Hoist the freak flag because we’re about to embark on a most unsettling Christian animated journey. There are three distinct stops on this journey and I politely ask that you keep your hands inside the ride at all times. So without further ado, let us begin.
Stop #1: VeggieTales–A computer animated Christian series produced by Big Idea, Inc. VeggieTales is the definition on how vegetables can be used to indoctrinate kids in to Christianity.
Stop #2: The Religetables–A VeggieTales parody created by Saturday Night Live’s TV Funhouse showcasing the horrifying and scandalous moments in Christian history.
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Stop #3: Clum Babies on Drawn Together–An insane parody of VeggieTales that words can’t begin to describe. If you haven’t seen this show, then you are in for a shock. Be careful if you’re at work… you’re coworkers may hear you dying of laughter. Thanks to Brett Keane for the video!
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Thanks. That was a good start to the day.
Those are hilarious.
Well, so are the VeggieTales dvd’s and tv show. Yes I said TV show. They have a half hour show now on er….I cannot remember which channel here in the US.
If you have never seen a real veggie tales and are familiar with the Christian Bible, then you may be in for a treat. Quite entertaining.
Just for the record, I am not a Christian.
The clip from Drawn Together is probably hard to follow if you haven’t seen the beginning. For those of you who don’t know what’s going on and don’t have access to the full episode, I’d suggest checking out the Wikipedia entry to learn that Wooldoor has recently reached puberty, and his sperm can magically heal people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clum_Babies
Hilarious and scary at the same time. Hiscarious? Having seen the indoctrination that is Veggie Tales it starts out with harmless morality lessons on stealing, fighting, lying, or cheating. Then it always veers it towards mythological indoctrination hidden as childhood silliness. What is sad is I have family that keeps trying to give Veggie Tales movies to my daughter as gifts. I have to swap them out for Harry Potter or Sponge Bob before my kid sees them.
People need to follow religion for purely philosophical reasons once they reach an age where they can reason. Why do parents insist on feeding their child’s brain with such propaganda?
The SNL one was funny. The Drawn Together one was far too violent for my tastes. I can see why others might find it funny though.
Come on Sid! It wasn’t that violent ;) Ok, so maybe it was more like Pulp Fiction than a cartoon, but kids these days are so desensitized that we need to up the ante ;)
gasmonso
You know what’s strange. This cartoon turned my stomach whereas Pulp Fiction didn’t. Maybe I’m just getting old.
Oh, a quick note to all the “But think of the children” adults out there: Notice what I did when I decided that the cartoon was too violent for me (or my kids, had I any)? I turned it off and didn’t watch any more episodes. Really, it’s that easy! There’s no need for me to go on a public tirade to ‘protect our children’ from this ‘obscene’ (cartoon, of all things!) show. Nope. I just change the channel and trust other adults to make their own judgments as to the suitability of the show for them and their families.
Deus, there’s nothing hidden or secretive about the VT “agenda”. It’s message has always been overtly Christian.
Oh and btw, this question has always bugged me. I hear much talk about how bad it is that Christians “indoctrinate” our children and I’ve a question for the ahtiests (or for that matter the deist). Do you not teach your children what you believe? If so then is that not indoctrination? If not why not?
Hello Scott,
I cannot answer this question with any real authority since I’m sans kids. But I do have some thoughts (and a burning urge to share them with anyone I think might want to hear them). I don’t think anyone has the right to dictate how adults choose to raise their children, unless the children’s rights are being violated by their guardians. So, for me, what to call ‘indoctrination’ vs. ‘education’ is strictly in the realm of opinion, and everyone has a right to voice their opinions.
Anyway, when/if I have children, I will definitely teach them my non-religious beliefs, which includes my moral beliefs. As far as religious education goes, I’d like to educate them on all the major world religions, their common truths, and their differing absurdities. But most importantly, I want to teach them critical thinking. It really is less important to me that my children learn all of my ideas. It is much more important that they become capable of generating their own. It is this last, crucial element that makes education different from indoctrination.
As I wrote elsewhere recently, the problem I have with religion is that it strongly discourages questioning its core tenants. Indoctrination occurs when children are told to believe theological or philosophical things over and over again, but not told the reasons for believing them. And it occurs when children are punished (whether directly or passively) when they question what they are told to believe.
Indoctrination occurs when parents use language such as ‘This is what we believe/’, where that ‘we’ includes the child. A similar indoctrinating statement would be ‘You cannot behave like that because we believe…” True educators would use statements like ‘This is what I believe and here is why… Here is what person/people X believe and here is why…’ and ‘You should not behave like that because it will negatively effect these thing.’
In other words, indoctrination dictates what a child believes, education informs that child what people believe.
Yes, I agree with Sid’s definitions. Being a young atheist in an all-Christian family allows me to see first-hand how indoctrination/education works. I’ve heard the phrase “We believe” far, far too many times. I do not think my family is made of bad people, but perhaps just misguided.
As a father of two I can say that sidfaiwu’s words of wisdom hold true in our family. The most important thing I teach my kids is to think for themselves.
Oh and I will add this. Just because I am raising my kids as Agnostics initially… I do intend to educate them with respects to religion. If they choose to pursue one, that is their own choice. But I surely won’t make it for them. No way.
gasmonso
Well we’re in agreement then. Because when I talk to my children I tell them what I believe personally and what Christians believe generally. I’ve never told my children that “x” is what they must believe or that as a family we believe “y” (not as regards to religion anyway). I teach them what the Bible says and what I believe that it means when it says it. My wife and I don’t always agree on interpretations of scripture. Sometime we come to a middle ground. Sometimes we agree to disagree for a time, always coming back to it later.
I don’t really educate them on the world’s many differing religions, though when they are older I can certainly talk to them about any number of religions and get them study material. I also like to think that I am teaching them critical thinking skills. I don’t take everything I read, regardless of the book, at face value and I will expect my children to follow in my footsteps in that regard.
Regarding questioning the “core tenets” of a religion, we’re studying the Westminster Confession of Faith in our church. It’s basically a book that boils down Reformed theology (beliefs about Christianity that came out of the Reformation, largely Presbyterian) to it nuts and bolts. We’re very much encouraged to wrestle with it, even disagree with it. Agreement with it is in no way a requirement to join our church.
I don’t (and won’t) punish my children for disagreeing with me when it comes to anything (so long as it stays respectful). So it sounds like given your definition that I’m not indoctrinating my children, which is certainly how I feel. I know that there are other religious people that do and I also know that there are atheists that do. I’ve known children in atheist families that have become religious and have been punished for it. Any thougts on that?
Hey Scott,
Why am I not surprised that your Christianity is related to Presbyterianism? It seems that Presbyterians are the least likely of all denomination to be freaks. Based on my admittedly limited anecdotal evidence, Presbyterians are more thoughtful about how they practice their religion. Do you know why that might be?
Anyway, I’d have to agree, Scott. Based on your description, you and your wife are providing Christian education, not Christian indoctrination. I also agree that there is such a thing as ‘atheist indoctrination’, and I think that it can be no less damaging than religious indoctrination.
If I had to guess the why it would probably get back to the doctrine of predestination. We believe that God chooses whom he will for his reasons/glory. We don’t believe that being chosen makes us better, just more fortunate. That also means that no amount of browbeating can turn anyone into a Christian, so while we’re still called to evangelize it certainly enables us to focus more on just getting out and helping folks and less on Bible thumping.
I think when you believe that you became a Christian because you are wiser or more holy than others (as some Evangelicals do) it’s easier to turn into a Pharisee/Religious Freak. I don’t believe that I’m in any way less of a sinner than anyone else. Also in most cases the drinking of alcoholic beverages isn’t problematic and that may serve to make us more laid back. ;-)
In my particular case it’s lead me to see God as less of some thundering law giver (though he is that) and more of a loving father. This particular view of God also means that even the hardcore cases like Gas and Michael aren’t too far gone, no matter what they might think. One of our Pastors was a hardcore atheist, raised by a very liberal atheistic family. He would have fit in nicely here.
Well hello, I found this site by searching for VeggieTales,
I am not here to bash the atheists that is not my point. In fact that is one of the biggest problems facing us. We are
all indoctrinated into something and its every persons choice as to what it is they are led into and this includes the children. For instance how many of those that call themselves
atheist grew up in church and the decided it was not for them?
My point has been made.
*Boom and a Big Bang*Thanks for the kind words Eric Foster. Why are you afraid to tell it like it is. Just to let you know your point has not been made and I am confused?
First off no one cares how you found this site, we don’t need to hear some stupid excuse. Your post is pretty unclear, are you saying people are non-religious because they were raised that way? Indoctrination is one of the biggest culprits in allowing religions to continue. As most non-believers I know, I was raised in a christian family and turned away from that cult when I realized how insane and foolish it really was.
Eric L Foster said,”We are all indoctrinated into something”
Oh boy… I hope Phil Vischer and Mike Narwocki weren’t offended by those clips… they’re so friggin’ hilarious!!
i love the way spongebob laughs, he is really very cheesy.–
i also tought that Spongebob is gay, he he he but he is very funny ‘
Don’t really see any problem with Veggie Tales. I watch it with my little nephews and niece. It’s a cute show. -Shrugs.-
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I still don’t see what Vegetables has to do with Christianity.
I don’t know what kind of Christians you guys have run into, but I can honestly say that when I was first born again, I had an issue with every sinner and believed they will all go to hell, but as my faith grew, I realized that Christians are supposed to love and not discriminate. I have sinned far worse than most people but G_d has a plan for me and He loves me a lot and as a result, I want to love others. I don’t know if you have an issue more with G_d or rather people claiming to be Christian and not acting like a true Christian. I am not the best Christian out there, but I’m trying to be the best I can be and not offend anybody. If you guys want to discuss why you don’t believe, I’ll be happy to talk but I don’t mean to push my faith on anybody or upset any of you. May all of your lives be loving and happy despite your beliefs.
Matt, it is stupid to believe in Christianity in this day and age. We know better now than the many ignorant people who wrote the bible.
The “best” Christian is one that has given up their idiotic beliefs in the divinity of Jesus and other tooth fairy -like stuff in other words, not a Christian.
To help clear your sick brain of your Christian delusions, ask yourself how it is that your omnipotent being, your “god”, couldn’t do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla. And then ask yourself how Jesus’ death was a “sacrifice”, when a truly omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of its fingers. Pretty pathetic “god” that you’ve made for yourself there.
Your beliefs are stupid, and demonstrate your ignorance. Get over them to get better.
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