On the OT law, many make the error of failing to distinguish between moral, civil and ceremonial law, and also that many laws that would apply to Israel at that time as a theocratic state do not apply to other peoples at other times. The laws against sexual perversions are part of the moral category which are by nature universal.

In short, if God created man in His own image in order to reflect His own glory, then He has the “right” to dictate to man how he should behave according to the purpose for which he was made. After all, God is the designer and creator and so knows best how man ticks and best functions as man qua man. So if God, who is necessarily good, issues a moral command or prohibition, He has darn good reasons for doing so–reasons that may or may not be available to us. Gotta run….
I lack opportunity now to elaborate

I thought I made it very clear. Christians have taken up arms against homosexuals when they should be preaching love and tolerance. I find religious arguments against homosexuality to be devoid of any substance. It is based solely on ignorance.

Sure the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination, but it also says that eating shellfish is too. Not to mention that getting a tattoo is wrong under the eyes of God.

The list goes on and on. So why the focus on homosexuality? I would like someone to clarify what is so wrong about homosexuality. Please inform me because I always thought that love is love whether its between a man and a woman or between two men. The hatred that Christians express towards homosexuality seems worse than that love.

What’s interesting is that when I was a Catholic in my younger days I hated homosexuals. I honestly thought they were perverse and disgusting freaks of nature. I also had reservations about minorities having grown up in a white suburb because there weren’t any there.

Fortunately, when I went to the Marines, I realized that I wasn’t much different than people of other races and cultures. The feelings that I had were based on my ignorance and luckily for me I was enlightened.

Of course being in the Marines reinforced a hatred towards homosexuals. It wasn’t till I got out and attended a university that I began to understand homosexuals. My first boss was one and he never spoke of it until one day I just asked. He was rather surprised to say the least, but more than happy to discuss it. I learned a lot from him and several others that I have met since.

I remember asking him once if being gay was a choice. He simply replied, “Do you chose to be straight?” Being gay or straight is a lot like being left or right handed. Look what happened to left handed people years ago. They were discriminated against and for what? Ignorance and fear.

The same applies here. Homosexuals are stuck on this planet just like the rest of us. They have the same desires, feelings, and emotions as we all do. They are just in the minority and misunderstood, and thus feared.

I’m just babbling now, but I hope you understand where I’m coming from. If you would like me to clarify something then please just ask :)

gasmonso

Well Dooh!

You seem to be appealing to some standard of right and wrong in order to condemn “Christians” (and Muslims, and others who don’t agree with you). In the above quote you make a number of moral and value judgements. Are you saying these things because you merely have uncomfortable feelings and emotions about what such people do and say, or are you into this this because you get a kick out of rubbishing other peoples different ways, or do you actually believe that they are objectively wrong and ought to correct their behaviour?

I’ll bring this up next time I’m at the White House.

gasmonso

Here in the States, Christians want to own the word ‘marriage’. I have a strong suspicion that if our governments (marriage is a State-level thing here) stopped granting marriage licenses and started issuing civil-union licenses instead that carried the exact same legal rights and responsibilities to both gay and strait couples, the problem would disappear overnight. Marriage is seen here as having spiritual overtones. American Christians actually believe that if gays are ‘married’ by the States, it would cheapen the spiritual quality of their own, happily strait marriages.

I can kind of understand (under the premise Gay=icky) that you don’t want gay marriage in church, but WTF is the problem with gay marriage outside of church? When did the church start (officially) dictating the law?

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Gay people don’t choose to be gay just like black people don’t choose to be black.
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unfortunatly, there are some retarded christians who don’t agree with this simple thruth and think that “gayness” is a disease.

It is fairly evident that Christians oppose homosexuality as was seen in the last elections. Several states had tried to pass same-sex unions and they all failed except for like one.

Many Christians, including friends and family of mine, claim to accept homosexuals as people, but their actions don’t match up. They’ll talk to them at work and even become friends. But when it comes to it, they won’t even vote for them to have basic rights like a civil union. That’s disturbing and two-faced.

And that is the majority of Christians.

Marriage is not a religious ceremony. It is process by which two people make a commitment to one another. And it also affords them certain benefits (ie taxes, etc) under the law.

If marriage was solely a religious event, then Atheists should not be allowed to marry too. And furthermore it should not be recognized by the government, nor should married couples receive any benefits.

gasmonso

How can one claim that

While I have no doubt that this happened, I was calling Gas to task for lumping all Christians together and trying to do it in a light hearted way. I don’t think that most Christians want to make homosexual acts illegal. If that were true then given the fact that by all accounts we’re the majority, then it still would be. I think a very vocal minority do and I have no problem with telling them how freakishly stupid that is. We can’t legislate our own particular brand of morality.