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	<title>Comments on: Dawkins Defending Atheism On CNN</title>
	<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/</link>
	<description>Have faith in yourself</description>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-124180</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-124180</guid>
		<description>And, by the way, Dawkins did all right, considering the limited time he was allowed.  I would like to see the industrialized world in general get away from the "faster!  faster!  faster!" philosophy of doing things.  In that respect, I do admire the ancient Jewish concept of "Selah," or "a pause to reflect."  It might help people to remember to listen and consider first, and then respond.  Unfortunately, too many folks are just waiting for you to stop talking so they can speak again.  I include Europeans, Middle Easterners, and Asians in this criticism; in my experience, they are all too much like Americans (both North and South)in this regard.  And I've met a good many, from many different countries and cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, by the way, Dawkins did all right, considering the limited time he was allowed.  I would like to see the industrialized world in general get away from the &#8220;faster!  faster!  faster!&#8221; philosophy of doing things.  In that respect, I do admire the ancient Jewish concept of &#8220;Selah,&#8221; or &#8220;a pause to reflect.&#8221;  It might help people to remember to listen and consider first, and then respond.  Unfortunately, too many folks are just waiting for you to stop talking so they can speak again.  I include Europeans, Middle Easterners, and Asians in this criticism; in my experience, they are all too much like Americans (both North and South)in this regard.  And I&#8217;ve met a good many, from many different countries and cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-124179</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-124179</guid>
		<description>Science is all about proof, which is why it shapes my opinions.  Science can be demonstrated.  For example, the science of ballistics was developed by firing cannon again and again with different elevations and different charges.  Eventually, it allowed us (I am a US citizen, and relatively proud of my country, regardless of our fallacies and idiosyncracies)to get to the Moon.  Science either conditionally accepts or conditinally does not accept a certain idea based on available facts.  When new facts come to light, theories are revisited and revised.  For example, science does not accept that there is a Bigfoot.  If we found evidenc of a bigfoot (such as bones or -- gasp! -- an actual specimen), that would change.  Until then, you can go look all you want, and believe in Bigfoot all you want, but science conditionally rejects the idea of there being a Bigfoot.  This is part of my problem with America (and larger portion of the world than you might at first imagine . . .):  a misunderstanding of how science works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is all about proof, which is why it shapes my opinions.  Science can be demonstrated.  For example, the science of ballistics was developed by firing cannon again and again with different elevations and different charges.  Eventually, it allowed us (I am a US citizen, and relatively proud of my country, regardless of our fallacies and idiosyncracies)to get to the Moon.  Science either conditionally accepts or conditinally does not accept a certain idea based on available facts.  When new facts come to light, theories are revisited and revised.  For example, science does not accept that there is a Bigfoot.  If we found evidenc of a bigfoot (such as bones or &#8212; gasp! &#8212; an actual specimen), that would change.  Until then, you can go look all you want, and believe in Bigfoot all you want, but science conditionally rejects the idea of there being a Bigfoot.  This is part of my problem with America (and larger portion of the world than you might at first imagine . . .):  a misunderstanding of how science works.</p>
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		<title>By: Betelgeuse</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-79099</link>
		<dc:creator>Betelgeuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-79099</guid>
		<description>You don't believe in science. The whole point of science is that it works without your input.

This leads us to the classic slogan: "Science. It works, [female dogs]."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t believe in science. The whole point of science is that it works without your input.</p>
<p>This leads us to the classic slogan: &#8220;Science. It works, [female dogs].&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-49297</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-49297</guid>
		<description>I don't exist. Move on, get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t exist. Move on, get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fancy-Pants</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-49296</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fancy-Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-49296</guid>
		<description>athiest:

There may not be any *proof* against a god, but there is plenty of evidence that the current major world religions are false.  Stealing myths and rituals from one another, laughable creation myths, incorrect history, incorrect science, persecution of people who spread provable facts.  And if belief requires no proof, why are so many Christians hellbent on finding "proof" of Creationism? Because they, as they have since their inception, fear reality, fear knowledge, fear science, and fear truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>athiest:</p>
<p>There may not be any *proof* against a god, but there is plenty of evidence that the current major world religions are false.  Stealing myths and rituals from one another, laughable creation myths, incorrect history, incorrect science, persecution of people who spread provable facts.  And if belief requires no proof, why are so many Christians hellbent on finding &#8220;proof&#8221; of Creationism? Because they, as they have since their inception, fear reality, fear knowledge, fear science, and fear truth.</p>
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		<title>By: The Holy ettlz</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-45229</link>
		<dc:creator>The Holy ettlz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-45229</guid>
		<description>Why didn't Dawkins go for the jugular? When asked "Why do you think [certain religious types are] so remarkably intolerant of atheists?", I'd've replied, "Because they love the money and the power!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t Dawkins go for the jugular? When asked &#8220;Why do you think [certain religious types are] so remarkably intolerant of atheists?&#8221;, I&#8217;d've replied, &#8220;Because they love the money and the power!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sidfaiwu</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33153</link>
		<dc:creator>sidfaiwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33153</guid>
		<description>Hallo atheist,

Viel Dank for sharing.  I'm sorry to report that the CNN clip &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; typical of American television when discussing issues.  Public radio is better.  Perhaps Public television (we have only one station) is as well, but I don't watch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo atheist,</p>
<p>Viel Dank for sharing.  I&#8217;m sorry to report that the CNN clip <em>is</em> typical of American television when discussing issues.  Public radio is better.  Perhaps Public television (we have only one station) is as well, but I don&#8217;t watch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33143</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33143</guid>
		<description>Shaze,
Religious people aren't necessarilly required to abstain from any of those things.  I like my sex life just fine.  I drink and smoke what I want.  I get plenty of intelligent conversation, don't like spandex and don't have the body for it, and I suspect that anyone who says they have achieved "inner peace" just isn't paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaze,<br />
Religious people aren&#8217;t necessarilly required to abstain from any of those things.  I like my sex life just fine.  I drink and smoke what I want.  I get plenty of intelligent conversation, don&#8217;t like spandex and don&#8217;t have the body for it, and I suspect that anyone who says they have achieved &#8220;inner peace&#8221; just isn&#8217;t paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33037</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33037</guid>
		<description>In case you are interested in TV discussions in Germany:

Most often they will last for about an hour and have a handfull of guests. The shows on the state-owned channels are on the average considered the better ones as they do not depend on the number of viewers as much as the private channels do. They are funded to a good extent by the state and are required to maintain a certain level. Also, after 8 pm, there are no commercial breaks on state-owned channels.

Yet, there are good and bad shows on all kinds of channels, of course. My favourite one is a weekly show on a state-owned channel. On the other hand, one of the shows that disturbs me the most is also on a state-owned channel. Depends heavily on the host and the composition of guests.

Although according to my viewing habits the CNN clips in this post are too fast with the guest hurrying through their answers, I still have the same problem with the German shows. They may be a full hour, it still isn't enough. If the topic is interesting, why not talk for two hours, giving people some time to explain themselves?!

[Si]dragon complained about the hurrying format forcing the guests to ignore questions and break up their statements into several answers. I must tell you: It doesn't get much better if you give them more time. I'm actually sick of people (especially politicians) coming to a show for the sole purpose of spreading their message, no matter what the original topic of the discussion was. A good host makes all the difference. My favourite (from the show mentioned above) is a woman called Maybrit Illner. She keeps coming back to her questions and cuts her guest's speech if they start bullshitting. But of course, she also asks the right questions. I think the questions in the Dawkins interview were entirely stupid (except for the opener "Why are you an atheist?" but that was it). It was all about the christians vs. atheists issue and not about philosophy.

Religion is not a big issue on German TV, as far as I know. There are reports and discussions about lots of issues connected with islam (laden with prejudice, if you ask me), but nothing about the above-mentioned christians vs. atheists issue. The church (especially protestants) doesn't feel threatened by atheists. They recognise that their flock is decreasing, but they don't blame it on some kind of atheist campaign. They do freak out when the pope comes over for a visit (the "German" pope, my ass, he's a vatican citizen now) but get back to daily life when he leaves.

Also, similar to Norway described by NewOne, the clergy is invited to discussions about ethical issues, stem cell resarch being the perfect example.

Now I'd like you Americans to answer a question: Is this clip from CNN typical for discussions on US television? Especially: Is the length of the clip the length of the total discussion? I hope it is not.

And Richard Dawkins, besides my criticism of the interview, doesn't look so smart to me. His "there is no proof for God" argument misses the point of belief. Belief implies no proof. There's no proof for God but there's also no proof for not God. It is logically impossible to prove that God does not exist. So we are left with three choices:
1) Believe in God (or Gaia or a rebirth system, I don't care). You may do so because of having been told but maybe with age you will find good reasons for keeping up you faith.
2) Give in to your incapability to know anything, call yourself an agnostic.
3) Don't believe in God.
As long as the choice is made according to a certain reason that accounts for you and you don't impose your belief on others, what's wrong with that? Dawkins should accept that belief in science and reason is also belief. In my opinion, science does not interfere or compete with religion and religion does not interfere or compete with science. I was a christian but I chose not to believe in God. Simply for feeling better. The choice is not more rational than the choice of believing in God.
I must admit that all I know about Dawkins is the clip from this post and a newspaper article. So correct me if he has already stated something pointing in this direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you are interested in TV discussions in Germany:</p>
<p>Most often they will last for about an hour and have a handfull of guests. The shows on the state-owned channels are on the average considered the better ones as they do not depend on the number of viewers as much as the private channels do. They are funded to a good extent by the state and are required to maintain a certain level. Also, after 8 pm, there are no commercial breaks on state-owned channels.</p>
<p>Yet, there are good and bad shows on all kinds of channels, of course. My favourite one is a weekly show on a state-owned channel. On the other hand, one of the shows that disturbs me the most is also on a state-owned channel. Depends heavily on the host and the composition of guests.</p>
<p>Although according to my viewing habits the CNN clips in this post are too fast with the guest hurrying through their answers, I still have the same problem with the German shows. They may be a full hour, it still isn&#8217;t enough. If the topic is interesting, why not talk for two hours, giving people some time to explain themselves?!</p>
<p>[Si]dragon complained about the hurrying format forcing the guests to ignore questions and break up their statements into several answers. I must tell you: It doesn&#8217;t get much better if you give them more time. I&#8217;m actually sick of people (especially politicians) coming to a show for the sole purpose of spreading their message, no matter what the original topic of the discussion was. A good host makes all the difference. My favourite (from the show mentioned above) is a woman called Maybrit Illner. She keeps coming back to her questions and cuts her guest&#8217;s speech if they start bullshitting. But of course, she also asks the right questions. I think the questions in the Dawkins interview were entirely stupid (except for the opener &#8220;Why are you an atheist?&#8221; but that was it). It was all about the christians vs. atheists issue and not about philosophy.</p>
<p>Religion is not a big issue on German TV, as far as I know. There are reports and discussions about lots of issues connected with islam (laden with prejudice, if you ask me), but nothing about the above-mentioned christians vs. atheists issue. The church (especially protestants) doesn&#8217;t feel threatened by atheists. They recognise that their flock is decreasing, but they don&#8217;t blame it on some kind of atheist campaign. They do freak out when the pope comes over for a visit (the &#8220;German&#8221; pope, my ass, he&#8217;s a vatican citizen now) but get back to daily life when he leaves.</p>
<p>Also, similar to Norway described by NewOne, the clergy is invited to discussions about ethical issues, stem cell resarch being the perfect example.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;d like you Americans to answer a question: Is this clip from CNN typical for discussions on US television? Especially: Is the length of the clip the length of the total discussion? I hope it is not.</p>
<p>And Richard Dawkins, besides my criticism of the interview, doesn&#8217;t look so smart to me. His &#8220;there is no proof for God&#8221; argument misses the point of belief. Belief implies no proof. There&#8217;s no proof for God but there&#8217;s also no proof for not God. It is logically impossible to prove that God does not exist. So we are left with three choices:<br />
1) Believe in God (or Gaia or a rebirth system, I don&#8217;t care). You may do so because of having been told but maybe with age you will find good reasons for keeping up you faith.<br />
2) Give in to your incapability to know anything, call yourself an agnostic.<br />
3) Don&#8217;t believe in God.<br />
As long as the choice is made according to a certain reason that accounts for you and you don&#8217;t impose your belief on others, what&#8217;s wrong with that? Dawkins should accept that belief in science and reason is also belief. In my opinion, science does not interfere or compete with religion and religion does not interfere or compete with science. I was a christian but I chose not to believe in God. Simply for feeling better. The choice is not more rational than the choice of believing in God.<br />
I must admit that all I know about Dawkins is the clip from this post and a newspaper article. So correct me if he has already stated something pointing in this direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Felekar</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33018</link>
		<dc:creator>Felekar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/02/12/dawkins-defending-atheism-on-cnn/#comment-33018</guid>
		<description>Notice the way they have the guests standing. That's showing a lot about their position on the matter. 
The two Christians and the host shoulder to shoulder, talking to the one Atheist there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice the way they have the guests standing. That&#8217;s showing a lot about their position on the matter.<br />
The two Christians and the host shoulder to shoulder, talking to the one Atheist there&#8230;</p>
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