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	<title>Comments on: Just Ask deletedsoul&#8211;Former Evangelical</title>
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	<description>Have faith in yourself</description>
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		<title>By: alcari</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-100996</link>
		<dc:creator>alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal, I don't think your question will be answered. Your best chance is to respond to het blog (link the article) because the question-and-answer forwarding was a one-time-only thing, and the odds that she'll read your question are slim, to none.

note the date on the article. March 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal, I don&#8217;t think your question will be answered. Your best chance is to respond to het blog (link the article) because the question-and-answer forwarding was a one-time-only thing, and the odds that she&#8217;ll read your question are slim, to none.</p>
<p>note the date on the article. March 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Camp</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-100956</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget has thought-provoking recollections and reflections. What she describes is the wing of evangelicalism that believes in grace in theory, but not in practice. It promotes a performance-based religion that stifles true biblical freedom. Iâ€™ve had a similar experience, and I hope she or others who are interested can check it out:
Confessions of a Bible Thumper -
http://deepthoughtpub.blogspot.com/

My question to Bridget is do you still have some form of faith in Christ and what does that entail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget has thought-provoking recollections and reflections. What she describes is the wing of evangelicalism that believes in grace in theory, but not in practice. It promotes a performance-based religion that stifles true biblical freedom. Iâ€™ve had a similar experience, and I hope she or others who are interested can check it out:<br />
Confessions of a Bible Thumper -<br />
<a href="http://deepthoughtpub.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://deepthoughtpub.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>My question to Bridget is do you still have some form of faith in Christ and what does that entail?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40668</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't say it makes you less moral.  It just means that you can set your own morality.  Of course you could successfully argue that I can too by picking and choosing form different parts of the Bible.  By "do whatever you please" I honeslty only meant that.  I've known many atheists that I would consider moral people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say it makes you less moral.  It just means that you can set your own morality.  Of course you could successfully argue that I can too by picking and choosing form different parts of the Bible.  By &#8220;do whatever you please&#8221; I honeslty only meant that.  I&#8217;ve known many atheists that I would consider moral people.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40605</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott,

I just needed to clear one thing up.  Your point number one is incorrect.  I can not do whatever I please and fill every need I have.  This is a common believer fallacy.  They seem to believe without god, one can not be moral, which I laughable.  It is just as false as saying that with god one can not do evil.  I certainly hope you don't believe that.  

Of course I can't say I have never stolen.  Always minor stuff as a child, as children will do.  This was also during the time I thought I believed in god :)  Since I became an adult the only thing I have stolen is downloaded some music.  Yea, I am evil for that. I bet a lot of so called christians have done at least that, many more.  I have never murdered, can all christians say that?  Never mugged anyone.  Don't drink or do drugs.  Not a racist, lots of so called christians can't say that.  

I'm not going to go on all day listing all possible sins, I am sure you get my point.  JUST because you believe in god does not make you inherently more moral.   In some cases I find it makes you LESS moral since, as stated earlier, it is fairly easy for one to justify all kinds of stuff if you are just doing it for god.  Just ask the "witches" in Salem during the burnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>I just needed to clear one thing up.  Your point number one is incorrect.  I can not do whatever I please and fill every need I have.  This is a common believer fallacy.  They seem to believe without god, one can not be moral, which I laughable.  It is just as false as saying that with god one can not do evil.  I certainly hope you don&#8217;t believe that.  </p>
<p>Of course I can&#8217;t say I have never stolen.  Always minor stuff as a child, as children will do.  This was also during the time I thought I believed in god :)  Since I became an adult the only thing I have stolen is downloaded some music.  Yea, I am evil for that. I bet a lot of so called christians have done at least that, many more.  I have never murdered, can all christians say that?  Never mugged anyone.  Don&#8217;t drink or do drugs.  Not a racist, lots of so called christians can&#8217;t say that.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to go on all day listing all possible sins, I am sure you get my point.  JUST because you believe in god does not make you inherently more moral.   In some cases I find it makes you LESS moral since, as stated earlier, it is fairly easy for one to justify all kinds of stuff if you are just doing it for god.  Just ask the &#8220;witches&#8221; in Salem during the burnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40367</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'll make two quick comments.  

One) I don't have any problem beliving that you're legitimately happy.  You can do whatever you please and fill every need you have.  How could that not make you happy.

Two) Being a Christian doesn't automagically make one happy and my brethren up there that seem to be claiming that it does are doing so for good, if misguided, reasons.  I'm happy sometimes, sad others.  Being a Christian isn't about "feeling good".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I don&#8217;t want to hijack this thread, but I&#8217;ll make two quick comments.  </p>
<p>One) I don&#8217;t have any problem beliving that you&#8217;re legitimately happy.  You can do whatever you please and fill every need you have.  How could that not make you happy.</p>
<p>Two) Being a Christian doesn&#8217;t automagically make one happy and my brethren up there that seem to be claiming that it does are doing so for good, if misguided, reasons.  I&#8217;m happy sometimes, sad others.  Being a Christian isn&#8217;t about &#8220;feeling good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40092</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to assume your comment was directed at me there Charles.  I think it is a fair assumption.

I can't stop talking about it?  On a site that is dedicated to it?  Do you know how moronic that comment is?   What do you mean by "name myself in relation to it"?  Are you referring to my name?  If so, it was my mother's idea - not mine.  After 35 years, I am quite attached to it now.  

I swear, I think you are the poster child for believers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to assume your comment was directed at me there Charles.  I think it is a fair assumption.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stop talking about it?  On a site that is dedicated to it?  Do you know how moronic that comment is?   What do you mean by &#8220;name myself in relation to it&#8221;?  Are you referring to my name?  If so, it was my mother&#8217;s idea - not mine.  After 35 years, I am quite attached to it now.  </p>
<p>I swear, I think you are the poster child for believers.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40088</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how it is all a silly joke to you, but you can't stop talking about it and even name yourself in relation to it...or should I say Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how it is all a silly joke to you, but you can&#8217;t stop talking about it and even name yourself in relation to it&#8230;or should I say Him.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40087</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Deleto soulo...got asbestos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Deleto soulo&#8230;got asbestos?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-40051</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Worldview's response made me chuckle a little.  It seems whenever a believer starts talking about how they "found christ" they were always a miserable soul until they were enlightened.  They also always talk about how they survey the landscape and see all of us heathens miserable, etc and we don't even know it.  Its like they all read from a script.

I guess when you believe in nonsense, thats just about all you can talk about.  For the record, once I dropped god like a hot potato, I became a MUCH happier person.  I would be even more happy if your flock would quit coming to my door every saturday and stop trying to pass laws based on your little book.

Oh and Ben?  When you break down and weep because of the "overwelming happiness" you have inside, it sounds like a chemical imbalance and you might want to have that looked at.

Since two seem so sure of yourselves, I have a question for you.  It is a time honored question mixed with the subject of this thread (indoctrination of youth by adults ).  Would you say that your belief is mutually exclusive with, say, the beliefs of Islamic folk.  For instance, someone born and raised and dies islamic can not go to heaven since they didn't accept your jesus. And, conversely, according to them (someone will have to correct me if I am wrong, I know almost nothing about this form of the sickness) you will be going to whatever they have for hell since you never accepted muhammed or whatever.  With that stated, wouldn't them teaching their kids that islam is the one true way be damning their kids to hell?  Those kids would never have a chance to make a fair choice since they are raised from the diaper to believe they are right.  Assuming you are right (I giggled a little at that thought) then they are committing a huge injustice in teaching their kids their religion before they ever had a chance to make up their own mind.  They were FORCED into a belief system.  And vice versa.

My point is this:  Survey the landscape of religions out there, how many of them are there?  How many of them are, like yours, exclusive of all other religions?  Do you HONESTLY believe you just happened to be born into a family or a country that knew the one true religion?  How do you know this?  Because someone told you?  Because you "feel" it?  

You have NO idea how funny your religion is. I really have a hard time coming to terms with the concept that a thinking, reasonably intelligent human being can believe that junk at all.  Yet they do.  It just floors me.  And you have NO idea just how silly it all is either! haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Worldview&#8217;s response made me chuckle a little.  It seems whenever a believer starts talking about how they &#8220;found christ&#8221; they were always a miserable soul until they were enlightened.  They also always talk about how they survey the landscape and see all of us heathens miserable, etc and we don&#8217;t even know it.  Its like they all read from a script.</p>
<p>I guess when you believe in nonsense, thats just about all you can talk about.  For the record, once I dropped god like a hot potato, I became a MUCH happier person.  I would be even more happy if your flock would quit coming to my door every saturday and stop trying to pass laws based on your little book.</p>
<p>Oh and Ben?  When you break down and weep because of the &#8220;overwelming happiness&#8221; you have inside, it sounds like a chemical imbalance and you might want to have that looked at.</p>
<p>Since two seem so sure of yourselves, I have a question for you.  It is a time honored question mixed with the subject of this thread (indoctrination of youth by adults ).  Would you say that your belief is mutually exclusive with, say, the beliefs of Islamic folk.  For instance, someone born and raised and dies islamic can not go to heaven since they didn&#8217;t accept your jesus. And, conversely, according to them (someone will have to correct me if I am wrong, I know almost nothing about this form of the sickness) you will be going to whatever they have for hell since you never accepted muhammed or whatever.  With that stated, wouldn&#8217;t them teaching their kids that islam is the one true way be damning their kids to hell?  Those kids would never have a chance to make a fair choice since they are raised from the diaper to believe they are right.  Assuming you are right (I giggled a little at that thought) then they are committing a huge injustice in teaching their kids their religion before they ever had a chance to make up their own mind.  They were FORCED into a belief system.  And vice versa.</p>
<p>My point is this:  Survey the landscape of religions out there, how many of them are there?  How many of them are, like yours, exclusive of all other religions?  Do you HONESTLY believe you just happened to be born into a family or a country that knew the one true religion?  How do you know this?  Because someone told you?  Because you &#8220;feel&#8221; it?  </p>
<p>You have NO idea how funny your religion is. I really have a hard time coming to terms with the concept that a thinking, reasonably intelligent human being can believe that junk at all.  Yet they do.  It just floors me.  And you have NO idea just how silly it all is either! haha</p>
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		<title>By: Alcari</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/03/14/just-ask-deletedsoul-former-evangelical/#comment-39319</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Will I ever be a part of a church again? Not likely. It's not because of hypocrisy or because I've been wronged in some way.  (...)I can't go back to church because it's all hollow. People think they know why they are there, but it's all an act on a grand stage, and the actors don't even know it's a play. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

wow, that's almost exactly the way I feel about it. Like religion is some kind of asuring yourself that everything is going to be allright, that someone is going to fix everything for you, while you really have to do it yourself (or ask a real person for help)

Now for an actual question:
Why do you think you shouldn't tell religious people they are/might be wrong? 

Personally, I don't want to put anyone through the disillusionment I went through, when I put two and two together and figured out God was as real as santaclause, but I think that it is for the best. Some people really are beyond help, but I'm much happier now that i'm not wasting my time in church and prayer, but actually fix my problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Will I ever be a part of a church again? Not likely. It&#8217;s not because of hypocrisy or because I&#8217;ve been wronged in some way.  (&#8230;)I can&#8217;t go back to church because it&#8217;s all hollow. People think they know why they are there, but it&#8217;s all an act on a grand stage, and the actors don&#8217;t even know it&#8217;s a play. </p></blockquote>
<p>wow, that&#8217;s almost exactly the way I feel about it. Like religion is some kind of asuring yourself that everything is going to be allright, that someone is going to fix everything for you, while you really have to do it yourself (or ask a real person for help)</p>
<p>Now for an actual question:<br />
Why do you think you shouldn&#8217;t tell religious people they are/might be wrong? </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t want to put anyone through the disillusionment I went through, when I put two and two together and figured out God was as real as santaclause, but I think that it is for the best. Some people really are beyond help, but I&#8217;m much happier now that i&#8217;m not wasting my time in church and prayer, but actually fix my problems.</p>
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