Ever since I started this site, I have reported on Jesus sightings as well as the occasional Virgin Mary image. The one thing that all these stories have in common is what appears to be an image or likeness of Jesus or the Virgin Mary. Whether it’s a Virgin Mary Funyun or a tree resembling Jesus on the crucifix; it is always an image or likeness.
Have you ever wondered about Islam? What do Muslims see since depictions of the Prophet Muhammed are taboo? Tis a tricky situation if you ask me. Fortunately, Allah has risen to the challenge and accommodated Islam in a unique fashion. Whereas Christians see the image of Christ, Muslims see the actual Arabic text for “Allah”. Convenient? Indeed!
The beginning of the video is nothing more than pictures of “Allah” sightings accompanied by some catchy Arab music. The end of the video is quite interesting and initially caused me to laugh out loud. Then after a little realization, it disturbed me.
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Seriously, even if I was a Christian, a Muslim, or any other religion, I can’t imagine looking at a Funyun or a cloud and saying, “Wow! That object looks vaguely like something I hold as religiously significant! It must be God/Allah/whatever trying to tell me something!”
Seriously. I expect that God has better things to do than create messages in grilled cheese. But then again, I could be wrong. If I were God, I would probably mess with people too. I would make an -entire bag- of Funyuns look like Mary and baby Jesus. That would really get people going.
*sigh*
In my own special way (Marijuana and Sex), I will pray for all the muslims and christians out there who still beleive in miracles. The only miracle I beleive, is how all you morons haven’t killed each other yet.
Is it just me, or do none of those look like what they say they look like?
This doesn’t seem that far fetched to me. I already think of the way most people approach religion as a rather extreme form of suspension of disbelief. From that perspective, imagination plays are rather significant role in the practice of their faith.
“Is it just me, or do none of those look like what they say they look like?”
Well, maybe that’s why every divine text had to be dictated to and written by mere humans. God is dyslexic.
Pilo, you may be on to something…
“And the Great Dog looked down upon man, which He in his infinite wisdom had created, and said, I, goD, have created thee.”
“God? What the hell is that? Well, whatever, it’s your book.”
Thank you Gosnomo, I was really happy to see that, esoecially the last scene, amazing.
it might be me, but were the people in the last scene seeing allah in a lamppost? I didn’t get it…
geez alcari, the letter(s) was written in it’s holiest form: reverse kursive, without any kurves and without the last vertical line.
If you guys think that’s bad here is one that has been going around in my area for quite a while:
Look at the Coca Cola lable in the mirror, you’ll see something that looks kinda like “no Allah, no Mohammed.”(in arabic of course) It is clearly a conspiracy against Islam:D
Wait, you mean that completely normal cloud formation? Wow, I’d better convert, i’ve seen allah hundreds of times.
But these movies are great prove that human DO have a herding instinct
it looks like a penis (hanging to the left) and testies ( in the middle) ….
I’ve been playing with my allah since i was 13!
thats scary
You are just stupid trashy person.
Hey Alcari
this video shows people praying during Haj! and that’s one of the prayers they do during this time! it’s not obvious that this person wasn’t sure that he was filming properly or he was just showing what the sky in Makka looks like but I’m sure like 100% that these people were praying saing Oh allah please forgive us! and alla mean s God by the way if u guys don’t know what it mean.
and u guys should get a grip and life! why do u care so much about people’s religiouns?
If you don’t have one and u are happy with it then why do u make fun of others who do have a religion? this shows how short minded u are and that u feel like u r missing something in this world and u try to fill that in but putting so much pressure on ppl with a religion.
At least those who do beilieve in god and have a religion do have a goal and never get tierd of having a hard life or a good life. because they all have a goal and that is to get to GOd! who cares if god is not real or not. The thing is that they have someone to look up to.! and they there is not alife after this then why do u care so much that they are dumb and stupid! if they are then they die and nothing happens!
Plese stop this gasmonso.
Gasmonso, I am happy to see that you at least care more about religions than Samantha about the English language.
What puzzles me, however, is why you find this video disturbing. It does indeed seem to be the Haj, and they are indeed calling for Allah to forgive them. The cloud formation in the sky could (with a bit of goodwill) be seen as a representation of Allah, so it don’t surprise me he put it on film.
Now, what’s so damn disturbing about this? It all looks rather benign to me.
@Samantha:
You’re obviously new here. Please got and read some of the discussions here to see what we’re all about. Now you ask why do I and my readers care about religion? Are you serious? Have you not seen what is going on in the world today such as the Middle East, Britain, France, etc? Have you not seen what is going on in the classrooms today… religious groups trying to teach kids creationism without a shred of evidence that it is real besides the Bible? Have you not seen the blatant discrimination against homosexuals by the religious right?
I’m not anti-religion, but just keep your beliefs to yourself. Don’t force it on everyone around you. Religion is between you and God, not you and me.
@Chris:
It’s not disturbing like horror movie disturbing. It’s disturbing to see humans act like sheep with such fervor. Staring up at the clouds talking to God as if he is in complete control and you’re at his mercy seems rather pathetic. And from the video it does look like they are paying special attention to the clouds as if it were an actual sign from God. That’s just ridiculous. The fact that so many people believe that is disturbing.
I could be wrong of course ;)
gasmonso
It would be kind of wierd if that was originally the vapour trail from a plane.
Everybody here needs a Kit-Kat
I’m a Muslim convert. While I respect people who perhaps feel happy, inspired, or maybe even validated in their faith by seeing those kinds of images, they sorta rub me the wrong way. As a believer, I don’t feel there’s any benefit to these. After watching the video I don’t feel ‘spiritually envigored’, ready to go out and change my life. It seems sorta vain and superficial. I don’t need a bee hive to say “Allah” in order to believe that God is real. His signs and miracles are manifest everywhere, at all times.
@Alex
“His signs and miracles are manifest everywhere, at all times.”
Examples?
oh agony, your not a believer, you could never understand and see the wonder of allah until you open your mind to him.
Agony, your body is a miracale, every thing around you is a miracle to be don’t this way, nothing came by chance, every thing around you is well done to serve you and be under your control to serve you, like the sun, gravity, they weather, every thing done for human being to exist and to beleive if they want to.
I don’t care about the visual miracale, as much as I care about what I feel when I need god to be beside me, I always feel his presence beside me, I always know that he is the strongest to lean on( so I don’t need human-being help), on the contrary I feel with god help, human-being become under my control to serve me with out even asking them.
You can make fun of what I saying, it’s your opinion, but what I want to say, that you people losing the feeling of the connection of god(spirtuily not Physically), and that’ why Gasnomo felt the way he felt few weeks ago, I never talked to Gasonmo about it, but that’s why he feels this way.
Mohamed, you are so inculcated that you lie then deny it. If you want evidence, look at our discussion about whether god know all or not. You said he did, but as people were like computers they don’t always work, as if god wouldn’t know this. It’s a sad lie. And as for miracles, show me one. The human body is natural, it is not a miracle.
Read my post in Jusus didn’t die for our sins.
may aller the moon gOD and his man, Mohammed A.K.A. I eats mohambone. Would not bother me if all you “religious” nuts, dropped dead. May you and Mohambone eat camel shit!!!
this could be sings from god in deferent languages
dont you all ever read the Quranic verse? just read the translation you may found something that interest you. the miracle is in there. read and think. this religious only for the thinkers.. try it..
Oh I have no doubt that the Qur’an describes miracles, I just doubt it’s accuracy.
Sidfaiwu,
You misunderstand constant, he meant that Quran is the miracle it self, not just decribing mricales.
But why it is a miracle?
Without reading a line from it which claims it is?
Believe it, it’s a miracle, God challanged anybody to get verse like it, and nobody could.
Every riligion came with a mricale, which it used to be the mircale differnt from the message, but in Islam the message and the mircale was the same(Quran).
still didnt understand huh..
emm.. ok.. i challenge you guy to read the quran.
than try 2 seek any mistakes.. if you not found it..
so it is not man made.. its come from god..
that is the miracle. so try it..
That, constant, has already been done. The link below contains a link to a list of 18 mistakes in the Qur’an. You can find many more if you browse the site a bit.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/science/long.html
For the sake of discussion, I’ll pick on just one on this list, #2. Surah 7:80-81: “And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you? Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk.”
The verses claim that homosexual behavior has been practiced by “no creature ever” before. But homosexual behavior has been observed in many animals other than human. In other words, the Qur’an is wrong, male creatures did “lust unto men instead of women” before humans.
@ Sid, I was going to do a similar post to your post 33 re errors in the Quran, but you were quicker than I :-). My time zone and lack of coffee today doesn’t help.
I do find that googling on “errors in Quran” yields many other sites that apparently point out other mistakes. There are also references to how similar verses to those in the Quran have been created by human poets. Not that a website is a definitive reference, but I think that a simple search is not a bad place to start research.
With all that in mind, I have to ask the following obvious questions of Mohamed and constant:
Since it appears that the purported perfection of the Quran is a pillar of your religious belief, would it then be the case that finding even one demonstrable error in the Quran would undermine your faith? Furthermore, what would be your responses to any of the mistakes of the Quran in the site that Sid provided a link to?
Thanks,
Korgan
7:80 We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
“For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.”
Here is the right translation Mr Sid, as you see you always go to the wrong web sites to get your info, did you see God mentioned aniamals, he was talking about people, he didn’t mentioned animals.
The other thing, before people claimed that Gay people created gays to void the whole idea that you have a choice to obey god, but there in scientific proof for it, and they tried hard to prove it, but there was none.
The same thing they will do here, animals doing such a begavior, why wouldn’t human-being do the same, the answer is if you want to be an aniaml that’s your choice.
did you all read a book title : the bible, quran and science. wrote by DR. MAURICE BUCAILLE?.. please read it..
read about quran.. n bible on it.. see something..
Interesting Mohamed,
I’m sure you know which translation is more accurate. As a mono-linguist, I have no way of determining. What is the original word that has been alternately translated as ‘creature’ and ‘person’?
“if you want to be an aniaml that’s your choice.”
I hate to break this to you, but we are animals. It is always interesting how differently believers and non-believers react to the claim. The religious always seem to believe that being an animal would somehow entitle us to treat each other immorally. In non-religious have the exact opposite, and better response. If we are animals and treat each other morally, perhaps we should give other animals, especially closely related ones, moral consideration as well.
The religious see it as an excuse to contract morality, the non-believer sees it as an opportunity to expand morality.
But back to the Qur’an. One down, many to go. Let’s try cosmology out then. Like most religions, Islam describes the earth as the center of creation (yet we are not even the center of our own solar system and galaxy, much less all creation). According to the Qur’an, Allah placed the stars in the lower heavens (67:3,5 41:12 37:6). According to these verses, Allah created a total of seven heavens, one atop another. Now compare these verses with 71:15-16. Apparently the moon was created in the midst of the seven heavens. The conclusion is unavoidable, the Qur’an places the moon at an equal distance or further than all the stars in the night sky. The Qur’an is wrong.
Sid,
Back to Quran, verses 71:15-16, translated wrong even in the site I provieded above, in Arabic it didn’t mentione in midst, Quran said in them not midst, I’m actually will email the web-site to look into translation, because it’s abvious mistake from who ever tanslate that, I’m not really expert in translation, but this one is really easy.
I used to hear from Sheilhs how danger to translate Quran, and I was wondering why, but now I understand why.
sid,
i have told you 2 read “the bible,quran and science” book right!?
have you read it? there is some explanation about what has you post here. can you please read the book?
constant,
Your reference and its author appear to have been widely discredited. (Google again is your assistant for some basic references on Bucaille and his book.) In fact, the “science” that Maurice Bucaille describes more closely resembles wildly out-of-date embryology and astronomy from a thousand years previous to the writing of the Quran, than it does to modern science; forward looking in science the Quran is not. Furthermore, the sections of the Quran that are most often used by Quran literalists in attempted fits to modern science are generally so vague that they can be twisted to appear to be in agreement with just about anything. Where there is anything quantitative or even observable, things go very wrong. See the numerous critiques of the Quran prediction of the speed of light in vacuo as just one example.
Furthermore, Maurice Bucaille is not a practicing scientist. He is or was a medical doctor apparently in the employ of the Saudi royal family. That makes his objectivity more than a little suspect. Numerous scientists have debunked his book.
Your case grows weaker. Got any better references that we can look at?
Korgan,
What about scientist Keith Moore and his opinion about embryology in Islam, he is scientist and he one of the best in his field, and here is his opinion, if the Quran is accurate, but I know you will not watch the video, and even if you watch it, you already have prejudgment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5195057617380493979&q=embryology+and+islam&total=49&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Hi, Mohamed
The Moore reference is also a commonly cited one re Islam, and is also widely discredited. I was already familiar with it, because it and the Bucaille reference seem to most often get trotted out in claims about the Quran and science.
Basically, it appears that Moore made some bookend remarks in his textbook based on third hand sources regarding what the Quran says, for his Muslim hosts. It also appears that he no longer stands behind those remarks, and that they are a source of embarrassment to him. Furthermore, what he thought at the time was new in the Quran turns out to have been guessed correctly hundreds of years before the Quran was written, by people with no claims to divinity.
As has been quoted here before, in essence “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. For the arguments that the Quran is a divine work, and that it is at all prescient of modern science, to be convincing, quantifiable observables and relationships would have to be demonstrated. For example, quantum mechanics and modern atomic theory result in remarkably precise measurables that would be severe tests. I think the Quran is silent on these. There are many claims about the Quran with regard to relationships between matter and energy that were established in the early 1900′s, but these claims are sketchy at best, and I think, not credible. I’m willing to look at more references, but the case for a divine Quran so far appears badly flawed, in my opinion.
Every thing in Quran about Embroylegy was correct, and the claim that these facts discoverd hundereds years, and Muhammed got from them is false, and I will tell you why, what ever discovered hundereds years ago had a lot of errors, so do you think Muhammed picked up the right stuff and left the wrong stuff.
Remember didn’t know how to read or write, so do you think and I know you are smart, that some guy didn’t know how to read or write would talk to people about scientfic theories and then think about including it in Quran, and put it the way he did, he has to be genius to do that, and I don’t think that anybody will be able to do it.
Again Quran is not science book, it’s just signs book, Quran is not going to have pictures or tests, it’s just give signs, and I really don’t know what the flaws in the Quran about this topic, I can’t find one.
I’m not really scinetist, and I’m not even scholar, I just weigh the matters, and see what’s logical and what’s not.
Mohamed,
Others, in other threads here and elsewhere, have discussed the probable sources of Muhammed’s reading and writing skills. I won’t try to deal with that here and now.
However, it is fundamentally flawed to claim on the one hand that the Quran is consistent with science, and on the other hand, that it is a text of signs or hints, which are subject to interpretation. That inconsistency alone is sufficient grounds for rejecting the science and prescience claims regarding the Quran. One can go further into details, because of course modern science goes far beyond embryology, but it isn’t necessary to get into that to reject the Quran-divinity argument on logical grounds.
One also has to wonder about these various gods, Islamic, Christian, and other, that have popped up from time to time purportedly to cause someone to write something dramatic, then disappear again with never another peep. It becomes suspect beyond belief, given the claimed god characteristics such as omnibenevolence.
Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to have your beliefs challenged. One aspect of science is that it is always to be challenged, and improved upon as flaws are found or new theories develop. Therein, as you know, it is polar opposite to religion.
Korgan,
“it is polar opposite to religion.”,
Islam is not like that, God gave a lot of challanges to people in Quran, so the idea that religion always don’t like to be challanged a bit untrue.
Quran is not science book, because Quran is about a lot of stuff, it’s about social life and even politics and many other things, so Quran has signs for people want to think and search for the truth, as mentioned before God asked human-being to look at the skies to look even at the animals and see how these created and how accurate it has been made.
Any way I enjoy arguing with you and Sidfaiwu, I like both your challange to me.
how about this picture?
is it miracle or not?
http://www.miraclesofislam.com/treeruku.shtml
hey mohamed,
did you have any friend that is better about our religion?
or an ulama’? mabe he can help us in here..
Constant,
I don’t have any close friend who can help, but you have to know God is the best help, we are trying to defend Islam, we are not trying to win argument or make them convert, they have the choice to be what ever they want, we just make people know and they choose.
Thank God for the internet, that was the best thing ever happened for Islam, can’t you see how many people convert to Islam in the world.
The Pop’s secretary was crying on the news because the can’t stop people from converting in Germany and many other European country.
Surat Alnasr
110:1 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
110:2 And thou dost see the people enter Allah’s Religion in crowds,
110:3 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).
Sadk Allah Alazeem.
You can try this web site and see how many Muslim converting in this website,
http://www.turntoislam.com/
Thank God that he put the truth in our religion, I know how much you like Islam my friend, God bless you, try to learn yourself, I’m trying to do the same too, and know that you will never get enough knowledge no matter what, so be humble for how much you know, and never feel the pride for how much you know, like some stupid people, you have to know that what you know is just to serve God not for bragging about it, and God help me and you, and make the heaven for us in shaa Allah, and guide those who don’t believe in God.
thanks mohamed,
may we both still in better life in islam.
for your info, i’m not really good in english.
but i will try be better. i’m still in learning process.
hope i can learn with you. where do you from?
I’m from Egypt but I live in USA, and my English is not that good either, I’m trying to learn more, and I think next few weeks I will have to even try harder becuase I’m going ot get me second bachelor degree in Shaa Allah, so I hope God help me in my study, and I hope I will use it to benefit Islam and all human-being in Shaa Allah.
You are doing good, and God gives you good deeds for trying, just take it easy, and try to have some patience, and try to deal with people with husna, and try not to get angry easily, you can also learn from people here, ther is no harm to learn from non-muslim, but learn English from them, learn the way to argue with differnet beliefs.
God bless you brother.
thanks for your advise. maybe i can gone through on them. i really want 2 learn. you take a bachelor degree.
you really smart. may Allah bless you.