain information as we would know it. It is a template by which protien structures can be formed. We are still researching exactly how the D-RNA pair facilitates the formation of the massive structures surrounding them. You then tie this to Mutation claiming that no mutations result in new informations. I suggest you look at Klinefelter’s syndrome, XYY syndrome, Triple X syndrome, and Polyploidy all mutations occurant that include the addition of chromosomes to the gene pool of the child.
Finally you bring up the bacterial flagellum, though I think you may be confused because your wording seems to take it as a kind of bacterial that could become a new kind of bacteria. The flagellum is a microcelular structure that consists of a rotary motor system turning the screw-like flagellum burrowing the bacteria through the water (I feel like I quoting Dawkins chapter and verse for this one). Similar structures have been found on other bacteria that are used to push out large protien structures from the bacteria’s walls, its not a large leap from twisting a convoluted protien crystal out of a body to simply twisting a protien around in a spiral using it for propulsion.
Well, I think I managed to address all your points Genisis Man. I welcome commentary.
Oh, and to thefunrev: thank you.
heaven forbid someone teach there children something different from what you beleive *Gasps!
Sure. It’s okay to teach your children that robbery is an acceptable way of life! What’s that fanu? You don’t believe that robbery is an acceptable way of life? hmmm.
Ok, lets teach our kids that quarters are more valuable than dollars! What? You don’t believe that either? hmmm.
How about this. People can teach their kids that Allah wants them to wage Jihad against all infidels. Not believing that one either?
Well Heaven forbid someone teach their children something different from what you believe.
Wow this opened my eyes! ^.~
I think I will go toke’n'smoke and go watch the Flintstones…so I can see how Jeebus lived.
I have nothing to say to this. These people are not even worth fighting with.
Darwin is my hero!
What a great debate. I was very entertained.
I am disturbed and mildly amused by the film.
Thankfully in England the Creationist movement is restricted to church and the occasional faith school.
In regards the origin of the species, life, etc,etc, I am still not clear why any religion is invited to the table to discuss their views.
The ‘science’ of creationim appears to be very well written if someone wants to believe it.
Obviously its all rubbish, but these folks have had a lot of practice in convincing the masses.
Personally I can’t really be bothered to point out the floors in biblical beliefs, its so bloody obvious its beyond discussion.
What concerns me is that such ideas are inflicted upon young children in such a forceful way.
I wonder if their parents tell them the truth about Santa….
fanu:
Teaching children that evolution is wrong…or less harmfully, that creationism is on equal footing with evolution in terms of science…handicaps the child when they grow up. At a very young age you are already closing doors of opportunity that would otherwise be available to them such as biology, anthropology, etc.
Well…..what a bunch of ancient wisdom here from the skeptics. You willingly unbelieving scholars will have all of eternity to debate the existence of a real and literal hellfire also. Then you will not only finally prove its existence – you will realize it as your permanent residence. Who is the fool who will weep and wail forever at the foolishness of bathing in his bitterness against God?
Thanks brad, but your not the first person to tell most of us we were going to hell. So what exactly is it thats sending us to hell? is it not believing in your god? cause every other religion could say the same thing about you. By the way, you cant be bitter at someone/something that doesn’t exist.
Hi Irish,
I believe that my cars engine is made of popcorn – but the lab test just came back and PROVED me WRONG. Should I dig in my heels?
I know the terms right and wrong tend to threaten those who are hiding in the gray – so forgive me for using such “black and white” terminology here.
Your statement of God’s non existence makes it no more a fact than the this statement ” All squares are circles that came from triangles”……The test of Truth and Error isn’t your belief or non belief it is based on what IS a proven FACT.
The Lab tests are in and you are infected with an virus called unbelief. Its cause in your case has been PROVEN to be from your continual mistake of ignoring the magnificence of God’s Creation set before your eyes.
Cheer up and stop being so religious about your evolutionary dogma. Put away your false prophet called Darwin and his bible that has been scientifically disproven.
We have a fossil record that shows no transitional forms – your done, roasted, and cooked.
Look up at the endless universe you do not understand and ask for some real wisdom.
I have a hard time believing that any god could make creatures with the potential for such intelligence and then punish them for using it. Although I am personally agnostic, I should imagine the Brads of this world are more deserving of hellfire in His eyes than the atheists of this world.
So tell me brad, do you actually believe the bible has been proven right? and your statement about transitional fossils is laughable, you’ll listen to anything your christian buddies tell you, wont you? we are understanding more and more about the universe we live in each day, it doesnt matter if YOU are paying attention to the research being done.
Brad, I normally don’t criticize people for their comments, but what on God’s green Earth are you talking about? Seriously, you are talking nonsense.
Please consider volunteering for the Just Ask! section so you can take your time to answer questions from everyone in an intelligible manner.
Please contact me if you’re interested because you are not doing your faith justice here. I look forward to hearing from you!
gasmonso
I thought the billboards from the town were quite humorous. It reminded me of the Paula Poundstone joke about a billboard she had seen that said “the wages of sin are death” in which she added “but after taxes it’s really just a tired feeling.”
HALT !!!
Pilomotor is such a well spoken and polished intellectual that I just changed my beliefs in the supreme creator of the universe and have chosen to follow him.
I am sorry God – this man is just too inspiring and gifted for me to ignore any longer.
The conviction he has birthed in my soul to renounce you and follow him is too strong to not be real.
I just wish Pilomotor showed himself to me before all of this Creationism took over my soul,,,, HAHAHHAA !!!!!!!!
Ok I have to go now because I have this gorgeous wife calling me and 3 awesome kids who I love and I love to see walk and talk with God.
Life is great here at my place and God’s blessing is evident.
Thank God I am no longer walking in darkness and stumbling around attempting to disprove the truth as I once did.
Enjoy it guys – I sure as hell didnt !!!
brad, wev been trying to engage you in thoughtful discussion and you acting like a 5 year old.
Then lighten up and relax – man your religion makes you miserable !! I thought the truth was supposed to set us free !!