“All this talk about Islam being violent to women is nothing more than :
1. Lack of education in the Quran and Hadith
2. The inability to differentiate between cultural norms and religious wants.”

Does the Quran allow men to punish their women if they do not obey?
Did your prophet allow his wifes to leave the home?

Daraba = a lot of different meanings. To some it means “Leave your wife she does not obey”.

And I don’t have a prophet so I wouldn’t know now would I?

As far as I know, all those who have committed honor killings have been arrested. Laws have not been changed in Europe to accomodate honor killings.

I hardly think the bombing of Iraq and Afganistan that Some Europeans have joined the U.S. in doing can be considered “polite and apologetic.”

Even though colonialism has ended, Western governmets still interfere with the governments in the MIddle East, Asia, South Africa, and Asia. Western democracies preach human rights and democracy, yet they engage in regime change and support brutal dictaorships who do their budding in giving the West a large share of the coutries’ natural resources.

On some level I agree with Boris, even if I find some of his views overly aggressive, about the cultural hijacking which is constantly happening.

The base cultures are being changed by minority groups with demands of respect to their culture and then to other changes in existing governmental structures.

The Europe has been conditioned to be so polite and apologetic over the colonization and other acts or historical value that we tend to accommodate requests and behavioral patterns which are bordering illegal by our current laws. Instead of saying no, we change the laws and customs as we are so afraid of offending anyone.

I find it interesting on an intellectually when one group complains of being subject to cultural decimation at the hands of a majority group and many agree, many even outside the minority group.

But when the majority group shows interest in keeping its position by limiting the growing influence of immigrant group or other minority then the same people are also offended. I am not talking of eradicating the minorities but of maintaining cultural identity.

Seems like being part of a majority group is in itself an offense and wanting to keep the cultural situation relatively stable and enforce the culture of majority is even more offensive.

I personally am fond of cultural diversity but I cannot find much to applaud with cultural uniformity apart its dullness.

The Americanization is a sad example of cultural uniformity. I am not interested of hearing only American music nor eating hamburgers and watching only American movies. Nothing against Americans but I want to listen European industrial music, eat sushi, enjoy Bollywood movies and everything around the world.

But I have nothing against immigrants, I find the diversity refreshing but I also find it alarming that my culture must accommodate the beliefs and actions which conflict with out laws and customs.

I disagree with the laws of some countries but as I am not a citizen there I cannot change them but I want immigrants to follow our laws if they wish to move in.

if denmark chose to either expel or eliminate their muslim population, it would be justified. just an example.

Really? Why should all Muslim immigrants be punished for the actions of a few?

Does the Quran allow men to punish their women if they do not obey?
Did your prophet allow his wifes to leave the home?

the answer is no. religion is merely a tool smart people use to incite people to do their bidding. the name of the game is resources. prevention is a derivative of resources, influence. if denmark chose to either expel or eliminate their muslim population, it would be justified. just an example.

What about the wars the United States is involved in right now: Iraq and Afghanistan. Are those due to religion?

Enjoying your intelligent posts is but one of the ways I spend my days; I feel it important that voices and opinion be heard, in opposition of religion.

That being said, PLENTY of wars have been STARTED by RELIGION. I’d offer some links, but unlike you I see the relativity in all things; not fine lines seperating them.