Comments on: Wahlert Catholic High Adopts Gestapo Tactics http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/ Have faith in yourself Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:30:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: a different wahlert student http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-165147 a different wahlert student Thu, 22 May 2008 16:28:47 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-165147 Out of curiosity, how did you guys find this page? I had no idea this was national news, but I guess it is if it was in a San Diego newspaper. Out of curiosity, how did you guys find this page? I had no idea this was national news, but I guess it is if it was in a San Diego newspaper.

]]> By: jagannath http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-163071 jagannath Fri, 16 May 2008 00:26:36 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-163071 The discussion has not been about a specific school but of schools which seem to seek to train, and using not so different methods from the other regimes which seek to enforce obedience doctrines, students to let go of their rights in the name of 'alleged' safety. Your school is merely an already forgotten side note in the battle between totalitarian rule and your rights which are being gnawed away and by your posts with your agreement. <blockquote> "All forms of tampering with human beings, getting at them, shaping them against their will to your own pattern, all thought control and conditioning is, therefore, a denial of that in men which makes them men and their values ultimate." - Isaiah Berlin </blockquote> The discussion has not been about a specific school but of schools which seem to seek to train, and using not so different methods from the other regimes which seek to enforce obedience doctrines, students to let go of their rights in the name of ‘alleged’ safety.

Your school is merely an already forgotten side note in the battle between totalitarian rule and your rights which are being gnawed away and by your posts with your agreement.

“All forms of tampering with human beings, getting at them,
shaping them against their will to your own pattern,
all thought control and conditioning is, therefore,
a denial of that in men which makes them men and their values ultimate.” - Isaiah Berlin

]]> By: a different wahlert student http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-163061 a different wahlert student Thu, 15 May 2008 23:42:00 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-163061 Look, I got carried away with the last post. I said some things that could be taken wrong and that I didn't mean, and I'm sorry. All I am saying is that you should try to avoid hurting people with your posts. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your position, I am just asking you to stop verbally assaulting my school. I don't mind if you continue your discussion, but please stop dragging Wahlert's name through the mud. Look, I got carried away with the last post. I said some things that could be taken wrong and that I didn’t mean, and I’m sorry. All I am saying is that you should try to avoid hurting people with your posts. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your position, I am just asking you to stop verbally assaulting my school. I don’t mind if you continue your discussion, but please stop dragging Wahlert’s name through the mud.

]]> By: Kurt http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162817 Kurt Wed, 14 May 2008 22:20:05 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162817 a different Wahlern student -- "Why is this such a big deal? Sure it’s inconvenient and I don’t like it, but I also don’t like football practice and I do that to get to the game, just like I get breathalyzed to get to the dance." Well, it's such a big deal because your fourth (and to an extent, your fifth) amendment rights have been stolen. You will note I didn't say "abridged" or "lessened." Once this particular right has any chinks in it whatsoever, it basically has been ripped from you (like most natural rights). You might protest, "But it's only High School." True. Unemancipated humans (such as children and the mentally incompetent) don't have the right (for example) to keep and bear arms because of a lack of adult judgement. But the right against unreasonable (and this policy is *most* unreasonable) search and seizure has no codicil of that nature. So all it truly accomplishes is the production of adults who won't mind their privacy being invaded and their other rights taken from them by the Federal and State governments. Fabian strategies like this one are designed to slowly strip away one's indignance at being treated like a criminal and a slave so that one can be made a criminal or a slave. You wrote of how safe your school is (it's been a long day; I'm not in the mood to fact check that). The more important question is: what is your school's academic rating? I suggest that you study up on the fourth amendment. You might also delve into Stalin's Russia and read the novel 1984. And I'll leave you with a quote from Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would sacrifice essential liberty to achieve temporary security deserve neither." a different Wahlern student —
“Why is this such a big deal? Sure it’s inconvenient and I don’t like it, but I also don’t like football practice and I do that to get to the game, just like I get breathalyzed to get to the dance.” Well, it’s such a big deal because your fourth (and to an extent, your fifth) amendment rights have been stolen. You will note I didn’t say “abridged” or “lessened.” Once this particular right has any chinks in it whatsoever, it basically has been ripped from you (like most natural rights).
You might protest, “But it’s only High School.” True. Unemancipated humans (such as children and the mentally incompetent) don’t have the right (for example) to keep and bear arms because of a lack of adult judgement. But the right against unreasonable (and this policy is *most* unreasonable) search and seizure has no codicil of that nature. So all it truly accomplishes is the production of adults who won’t mind their privacy being invaded and their other rights taken from them by the Federal and State governments.
Fabian strategies like this one are designed to slowly strip away one’s indignance at being treated like a criminal and a slave so that one can be made a criminal or a slave.
You wrote of how safe your school is (it’s been a long day; I’m not in the mood to fact check that). The more important question is: what is your school’s academic rating? I suggest that you study up on the fourth amendment. You might also delve into Stalin’s Russia and read the novel 1984.
And I’ll leave you with a quote from Benjamin Franklin: “Those who would sacrifice essential liberty to achieve temporary security deserve neither.”

]]> By: irishthunder http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162786 irishthunder Wed, 14 May 2008 18:06:55 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162786 "How can you comment on my school?" By having free speech. "You live in California." Not everyone on the internet live in california. "When I have no idea what someone is talking about, I don’t respond to it on the internet. You obviously do not have the same reactionary in stincts that I do." Some people have an amazing tendency to do something i like to call "research", it involves looking up and studying information on my own. "Be quiet." No. "Also, move out of your mom’s basebment and get a real job." Damn, you caught everyone. Thats right, every single person that has a view or opinion different than yours lives in their mother's basement. “How can you comment on my school?”
By having free speech.

“You live in California.”
Not everyone on the internet live in california.

“When I have no idea what someone is talking about, I don’t respond to it on the internet. You obviously do not have the same reactionary in stincts that I do.”
Some people have an amazing tendency to do something i like to call “research”, it involves looking up and studying information on my own.

“Be quiet.”
No.

“Also, move out of your mom’s basebment and get a real job.”
Damn, you caught everyone. Thats right, every single person that has a view or opinion different than yours lives in their mother’s basement.

]]> By: a different wahlert student http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162783 a different wahlert student Wed, 14 May 2008 17:09:16 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-162783 How can you comment on my school? You live in California. Wahlert is the safest of the 3 high schools in Dubuque. Why is this such a big deal? Sure it's inconvenient and I don't like it, but I also don't like football practice and I do that to get to the game, just like I get breathalyzed to get to the dance. When I have no idea what someone is talking about, I don't respond to it on the internet. You obviously do not have the same reactionary in stincts that I do. Be quiet. Please respond because I find your posts so bad that they are entertaining. Also, move out of your mom's basebment and get a real job. How can you comment on my school? You live in California. Wahlert is the safest of the 3 high schools in Dubuque. Why is this such a big deal? Sure it’s inconvenient and I don’t like it, but I also don’t like football practice and I do that to get to the game, just like I get breathalyzed to get to the dance. When I have no idea what someone is talking about, I don’t respond to it on the internet. You obviously do not have the same reactionary in stincts that I do. Be quiet. Please respond because I find your posts so bad that they are entertaining. Also, move out of your mom’s basebment and get a real job.

]]> By: Mike@Blackpool UK http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-62098 Mike@Blackpool UK Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:56:06 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-62098 Time to change the target? Maybe God is dead and the goverment isn't? On Saturday I had the chance to talk to two old friends who are fundamentalist Christians. In the UK we call them Christadelphians. Apparently they're not Trinitarians. Whatever. Anyway, we had a long and heated debate about - well, you know - and I still couldn't dissuade them from their odd beliefs. My question now is - do I apologise for ranting on until the small hours about Atheism (about which I am passionate)or let the silly buggers just go on living in merciful ignorance? You see, I believe quite fiercly in radical Atheism. We're not loud anough and we don't grab nearly enough of our congregation's cash. A Tithe would do nicely! Time to change the target? Maybe God is dead and the goverment isn’t?
On Saturday I had the chance to talk to two old friends who are fundamentalist Christians. In the UK we call them Christadelphians. Apparently they’re not Trinitarians. Whatever. Anyway, we had a long and heated debate about - well, you know - and I still couldn’t dissuade them from their odd beliefs. My question now is - do I apologise for ranting on until the small hours about Atheism (about which I am passionate)or let the silly buggers just go on living in merciful ignorance? You see, I believe quite fiercly in radical Atheism. We’re not loud anough and we don’t grab nearly enough of our congregation’s cash. A Tithe would do nicely!

]]> By: RandallJones http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-61350 RandallJones Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:25:50 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-61350 Mike@Blackpool UK, gasmonso has a website about "Political Freaks" at http://politicalfreaks.com/ but he only posted 2 topics on it and he hasn't updated it since Ocober 20, 2006. I guess he prefers to make fun of religious freaks. It's depressing to make fun of political freaks because it reminds us that despite living in a democracy, we have not really been able to make the government do what is right. Mike@Blackpool UK,

gasmonso has a website about “Political Freaks” at http://politicalfreaks.com/

but he only posted 2 topics on it and he hasn’t updated it since Ocober 20, 2006.

I guess he prefers to make fun of religious freaks.

It’s depressing to make fun of political freaks because it reminds us that despite living in a democracy, we have not really been able to make the government do what is right.

]]> By: Mike@Blackpool UK http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-60830 Mike@Blackpool UK Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:10:29 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-60830 Gasmondo, where are you? I've dipped my toes in internet posts but my mentor had disapeared! Come back, my man! Gasmondo, where are you? I’ve dipped my toes in internet posts but my mentor had disapeared! Come back, my man!

]]> By: sidfaiwu http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-59909 sidfaiwu Tue, 29 May 2007 12:20:55 +0000 http://religiousfreaks.com/2007/04/17/wahlert-catholic-high-adopts-gestapo-tactics/#comment-59909 Feel free to use 'Sid', if you prefer. Feel free to use ‘Sid’, if you prefer.

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