It’s been a while since we’ve done a little questions and answers session with a reader so let’s have at it.
I’ve been talking with Bridgett recently, one of our regular readers who you may recognize as deletedsoul. She was kind enough to share her evangelical childhood experiences with me. It’s very well written and insightful. I promptly asked if she’d be interested in sharing it with the world. She agreed with hopes that it might shed some light on the evangelical lifestyle and it’s effects on her.
Here’s a sample taken from her blog entry. If you find it interesting, please read the entire post at her site. Once you’re done please ask Bridgett any questions you’d like in the comments section here. I’ll pass them off to her this weekend and provide you with the answers once I receive them.
There is only one rule. Keep the questions and comments on track and pertinent to the topic (no flaming evangelicals). Bridgett was kind enough to let us in to her life, so please show her the respect that she deserves.
Me at 17–deletedsoul:
At 17 I was immersed in “church life”, fighting with my parents and many issues at home, yet still trying to live up to the expectations that they held for me. I wasn’t expected to get a college degree, I wasn’t even fully expected to find a husband and start a family. No…the expectation…the requirement…was that I would remain a steadfast, semi-fanatical, non-questioning, devout, spiritual “Christian”. Granted, I had my moments of rebellion growing up, but I never slipped out of the house late at night, I never smoked, never drank or did any drugs. The closest thing to sex was stolen kisses behind the church or a naughty late night chat session (once I finally had internet access). No, I was a good kid, as far as appearances go. I had to appear meek and devout, innocent and un-tainted.
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Ally thanks for providing what D could not for some reason. A biblical basis for assuming all animals had the teeth of herbivores. Not sure what the point of the rest of your post is since it seems to be saying that animals with either kind of teeth will eat food appropriate to the other kind of teeth, so there is no reason to assume god changed the teeth, but I don’t care either; I’ve seen enough of this conversation. It’s typically pointless. The only believer I have encountered on this site that I can feel any kind of respect for is Muslim woman. At least she thinks and is honest about her conclusions and willing to consider other sides of questions. So, so long, D. Watch out for that flying slobber, OK?
Regarding post 50, so then do you think that tyrannosaurus rex and many, many other well-established carnivorous creatures lived after this “fall” that you postulate, and then, did that fall come before the cretaceous period?
How long ago do you really think such a “fall” happened? And how is it that your omnipotent, omni-benevolent god was powerless to prevent such a “cursed” outcome?
Yet again, the Christian creation tales grow stranger and more incredible as the believers twist and stretch them in vain attempts to fit an unyielding reality.
Religion is ridiculous.
Korgan i already gave you reading on some of those topics and you don’t read them!
This is only a partial truth;
this text left out the Omnivore, Fungivore, Bacterivore to name the most common classes. But there is also Coprophagy, Detritivore, Geophagy, Osteophagy and Scavenger.
The simplification in the quote is, if not outright deception, a slanted view of the truth. A slant which can be exploited in many ways.
The genesis claim is based on a particular translation, on particular version of a bible and on which language you use.
For example by using the Vulgate bible the same verse translated from Latin is as follows;
actually paints a more modern picture of the eating habits of various animals. Where there is life, you can devour it. Not particularly discriminating, eh?
Also there is a problem in regards where does bible tell of the partial re-creation all the sudden?
The problem of biblical information remain, which version one is to trust?
Regarding post 50, so then do you think that tyrannosaurus rex and many, many other well-established carnivorous creatures lived after this “fall” that you postulate, and then, did that fall come before the cretaceous period?
How long ago do you really think such a “fall” happened? And how is it that your omnipotent, omni-benevolent god was powerless to prevent such a “cursed” outcome?
Yet again, the Christian creation tales grow stranger and more incredible as the believers twist and stretch them in vain attempts to fit an unyielding reality.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Hi, Ally from May 3rd, 2009
With all due respect, why should I care what is in the Bible? When I wrote my response, I didn’t even mention the Bible.
Many people throughout the world live lives happily untouched by the Bible. And thus, your quotes from Mat 5:45 & Hbr 11:6 have no effect on me as well. Are we non-Christians supposed to go, “Ah-ha! I should’ve known. Now, I believe.” just because you sprinkle them in your response?
Actually, I have read the Bible in its entirety, found it to be an interesting, but uneven read. I am aware that Jews like Job thousands of years ago had similar problems that all people have faced, except car accidents as in my example. How is the Bible unique in this respect? Most literature, if not all literature catalogs the struggles of being human.
Here’s a random quote from a book I just threw open:
Chapter 9, p. 62: “Nakedness dreams are very common.” A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley. Analyze that. I am aware that nakedness also appears in Genesis, so perhaps this quote will strike a chord with you.
I’m not arguing the Bible’s authenticity or factual content. However, since you brought it up, I must say that the Bible doesn’t hold any relevance for a lot of people–billions of people. If it does for you, that’s your choice.
All I was saying is that many people on earth live meaningful, challenging lives without Christianity, the Bible or religion period. You would not be able to pick us out of a line-up unless we were to actually mention our lack of religion. We are your neighbors. We might even be people attending the same church as you, but have not made the great leap of faith away from your church. Someday, if you’re lucky, you will be looking at one of us in the mirror.
Peace,
Marie
FYI, Korgan & Rucker – thanks for your support & I enjoyed your expanding to my argument.
To Korgan & Rucker, thanks for all your responses to Christians who throw out Biblical quotes like a ball machine at a batting cage. Those quotes have no meaning if you don’t believe the relevance of the Bible.
What I find interesting is that many of the christians spouting verses are actually spouting the opinions of other people of which they have read or heard. They do not seem to have any real personal opinions in regards of what they try to hand off as true meaning of a verse.
If you have no own opinion of an issue, then do you really have any validity or even reason to discuss of the issue?
Re Post 58
That is true, but the bible is NOT the matter of a “personal OPINION” —> 2 Peter 1:20 “Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.”
The bible is a revelation from God and it should be it’s own interpreter.
1 Corinthians 2:13, “Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth: comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” See also Isaiah 28:9, 10.
God has to teach a person the scripture —–> Luke 24:45.—-> 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Regular SKEPTICS ain’t gonna understand it! —-> “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)
Yuh need the holy spirit to understand the bible because it was the holy spirit that inspired men to write it!—-> Proverbs 1:23. “Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.”
2 Peter 1:21 “For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
John 16:13 when he says, “Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Though God’s truth is absolute, for FINITE beings it is progressive John 7:17 “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” John 16:12 says, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.” One has to follow the truth they already know and God then gives them More if one doesn’t follow what they know then they can ultimately be lost ——> John 12:35 “Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.”
A lot of people who put PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS to scripture get themselves and others into trouble. ——>
2 Peter 3:15, 16 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE WREST, AS THEY DO ALSO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.
For instance, the church during the dark ages, Jim Jones, David Koresh etc. That is why it is important for each individual to know what the bible teaches for themselves, so false teachers and churches CANNOT lead them astray!
Those of you who have FAITH in the eviloutionists this verse is for you —->
2 Timothy 3:7 (King James Version)
7Ever learning, and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I wish you well Marie :)
Regarding absurd statements by creationists rejecting evolution such as in post 59, it has to be noted yet again that the mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism.
Ally, do you deny the existence of such fossils? (Yes or no answer is appropriate; we get tired of your lengthy spew from your book of horrors bible.)
Religion is ridiculous.
“Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
The bible is a revelation from God and it should be it’s own interpreter.”
LOL!
So I guess you’ll be the first to stone your children to death in line with the instructions quite clearly set out in Leviticus?
All religions with ‘sacred texts’ are open to interpretation, otherwise there wouldnt be so many schisms.
The Inquisition was inspired by text found in the bible – lovely!
But you do not even do what others do. You recite verse after verse. You spout scripture that most of us have read and know of but you do not offer anything else but text that is already known.
But you do bring out a point
Making me ask you these questions, why do you keep reciting verses if you know we cannot understand it? If you know that each individual must learn oneself what bible says, then why you throw out snippets constantly?
Do you see the corner you painted yourself into?
jag said:- “But you do not even do what others do. You recite verse after verse. You spout scripture that most of us have read and know of but you do not offer anything else but text that is already known.”
jag!! that is not true! when I do give texts i generally give ILLUSTRATIONS and you all IGNORE them (I guess it’s the tunnel vision they tend to train atheists with in the secular schools but thank God, try as they may, MOST people do NOT convert to atheism :D).
Yes jag you all KNOW OF the verses and you all WREST it out of context and that is dangerous.
For instance: when the pagans used to torture Christians in the arenas during the dark ages, in order to JUSTIFY it, they said that the Christians were cannibals.Jesus had said that the communion bread represented His body and the wine (UNFERMENTED grape juice) represented His blood and the Christian was to eat the bread and drink the wine as a symbol of the Christian’s acceptance of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. [See Matthew 26:26-29] Atheists might think they are not capable of such things as torturing Christians in arenas, but you never know.
Do you now see how dangerous it is to WREST the scriptures out of context? As pagan Rome transitioned to Papal Rome, they still wrested the scriptures out of context so that they can be in CONTROL. The Church DID not get the instructions from God’s word! they proceeded to take a prerogative that belongs to God alone, upon themselves whereas the bible teaches Separation of Church and state! Meaning that each person should follow God or NOT follow God, based on the dictates of their conscience and No Man should infringe upon the rights of another.We should LOVE people into the church by being good examples ourselves; that was Jesus’ method! :).
jag said :- “Making me ask you these questions, why do you keep reciting verses if you know we cannot understand it?”
LOL. I’m kinda hoping that some of you would lose your tunnel vision and let the Holy Spirit work on you so that you would be able to discern the truth from God’s word. I told you all when an atheist recognizes the gems contained in the Bible, WOW! :D
I also told you we do like you all and we don’t wanna see you all losing out on ETERNITY because of unbelief :)
Ally, enough of your horrid spew. Answer the question:
The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Hi, again, Ally,
In post 59, in response to Jagannath 58, you write “Do you now see how dangerous it is to WREST the scriptures out of context?.” But this is exactly what you are doing. You are taking quotes out of the Bible and sprinkling them to and fro as if they were freshly ground pepper over a spiritual pasta dish. What you are doing is the very definition of “wresting the scriptures out of context.” The context is the Bible.
I’m not going to argue the content of the Bible, only the fact that your constant Bible quotes amount to jibberish and are irrelevant to non-Christians. Even if I were to take quotes out of the Bible to prove you are wrong, I would not do it because I don’t believe that the Bible is the source of unique truth anyway. Most of us have heard these quotes over and over again. It’s pretty easy to locate a quote online just to prove just about any point. Are you trying to convince us to believe as you do because you quote a lot? It just isn’t working. While I don’t want to encourage you, if you were to try a different conversion tactic it might add variety to your posts.
Sigh. I’m tired & I’m signing off to go to bed. Nighty night, Ally, you need a little rest too!
Marie
I have to note the extreme hypocrisy in Ally’s accusations of “tunnel vision”. Ally, you are the one who is predominantly citing a single, very flawed (and very horrid) reference as the only thing that “backs up” your specious claims. Most of the readership here has read your reference stories from the Christian book of horrors, but you don’t seem to have read much outside of it.
Step outside your tunnel and read a biology textbook for a change, even an introductory text on evolution. What Evolution Is, by the great Ernst Mayr, would be a good start. You might enlighten yourself.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
So, pagans used rumors to justify killing christians. Newsflash, they would have used any cause, even the fact that christians were atheists towards roman gods as cause to throw them to the arena. It had nothing to do with the faith but of the societal troubles christians caused by their peculiar demands of selling all and giving it to the church. There was lots of reasons for the romans to want the new cult out as they refused to follow the law.
So you claim to have the perfect, inerrant knowledge of the god’s will and of the meaning of the bible. No one else can understand it differently?
If you give illustrations and those are ignored, could it be that your interpretation is not accepted. Perhaps you offer a version of a bible that is as detestable as those who came before you? Perhaps your version of the bible is the false one as it is not accepted.
And bible is used to justify just about anything, by the christians. It is your holy book, no one else uses it as a justification. I use it mainly as a representing sample of the trouble christianity can cause. AS how it is interpreted by christians to mean what they find suitable to them, not as what is written.
If you say that you cannot take bible as written then you say it is not inerrant. If you say that one needs to be filled with holy spirit to understand it, then you say bible is not inerrant word of god as you need translation and interpretations aid.
I opened the bible and picked a verse, tell me where I twist the meaning and wrest it out of the context.
Prince of peace made a whip with metal pieces tied to the leather thongs and used it as a weapon to drive away the people in the temple. Scourge being the same weapon which was later used upon him prior crucifixion.
He attacked people who were granted place by the temple by the authority in charge. Even if later he would claim that one should give Cesar what is Cesar’s thus showing that laws were meaningless to him, unless he would be able to use them into his own ends.
In summary a supposedly peaceful and loving man caused monetary damages to the people, inflicted physical injury and caused civil unrest. These were acts of a violent, bigoted and anarchistic man, who had no respect for fellow man nor to the law.
But to crush your hopes I say this to you;
so there you have it, I am now irredeemable. Anything you do or say in an attempt to save me is a direct act against the will of god. Mark 3:29
Hey jag! are you mad at me? :( I kinda got that impression from your last post, I hope you’re not you know? I hope we’re still friends :)
You said:- “So, pagans used rumors to justify killing Christians. Newsflash, they would have used any cause,…”
jag? i said “for instance”, just to show “AN example” of how humans like to rationalize just about anything so they could do what they want to do! and yes EVEN CHRISTIANS!!!! People are evil, ALL people are sinners [that's why we NEED GOD to direct us! :)] Believe you me jag, if the 10 commandments are kept because of love to God, we would have NO trouble (sin).
You said:- “It had nothing to do with the faith but of the societal troubles Christians caused by their peculiar demands of selling all and giving it to the church. ”
I did say before, that the devil is behind all the evil in this world and you do not believe that he exists; that’s a big mistake man. That fiend is incredibly crafty, totally, totally diabolical and bent on destroying all humans if he could. He uses any means necessary, even if it’s PRETENDING to be an “angel of light”. Meaning, he would cloak his devices in religious garbs; even Hitler used that tactic!
There are demons working behind the scenes enticing people to do wrong — see Ephesians 6:12
These demons PRETEND to be angels of light in order to deceive people — see 2 Corinthians 11:13,14
Atheists always seem to “marvel” at what people do in the name of God but the bible shows all of those things did happen and will happen until Jesus returns. He says He (God) will separate the sheep from the goats; the wheat from the tares etc. God KNOWS who the genuine articles are and will be :)
I had said :- “when the pagans used to torture Christians in the arenas during the dark ages, in order to JUSTIFY it they said that the Christians were cannibals. ”
Correction, it was prior to the dark ages and NOT during. And yes the bible shows the struggles of the church. The disciples (except for John) were martyred. Satan was sure mad and was attacking the church left and right. Christ DEFEATED him! LOL. In The OT some of the prophets were martyred too. I mean, the first murder ever was over worship and the devil instigated it!
You said:-”So you claim to have the perfect, inerrant knowledge of the god’s will and of the meaning of the bible. No one else can understand it differently?”
It seems you misconstrued what i wrote. I said the bible is its own interpreter and the Holy Spirit helps man(generic term) to understand. For example, the bible teaches that when people are dead they go back to the ground, they are not some disembodied souls floating around, humans do not have immortality. That teaching is consistent in the bible and yet a lot of Christians believe that the dead can contact them or are in heaven looking down at us or that evil humans are in hell. The bible shows that hell does not exist yet and would not exist until 1000 years after Jesus returns. One finds answers to doctrines such as these by comparing scripture with scripture and letting the bible tell you what it means and not just the idea of some pastor or priest. Eg. purgatory is mythology from the pagans it is NOT a biblical teaching. When people do not check what the bible says against what a pastor or priest etc. teaches, they can very easily be deceived! When a person is SINCERELY seeking truth the holy spirit helps them understand more and more. Of course only God knows how fast of a pace the seeker or believer can assimilate what truths are presented. God does not give us too much at once or we may get overwhelmed.
You said:- ”
If you give illustrations and those are ignored, could it be that your interpretation is not accepted. Perhaps you offer a version of a bible that is as detestable as those who came before you? Perhaps your version of the bible is the false one as it is not accepted.”
Well i already said that the bible is its own interpreter, and maybe it is ignored because it actually make some sense to some of you. Oh, come on jag, ALL humans have a yearning for God because He made us that way that’s why most people worship some type of god and atheists worship their own brain or Richard Dawkins etc. :P
Secularists worship American IDOLS etc.(BTW a lot of secularists (and even church folk) believe in a god but they don’t know what the bible teaches or have a personal walk with God and that’s where the herd mentality gets developed. False teachers could tell them anything and they believe it. They believe in statues drinking milk or weeping tears of blood or olive oil etc. and the bible WARNS people about these things!
You said:- “And bible is used to justify just about anything, by the christians.”
I have never disputed this. However, God does have genuine people scattered amongst all people groups [even amongst atheists ;)] Each human is responsible for their own salvation and should not base what God teaches by the actions of erring humans.Oh jag i admonish you, read the bible and do like what the apostle Paul told the pagans to do, talk to the UNKNOWN God, ask Him to teach you truth. If you are sincere, He will answer that prayer :)
Jag!!! you sure are good at deliberately wresting the scriptures out of context.:)
In John 2:15, yeah he made a scourge out of SMALL CORDS and it DIDN’T say He scourged them. I kinda picture He was similar to you know that snoopy cartoon? well that kid with the blanket who chases people away by whipping the blanket at them and saying back! back! back! :D
Also, when you look at the other gospels which COMPLEMENT each other, you see that right after Jesus chased out the moneychangers, He healed people and the children came to Him (see Matt. 21:12; Mark 11:15; Luke 19:45). People would not have come to a mad man. (My Jesus is gentle, only people bent on evil are bothered by Him or people who MISUNDERSTAND Him). Jesus also instructed/s His people to obey the 10 commandments and to obey the civil laws of the societies in which they live in, as long as those laws do not go against The 10 commandments.
Anyway, the theme in the bible is, we are sinners, we deserve death, God is loving and GRACIOUS, He would take us back through faith and once we abide in His word. Until the end of this world there will be conflict between people who love and obey God and people who obey the devil. Genesis 3:15 shows the conflict and the entire bible enlarges on that theme.
You said:- “I deny the holy spirit
so there you have it, I am now irredeemable. Anything you do or say in an attempt to save me is a direct act against the will of god. Mark 3:29″
There you go again jag, wresting the scripture out of context. That text is talking about the UNPARDONABLE sin. Generally, people who commit that are not even aware that they committed it. Besides, there is no mark of Cain upon you ;)
Also, God is not willing that any should perish 2 Peter 3:9. God loves you jag and He WANTS to save you. So i am NOT going against God’s will ;)
PS Yeah Korgan, another lengthy Ally spew :D
If stating what happened is wresting things out of context then the question of what is your context
Jesus made a whip used for torture, where I twist the words?
Jesus drove people and animals forcibly out, where I twist the words?
He caused monetary damages to the people, where I twist the words?
He destroyed property, where I twist the words?
So, Jesus made a weapon, attacked people and animals, caused civil disturbance, monetary damages, property damages, where I twist the words? That is what happens in that verse.
-Are those acts peaceful?
-Are those acts lawful?
-Do you support random assaults on unknown people?
-Do you support breaking the property of some passerby?
-Do you support random animal cruelty?
-Do you support stealing?
-How you can support any of the above acts?
How these acts can be justified to be acts of a peaceful, loving man and not as acts of violent, belligerent person who has not respect to law and order?
The word used for the weapon used by the romans on jesus and the weapon used by jesus is the one and the same. Even allowing the fact that romans had refined their scourge to be as efficient as possible and jesus had diy-version, that has little effect on the intent, even if it would be only made of cords. Actually even if it would have been made of strings of wool, it makes no difference.
There is clear depiction of intent to cause harm, premeditated harm as if you go out to find the materials, you fashion the scourge and then assaulted the people who break no laws. People who are peaceful and obedient to the laws in effect.
It does not matter if he healed them after-wards as that does not negate the original act, merely alleviates the physical injuries caused.
If someone plans to kills a neighbor and kills him. But after checking he really is dead decides to resuscitate him so that his heart starts to work again and he can be saved by doctors.
-Does that mean he did no harm?
-Is the original act negated by following act?
-Did he not commit murder?
You can try to sugarcoat it as much as you want but jesus has been depicted as highly irrational person in the bible.
Sane person does not go out and curse a fig tree which has no figs, because it is not the season.
Sane person does not condemn entire cities just because he was unable to make them to listen to him.
But the lack of sanity of jesus is merely the fact that he is the god, who has been proven by the OT to be of highly dubious character making any human atrocities to be mere ill-willed jests.
As jesus also has no objection to the laws of OT and he endorses them and makes claims that he came with a sword because it is god speaking.
And denying holy spirit is unpardonable sin, which I have committed in text, and word according to your bible.
Denying the word of god is also a sin and you have gone against the inerrant word of god for many times already. You do realize that you are going more and more against the teachings of the bible and even your own claims as you keep writing.
If you say that bible does not mean this or that, then the question is why do you read it, if you have alternate meanings for just about everything in there? Write your own.
Anger? Come on, get off your prosecution horse and dreams of oppression. A friend? Friends do not appear out of nothing, friendship is forged with time and deeds.
You demean many worthy concepts by sprinkling them around like chaff. Words have a meaning if you know how to use them, but by inconsequential repetition you are turning concepts into idle chatter which makes the content worthless.
Ally, enough of your spew. Answer the question, one of many that you keep avoiding:
The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
And to bring back to light yet another Christian absurdity, one of so many that Ally is persistently avoiding:
Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 69, you claim that a devil coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).
Religion is ridiculous.
Oh jag, a human= a friend
All people are precious to God and therefore the Christian, we are all brothers and sisters or friends :)You seem to think i meant some sort of disrespect when i said i hope we are still friends; not so, Sir :) that was a casual way of me asking you if you were upset (snarky?) and i did not want you to feel that way OK?
Also, atheists do not understand the deep things in the bible; y’all are surface readers (No holy spirit guiding y’all). Thanks to Marie, i realize that what i have been writing is gibberish to you all. Actually the bible says that happens lol. In your responses you had seemed to have some knowledge about Christianity; i did not know you were just reading the texts and putting your own interpretation of them in order to debunk what Christians say as you basically admitted in your post :) Actually, it is good that you do not blindly listen to what someone says, but without God guiding you, you would misconstrue the scripture. And please do not follow Korgan and those other atheists who like to go to the skeptics annotated bible ws; those dudes over there are jokers and they have no idea what they’re talking about. Even a willing semi-illiterate person can gain insight into the bible once they are HUMBLE. It’s not about IQ but about I WILL! That book, although it was written by men, is inspired by God and it is supernatural.
This might be more gibberish to you all but i’m still going to write it :)
God shows mysteries to people who are OPEN minded about Him.
Mystery —- An idea hidden in the mind of God from eternity but revealed to human beings at the right time. see Rom. 16:25-27
If one reads Mark 4:11-12, one would see why people who are close minded about the bible would NOT understand it.
There are two Greek words in verse 12:-
1. hina = in order that; so that; with the result that; because; that is to say.
2.mepote = perhaps; lest; otherwise.
Here is Mark 4:11-12 in plain English :-
And He began to say to them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is in riddles, because (hina), Although they look, they look and do not see, and although they listen, they listen and do not understand, otherwise (mepote) they would turn and it would be forgiven them.”
A parable puts a choice before someone:- Would you listen; would you understand?
People who have willing hearts will hear and understand the parables and to those who are not willing to understand, it’s like gibberish.
John 2:15 (King James Version) says
15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;
and jag said:- “Prince of peace made a whip with metal pieces tied to the leather thongs and used it as a weapon to drive away the people in the temple. Scourge being the same weapon which was later used upon him prior crucifixion.
He attacked people who were granted place by the temple by the authority in charge. Even if later he would claim that one should give Cesar what is Cesar’s thus showing that laws were meaningless to him, unless he would be able to use them into his own ends.
In summary a supposedly peaceful and loving man caused monetary damages to the people, inflicted physical injury and caused civil unrest. These were acts of a violent, bigoted and anarchistic man, who had no respect for fellow man nor to the law.”
jag? you got all of that from one verse?! :O
Hmmmmmm, if we look at that verse OBJECTIVELY, we would see that it says that Jesus made a whip out of SMALL cords and He chased the moneychangers and their animals out of the temple.Then he overthrew the tables.
That verse did not say Jesus made a cat-o’-nine tails, it did not say He beat the people to a pulp, it did not say He hurt the animals or the people and it did not say He destroyed property!The only thing Jesus hurt was the pride of those GREEDY moneychangers and He interrupted the profits they were making from exploiting the people. People are watching too many Hollywood movies it would seem! But then again, not even the movies portrayed Jesus like that.
The bible contains a lot of historical information and if someone who is curious about why Jesus evicted the moneychangers by reading John 2:15, they would want to INVESTIGATE further in order to find out why a supposedly good man who claimed to be God incarnate, would do such a thing as get angry and chase people out of the temple.
If one would look into the historical facts (from history books and/or bible commentaries) and try to understand the customs of that day, they would get a clearer picture of what went on! Those moneychangers were robbing the people who were coming to the temple; they were selling the animals at EXORBITANT prices.
Here’s some info. on that ————->
http://www.biblehistory.net/Jesus_Cleansing_Temple.pdf
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The Bible doesn’t say there’s anything inherently wrong with paying taxes. Jesus had no quibble with paying the temple tax. Peter caught a fish with a coin in its mouth to pay the temple tax for himself and Jesus (Matthew 17:24-27).
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“Jesus’ behavior on this occasion – or on any other – is in no way comparable to:
men (or women) being physically abusive to their spouses, children, or others;
invading and occupying small weak nations for no reasons or for reasons only of ego and greed (as the Romans were doing in Judea and Galilee, …);
shooting, bombing, and torturing tens or hundreds of thousands of people to death or disability …;
lying about and misrepresenting some or all aspects of a situation in order to justify any of the above violent behaviors”
“JESUS DID NONE OF THOSE THINGS.
Using this incident in Jesus’ life to justify” [or accuse Him of instigating] ” the massive violence … (or any other misuse of force in our world) IGNORES what Jesus was really doing here.
He was physically expressing very appropriate outrage. He was not arresting, torturing, or killing anyone, neither the guilty parties nor innocent bystanders. He was expressing outrage at the misuse of religion in the service of greed, and at the abuse of the common people for the same purpose.
I have no doubt that God is outraged today with some American Christians for similar reasons.”
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jag, you do not understand what the unpardonable sin is.The unpardonable sin is when someone continually and persistently rejects the Holy Spirit. It’s when they grieve away the Holy Spirit. During Moses’ day, Pharaoh had committed that sin.
jag?! LOL Only God could decide when someone commits the unpardonable sin. No created being can judge/condemn another lol; not even their own self lol. But yeah, if someone does not want to hear about God they are entitled to that right and they probably wouldn’t come to sites like this one where discussions about God go on :)
To bring back to light yet another Christian absurdity, one of so many that Ally is persistently avoiding, once more in her latest lengthy and dishonest Allycrap spew:
Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 69, you claim that a devil coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).
Religion is ridiculous.
Ally, enough of your trademark Allycrap spew. Answer the question, one of many that you keep avoiding. Answer briefly, just yes or no:
The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Korgan, you’re like a record stuck in the groove; you keep asking the same questions over and over but i suspect you don’t even read the responses.
The devil is a created being and he IS going to die; he is NOT immortal. The devil and his minions had committed the unpardonable sin and hell is supposed to be for them [see Matthew 25:41; Matthew 8:29]. Any human that ends up in hell can only hold themself responsible because Jesus took the penalty that we deserve. We can have everlasting life because of Jesus :)
Korgan? let’s say you have 25 children so you’re their parent; a parent is supposed to be loving and caring and a parent is supposed to provide SAFETY for all their children right? So you have rules to ensure the safety of your children. Let’s say one of your children decided to break your rules and the minute they did, BAM!!!!!! you execute him or her! What do you think your other children would think of you; do you think they would obey the rules because they realize that you love them and want to protect them or do you think that they would obey you because they’re scared stiff that you’re gonna kill them? If the children are obedient to you because of FEAR, that won’t be any fun, not for you and certainly not for them!
Satan wanted to usurp God! and you atheists are echoing his lies: Oh we got this, we don’t need God, we don’t need religion! Well the people of the French Revolution said that too and they had their goddess of “Reason” and we all know where that went. The communists tried that too and where is communism today?! I have seen communists/atheists in Russia storming biblical meetings because they had been soooooo starved for God’s word. I looked at them kissing the free bibles that they got; they were laying on the grass outside and caressing those bibles :D Man! atheism does NOT work!!!!
If this world had only atheists, BOOM!!! the devil would destroy it completely or God may have to, depending on how depraved and wicked it is. So y’all better consider yourselves blessed because there are believers here (remember In Genesis 19, God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if there were 10 righteous in those cities; he would have spared the wicked because of the righteous. Well, he couldn’t even find 5 righteous in those cities and Lot and his daughters escaped by the skin of their teeth and we all know the influence those wicked cities had on those girls because look at what they did with their father, eeeeeeeeeew.
Anyways, if the devil didn’t entice Eve to sin maybe sin could have originated with Eve. When created beings break the rules of a perfect and loving God then disease and death and chaos ensues. God is giving Satan time to demonstrate what life apart from Him entails and eventually God will make things new again and there will never be pain or sorrow or death again :) see Rev.21:4
Now you’re gonna ask why did God create Lucifer if God knew Lucifer would become a devil huh? Well, that’s human thinking! An all powerful God is not gonna let some stubborn, self willed, idiotic creature stop Him from creating. God is LOVE and He creates beings to love and for Him to be loved by them. The opposite of love is not hate but selfishness and God has billions and billions of beings to love and they love, worship and ADORE Him. We are in the minor minority down here and God still puts up with us. I mean he could have said “Forget them!” but He didn’t because he L-O-V-E-S us :D Also, He provided a way out for us :)
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Korgan, i keep giving you all this book that addresses some of these questions and you don’t look at it apparently :) ——> http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC
Here’s ANOTHER excerpt from the book:-
“For obvious reasons God brought Adam and Eve into existence without their free consent. God in His freedom and sovereignty decided and proceeded to create them. Their freedom emerged after their creation in the form of the possibility of a choice. The choices at the disposal of Adam and Eve were not many—they had only two.
We find both of the choices that they confronted in the text we quoted above” [Genesis 2:16,17]. “A superficial reading may give the impression that the choices were either to eat or not to eat from the tree. But they were not really about eating although it did involve that. The narrative takes us to the very depth of the nature of human freedom and establishes that such freedom has to do with the most fundamental question a creature has to address— that of choosing life or death. The biblical writer is not telling us that the universe possesses two eternal antagonistic forces, namely the power of God as life and the power of someone or something else as death, and that we can select between them. The issues are much more complex.
Let me suggest for your consideration that what the text establishes is that only God is, and that apart from Him there is nothing else,but between being with God and not being. This makes absolute sense within the flow of the narrative. As already indicated, Adam and Eve came into being without giving them freedom to choose to be created or not. That was a logical impossibility. But now the Creator did offer them the freedom to choose existence or nonexistence, that is to say, to freely accept the gift of life or to go back to nothingness. God offered the options in the firm command, because the creator had a preference. He wanted them to select life, and therefore He emphasized as strongly as possible that if they opted for death He would honor their choice and that they would “surely die.”
Obviously , rejecting God’s gift of life would be to spurn Him, an act of rebellion, but He was willing to accept their decision. Since God’s intentions for humans was positive, it is difficult to imagine that Adam and Eve would have seriously considered the possibility of rejecting life. But the option was there—otherwise God would have enslaved them to live on a planet for ever without their consent. …”
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Hey! look at this question that someone asked this ex – atheist who is now a pastor —->
http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/BibleAnswersLiveQuestionArchive/tabid/212/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/731/MDID/2519/PID/1358/SID/13/SQT/1000/7/Why-didnt-God-forgive-Adam-and-Eve/Default.aspx
Re: Posts 61,65,67,71,76 etc.
OK Korgan, secularists and/or atheists tried to get me to swallow this evolution fiasco BEFORE I became a Christian and I didn’t buy it! I had not been a Christian for longer than I have been one and I NEVER bought into it and if any human is honest with themselves they know it does not make sense! Those eviloutionists are LIARS. Korgan’s spiritual boss (the devil), is behind the whole eviloutionary “THEORY” thing.
Korgan?! you have faith in a bunch of LIARS; it’s rather lucrative for them to LIE. They PRETEND that there’s no God so they won’t have to think about His justice. Even if one experiences a tragedy, one should logically become a deist and not an atheist. Personally, i think they should redefine the term atheist. An atheist is one who has their head stuck in the dirt and is pretending there is no God so that they can do what they wanna do and not think about the consequences :D [Sorry people, i gotta tell y'all like it is]
Anyways, here’s some info i came across :-
” The Neanderthals were people who lived in Europe several thousand years ago. Because of the bad climate back then, they had arthritis and rickets, but their brain capacities were larger than ours. That means that they were smarter than we are today!
For over a century, evolutionists have tried to find bones of ancient people who were half-ape and half-human. But all they have found is ape bones and human bones. Sometimes the bones have been mismatched (a human skull with an ape jaw, for example), in an effort to make it appear that we descended from apes.
In order to try to prove their point, the evolutionists always come along with only a few pieces of bones. Those pieces can be matched together in several different ways, in an effort to show a part-ape, part-human creature.
But that is not really honest, is it?
Did you know that—in over a hundred years of searching—the evolutionists have only brought forth enough special bones to fill a tabletop? And there are many questions about those special bones, too! Many scientists have declared certain bones to be only ape bones, only human bones, or outright fakes.
There is another odd fact about that tabletop of bones: They are claimed to be a million years old—yet were often found in damp areas, such as England, Europe, Java, or China. Everyone knows that, what you put in the ground, including bones—rots away within a century or so. There is no possible way that million-year-old bones could be found in those rainy areas.
Some of these fake and mismatched bones are called “Java Man,” “Piltdown Man,” “Rhodesian Man,” “Nebraska Man,” “Peking Man,” and “Nutcracker Man.” Some have complicated names to make them appear scientific, such as “Eoanthropus.” and “Australopithecines.” But do not let the big names fool you; they are not what the evolutionists claim for them.
One method used to produce “half-ape, half-human ancestors” Is to use the skulls of baby apes or very large monkeys. These look somewhat like (forgive me for saying it) the skulls of humans who are 13 to 16 years old. Another method is to stain the ape bones, so they will look more ancient.
A Orthodontist named Dr. Jack Cuozzo, used a special portable x-ray machine to examine skulls of ‘Neanderthals’ that evolutionist were claiming to be ape-men. He found some of them had been filed to change them; some had the jaws removed and then pushed forward to make it look ape-like and one skull actually had a bullet hole in it which had been hidden by the ‘scientists’ displaying it. He wrote a book about it called “Buried Alive” and you can buy it on the Internet.
Let us turn our attention to real bones and footprints of real ancient people. When we do, we find several interesting facts:
1 – They were fully human, No part-human, part-ape bones or tracks have been found, because none ever existed.
2 – Such bones and tracks have been found in deep strata, which the evolutionists declare to be millions of years old —far older than man is supposed to have existed. That tells us that the strata are not really ancient after all! People have only been on the earth for a few thousand years. Those supposedly million-year-old rock strata were really laid down by the waters of the Flood, which occurred about 2348 B.C.
3 – Human tracks have been found above by, and below dinosaur tracks! So people lived when the dinosaurs did.
4 – Human tracks have been found stepping on trilobites in the very lowest of the strata: the Cambrian. So humans have lived on earth as long as there has been life on our planet!
5 – Human remains and man-made objects have been found inside solid coal, which shows that coal is not ancient either.
It is an interesting fact that ancient man was more intelligent than we are today. We know this because their brain cases tended to be larger. But we also know it because their languages were far more complicated than ours today.
It is also an interesting fact that it is now known that nearly all the earliest examples of human activity not only began only a few thousand years ago—but also began in the Near East, where the people settled after coming out of the Ark, which rested among the Mountains of Ararat just north of there.”
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Here’s an Ex Atheist’s take on eviloution :) He said, yeah, the big bang happened; God spoke and it happened! rofl ——>
http://www.amazingfacts.org/Television/EverlastingGospel/EverlastingGospelSermons/tabid/285/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/414/MDID/1163/PID/406/SID/2/SQT/1000/7/Evolution-Creation-and-Logic/Default.aspx <—– Evolution Creation and logic
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Here’s even more info., on your “fossils of lineages of hominidae variants”; happy reading :)
http://creation.com/the-non-transitions-in-human-evolutionon-evolutionists-terms
http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j21_3/j21_3_118-127.pdf
To bring back to light yet another Christian absurdity, one of so many that Ally is still avoiding, once more in her latest lengthy and dishonest Allycrap spew:
Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 77, you still claim that a devil coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is simply absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away immediately with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Ally, enough of your lengthy spewing. Answer the question, one of many that you keep avoiding:
The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils? Yes or no?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Time for another response to yet more lengthy Allycrap regurgitation from the Christian book of horrors. The bible itself presents a rather different picture than the one that Ally chooses to believe. The real picture of Christianity is a horrid, murderous, racist, and sexist one.
In response to the latest Allycrap, here are just a few of the many guidances to murder and violence, and other horrors promoted by the Christian book of horrors also known as the bible:
# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.”
# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching.
# Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it.
# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.”
# “And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.”
# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
# God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.”
# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever.
Mark
# Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
# Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
# Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
# Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
# If you’re ashamed of Jesus, he’ll be ashamed of you. (And you’ll go straight to hell.) 8:38
# Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don’t will be damned. 16:16
Luke
# God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel’s words. 1:20
# Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 3:9
# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned “with fire unquenchable.” 3:17
# Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants “thrust down to hell” for not “receiving” his disciples. 10:10-15
# Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
# Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves “with many stripes.” 12:46-47
And that’s just to get started.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 77, you still claim that a devil coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is simply absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away immediately with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).
Ally told you exactly what you needed, but since you want more, here you go you spiritual bolemic. (feel free to puke it up when your done thinking about it)
Our Lord, and your Lord(yes, He is still your Lord whether you like it or not), does not choose to do immediately away with Satan. He *could* if He wanted to, but that is *not* His plan or His will. F.Y.I, man doesn’t suffer because of the devil, man suffers because of his own sin.
Parallel with God? Ha! Satan has no power compared to what God has! What power he does have may seem great to us, but to God, it’s nothing. Anyway, God is not Satan’s “good” counterpart, and Satan is not God’s “evil” counterpart. They are not equal, and in my opinion, they can not even be compared together. How can Satan be as powerful as God, if he can not defeat Michael the Archangel?
“Any human that ends up in hell can only hold themself responsible because Jesus took the penalty that we deserve. We can have everlasting life because of Jesus :)”
That………that makes me want to jump out of my seat and praise the Lord! One of the best statements i’ve seen on this website! Thats great! Thanks Ally, you made my day.
Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 81, you still claim that a devil, “Satan”, coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is simply absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away immediately with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
Again, here are just a few of the many guidances to murder and violence, and other horrors promoted by the Christian book of horrors also known as the bible, that D is unable to respond to in any meaningful way:
# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.”
# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching.
# Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it.
# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.”
# “And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.”
# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
# God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.”
# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever.
Mark
# Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
# Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
# Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
# Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
# If you’re ashamed of Jesus, he’ll be ashamed of you. (And you’ll go straight to hell.) 8:38
# Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don’t will be damned. 16:16
Luke
# God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel’s words. 1:20
# Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 3:9
# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned “with fire unquenchable.” 3:17
# Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants “thrust down to hell” for not “receiving” his disciples. 10:10-15
# Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
# Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves “with many stripes.” 12:46-47
And that’s just to get started.
Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.
Ally, regarding your earlier posts, just answer the question, one of many that you keep avoiding:
The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils? Yes or no?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
Apparently Satan has enough power to formulate a plan to try and overthrow God without his knowledge. Really now, if God knew Satan was going to betray him and take 1/3 of his angels with him why would God have created Lucifer in the first place?
I am prepared to suspend my disbelief to appreciate a very good indicate
Marc, why do you have a son, when you know he is going to screw up in life?
Why do you let him eat sweets when you know it will make him fat?
Why do you let him watch horror movies that will warp his mind?
Why do you let him climb trees, knowing that he will fall out once and hurt himself?
Why do you let your dog run around unfenced if there is a highway 2 blocks down?
And Korgan, once agian, relating to your fossil problems, I believe in the existence of those fossils. I merely disagree with your interpretation of their age, relevance and value.
Recent studies have shown that the earths crust moves in a sporadic pattern. Contradicting what everyone, even I believe. The crust is actually pushed up, while certain areas are reversed down, causing fossils and such that were actually recent, to be farther down in the earth. This is what allows you to find these fossils waaay underground in older soil, and as you base the date of the fossils on the items surrounding them, and the items on the fossils, you can see your flaw.
Just saying, this is not 100% correct, but it has high relevance. It is indeed happening, but to what extent is still being researched.
Sorry for digging up old comments, but I miss the old days here.
I believe I never can answer anything. The bible makes people sick cuz they have to eat the shit it is full of.
This is truth here: http://evilbible.com
Shit, we broke D. And he eats shit too.
This is truth here: http://evilbible.com. Read it and learn.
I think Korgan’s point was mainly about the existence, not the date, of the fossils of hominid variants. It is correct to state that the existence of these fossils directly contradicts biblical creation stories, regardless of what strata or apparent stratum sequence the fossils are found in. That’s just one more massive piece of evidence among many that show just how silly and false creationism is.
Well, happy hominid studying,
Ian Forsdyke
and the meme is taking hold:
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
Thats nice, but the existence cannot prove anything in of itself, according to what you all have already stated.
Furthermore, age was not the only thing stated.
Either your reading comprehension is very weak, or you are wilfully ignoring the facts that have been presented to you, or both. That’s pretty typical of the religiously deluded, and not very surprising.
Read and understand: “the existence of these fossils directly contradicts biblical creation stories, regardless of what strata or apparent stratum sequence the fossils are found in.” To elaborate for stupid deluded fools such as D, that is just one of many points of proof that christianity and the bible are just myth. Really sad that anyone falls for bible nonsense these days.
Ian
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
92 is a massive logic and comprehension fail. Wow, take a basic logic course. You’ve confused non-existence provability with something very different. Fuck, this D. of 92 is stupid.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
Ouch. Poster of 92 just got SPANKED big time. And PWNED. Good one. Spank spank spank.
ie your interpretation of the fossil’s data.
Apparently you can’t comprehend, and you blame it on me. Lol
And personally, I think that it is poor athiesm to conjure up some random names and use them as different persons.
Korgan. You aren’t fooling anyone.
I read back in some earlier posts in 2007, and this stuff you’re pulling now, you did to hyrocket.
Lrn2comeupwithnewstrategyplz
Either your reading comprehension is very weak, or you are wilfully ignoring the facts that have been presented, or both. That’s pretty typical of the religiously deluded, and not very surprising.
Read and understand: “the existence of these fossils directly contradicts biblical creation stories, regardless of what strata or apparent stratum sequence the fossils are found in.” To elaborate for stupid deluded fools such as D, that is just one of many points of proof that christianity and the bible are just myth. Really sad that anyone falls for bible nonsense these days.
Ian
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
92 is a massive logic and comprehension fail. Wow, take a basic logic course. You’ve confused non-existence provability with something very different. Fuck, this D. of 92 is exceptionally stupid.
It’s 2010. Fuck your stupid jesus stories.
Ouch. Poster of 92 just got SPANKED big time. And PWNED. Spank spank spank. SPANK!
I dont leave a lot of comments on a lot of blogs each week but i felt i had to here. I hope to develop a similar writing style to you one day.