In a stunning reversal of character, God has changed his mind! At least according to the Catholic Church. Before this historic alteration of centuries of theology, unbaptized babies were still tainted with Original Sin and where thus unworthy to be in the presence of God. God, not being heartless enough to send those innocent dead babies to Hell, made a special place just for them: Limbo!
Not anymore! In a document released by the Catholic News Service and approved by the Pope himself, there is no limbo anymore. According to the document, “People find it increasingly difficult to accept that God is just and merciful if he excludes infants, who have no personal sins, from eternal happiness, whether they are Christian or non-Christian.” Apparently, the actions of God are subject to public approval.
A change this large hasn’t occurred since the sun suddenly stopped circling the earth and the earth started spinning instead. As usual, God was unavailable for comment.
–Sidfaiwu
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Alcari,
Have you heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Back to the Holy Spirit again. As an enemy of God you have the Holy Spirit with you everyone does. However, once you accept Jesus in your heart the spirit is upon you, He indwells you. It’s like the bat-phone to heaven, direct line. The Spirit is the one who convicts you, leads you to God, and reveals his truth to you in many ways ,including the reading of the scriptures. Then as a believer you have the opportunity to be filled with the Holy Spirit which is really cool.
I love you my not yet brother
“Do you believe in moral absolute, meaning is there right and wrong? If yes what do you base right or wrong on?”
This old chestnut, when will god botherers stop pretending their religion gives morality? We are moral because if we weren’t we would’ve wiped ourselves out of existence a long time before we invented religion. If too many early humans went around stealing and killing, etc, they would’ve been the most successful and had lots of stealing and killing babies who would’ve stole and killed us out of existence. For the good of the species it proved more adaptive to have a majority of the species generally nice and kind. So what we call good is good for survival of our genes, and what we call bad is bad for our genes’ survival. No need for a book that tells you it’s ok to commit infanticide and genocide like the bible and other amoral acts.
“Did you know that Archeology has never revealed any evidence to refute the bible. On the contrary it always supports it.” Ok, give us the evidence of this amazing support.
Brian that archeology thing was especially for you. You show me. I’m not the one trying to disprove what all the evidence shows, God is real.
Are drugs good for your genes, Brian. What about std’s from prostitutes? How about fast food.
Thou shalt not kill ring a bell. Doesn’t sound like a big promoter of genocide to me. Are you pro-life or pro-choice mr infanticide. If Christianity doesn’t set guidelines for morality what does? You?
You see, if you talk to it, it just shouts back louder and more rudely. People such as jesuslovesyou practice the worst kind of morality. He(?) pretty much said that if he needs God looking over his shoulder for him to be good. He can’t even imagine why we would be moral without God. He’s already convinced himself that all atheists are drug using, promiscuous hedonist (and probably worse) and nothing we say will change his mind.
The sad part is, he actually believes he is doing God’s will by insulting atheists.
jesuslovesyou, brian already answered your question about morals. Simply put if its bad for the progress of mankind don’t do it. So since human first evolved we were already being conditioned not to do such things. And about the archeology, theres no evidence at ALL that supports the crackpot idea that the bible is true. But if you want to put forth that theory then you need EVIDENCE, which is why it hasnt been done before.
P.S. just out of curiosity, do you beleive that the earth is only 6000 years old?
“Brian that archeology thing was especially for you. You show me. I’m not the one trying to disprove what all the evidence shows, God is real.”
That’s silly. You made a statement it’s up to you to provide evidence. If I say there’s a green man in my living room, you won’t accept that as an accurate example of reality without some proof and you won’t feel the need to provide evidence that there isn’t. Where’s your proof?
“Are drugs good for your genes, Brian. What about std’s from prostitutes? How about fast food.”
Talk about conflation of unrelated issues. I’ll separate them.
“Are drugs good for your genes?”
Well, I’ll assume you’re talking about illicit drugs and not medicinal drugs here. Drugs have chemical effects similar to naturally occuring chemicals in the body. So taking cocaine for example mimics the effect of a hormone called seratonine (correct me if I’m mistaken) which is partly responsible for feelling good. So, taking cocaine tricks the body into feeling good (massive oversimplification but it gives the idea). Anyway, in short it hijacks a chemical pathway. Is that good for your genes? Hard to say, if it stops you procreating, then its bad, otherwise it may have no effect.
“What about std from prostitutes?”
What does that have to do with drugs? It’s patently obvious that having unsafe sex is unsafe. We have condoms and education. You can teach our youth that sex is natural and healthy but that they should always use a condom. If they have any doubts about a potential partner, they have the right to say no, as it’s their body. No problem for morality there.
“How about fast food?”
What about the fat evangelists on American TV like Pat Robertson or whatever his name. By your standards he’d most likely be moral yet he most probably doesn’t mind glutony. It’s an educational thing and a parental responsibility thing. We need to be educated about what eat, and parents, schools and society have a role to play in encouraging healthy eating. The bible offers no help here.
“Thou shalt not kill ring a bell. Doesn’t sound like a big promoter of genocide to me. Are you pro-life or pro-choice mr infanticide. If Christianity doesn’t set guidelines for morality what does? You?”
Christianity (or more to the point Judaism) wasn’t the first religion or philosophy to spout that line. It also says in Deuteronomy that you should kill unbelievers. And Jesus said that if a child disobeys a parent, the parent should kill the child. It’s in Mathew and Mark I believe. I’m pro-human. I don’t believe our actions should increase the suffering of other humans wherever possible. I believe our actions should increase the actions of other humans whereever possible. After all, it feels good to help another human and feels bad to hurt another human. Why? Because we evolved that way, it was good for our genes survival. I can think for myself and have choice. But what makes me feel good and feel bad is in my genes.
Edit: I mean “I believe our actions should increase the happiness of other humans whereever possible” Bloody work gets in the way and I hurry to much.
thunder
round about 6000 yes. The Bible is an accurate histoical document and accepted as such. It is the recorded history of the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, God’s chosen people. Some parts are improvable by secular standards ie Jonah and the great fish. However, the majority is proven accurate and true. Wake up non-believers you’re being snowballed.
did you read any of post 48?
But do you have any evidence? you can preach your crap as much as you want but if you aren’t able to back it with evidence and facts its completely futile.
“The Bible is an accurate histoical document and accepted as such” Accepted by who? Not by the majority of historians. It’s only accepted as an accurate historical document by a small number of fundamentalist christians.
” It is the recorded history of the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, God’s chosen people.”
That must piss of the christians, not being god’s chosen people. After all, Jesus was a proud jew, and never wanted to start a new religion. It was Paul who create christianity.
” However, the majority is proven accurate and true.”
Again, show us this proof.
sid,
what’s up man. If atheists do chose to do drugs and are promisuous does that make them bad if there are no moral absolutes. It sounds to me that the Holy Spirit is at work in you right now my soon-to-be brother. You recognize sin and don’t even know it
come on y’all. are you that uneducated. the bible is accepted in public schools and universities as an accurate historical document.
Brian, do you really believe the stuff you write or are you completely blinded by hate. why are you so angry at God? “Paul created Christianity” get a grip. He spent three years basicly alone after his conversion on the road to damascus. then he went to the other believers. You and I both acknowledge Paul. Isn’t that proof that the bible is real. The gospel message (good news) was first for the jews and the the gentiles (everybody else). That’s how church on sunday started. Paul would always preach first to the jews on sat. the to the rest of the dogs on sunday. (alittle humor for the non-believers) Thus church on sunday for christians. The first believers were actually called “followers of the way” Contrary to what BRIAN says Jesus never said to kill children. In deuteronomy or leviticus it does command a father to take an uncontrollable son to the elders at the city gate and stone the boy. Wild stuff that old testament. Lot’s of smoting if you read the Old King James bible.
CHALLENGE NON-BELIEVERS Get an NIV or other modern translation and read the book of John. I dare you.
Back to you IRISHBLUNDER I mean thunder (haha)
Please refer to post 48 for proof of the Bible or to Brian and I discussing paul aka saul or tarsus. Paul by the was was a highly educated pharise or religious leader of the time. He was taught by gamaliel. Once again see works of secular historian josephus (sp)
Wow, very clever. Iv read 48 multiple times, funny thing is its just you making random ass statements WITHOUT evidence. I mean are we supposed to take your word that everything YOU think is true? sorry buddy, im gonna need a little more than that
“come on y’all. are you that uneducated. the bible is accepted in public schools and universities as an accurate historical document.”
You shouldn’t joke about that sort of thing. It’s far too terrifying to be funny.
okay irish 1 more then lights out for this old man 39. Do i really have to provide evidence that Jesus was here and was crucified. Read the Koran. It mentions jesus more than mohammed (13 times I believe.)
http://www.carm.org/evidence/Josephus_Jesus.htm
goodnight I’ll pray for you all.
pilomotor what’s terrifying is what’s going on in the schools now that they’ve taken God, prayer, and the ten commandments out. You need to see the great physician, you’ve got a heart condition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Just because there was a guy named jesus who was crucified doesn’t mean that the ENTIRE bible is true. Jesus was a common name and crucifixion was common way execution.
irish was rising from the dead commom too?
http://www.carm.org/evidence/Josephus_Jesus.htm
till tomorrow or later today as it may be. The bible tells us that today is the day of salvation.
Hang on. First you claim “the bible is accepted in public schools and universities as an accurate historical document”, then you claim “they’ve taken God, prayer, and the ten commandments out” of schools. Am I the only one who sees a logical inconsistency preventing both of these statements from being true simultaneously?
The great physician? How great can he be when literally everyone dies in his waiting room?
“why are you so angry at God?” I don’t believe God exists, therefore I have no anger.
” You and I both acknowledge Paul. Isn’t that proof that the bible is real.” The Da Vinci Code acknowledges Jesus, guess that’s a history book too.
Paul argued for Gentiles to be baptised into the Jewish sect of Jesus. Jesus only saw himself as the Jewish Messiah. It was Paul who created christianity by allowing non Jews to enter into the followers and break it away from Judaism.
“Contrary to what BRIAN says Jesus never said to kill children”
Funny, in Mathew 15 it says: For God said,* “Honour your father and your mother,†and, “Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.â€
And he also said that whatever was written in the old testament still stood, so dismissing Deuteronomy is dissmissing Jesus.
From the site about Josephus:
“At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”
Hearsay recorded many decades after Jesus’ time. Not evidence of anything except for the Jesus myth. And it’s his disciples who are quoted. Of course they’d say that, they are trying to convert people. Pathetic attempt at evidence.
1 checks out, however I must point out that there were as many jesuses in isreal as there are in mexico right now. 2-> well, you can interpret the reason as you see fit, it was because of causing publix uproar, but if you say “sins” then whatever.
3 -> uhhh…. secular? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus#Significance_to_scholarship
4 -> there are hundreds of deaths where people don’t leave bones, hell, there are almost no bones left from 2000 years ago, did they all go to heaven?
5 -> says one single, highly disputed source.
6&7 -> drop the filler.
Compile error in module: Religion
personal stories are nice, but useless, as for every “I found god” story here, there is an “I saw the light” story, so your nice argument hold zero weight.
Hey, just my little 4-year old nephew who want confirmation all the time.
Yes i have, though you seem to have left out your argument.
AHAHAHA, you mean the evidence showing how the great exodus was only a few thousand people? or the semi-evidence showing that there WAS a jesus? Or the fact that several people did exist as named in the bible? Those are hardly proof of a bearded man in the sky.
a few words then, that might ring a bell to you.
Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, jebisite, Jericho, Gomorra, amelekites, sisera, caanites.
Can’t find any of em? That’s because God ordered them wiped out. try reading Jos.12:24, for a discription of “God’s love” Thou shalt not kill, my ass.
Why yes, I do indeed, as does everyone else. everyone does to everyone else as they would want the other person to do to them. ie. You don’t steal because you don’t want to be robbed.
accepted as such ONLY by religious non-scientists…
some stuff in it “kind-a-looks-like-it’s-true” but
Either you’re not reading, have skipped over the replies or are a complete retard. It’s not the first one, and I’m starting to have serious doubts about the other two.
Then again, doing drugs does not make one evil.
To Jesuslovesyou:
First off, don’t call me Dearest. The insincerity is offensive.
Secondly, you obviously don’t know the Bible as well as you think you do. Brian and Alcari have got the facts straight, and when I read that you believe the Bible to be a “historically accurate document” I burst out laughing.
Just like how I burst out laughing when I watched “The Ten Commandments” at Easter. I had an epiphany, if you will, when Moses saw the Burning Bush. It struck me as total nonsense that God, in all his Glory and Power, would appear to a mortal being as a burning bush. That’s just plain silly.
It’s also mythology. And once that thought occurred to me, everything became very clear. As pointed out in earlier posts, Paul invented the Christian Mythology, began changing the rules of the first followers of Christ…actually, they didn’t have that many RULES, but Paul saw the need to complicate things. I see Paul as the prototype for the modern evangelist, the eternal Opportunist.
What saddens me most about the Christianists is their blatant hypocrisy and the way they trivialize God. Fellowship with God? The idea is absurd and, in my opinion, blasphemous. There can be no fellowship between mortals and God. That’s pulling Him down to our level instead of us aspiring to be better humans and more God-like in our ways.
To quote Alcari, AAAAAAARRRGGHHH!!!!!
(Hey, does this fellowship concept involve meeting God over at O’Charley’s and having a round of beers? )
Good Grief.
I take a break for 2 weeks and you guys strike the mother-lode of delusional pseudo-trolls!
I swear I’m actually somewhat jealous…. :)
(hey Gas, hope your doin’ ok!!!)
My eyes bleed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSPAR75418020070427?&src=042707_1355_DOUBLEFEATURE_
Apparantly we “are” in charge of our own fate after all! Religious? Recycle? Join these hypocrits.
[...] was just speaking with the other ACM students today about this: the Pope has declared that there is no longer a purgatory. I guess now that the Church isn’t using it as a way to embezzle money out of people, [...]
First I’d like to start off by saying that this in no way declares that purgatory doesn’t exist, but rather the state of limbo does not exist. The two are not synonymous. Purgatory is actually a state that is between heaven and hell where those who do not enter Hell proper go to wait to get into heaven. It is much like the area described as the underworld in Greek Mythos and Roman Mythos. Limbo on the other hand is a state of being that the unborn souls would go in which contains pure happiness, but the absence of God.
This was widely believed because of an interpretation of the Bible. That interpretation was altered so that there no longer is a limbo, and that is what the Pope declared.
I’m not here to argue the existence of God, for I know that every point I could make, there would likely be a counter point, and it would become a little too tedious to keep going back and forth. I just wanted to clear up a little confusion over what the Pope said.
Please do not believe that either the pope’s, the Catholic church’s, my own, or your inability to understand God has any bearing on His existence. Whether or not we can understand Him changes nothing about the Truth.
Here is a simple thought. There are no repentant souls in Hell, regardless of their beliefs during their physical life.
“There are no repentant souls in Hell, regardless of their beliefs during their physical life.”
You’re “simple thought” makes no sense. You get and “A” for effort, but and “F” in competence. Boo on you.
Additionally, one would think that an infinite being could do something as simple as make sense. As it is, religion is so convoluted that no two groups can completely agree on what the same texts says. One might say “God is testing us,” but why would God test anyone if he supposedly knows the end from the beginning. Just one of many contradictions your supposedly “perfect being” displays.
To janine and anyone who adheres to his beliefs. By spreading you beliefs, should they be true, makes you a very evil person. You should go quietly to your grave. Doing so, you would save many souls from eternal hell. After all, you believe only those that heard your message and have rejected it will go to hell. So don’t inform people of your beliefs, that way they won’t go to hell for rejecting them since they never heard your message in the first place. Should you be right, it makes you a very evil spirit! Remember what Jesus said, those that try to save their souls will in the end lose their souls. Enough said – Call Ed.
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
“that way they won’t go to hell for rejecting them since they never heard your message in the first place.”
I can’t have peace with you when Jesus say’s you and Admed seem to agree of rejecting the truth that we “try to save our souls will in the end lose our souls.”
So, those with ears let them hear.
hyrocket, seriously, just FUCK OFF AND GO AWAY. We’ve already heard enough of your repetitive spewing from your evil book of fairy tales known as the bible.
Yes, just FUCK OFF AND GO AWAY. Got it yet?
Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them.
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