I know I’ve been absent for quite some time and for that I apologize. But this news tip from Jeanine has delivered me from the depths of despair.
A cleric from the prestigious Egyptian university Al-Azhar has issued one of the most asinine fatwas that I have ever heard. First a little background on the matter. Islamic rule forbids Muslim men and women from being alone together. The assumption of course is that an illicit relationship must be occurring if a man and woman are alone whether at work or elsewhere.
To combat this injustice, Ezzat Attiya, head of the Al-Azhar’s Department of Hadith (teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) has decreed that if a man breastfeeds from a woman then a maternal bond is created, thus allowing the two to work together without raising suspicion of an illicit sexual relationship.
Now I’m not passing judgment on anyone, but having an adult male suckling from a woman sounds like an illicit sexual relationship to me or at least a kinky one :)
If you’re reading this one Mohamed I would love to hear you opinion on this one especially since you’re from Egypt. Hey, did you shoot some video on your vacation? I’d like to see it if that’s possible. Take care :)
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Goldziher’s suspicions about the authenticity of hadiths sprang from several observations. The material found in later collections makes no references to earlier written collections and uses terms in the isnads which imply oral transmission, not written sources. Moreover, the ubiquitous contradictory traditions, the apparent proliferation of hadiths in later collections not attested to in earlier ones, and the fact that younger Companions of Muhammad seem to have known more about him (that is, they transmitted more hadiths) than the older Companions who presumably knew the Prophet for a greater length of time, suggested to Goldizher that large-scale fabrication of hadiths took place.
As a result, Goldziher provides a significantly different version of the origin and development of hadith literature. Goldziher has no trouble accepting that the Companions preserved the words and deeds of their prophet after his death, and that these might have been recorded in written form in sahifas. In this way he remains very close to the Muslim interpretation of the development of hadith literature. He not only presumes that the Companions tried to preserve the sayings and judgments of Muhammad, but also that some of them likely did so in written form (that is, in sahifas). And, when these Companions passed on what they had heard and recorded to the next generation of Muslims, the use of the isnad began. But for Goldziher, the invention of and interpolation into hadiths also began very early, for both political and paraenetic reasons. And so mutually exclusive hadiths proliferated; “it is not surprising that, among the hotly debated controversial issues of Islam, whether political or doctrinal, there is not one in which the champions of the various views are unable to cite a number of traditions, all equipped with imposing isnads.”
With the rise of the `Abbasids the situation changed significantly, according to Goldziher. `Abbasid rule was more theocratic than the more secular “Arab paganism” of the Umayyads. Consequently, the new dynasty encouraged the development of the shari`a and even employed court theologians to advise the caliphs, some of whom themselves studied and participated in theological debates. This attempt to give public life a more religious character also involved giving official recognition to the sunna. The rise of the sunna had begun during the Umayyad period in part in opposition to the perceived wickedness of the time, but its supporters remained relatively ineffective until the advent of the `Abbasid revolution. The report that the Umayyad caliph `Umar II commissioned the first collection of hadiths must be dismissed as untrustworthy because of the number of contradictions in the account and the absence of references to Abu Bakr ibn Hazm’s work in later literature. For Goldziher, this claim is hagiographic, that is, “nothing but an expression of the good opinion that people had of the pious caliph and his love for the sunna.”
Goldziher maintains that, while reliance on the sunna to regulate the empire was favoured, there was still in these early years of Islam insufficient material going back to Muhammad himself. Scholars sought to fill the gaps left by the Qur’an and the sunna with material from other sources. Some borrowed from Roman law. Others attempted to fill these lacunae with their own opinions (ra’y). This latter option came under a concerted attack by those who believed that all legal and ethical questions (not addressed by the Qur’an) must be referred back to the Prophet himself, that is, must be rooted in hadiths. These supporters of hadiths (ahl al-hadith) were extremely successful in establishing hadiths as a primary source of law and in discrediting ra’y. But in many ways it was a Pyrrhic victory. The various legal madhhabs were loath to sacrifice their doctrines and so they found it more expedient to fabricate hadiths or adapt existing hadiths in their support. Even the advocates of ra’y were eventually persuaded or cajoled into accepting the authority of hadiths and so they too “found” hadiths which substantiated their doctrines that had hitherto been based upon the opinions of their schools’ founders and teachers. The insistence of the advocates of hadiths that the only opinions of any value were those which could appeal to the authority of the Prophet resulted in the situation that “where no traditional matter was to be had, men speedily began to fabricate it. The greater the demand, the busier was invention with the manufacture of apocryphal traditions in support of the respective theses.” The talab journeys which followed, during which the travellers sought to collect hadiths from the various centres of the Islamic empire, helped construct a more uniform corpus of extant hadiths out of the various disparate local collections.
Eventually, however there were reactions to this widespread fabrication of hadiths. Goldziher traces three such reactions to this phenomenon. Ironically, fabricated hadiths began to circulate in which Muhammad is made to condemn those who would fabricate hadiths about him. Others simply rejected the whole corpus of hadiths and referred only to the Qur’an. The third reaction was the one which arose among the traditionalists themselves and came eventually to dominate. They developed a means by which to evaluate the authenticity of any hadith. This method focussed not on the actual contents of the hadith (matn) but on the transmitters of the matn, that is, on the isnad. Goldziher seems to suggest that this critique was in nascent form already around 150 A.H.. Even with this type of examination, forgeries continued to be made through the manipulation of the isnad in somewhat more subtle ways. According to Goldziher, hadiths, which originally had isnads ending with Companions or Successors, were often extended back to the Prophet. That is ahadith mawqufa were transformed into ahadith marfu`a by tacking on the Prophet and any other necessary names to the end of the isnad. Isnads were also “tampered” with by the mu`ammarin—the long-lived ones. For Goldziher these were persons who pretended to have had direct contact with Muhammad even though this might mean that they would have to be well over a hundred years old (and at times hundreds of years old).
FYI, comment #101 is from a different ‘mohamed’ then the regular contributor that we are familiar with.
Plus, as is probably obvious, his comment is nothing more than copy-and-past plagiarism from another website. I managed to find the original webpage. The original source seems to be The Development of Exegesis in Early Islam: The Authenticity of Muslim Literature from the Formative Period By Herbert Berg.
Please, if you are going to quote large excerpts from elsewhere, consider using a hyperlink. At the very least, please credit the source
About breast feeding, i watched a tv show about that thing, and the Sheikh said that it was even in the Quran, but the goat ate that page while Mohammad was sick in his bed. Also i read in and Egyptian newspaper called “Alfajer” that many Muslims are leaving Islam because of this fatwa cause its really nonsense and it is not respectful for women.
Here is the link of the arabic newspaper:
http://www.elfagr.org/TestAjaxNews.aspx?secidMenu=1949 اضغظ على الشمال على اللنك السادسة Ùˆ التي تØمل Ù†Ùس موضوع العنوان
http://info.islamexplained.com/?tabid=548
My friend, this link that you provided is what call Yellow newspaper, you know when you go to wall mart, and you see magazine beside the cashier, that’s exactly what the magazine about, just to make a noise, and thy just telling lies.
ya well, but the main point is the subject itself… not its results. Since the breast feeding fatwa is not common sense. I mean this is sexual act so how a woman do that with all men around her just not wear the veil in front of them. I guess its better for her to not wear it and wear what ever she wants instead of letting a man suck on her breast… com’on
Did you read what some guy name mohamed, but it’s not me, he posted answer above, you can go up little bit and you will find the asnwer you seek.
about that subject our egyptian main council present that issue to be a low for all the public and that written at the official newspaper, i see that muslem business not any body else and that will apply for only muslims
about that subject our egyptian main council present that issue to be a law for all the public and that written at the official newspaper, i see that muslem business not any body else and that will apply for only muslims
In Islam, anyone can give a Fatwa, whatever their rank, position, opinion etc… In Arabic, the word Fatwa literally means “opinion”.
I will give a Fatwa right now: I like chocolate, so I think that everyone should eat chocolate for breakfast.
It is up to the individual to give Fatwas, and it is also up the individual to obey them.
Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.†[Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?†[Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
Jazakallah – all thanks to God, and thank you all for this opportunity to post these remarks.
shaanjohri@hotmail.com
Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.†[Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?†[Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
Jazakallah – all thanks to God, and thank you all for this opportunity to post these remarks.
shaanjohri@hotmail.com
Why is that so weird for people? I mean, we have sexual oddities here in the US …there are kink stores dedicated to men who want to act like babies in their adulthood and be breast-fed by their spouses. You have people excrete on one another’s chest, you have orgies, role playing, BDSM, snuff, etc. In Japan, they have woman eat eels, then vomit and then eat the vomit — and that’s seen as sexually satisfying.
While I agree it’s odd, and see it in conflict in Islam (Not all hadiths are authentic or strong — to check their authenticity, you have check consistencies with the Qur’an.), but I also say to the rest of you …those without sin, cast the first stone :).
get over it, guys.
First of all,
your full of shit!!! there is no way in hell that a fatwa like that was made. its just ASSHOLESSSSSSSSSSSS like you that make this shit up to give a bad name to islam and make muslims look like there idiots, when the only true idiots are people like you that make up this crap and the ignorant, and obviously uneducated people that believe it. do the world a favor and go kill yourself!!!
Bahahaha!
>.> For fuck’s sake, if they’re breastfeeding, and she didn’t have a child recently, they’ve been having some sort of affair for a while now, most likely.
I mean, you could use breast pumps or the drugs… but not many think of that.
Anyway, what I found particularly amusing is that this guy doesn’t know jack about AdultBreastFeedingRelationships. For the most part, this is something between longtime sexual partners, that they add for an additional layer of intimacy, not in a maternal fashion, just regular-ways.
Kin-ky
.Here is my answer for adult breastfeeding. First it is not allowed. The Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) has recommended for specific couple according to the scholars as the guy was his adopted son. Last the adult didnt suck the boobs of female but rather she poured her milk into a utensil and then the guy drink it. The above is mentioned in Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d.It is islamically not allowed to “expose one’s nakedness(awra) infront of non-muharam adult, let alone have him suckled”.
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