Satan has no power compared to what God has! What power he does have may seem great to us, but to God, it’s nothing.

Apparently Satan has enough power to formulate a plan to try and overthrow God without his knowledge. Really now, if God knew Satan was going to betray him and take 1/3 of his angels with him why would God have created Lucifer in the first place?

The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils? Yes or no?

Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.

# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.”

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching.

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it.

# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.”

# “And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.”

# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

# God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.”

# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever.

Mark

# Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12

# Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13

# Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

# Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

# If you’re ashamed of Jesus, he’ll be ashamed of you. (And you’ll go straight to hell.) 8:38

# Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49

# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don’t will be damned. 16:16

Luke

# God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel’s words. 1:20

# Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 3:9

# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned “with fire unquenchable.” 3:17

# Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37

# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants “thrust down to hell” for not “receiving” his disciples. 10:10-15

# Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5

# Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves “with many stripes.” 12:46-47

And that’s just to get started.

Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.

Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.

Ally told you exactly what you needed, but since you want more, here you go you spiritual bolemic. (feel free to puke it up when your done thinking about it)

Our Lord, and your Lord(yes, He is still your Lord whether you like it or not), does not choose to do immediately away with Satan. He *could* if He wanted to, but that is *not* His plan or His will. F.Y.I, man doesn’t suffer because of the devil, man suffers because of his own sin.

Parallel with God? Ha! Satan has no power compared to what God has! What power he does have may seem great to us, but to God, it’s nothing. Anyway, God is not Satan’s “good” counterpart, and Satan is not God’s “evil” counterpart. They are not equal, and in my opinion, they can not even be compared together. How can Satan be as powerful as God, if he can not defeat Michael the Archangel?

“Any human that ends up in hell can only hold themself responsible because Jesus took the penalty that we deserve. We can have everlasting life because of Jesus :)”

That………that makes me want to jump out of my seat and praise the Lord! One of the best statements i’ve seen on this website! Thats great! Thanks Ally, you made my day.

In response to the latest Allycrap, here are just a few of the many guidances to murder and violence, and other horrors promoted by the Christian book of horrors also known as the bible:

# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.”

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching.

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up “all that offend” and they “shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it.

# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it’s better to be “maimed” than to suffer “everlasting fire.”

# “And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.”

# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn’t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and “cast him into the outer darkness” where “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It’ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

# God will come when people least expect him and then he’ll “cut them asunder.” And “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# The servant who kept and returned his master’s talent was cast into the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an “everlasting fire.”

# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever.

Mark

# Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12

# Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13

# Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

# Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

# If you’re ashamed of Jesus, he’ll be ashamed of you. (And you’ll go straight to hell.) 8:38

# Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49

# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don’t will be damned. 16:16

Luke

# God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel’s words. 1:20

# Those who fail to bear “good fruit” will be “hewn down, and cast into the fire.” 3:9

# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned “with fire unquenchable.” 3:17

# Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37

# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants “thrust down to hell” for not “receiving” his disciples. 10:10-15

# Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5

# Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves “with many stripes.” 12:46-47

And that’s just to get started.

Religion is for the stupid, the ignorant, and the gullible, and for those who would profit from them.

The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils? Yes or no?

Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.

Your “god” of your Christian myths is purportedly all-powerful and benevolent, but yet again in post 77, you still claim that a devil coexists in parallel with your god of your myths as the source of evil. It is simply absurd that an omnipotent creature, such as your god-myth is claimed to be, cannot simply do away immediately with this devil without humans having to presently suffer for it (such as in your Adam and Eve fiction and other bible tall tales).

Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.

The devil is a created being and he IS going to die; he is NOT immortal. The devil and his minions had committed the unpardonable sin and hell is supposed to be for them [see Matthew 25:41; Matthew 8:29]. Any human that ends up in hell can only hold themself responsible because Jesus took the penalty that we deserve. We can have everlasting life because of Jesus :)

Korgan? let’s say you have 25 children so you’re their parent; a parent is supposed to be loving and caring and a parent is supposed to provide SAFETY for all their children right? So you have rules to ensure the safety of your children. Let’s say one of your children decided to break your rules and the minute they did, BAM!!!!!! you execute him or her! What do you think your other children would think of you; do you think they would obey the rules because they realize that you love them and want to protect them or do you think that they would obey you because they’re scared stiff that you’re gonna kill them? If the children are obedient to you because of FEAR, that won’t be any fun, not for you and certainly not for them!

Satan wanted to usurp God! and you atheists are echoing his lies: Oh we got this, we don’t need God, we don’t need religion! Well the people of the French Revolution said that too and they had their goddess of “Reason” and we all know where that went. The communists tried that too and where is communism today?! I have seen communists/atheists in Russia storming biblical meetings because they had been soooooo starved for God’s word. I looked at them kissing the free bibles that they got; they were laying on the grass outside and caressing those bibles :D Man! atheism does NOT work!!!!

If this world had only atheists, BOOM!!! the devil would destroy it completely or God may have to, depending on how depraved and wicked it is. So y’all better consider yourselves blessed because there are believers here (remember In Genesis 19, God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if there were 10 righteous in those cities; he would have spared the wicked because of the righteous. Well, he couldn’t even find 5 righteous in those cities and Lot and his daughters escaped by the skin of their teeth and we all know the influence those wicked cities had on those girls because look at what they did with their father, eeeeeeeeeew.

Anyways, if the devil didn’t entice Eve to sin maybe sin could have originated with Eve. When created beings break the rules of a perfect and loving God then disease and death and chaos ensues. God is giving Satan time to demonstrate what life apart from Him entails and eventually God will make things new again and there will never be pain or sorrow or death again :) see Rev.21:4

Now you’re gonna ask why did God create Lucifer if God knew Lucifer would become a devil huh? Well, that’s human thinking! An all powerful God is not gonna let some stubborn, self willed, idiotic creature stop Him from creating. God is LOVE and He creates beings to love and for Him to be loved by them. The opposite of love is not hate but selfishness and God has billions and billions of beings to love and they love, worship and ADORE Him. We are in the minor minority down here and God still puts up with us. I mean he could have said “Forget them!” but He didn’t because he L-O-V-E-S us :D Also, He provided a way out for us :)

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Korgan, i keep giving you all this book that addresses some of these questions and you don’t look at it apparently :) ——> http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC

Here’s ANOTHER excerpt from the book:-

“For obvious reasons God brought Adam and Eve into existence without their free consent. God in His freedom and sovereignty decided and proceeded to create them. Their freedom emerged after their creation in the form of the possibility of a choice. The choices at the disposal of Adam and Eve were not many—they had only two.

We find both of the choices that they confronted in the text we quoted above” [Genesis 2:16,17]. “A superficial reading may give the impression that the choices were either to eat or not to eat from the tree. But they were not really about eating although it did involve that. The narrative takes us to the very depth of the nature of human freedom and establishes that such freedom has to do with the most fundamental question a creature has to address— that of choosing life or death. The biblical writer is not telling us that the universe possesses two eternal antagonistic forces, namely the power of God as life and the power of someone or something else as death, and that we can select between them. The issues are much more complex.

Let me suggest for your consideration that what the text establishes is that only God is, and that apart from Him there is nothing else,but between being with God and not being. This makes absolute sense within the flow of the narrative. As already indicated, Adam and Eve came into being without giving them freedom to choose to be created or not. That was a logical impossibility. But now the Creator did offer them the freedom to choose existence or nonexistence, that is to say, to freely accept the gift of life or to go back to nothingness. God offered the options in the firm command, because the creator had a preference. He wanted them to select life, and therefore He emphasized as strongly as possible that if they opted for death He would honor their choice and that they would “surely die.”

Obviously , rejecting God’s gift of life would be to spurn Him, an act of rebellion, but He was willing to accept their decision. Since God’s intentions for humans was positive, it is difficult to imagine that Adam and Eve would have seriously considered the possibility of rejecting life. But the option was there—otherwise God would have enslaved them to live on a planet for ever without their consent. …”

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Hey! look at this question that someone asked this ex - atheist who is now a pastor —->

http://www.amazingfacts.org/Radio/BibleAnswersLiveQuestionArchive/tabid/212/ctl/PlayMedia/mid/731/MDID/2519/PID/1358/SID/13/SQT/1000/7/Why-didnt-God-forgive-Adam-and-Eve/Default.aspx

The mere existence of fossils of lineages of hominidae variants that are precursors to homo sapiens renders Christian creationism absurd and false. That is just one aspect of the now overwhelming evidence for evolution and against creationism. Do you deny the existence of such fossils?

Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.