Here are the ReligiousFreaks.com words of wisdom for the day:
If you’re a Christian and wake up one morning in Rajasthan India, RUN!!! Planes trains and automobile that sh*t. Do whatever you need to do to get as far away from that place as possible.
If you don’t, you’re going to be at the business end of some iron rods as was the case with Pastor Reginald Howell of Good Shepherd Community Church. Pastor Howell was beat down last week by iron rod wielding Hindu extremists during a prayer meeting with a group of disabled people. Yes it gets worse. The Pastor managed to make his way to a local hospital where he was promptly refused treatment. Yes, it still gets worse. Police then refused to file his report about the incident. And for the grand finale, they forced him to leave the State.
Rajasthan India, if you haven’t already noticed, is extremely intolerant towards non-Hindus. In 2006 they passed a law permitting “all use of force to prevent conversions.” On top of that there’s a penalty of up to five years for those found guilty.
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Religion breeds intolerance. If you get a group of people believing they know the way or have been shown the path, then automatically al who don’t follow that way are wrong. It’s just a short step from saying any outgroup is wrong to helping them on their way to their damnation…..
hAHA!
Fuckin awesome, I for one think all governments’ should adopt this law; if you advertise or try to convert my citizens, I get to beat you to deal with an iron rod. (I’d use a dildo personally)
It’d be like enforcement for the first amendmant. :D
The thing is Shaze, I doubt they have a problem with people trying to convert that priest to Hinduism.
Pathetic subhumanoids.
So what? I wouldn’t have a problem with someone converting people to Atheism in Canada.
Shaze, I am a bit disappointed to see your response, even if it is in jest. I feel sorry for the poor guy, and think what they did is wrong. The guy is a moron for being there and trying to convert those people, but he should be pitied for his stupidity instead.
I agree with Shaze, just look at Japan. The emperor prohibited Christianity and expelled Jesuit missionaries from Japan in 1587.
“observe both Shinto and Buddhist 84%, other 16% (including Christian 0.7%)”
0.7%!
well yeh, there was a test, christianity over took a minor island, he feared it’d do the same to his country. not to defend it, but it’s not for religious reasons he persecuted them by mandate.
Bunch of ignorant, tiny d*cked, HSBC call-in-center, mother-fu*king, crazy *ss, dumb, fu*k-faces!!!!!
Christ, I haven’t cursed that much since I lit my thumb on fire!!
That is a lot of cursing. Well said!
Nah – I work with lots of out-sourcing firms, the guys and gals who work there are really modern – which is to say, they just worship at the alter of corporate greed like the rest of modern society.
Besides – don’t be racist. It’s un-american. At least on paper – that really old one that your president seems to have forgotten about. And that would make you Gabriel-Un-American, which is a really sucky sig, so you are better off not doing it :)
P.S. no qualms with the rest of your rant tho, I agree, good cursing!
@Recovered Catholic: “And that would make you Gabriel-Un-American”
I think anything that is “american” these days is “unamerican”. I mean the people who wrote down the declaration of independance would be appalled by the idea of god having any thing to do with the state. they didn’t believe in god or they took and Einsteinian view that god was like the embodiment of the universe but never the bibilical god (correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that religous people hated Einstein whilst alive but conveniently claimed him when his genius was appreciated). The US was at one stage the shinning light of the en”light”enment. Not that that was the best we should aspire to…. Sadly the US now does what the pathetic terrorists do, and use the terrorists as an excuse to exercise its rediculous power. And they do it in the name of god, just like the terrorists…..
Not that I am defending the events that took place but there are a couple of things you should know before trashing Hindus
- Hinduism is the only religion in the world where you can be a Hindu Atheist – ponder that for a bit – you can be a practicing Hindu and an Atheist – read up on that.
- Christian missionaries have a long history of forcing conversions in India. First with a gun and these days with financial incentives. “Are you dying of TB, well just accept Jesus as your lord and savior and let me baptize you and then you can have the medicine ok?”
- You can’t convert into Hinduism. Its one of the few religions of the world that does not advocate missionary activities and try to gain followers (1 billion + seems to be enough). Either you are born a Hindu or not.
So while I appreciate the debate and news on this site, some of you seem pretty ignorant of the theistic and atheistic world outside the US of A.
Hello Jedick,
“- Hinduism is the only religion in the world where you can be a Hindu Atheist”
You missed Judaism. One can be a Jewish atheist.
“- Christian missionaries have a long history of forcing conversions in India.”
All I can really say to this is ‘so what?’ As abhorrent as forced conversion are, it doesn’t justify the behavior.
“- You can’t convert into Hinduism. Its one of the few religions of the world that does not advocate missionary activities and try to gain followers (1 billion + seems to be enough). Either you are born a Hindu or not.”
I’ve always been a fan of the non-evangelical practice of Hinduism, though it can cause other problems, but your statement isn’t entirely accurate. ‘Conversion’ is a foreign concept to Hinduism. Conversion to that religion is either possible or impossible, depending on which Hindu you ask. Here is an interesting webpage about this topic.
“So while I appreciate the debate and news on this site, some of you seem pretty ignorant of the theistic and atheistic world outside the US of A.”
Yup. Mostly because we have the Judea-Christian religions shoved down our throats since childhood. We are purposely not taught about other religions so that we are not aware that there other options available to us. I have taken a number of college courses on other cultures and religions, including a course on India, but even these pale in comparison to my exposure to Christianity.
Worse yet, I seem to be one of the better educated Americans about Hinduism even though I know very little. My Hindu coworker was shocked that I recognized two of her gods she had displayed at her desk (I didn’t recognize the other two).
My mind is boggled beyond words by this. The initial reaction is violent rage at the intolerance. Then my brain goes to my own wish to beat those asshats knocking on my door at 8am on Saturday with steel rods. The only cure for religion is an ability to recognize fact from delusion. The problem is when most theists see evidence that counters the existence of a God or some other tenant of their faith, they deny the fact, not the faith.
My wife is agnostic with more theist than atheist leanings. We had a chat last night and she asked if I believed our twins we lost two years ago were in Heaven. I said there needed to be a heaven for that to happen and I don’t believe there is. She started crying and saying she felt sorry for me.
I felt similar pains as I watched my own faith die but coming out the other side I feel free now. There is not the burden of trying to reconcile an illogical and irrational doctrine to my scientific view of the world. I guess most people aren’t ready to face life without their delusion of God. So how do we deal with idiocy? I wish there was more we could do than just point it out, but then we would be forcing our own beliefs on them, making us no better. It is all very frustrating.
I wasn’t bashing Hindus, I was moved to curse the freaks in that story. To my mind, the fact that they’re Hindus is only an aside. Reigious freaks, they’re everywhere ignorance is found.
Thanks for the clarification sidfaiwu. Again I would like to reiterate that I am in no way condoning what happened, just trying to add some context. As you can probably tell I grew up in India but despite all the religions there, nothing was ever shoved down my throat.
I went to a Jesuit run school and we had a hymn book which we sang from every morning. It had some Christian hymns and also a whole lot of Hindu Shlokas as well as some Buddhist, Sikh, Muslim and Jain verses. There were children from all of these religions at my school but the really nice thing was that nobody seemed to care. The Jesuit priest would lead us all in singing the Gayatri Mantra (a Hindu hymn) invocation in full cassock and robe with a cross dangling from his neck.
This is not to say that people in India are not religious. They all are and have very strongly held beliefs but they’ve also learned over the last 2000 years to get along with all the other religions. Sure there have been conflicts and riots and bloodshed but no more than you’d expect when you put more than a billion people (many in serious poverty) in close proximity with each other. In fact its a miracle that India is by and large peaceful and religious violence is a rare exception.
@Jedick: You make a great point. I think sometimes we miss that context, that we are talking about one of the most heavily populated nations on earth, with a diverse religious background, and there have been few instances like this. I would postulate that the Hindus we are speaking of here are simply responding violently to the sometimes violent Christian and Islamic intrusions into their faith.
I just wish there was a magic pill to cure the disease of faith entirely. It cripples the minds of its carriers and in extreme cases results in violence and death.
DeusExMichael
“My wife is agnostic with more theist than atheist leanings. We had a chat last night and she asked if I believed our twins we lost two years ago were in Heaven. I said there needed to be a heaven for that to happen and I don’t believe there is. She started crying and saying she felt sorry for me.”
Damn, that’s hard, I’ve had a similar conversation with my wife, who is Christian and hardcore about it, but it was only hypothetical in nature. She cried as well to my answer. The heaven pleasure crux is central to the all the Abramhamic religions and there is a huge emotional attachment to the notion of seeing one’s lost loved ones.
Sorry on your loss.
Thank you bloody_peasant. It was hard for me to overcome that heaven/hell crutch. I just wish I could truly share the freedom this has brought me with her and it saddens me that I can’t.
DeusExMichael ” I just wish I could truly share the freedom this has brought me with her and it saddens me that I can’t.”
That’s tough man, overcoming ignorance and well programmed beliefs in a loved one.
Sorry for your loss too.
Thanks Skids.
rajastan fought islam and christian agression for 1000 years. do you think rajastanis will stay quiet when they observed the christians looted them for 500 years.
when the islam looted raped and mas killed hindus for 1000 years.
rajastanis are inteligent. rajastanis knows these are the poeople who got raped by eropean christians to convert in christianity in the past 1000 years.
now those hindus who lost battle and got converted are coming back to us and behaving clean infront of us.
rajastanis are very good.
they are only fighting the real enemy.
it is in their bood. it is in their soul it is all over history
and hindus believe in reincarnation. one who did not finish the karma will come back.
those karma of 1000 year history is not finished .
some are paying back some are waiting list.
those christian preachers are on waiting list
om shanti
Stop this blaming on each other religion
You know something
The world is going to end
and the new world will be form
if you need a valid entry pass
Just do good deeds
and love to our father who is constantly watching us our performing duties.
Om shanti
Pastor Reginald Howell of the Good Shepherd Community Church should have stayed at home!
I’m not going to say he deserved it, but one thing I will say is that some Christian people are extremely annoying and nosy. Why do they feel the urge to go into such places where there are no (or hardly any) Christians or any Christian influence, and try to convert as many people as possible???? Can’t they just sit in their own land / country and enjoy themselves and their faith, instead of making it a priority to go around the world preaching the bible to people who are not Christian???? They are just like Jehovahs witnesses who knock around doors and harrass you.
ALSO, WHY THE HELL ARE THERE MISSIONARIES IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW???? ALL THIS DOES IS FUEL THE HATRED AGAINST THEM BY ISLAMISTS!!! JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER NEW FOLLOWERS!! AND THEN THEY BLAME OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS FOR JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE THEIR FAITH!! OF COURSE THEY WILL ATTACK YOU MORONS, THEY SEE YOU AS A THREAT!!
WHY IS USA ATTACKING ISLAMIC “TERRORISTS”?? BECAUSE THEY SEE THEM AS A THREAT TO THEIR BELIEFS OF “FREEDOM” AND FREE WILL!! SIMILARLY!! OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS WILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS TO CHRISTIANS UNTIL THEY STOP TRYING TO CONVERT PEOPLE! BECAUSE THEY SEE CHRISTIANS AS A THREAT TO THEIR RELIGION AND CULTURE.
Its as simple as that.
does it really make a difference if your dot on your head is small or really big? does it make you big or small in your faith, but I can show that it makes no difference.
I feel pity to see this foolish people reacting aganist christians to please there higher caste brahmins it is not eaxctly there are doing it is been done by money and other incentives .If christians react who are the rulers of this world rajasthan will turn from desert to volcano.If christians looted this country from 500 years what this 1 crore hindu gods are doing, enjoying the celebacy christiand are the one who united this country they never divided like hindus done from thousands of years
I want to point out that if a muslim goes to preach the Quran somewher in rular America he would not last a day. A punjabi man was shot to death in Texas in 2001 for looking like a muslim. Why haven’t written anything about that?
Hinduism is a cool religion that is also oriented towards peace and prosperity.”,`
There are no cool religions. Beating with an iron rod is not cool. Learn to live free of religion. You’ll help make the world a better, less violent place.
Hinduism is also a religion of peace and it is also full of wisdom just like any other religion~~~
hinduism is a good religion, my father is hindu and also my mother -*:
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Most of the books are in english, tstnrlaaed by christians or christian funded missionaries..Even the Neutral ones does not get the gist of hindu religion..so its better to know hinduism from sanskrit than reading encyclopedias in english and other languages..
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