Love this site. It’s an oasis in this desert of reasonless, knowledgeless robots. (Well, there are SOME people here who have more of an overview and some experience with life outside “Godforsakenville”, so they help. If you wonder why I stay - I fell in love with a big-hearted mountain man/country boy who works with his family here. I just get away when I can.)

I am straight up straight, I like the women, all my porn is lesbian porn :) However, I am able to appreciate the male form too. I have no problem recognizing when a guy is hot. Doesn’t mean I want to sleep with him. I am comfortable with my sexuality and homosexuals don’t threaten me. My brother and a cousin (by marriage) are gay. If I guy hits on me, it doesn’t offend me. I am flattered. You know why? I know where I stand. And I am comfortable with it.

Frankly all this hand wringing the christians do over gayness is asinine. I would go so far as to say at this point in our evolution homosexuality is important for us, it curbs our exponential reproduction rate somewhat. I say, damn it, we need MORE gays. Us breeders are filling the damn place up and with the believers being so anti-science and starting so many wars we will fill this planet to the point of overflowing before we move out into space. Guys, face it, believers are the greatest threat facing the human race today!

Sorry about my misinterpretation. I’m glad UncleMidriff caught it as well. Thanks for the clarification and the thoughts. Historically, the focus makes sense. I guess this is just an illustration of why it’s a bad idea to take a 2000 year old book and apply it to modern times.

There is nothing in the bible that specifically talks about abortion, euthenasia, or similar issues. That was my _point_! The reason? Nobody lived long enough through terminal illnesses to worry about euthinasia, for instance, for it to be an important issue. Abortion was not only uncommon, but would have commonly killed the mother as well (considering the medical technology at the time).

The same thing can be said of gluttony. 2000 years ago, very few people had the resources to be gluttons. Even among the rich there were not too many gluttons, as it was still rare to have more than simply a healthy amount of food. (Never mind the fact that, if everyone around you is starving, you tend to eat something less as you see a normal amount of food as ‘lots’…) Sex, on the other hand, is something that everyone can do. And, considering that early Christians were surrounded by Greeks and Romans (whom it is commonly thought were quite OK with homosexual behavior), they most likely encountered a lot of behavior that went against this particular belief.

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This is something a bit different, just to show you how I’m thinking…

As an aside… It makes me think, maybe, part of the reason christians have such an issue with homosexuality may derive from this early exposure to a homosexually-charged society… In many late pre-Christian Roman documents, homosexual behavior is exalted even above heterosexual behavior. Perhaps what we see in Christianity is simply a backlash against that kind of thing?

I have been running on a slightly elevated levels of emotions and just whipped out those verses without following my normal rules of never writing nor saying anything while agitated, sorry.

But in bible, in OT, children under the age of one month are not counted by god. If a miscarriage happens due acts of another man in an accidental fashion and mother is unharmed even if baby aborts, then in gods eyes everything is alright. Should the mother die, then one is allowed to follow the life for a life punishment.

I cannot recall any exact wordings in the bible which would allow euthanasia but suicide is preferable to being killed by a woman Judges 9:XX (cannot recall XX exactly but was around 45-55) also suicide when you kill enemies is also considered to be good thing.

In Judges 16:29-30 the story of Sampson would actually justify christian suicide attacks.

Only reference I recall on top of my head which is against suicide is in Revelations but that is about god preventing people from avoiding torment by god. Not really about suicide now but during the end of the days.

Maybe I misread what The Outsider said, but I don’t think he was implying that the bible condemned abortion or euthanasia. What you wrote makes me think you thought he was implying that…if I’m mistaken, I apologize.

Anyway, I don’t know of any verse in the bible that specifically condemns either of those things. The closest thing I know of being used by pro-lifers is Psalms 139:13-14,

“13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. ”

They use that verse to imply that a fetus is, even at such an early stage, a creation of God and, as such, should not be destroyed; they argue that life begins at conception.

As for euthanasia, I have no idea what verse might be used to argue against it. I know that Catholics really frown upon suicide, and euthanasia would probably fall under the same category, but I don’t know what specific verses they use as a justification for prohibiting it.

Hosea 9:14
Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Not in the NT but then again, the scope turned from the chosen people to individuals making it troublesome to me to understand why people keep using OT when jesus was supposed to be a new beginning, would that not mean the old rules were to be ignored and people should follow the new set from there upon?

On euthanasia, god does not have mercy, bible is full of accounts where god mercilessly kills or orders people to kill others. There is no specific mention of euthanasia but apparently god is against mercy.

Jeremiah 13:14
And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

I think you’d have to move up the timeline to find abortion and the like. Augustine for sure, maybe even earlier. Just remember, it doesn’t have to be in the Bible to be Biblical :)

Not everyone had the money or resourses required to be a glutton, so not everyone could do it.

Okay, let’s see. About 80% of Americans are overweight, 55% are obese, and only about 2% are homosexual. It seems to me that most Americans do have the resources to be gluttons and the percent that are come awfully close to the percentage that have premarital sex. Also, the overweight number far outweighs all other sex related ’sins’. America is a society where most people have the resources to be gluttons and homosexuals. Most choose to be gluttons, very few ‘choose’ to be homosexual. Yet it is in America where we find fundamentalists screaming about the evils of homosexuality and not about the evils of gluttony to their mostly fat congregations.

Why the hell would he write about that 2000 years ago? It was never an issue then.He’s going to write about stealing your neighbours sheep or wife or land. Not about abortion, euthenasia, gluttony and such

Oh, they had gluttons in ancient times. By and large, they happened to be the rich and powerful, a class commonly targeted for ridicule by the disenfranchised masses for their sinful behaviors. Jesus himself spent most of his time preaching about the sins of power and wealth. Why not pile on the condemnation by adding the sin of gluttony?

Finally, I’d love to know where the ‘good’ book specifically condemns abortion and euthanasia. I’m not familiar with the verse(s).