Here’s a little something that Jagannath sent to me and I thought I’d share it with all of you :)
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
3. Do not murder
4. Do not commit adultery
5. Do not steal
6. Do not give false testimony
7. Honor your father and mother
Today, a Christian, specifically a follower of Christ, confronted me as he quite often used that particular expression. He had heard me talk of the commandments on earlier time and this time he took his time to disagree with me in a shrill voice and flaring nostrils.
He kept disagreeing with me until the he was interrupted by the security who promptly escorted him out due his disruptive behavior. Apparently other clients of the establishment had made several complaints of his screaming and yelling, it scared the children. Truth to be told, I was not all that calm myself either as the word firebrand is quite apt in his case.
But his point could be easily condensed to two things, there are Ten Commandments in the bible and only those following them are followers of Christ. Now, my counter points were drowned by his antics but I decided to write about the commandments.
Now to me a follower of Christ is one who follows the New Testament. The Old Testament is mainly concerned of Judaism and of those that god decided to kill for one reason or another. That is the main point in my view of Christianity. You cannot follow both testaments but you have to choose or be merely religious groupie. You either follow the teachings of the Christ to be a so-called true Christian. You might disagree with the distinction, but as always it is your right.
Then to the actual commandments, the Old Testament versions are well known but those in need of a refreshment course can break open the book on Exodus 20:3-17. But are those Christian commandments or the commandments Jesus acknowledged?
I use the gospel by Matthew for references as it is most often used and frankly, the other gospels are quite alike, in a more terse form. So what is the first commandment by Jesus?
“‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ Jesus replied: ‘”Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’”
-Matthew 22:36-40
So number one is total devotional love of God followed by love your fellow man. And those are to be the basis for all else. Jesus actually mentions the love your fellow man in more than one occasion so one can say he like that one more.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.”
-Matthew 5:43-45
“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.”
-Matthew 7:12
“Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
-Matthew 19:19
Now the last one is other part of my reasoning for the number of commandments for Christians. It seems that Jesus followed only half of the commandments given by god, but such is the way with life, sons tend to want to improve upon the works of their fathers. Jesus told a man to keep the commandments to which the man promptly replied with a query, which? And the answer can be read above.
Clearly Jesus believed that they’re to be only five commandments worthy of following from the old set of ten. And I tend to agree, as those are good rules for all to follow, not killing, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying and honoring parents are good rules. The one rule Jesus seemed to be quite insistent on, love your neighbor, is always a good one to follow. He was actually so insistent on that command that he even wanted Christians to love their enemies and pray for them.
So there is only seven commandments by Jesus and of those, two are by Jesus while the rest are by god but the laws of Jesus are, at least according to the man himself, the two most important laws of all. Noticeable difference being between the two sets of commandments that all the strict laws of god reverence are gone and replaced with voluntary desire to love god.
Maybe if those would be the commandments Christians would follow, I might not have so much trouble with them as I do love my seafood and rounded beard.
–Jagannath
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November 15th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
Don’t we have any means to contact gosmonso through any other means. May be some friendly hacker can help.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
the FARK forums aren’t exactly well known for their sensible discussions…
A “third coming of Gasmonso” is what we need :)
November 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
I’d have a lot of discussion-worthy stuff to reference for updates, if I can send them to someone to be evaluated for posting. Interestingly enough, most of them come from FARK.com. So if you want to see more religious foolishness, that’s a good source, plus it has forums too.
November 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
“You have a bad habit of not reading my posts through.”
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black there chum… did you miss the bit where i mentioned that i went out beyond organised christianity or can you just not read?
“If you had you would remeber that I had warned you and others about ther very thing you went through concerning RELIGION. Because you were brought up in the midst of Christians, or shall we call them hypocrites, you think God is what they taught you. WRONG! There is no modern day religion that teaches God as He shows Himself in His holy word. Not one. They all preach a false God.”
And while i CAN understand your point, i ask you: and your ‘brand’ is any different how? If it talks like a christian, smells like a christian, it is a christian - regardless of the minute vagiaries of how you choose to brand/differentiate/name yourself. i think the above three posts adequately sum up all of our feelings. get over it, you are a christian of one flavour or another. your beliefs stem from the original trunk of organised religion (that had a hand in producing your sacred text) and could not have come completely of their own accord, therefore…
NOW WILL SOMEONE PLEASE CONTACT GASMONSO (Sid?) SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN KEEP UPDATING THIS SITE? k thx by :)
November 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
The discord of the verbose, yet strangely uncommitted towards disclosing answers, religous fundamentalist/mystic is truly baffling to me.
For one thing, the hatred of organized religions is very clear. Those are all false, creations of man etc etc etc. God can only be known personally and apparently at least self envisioned godhead has been reached.
But at the same time the evangelizing and writing own holy book keeps headbutting the claim of being against organized religions.
The constant referral of bible where christianity is believed to be false but older texts are right and yet still referring to the newer texts seems so fragmented, almost like some form of chicanery.
I would think if one believes in a personal god, one would not feel the need to force group belief aka organizational belief upon others.
With such a personal relationship the need for a bible also seems like an insecurity over the relationships. It is like a relationship where a person needs constant assurances about gods commitment.
What a complicated people the religious freaks can be. I truly do not understand why, specially religious, faith which is merely lack of action and just waiting, submitting oneself to the vagaries of chance is so popular?
November 14th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
From what I can gather, he claims the benefits and obligations of Christianity without the title, instead claiming to be, essentially, an ‘individual of personally determined faith’. As well spend his life planting and harvesting crops and claim not to be a farmer, but a ‘vegetation husbander’.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Still i don’t see any difference between you and other fundamentalists. You are referring to the same god, referring to the same Jesus, referring to the same bible, say the same prayers. May be you are not superficial like many other people but claiming that most of them have been misled is kind of an overstatement.
According to Webster Dictionary definition of religion is: (1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance.
Can you tell me how you don’t fit to this definition but others fit? I don’t see a logic in your statement that you are not religious. I know many people who claim to believe in god but are not at all religious but there is a big difference between you and them. They never accept bible or any scripture as true word as it has gone through tremendous changes because of manual interference. They read these scripture, try to segregate the lies from truth, try to assess the inner logic behind it, and then rely on their own understanding.
But you are very unique compared to those people. You accept Bible as a true word of god but you are not Christian or so called religious. Still i am very much confused with your logic. Can you throw some light on this?
November 14th, 2007 at 9:52 am
Jayman,
You have a bad habit of not reading my posts through. If you had you would remeber that I had warned you and others about ther very thing you went through concerning RELIGION. Because you were brought up in the midst of Christians, or shall we call them hypocrites, you think God is what they taught you. WRONG! There is no modern day religion that teaches God as He shows Himself in His holy word. Not one. They all preach a false God. So people like you stop believing in Him. I would too had I not been shown the truth in His word. You will not find one single church or mosque that leads you to the truth. Not one. But please stop telling us that God & religion are somehow connected. GOD ABHORS RELIGION. People need religion, not God. He says thier prayers, burnt offerings, and sacrifices are a stench in His nostrils. I thought I would try to clarify that just one more time to you Jayman.
Poor Irish….WRONG AGAIN!!! LMAO.
Jayman Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 12:34 am
Nice try, but not only was that post nothing to do with what i wrote (maybe you should become a politician, theyre also exceedingly good at responding without answering) but your weak mind seems to have forgotten that i have already delved into religion; born into a christian family, brought up a believer, and the book; became suspicious as to the deviations and disagreements within this organised religion and began to believe my own parts of it, or more specifically the teachings of jesus and that god if perfect could only be ‘good’ and full of love; studied the origins of the texts and the history of the abrahamic faiths to truly gain insight, and worked out for myself that its a complete crock and a bunch of lies used to supress people.
since that time, i havent looked back, and can be thankful that i broke the yoke of organised religions insipid hold on my psyche to get onto enjoying the one life i have and to make the best use of it - more than can be said of self serving, parasitic christians such as yourself. i can only hope you wake up before your life is over and in a sense ‘discover’ that there is no afterlife and your futile belief in mystical fairies has been a complete waste of the one life you had.
irishthunder Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 12:37 am
I already know what RRock is going to say:
“Well it’s not my fault youve lost god’s gift, im fine and happy that im going to heaven, yippeee!!!, oh yeah, hope you enjoy hellâ€
November 14th, 2007 at 12:37 am
I already know what RRock is going to say:
“Well it’s not my fault youve lost god’s gift, im fine and happy that im going to heaven, yippeee!!!, oh yeah, hope you enjoy hell”
November 14th, 2007 at 12:34 am
Nice try, but not only was that post nothing to do with what i wrote (maybe you should become a politician, theyre also exceedingly good at responding without answering) but your weak mind seems to have forgotten that i have already delved into religion; born into a christian family, brought up a believer, and the book; became suspicious as to the deviations and disagreements within this organised religion and began to believe my own parts of it, or more specifically the teachings of jesus and that god if perfect could only be ‘good’ and full of love; studied the origins of the texts and the history of the abrahamic faiths to truly gain insight, and worked out for myself that its a complete crock and a bunch of lies used to supress people.
since that time, i havent looked back, and can be thankful that i broke the yoke of organised religions insipid hold on my psyche to get onto enjoying the one life i have and to make the best use of it - more than can be said of self serving, parasitic christians such as yourself. i can only hope you wake up before your life is over and in a sense ‘discover’ that there is no afterlife and your futile belief in mystical fairies has been a complete waste of the one life you had.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Jayman
Have fun while you can! When you find out you were wrong it will be too late. Your mockery only brings you shame, it doesn’t faze me. You are another self proclaimed expert in a field you have never delved in, only surmised with your little bitty mind
November 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Gasmono?
November 13th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
blah blah blah. you seriously are a broken record.
im glad that through your own moral weakness you have found something that may potentially prevent you becoming a psychopathic murderer (though god seems to be a tad genocidal toward innocent people who simply werent lucky enough to be born as the chosen people).
the rest of us however, can see the difference between good and bad without the aid of an outdated book (someone else ‘wrote’ the rules, not ‘god’) that also tells you that god may ask you to kill your son, that you must stone your children to death for disobedience, and that you may sell your daughter off for prostitution.
and you’re right - you cant “give justice with mere words to the incredible journey and experience” re the kingdom of god - because you havent been there, dont KNOW anyone who has - unless you’ve forgotten to tell us you’re the messiah and have risen again. :)
BUT - you may have it all wrong too, and god may not like the way you have arrogantly chosen to interpret ‘the word’ and you’re actually on that path to the hell that you believe 5,999,999,999 people on this planet are headed.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:33 am
I didn’t make the rules smilingface. But if I were to give an educated guess, it would be to say that no one is truly “good”. That inherently man is evil, and self serving. It took the sacrifice of a perfect sinless man, the son of God, however far fetched it may seem, to save us. Then not all of us will be saved due to that evil in men’s hearts I spoke of. Funny thing is, I find it all a bit unbelievable, but only after I lowered my pride and confessed my need for salvation in pure faith were my eyes opened and I see so much that I was formerly blind to. The Kingdom of God is an incredible journey and experience that I cannot give justice to with mere words. I see life with both physical and spiritual eyes now, and I wouldn’t ever want to go back.. The thing that puzzles and stumps most unbelievers is that I have no religion or cult to lead you to. There is no one in charge or benefitting monetarily or otherwise from my faith, because it is mine alone. God gave it to me, just like He will make it personal for anyone who humbles themselves and asks. I abhor Christianity, for it reeks of man, and mammon. I seve God apart from the hypocrisy of modern day religions.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:28 am
@RRock
Can you answer one question? Why is believing in god so important? Why can’t being a good person enough to guarantee an eternal life?
November 13th, 2007 at 8:47 am
RRock Says:
November 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
As you revel in your mockery remember this, “God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. If he sows to the flesh he will reap from the flesh destruction. If he sows to the spirit, he will reap from the spirit eternal life.â€
Choose you this day IRISH, death or eternal life.
irishthunder Says:
November 13th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Your little book is giving you a lot of confidence you really don’t deserve. If your little god can’t deal with some mocking or insults then he can’t be much of a god.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Your little book is giving you a lot of confidence you really don’t deserve. If your little god can’t deal with some mocking or insults then he can’t be much of a god.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
As you revel in your mockery remember this, “God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. If he sows to the flesh he will reap from the flesh destruction. If he sows to the spirit, he will reap from the spirit eternal life.”
Choose you this day mockers, death or eternal life.
November 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
It is no wonder God calls you “swine” and warns his followers not to share the word with you for it is the same as putting pearls on a pig! Reading your rantings confirms the word of God once again! If you only knew how often scriptures already exposed you fools long before you opened your mouths! LMAO!
November 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
The ability to quote is NOT a serviceable substitute for wit.
November 12th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Fuck jesus he doesn’t exist people go search for a lilfe instead of doing nothing but sitting in the church on sunday, dont know why people ghet get so freaked from a book
November 12th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Thats just about it really.
“Im right, because I say I am, and therefore I’m right and everyone else in the world is wrong.”
Seriously, there’s something far from well with this guy in his head. How much longer before this rampant arrogant egomaniac goes one better and announces he is a prophet, messiah or god (him)self? He cant even recognise his own behaviour in his own words.
November 12th, 2007 at 1:35 am
November 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
nice quote, how about:
“the ignorant man cannot understand the things of science and fact, so they explain it away using fantasy and fiction.”
November 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
“The natural man cannot understand the things of God, and they are foolishness to him, for they are spiritually appraised.”
November 11th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
ahhh - I understand now.
“You must be wrong, because I’m obviously right.”
Thanks for clarifying.
November 11th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Andras, it’s quite simple really.
“This book is right it is the one I believe in. I believe in it because this book is right.”
…. yes, I know….
November 11th, 2007 at 7:01 am
One thing that I’ve always wondered about, and RRock here has brought it up again (about a thousand times so far) is how one version of any religious book is better than another?
For instance, as RRock seems to enjoy pointing out, one book is considered (by him at least) the true word of god. And all the other variations are no better than cheap romance novels and obviously aren’t the true word of god. Does this mean that the ones that have been referred to as the true word of god just appeared somewhere, dropping out of a cloud fully written? I seem to recall that all bibles are just compilations of various stories, fables and explanations that were put together at some point to create common talking points for priests.
And sure, consider this as flamebait. But on the other hand, I am a bit curious.
November 10th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Translation:
“My point of argument cannot stand up to critical examination, therefor is will not discuss it with you, for fear of losing”
November 9th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
RRock, thanks for the info on your bible i will add that to my bible coleection, email me…
hyrocketmissions@gmail.com
November 9th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Hello???? Anybody really in there blasphemer? When did I ever try to “convince” you of anything, let alone that God is truth & Hell is very real. It has been my contention from the start that if y’all want to deny Christ, and burn in eternal torment that is okay. I am not a Christian so I don’t feel responsible for your souls, since that is something Christians, not God said. I am accountable to tell the truth as presented to us through the written word of God. That is what I do. Like the comedian said as he portrayed Satan welcoming people to Hell, “Athiests over here, and Christians over here please.”
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.â€
Um. No. You see, I have absolutely no faith in anything whatsoever. My mindset it rooted in logic and statistics, not belief that something that may or may not be true, is a fundamental truth of the universe.
I can be convinced otherwise, I just haven’t seen a damn thing other than ‘I’m right and you’re going to burn if you disagree.’ If your God pops up and tosses around a few miracles, maybe cures all of the horrific diseases he’s so fond of allowing to ravage the world, then I’ll believe. Show me a logical argument that gives your deity better than a 50/50 chance of existing, and then we’ll be getting somewhere.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Thats pretty damn clever of him, in a sad way. Either way, hes no different than the muslim spammers.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Hello irishthunder,
Actually, RRock is using his own words. RRock is B.E.Elias. He’s using gasmonso’s blog to publish his book piecemeal style.
I also suspect that he’s not genuine, but a cleaver satirist who gets some pleasure out of posting flamebait. I could be wrong, but those are my suspicions.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
“Anyone with average inteligence can see that you are the pot calling the kettle black Blaspemer. Your words judge you first, and find you guilty.
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.”
Um. No. You see, I have absolutely no faith in anything whatsoever. My mindset it rooted in logic and statistics, not belief that something that may or may not be true, is a fundamental truth of the universe.
I can be convinced otherwise, I just haven’t seen a damn thing other than ‘I’m right and you’re going to burn if you disagree.’ If your God pops up and tosses around a few miracles, maybe cures all of the horrific diseases he’s so fond of allowing to ravage the world, then I’ll believe. Show me a logical argument that gives your deity better than a 50/50 chance of existing, and then we’ll be getting somewhere.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
if you dont have anything to say in YOUR OWN WORDS dont bother bother copy-and-pasting from your many useless books.
November 9th, 2007 at 10:24 am
BAAL-JESUS
Whenever you hear a Modern day Christian talk about Jesus, chances are pretty good it is not the Jesus in the bible. Oh they will insist he is but when you examine the traits of the Jesus they serve it is clear that they are serving a false Christ, hence the name Baal-Jesus.
Baal is a name given to many false gods throughout the Old Testament. Baal means “lord†and refers to a god created by man to take the place of the One True God on earth. While any true believer knows you cannot replace God, mankind has been doing so in their own sight for generations. In order to comprehend who Baal-Jesus is, one must first look into the creation of a false god. First of all, a false god is made in the likeness or image of a known entity. The Modern Day Christian Jesus has many palatable characteristics of the biblical Jesus. What is sorely missing is the True Christ’s strong hand. Baal-Jesus never yells or gets disgusted with sin. The Jesus in the bible took a bullwhip to the multitudes defiling the temple buying and selling goods. A bullwhip is no laughing matter, and undoubtedly Jesus used it properly to administer some serious chastisement! Today’s Christian can go shopping for books and music, or purchase a fancy coffee concoction right in the church. Baal-Jesus says it’s okay. The Jesus in the bible told sinners who repented and turned to Him, “Go your way and sin no more.†Christians today will tell you their Jesus (Baal) will simply look the other way over and over, like the energizer bunny, never holding them accountable for their sin. According to the word of God, the real Jesus warns us that to follow Him is to forsake all. The world will not like you nor will you have a life of peace and contentment. He says you will be refined by fire, and tribulation shall often be your companion. Baal-Jesus, on the other hand promises to bless you with financial abundance, great health, a good life, and here’s the best part: in the rapidly approaching end times, he will “rapture†you out of the earth so you will not suffer nor endure any tribulation. How convenient, but totally untrue. Those who seek the real Truth know that in the end times God will use the persecution and suffering to define His children and seperate us from the followers of Baal. “To live is Christ, and to die is gainâ€. “Though He slay me, I shall yet praise Himâ€.
You see, a false god will always promise its followers something just out of their reach, a dream or reward that no one can truly testify to, but is always a dangling carrot. You will hear a great many tales of prosperity and miracles, yet you will notice it never happens when you’re around, or to you directly. Baal-Jesus looks like the real Christ, he mimics many of the same words, he is promoted as the Messiah, yet one cannot deny there is too much missing from his character to be the One. If Christians served the True Christ, Yeshua called Jesus, they would have to completely change their lifestyle and dismantle their churches. Sin would be a bad thing and repentance would rule. The fear of the Lord would replace their boastful arrogant claims about loving God, and being, “under grace.†No longer would they be required to merely “tithe†a certain percentage of their money but rather, “everyone shared everything and no one had need of anything.†Church would be a place for equipping the disciples of Christ to go out and share the good news of salvation from sin, and the gospel of eternal life, not the Cheyenne Social Club. The true Savior, Jesus Christ of the bible tells us, “If you love me obey my commandmentsâ€. That means all TEN for starters! Baal-Jesus tells Christians to disregard the fourth Commandment, and not to honor The Sabbath on the seventh day, or not at all. In fact, if you scored a modern day Christian on the Ten Commandments, a vast majority would break seven or eight on a regular basis. Their Baal-Jesus says it’s okay because he died so they could sin. Just take a close look at any professed Christian’s life to confirm what I just wrote.
The true Jesus also warns us that we must bear fruit to stay on His vine. The bible gives us many examples of this spiritual fruit. The first and most important is when we repent, or change your heart and mind about sin. Baal-Jesus gets around all this by saying, “Come as you are, and STAY THAT WAY. You don’t have to change a thing. Just say a prayer (The Sinner’s Prayer) swearing loyalty to me and you’re all set for this life and eternity.†Baal-Jesus followers love to teach that he came to negate the Ten Commandments, and there remains only two. Then they don’t even keep those two!
Jesus Christ, the Messiah spoken of in the Bible says, “come as you are, TURN from your sin and wickedness, be born again into a new lifeâ€. “Old things have passed away, Behold, new things have comeâ€. He will not sit back and allow you to continue sinning willfully and using His name in vain. That is exactly what a majority of modern day Christians do, then they blame it on Baal-Jesus, who has given them liberty to do so. Through the course of this book you will find many more references and examples of Modern Day Christians’ Baal-Jesus.
Excerpt from the book SPIRITUAL REALITY by B.E.Elias
November 8th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Alcari, you have hit the nail. Really RRock has not provided any argument for us to ponder upon. If RRock really wants us to give some thought to his approach, then he needs to provide what exactly is his perspective and how it is different from other Christians.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
RRock, here’s a surprise for you, but unless you start arguing your views, there’s very little else to do BUT go ad hominem. While you have the luxury of responding to our arguments, we don’t, seeing how you don’t offer any.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:06 am
If I am a nightmare it is only because I stand firm in the truth. Unlike Christians who manipulate the word of God for selfish reasons. They are no better than you for your manipulations of the truth.
I seriously doubt if the person who runs this board will block me as “spam”, and even the mere suggestion of that really shows your ignorance and weakness.
As for jag’s blathering, if nothing else, a right relationship with God and His son Yeshua, you would recieve wisdom. Something you obviously lack greatly from reading your senseless posts.
If my statements are directed towards the person then how are you and I so different smilingface? You are quite the hypoctites! I am surprised you’re not Christians, you certainly have the same mentality!
November 8th, 2007 at 5:25 am
Maybe he is just a troll but if you have friends or family who are addicts, is it fair to just ignore them? And are unknown addicts any less worthy of the help?
Addicts of all kinds need help as most of them are unable to pull themselves from the mire they have managed to get into. They seldom even realize their deep affliction and see others to be the ones with problems instead. It is true that addicts never get over it unless they want it themselves but other people are needed to make them see they have an addiction.
Certain type of people do not use pharmaceutical drugs but their addiction is as real and perhaps even worse as when chemical imbalance is corrected you have a good chance of kicking the habit. If you have no external effectors which forces your behaviour then the addiction is so much more difficult to get over, it is ingrained into psyche.
Such cases are plentiful in the world but they all have similar responses as addicts of pharmaceutical products. They offer the drug of their choice to others and present it in glowing colours and get angry and hostile when their drug is put into bad light or showed to be mere crutch for weak egos. Some extreme cases might even see any rational and sane view as direct assault on themselves as at that point the drug and person are so intrinsically intertwined that it is hard to say where one starts and another ends.
November 7th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Who is RRock? He is atheist’s worst nightmare. He is a kind of person who closes his ears and keeps on shouting you are going to hell, you don’t see how god is all around you, read the bible to know god, and that too at top of his voice. I don’t understand what makes him come here. As far i remember, he has not given any argument to justify his belief. He doesn’t even claim himself to be a normal christian (though i don’t see any difference between him and a fundamental christian). He is not ready for any meaningful discussion. Actually his arguments are directed towards the person rather than their views (ad hominem).
November 7th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
LOL Jayman… you’re funny!
November 7th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
WHERE IS GASMONSO?!!
WE NEED GASMONSO!!
…to please block this losers IP address! im beginning to think he’s actually just an athiest troll trying to make christians look bad.
this really is arguing with a spam bot - we can read its gobbledigook well enough though it makes bugger-all sense… the replies we get seem to have f-all to do with the price of eggs, and end up pointlessly spamming up the board.
BRING BACK GASMONSO!
November 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Well, at least in hell I would be in good company where conversations would be most invigorating :)
November 7th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
There can be no real discussion when one party, that is you, continues to add uncredible “facts’ to the argument. I have never nor will I chase after these empty excuses for truth, and am quite confident in there being one word of God which in spite of many “versions’ it still condemns your godless ass to Hell eternally. Every cult and religion has roots that began with a truth from Holy Scriptures, that evetually became parts of the bible. It is far from contradictary, rather it is like no other book in that it has so many authors over a 5,000 to 6,000 year time span that interconnect and flow together in a way that only God could do. “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
November 7th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Most entertaining ire and hellfire from an aramaic primacy fan but Authorized King James Version is the official name for the KJV. Version number being unclear but mere fact that it needs versions sort of undercuts the whole idea of infallibility.
Personally I find the Peshitta bible to be just one bible amongst the many but lacking credibility just as others. The explanations that the angle of an aramaic letter changes the meaning which is often thrown around is also one of the top ten reasons why bible cannot be divine.
if there is difference in the contents of two different bibles, like KJV and Peshitta, which one is the proper one and if neither is then all bibles are as suspect of being false.
But if you have not heard of the ‘Sinner’s bible’ then there is no use of talking of bibles. I have leafed through one of the copies and lo and behold “Thou shalt commit adulteryâ€. It was quite an interesting to read as was the ‘Place-makers’ Bible’ which states;
November 7th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Of all the empty allegations against God’s word, that was probably the lamest Jag. You will never find a version of the bible which was not tampered with by the ungodly, that has that nonsense in it. Never. That kind of ludicrous charge resembles the claim that there remains only one “missing link” to prove evolution.
Jagannath Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Oh marvellous :) KJV is the version of a bible which used to contain the commandment “Thou shalt commit adulteryâ€.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
Anyone with average inteligence can see that you are the pot calling the kettle black Blaspemer. Your words judge you first, and find you guilty.
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.
November 7th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Jag
No wonder among the ignorant you are a gem! I know nothing of an “Authorized version” that you claim I use! Try this from the one and only translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta, the Ancient Eastern Text;
“However, O man, who are you to question God? Shall the thing formed say to him who formed it, Why have you made me like this?
This tranlation is unequalled in it’s accuracy. It is the one I read every day. Seems to have a haunting familiarity to the King James, Eh?
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.
November 7th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Oh marvellous :) KJV is the version of a bible which used to contain the commandment “Thou shalt commit adultery”.
The KJV or Authorized King James Version is not the best, far from it, it is probably the most popular but if popularity would equal divinity then Elvis truly is The King.
Even the name alone makes me wonder its validity, it is called a ‘version’ which means there are other versions of the texts which are equally true, neh?
November 7th, 2007 at 8:35 am
Romans 9:20, “Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?”
This was taken from the King James Version of the bible. Jayman probably has been reading yet another watered down version.
The BEST part is that God is still God, the bible is still true, and there remains an eternal damnation for those of you who deny Christ, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.â€
November 7th, 2007 at 4:51 am
The sentence ‘Then whence cometh evil?’ simply says that able and willing god, not exercising his ability and willingness is evil. And bible does say that all evil is from the god.
What Paul wrote in the Romans 9:20 is a simple concept,
You sure have taken that to the heart.
November 6th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
“Some people don’t believe in global warming either so get a clue. The BEST part is that God is still God, the bible is still true, and there remains an eternal damnation for those of you who deny Christ, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.”
Unlike religion, Global Warming isnt about belief, its about evidence, so that was a pretty crappy analogy. but then you god botherers have always had an allergy to proof, rationality, consistency etc in favour of close minded dogma. funnily enough, what you BELIEVE isnt even universally believed within your own religion (let alone the fact that there are other religions with as many followers that BELIEVE you are wrong) so youve decided upon your own arbitary self-determined view within and everyone else outside this must be wrong. ha, shrinks would have a field day with your ego.
“If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?”
Sums it up perfectly. If there really was a God, i think we would have a slightly better argument for its existence from the entity itself, not some lucky dip to be born into the correct religion, or a ridiculously contradictory text filled with the most vile and imperfect sentiments. i’d really expect a better effort from my perfect god.
“In fact i am more happy now than i was when i was a theist. I have made my destination without any incentive of going to heaven and that itself gives me a lot of satisfaction that i am doing a selfless deed.”
yup, same here. it comes as no surprise that plenty/most christians are greatly lacking in compassion and true morals.
November 6th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
Bios, My Brother, how you doing? you still here? Thanks for sharing that link to that church. it is encouraging that you listen to it, too.
Smilingface…”In fact i am more happy now than i was when i was a theist”.
Thanks Smilingface… I am glad you are happy. I just want to share the scriptures with you. I hope one day that it will prick your heart and remember it, that’s all.
November 6th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
@RRock
It is quite obvious that you don’t claim yourselves to be a normal christian but i still don’t understand what is the thing that separates you from other Christians. I see you hold the bible as infallible as others do, you say Jesus is the sole way to attain salvation like others do, you say we are going to hell for not believing in Christ as others do. I don’t see any difference between you and other fundamentals. By the way i am not a christian, even from birth, nor my parents are a christian. Just happens to be that you get more response from Christian in these type of sites, so you tend to give response the way they understand.
@Michael
I am not at all depressed for being an atheist. I just wanted to tell that being atheist is not a fun. In fact i am more happy now than i was when i was a theist. I have made my destination without any incentive of going to heaven and that itself gives me a lot of satisfaction that i am doing a selfless deed.
November 6th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Jag,
“Who are you mere man to talk back to God?” “Does the thing created say to the one who created it, ‘Why did you make me this way?’”.
Why should God “prevent evil?” Is it so you can go on being as you are and none would then recognize evil?
Try as you may, you will never be able to define God.
November 6th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
November 6th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Some people don’t believe in global warming either so get a clue. The BEST part is that God is still God, the bible is still true, and there remains an eternal damnation for those of you who deny Christ, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. It must be a tough pill to swallow, but no attempt at intellectual mainpulation of words will ever change the truth. And again, I don’t care what you think of me or my God. have fun in Hell gentlemen. By the way, did you notice that there is a great chasm fixed between Heaven and Hell, and your eternal torment will be in great part the knowledge that you could have had what you see across the chasm, but you were too busy mocking the Lord’s anointed, and His holy word while you lived on earth.
November 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
I always get a kick out of it when a god person resorts to quotes from their particular holy book in a religious debate. It is absolutely hilarious. Hey fella, get a clue. We don’t believe your book was written by anything other than another deluded individual. Idiot.
Smilingface: I disagree with part of your response. The depressing parts. As far as we have been able to determine, we are special on this planet. We are the sole creature that is able to understand its environment to the degree we have. We have something that no other animal we have seen has: MIND. Sure, it often is used poorly, or not at all like in the case of Rrock. However, some people put the tool to good use. No other animal creates art. We are pretty special, even with our flaws. I find it pretty awesome.
November 6th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
It strikes peculiar to me that someone who claims that christianity to be false is so eager to offer exerpts from it.
Specially from a gospel of Luke which is deemed by some as the most humanistic in nature and with quite a dash of socialistic teachings.
Originally it seemed interesting to see someone who revelled in the fact that his god was cruel, racistic and misogynistic. But lately the interest keeps fading as there is no coherency in the expressed views.
November 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
I’d say the rich man is the rich man and Lazarus is Lazarus.
If you’re going to try and make us feel guilty via Bible passage, at least try something intelligible.
November 6th, 2007 at 9:00 am
Who here is the rich man, and who is Lazarus?
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
November 6th, 2007 at 8:57 am
smilingface.
I am sorry you had to be so turned off to God because of Christians and that is obvious. The mistake you made was that you became a Christian, instead of following God. While I vehemently disagree with you I can still appreciate you well thought out response. Quite different from the ignorant, vile insults that spew out of Jayman. He is what even the Muslims call the infidel, he is that stupid. He doesn’t even rate a direct response from me for I will not converse with a mongrel.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:39 am
@Jayman
I don’t think there is really a point in trying to give some advice to RRock. I always feel when a person starts to take ad-hominem technique (you are going to hell and blah blah blah) to support his theory, it’s time to leave the discussion. It’s impossible to make him realize our point of view because he is in no way to even give it a thought. He knows he is superior and will stick to it no matter how ridiculous it may seem to us. Let’s leave RRock in his world. We know that we have given ample thought in this matter to decide our stance on the subject. We have always considered our chance of going to hell. With all considerations taken into account, we have changed our stance and we are going to be this way unless something drastically changes. I don’t think RRock can ever claim anything like that. He is amongst few lucky persons who has got a personal relationship with Jesus (even i thought i had a personal relationship with God once but i know it was just a delusion). We are some kind of inferior beings and god won’t let his divine influence on us.
People think as if we atheist have a choice of being an atheist, as if we we don’t like the idea of an all knowing, all good, all powerful person personally taking care of us, as if we don’t like the idea that somebody who we can expect to do miracles in times of trouble. In the present age, i think most of the atheist have been brought up in religious environment. Actually i was very much interested in subjects relating to god, which made me do lot of research and it was really a big and depressing shock to know that all of my efforts were futile. We are atheist because there is not evidence of any supernatural being. All the things around us are run by laws of nature, which is totally impartial being, which doesn’t care about our troubles, about our happiness, about death, about birth. It’s totally dumb and as emotionless as one can think.
It’s really depressing to think that our existence is nothing but a result of some random mutation and some chemical reaction, which is governed by some laws of physics. It is really depressing that we are not even a spec in this vast universe and our existence doesn’t have any relevance in this universe. It is also depressing that our existence has no purpose whatsoever. It is depressing to know that our duration of existence is so less compared to the whole universe and we will be missing the most part of this cycle. So that clearly shows that being an atheist is not an easy thing and it’s better to be a theist.
But truth is of prime importance and there is no point in running away from truth. If we don’t have a purpose of existence, let us make a good purpose ourselves to make this world a better place to live for our future generation. Let us stop fighting, war, hatred and try to reduce the harm caused by us and then try to increase the amount of happiness that we can distribute. Let us try to make this nature more livable rather than polluting it. Let us try to make optimum use of resources so that future generations are not left with nothing. Let us learn to coexist with all sorts of species rather than making them homeless and leading them to extinction.
The greatest complaint i have with religion is that it gives us an impression that human being is superior to all forms of species (maybe we are) and other forms of life are just made to help our existence or for enjoyment. We need to change this mentality of I-I to we-we to make this world a better place.
November 6th, 2007 at 1:24 am
Dude, will you piss off already? You said yourself you came in here to try and read stuff out of your book, or did you forget that? If you dont care about us, then seriously man, take a hint. you are living a lie in your own deluded world - i guess the 6 billion of the rest of us just dont ‘get it’ in the way you do must be wrong, so either you’re going to be the only one in heaven, or put 2 & 2 together and you realise that you arent so right after all.
there’s no such thing as the lord, yours or the one in the bible - its all just pretend. like the tooth fairy and santa claus. the sooner you work this out, the sooner you can use what you have left of your one life to atually do something of positive benefit to humanity and not just wanking off your own ego-centrically personally invented belief system to people who can clearly see you arent quite right in the head.
November 5th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Michael,
What part of my story gave you the impression that I wanted, or even remotely intended to try and touch your heart? Honestly man, your utter hatred and rantings have absolutely no effect on me. You are bound for eternal damnation, torment beyond even your depraved imagination—FOREVER. & I don’t care. Go to Hell if you wish you blind butthead. I almost could laugh but it really is sad that you are so stupid. Unlike Christians, I don’t have a paid minister telling me I’m supposed to try and “win your soul” for God.
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
RRock, thanks for sharing your testimony with us. It is great to know a person, who loves Our Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus.
Rock, you have encouraged me to continue to stand strong and share the truth.
God Bless you, my Brother.
I wish to show gasmonso Gods plan of salvation for his life and his family.
God Bless gasonso and the USMC.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
DAMMIT
where is gasmonso?!
I want an update!
these loonies have long since lost their appeal. its like having a conversation with a spam bot.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Hey Rrock, thanks for sharing that moving story with us. I felt I was reading a Jack Chick tract, I laughed, I cried, I hated myself.
Of course I am kidding. That silly little story is the same story all the bible goons tell. You made a deal with god, huh? What kind of psycho thinks they could make a deal with a supposed divine entity that could end your life with only the smallest thought. You people crack me up. I am glad for one thing, that your power base is mostly gone. 80% of Americans believe in god? Yea, but 75% of them do it for show. They do it on sunday and on monday they are back to the same old life.
Oh, and one more thing. You profess to not be a christian, just a bible boy. So, this must mean, since you don’t believe in the jesus stuff, that you limit yourself to the old testiment. If this is the case, you are even more crazy than I originally thought. THAT particular book is a fantasy written by psychotics that dreamed of a merciless, bloodthirsty, evil beast of a deity. The old testiment has to be among the most evil and vile pieces of trash ever committed to the written page. If YOU believe in that, then YOU are also a vile and evil person, and I stand by my statement that you should be locked up before you can harm anyone with your disgusting preaching.
Just ask me how I really feel.
November 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Alcari Says:
November 3rd, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Rrock:
Haha, Well it seems that we at least get to amuse each other, seeing how there will be intelligent conversation when hell freezes over (pun intended)
I merely wonder why you’re here? if you don’t even want to share your views with people here, you’re basically here for our personal amusement. While that is working rather well, it’s getting old.
So, I don’t feel especially eleveated over other people, I just asumed that someone who went through the trouble of finding a website that discusses religion to… I don’t know… have a discussion? It seems that that is not such a normal thing to asume after all.
Alcari,
I myself do not know why or how I came across this site. I was only looking to share the chapters from my book & ended up in a pile of atheists. The book is written to seekers, and it’s purpose is to expose the hypocrisy of Christianity. So I apologize for not discussing some things with you but I have always steered away from antagonistic behavior, and in this case I seemed to have failed!
November 3rd, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Blasphemaster,
I think my problem here is the frustration or complication in being called a Christian. Christians are cult religion followers, and I am an independant believer in the bible as the written word of God. His word says no one comes to the Savior unless the father calls him, and that by the Spirit drawing him. I was a doorman, or “bouncer” in a club. I guess you could say I had the world by the ass, so to speak. Not a care, plenty of fine women and good drugs.I wasn’t hooked on anything and could take it or leave it any given night. I rented a place right across the way from the club where I worked which made for an easy after work date. I was very fit physically, and trained in hand fighting. I’m 6′5″ and weigh 240, still not much fat, and was also in excellent health. That’s the funny part about the change in my life, I didn’t think I needed anything. Then I began dating this friend of my younger sister, and met her mother. Every night when I brought her home, the mom and I would sit and talk in the kitchen. She shared with me her faith, and I felt something calling me from within. I was drawn to seek a deeper truth. So one nightafter I got home I prayed to God. I said “God, I sure like what I see in that family, the inner peace and confidence they have”. “I believe there is a Heaven & a Hell, and I want to go to Heaven”. “I’ll make a deal with you, I’ll give you my life and you come in my life amd show me how to live and I’ll live for you”. Or something like that, it was 26 years ago so I may be paraphrasing. Well at that moment I felt a peace like I never knew before course through me. I began to weep, and I remember saying “Thank you God” over & over till I fell asleep. The next morning I awoke and knew I was different. I actually felt like a new person. I didn’t run off and join the lady’s church, but I did begin to read the bible, and the Spirit gave me understanding. I could go on but the original question was what made me decide and the only answer I can think of is the God of the bible, the creator of all things, called me, and drew me.
November 3rd, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Rrock:
Haha, Well it seems that we at least get to amuse each other, seeing how there will be intelligent conversation when hell freezes over (pun intended)
I merely wonder why you’re here? if you don’t even want to share your views with people here, you’re basically here for our personal amusement. While that is working rather well, it’s getting old.
So, I don’t feel especially eleveated over other people, I just asumed that someone who went through the trouble of finding a website that discusses religion to… I don’t know… have a discussion? It seems that that is not such a normal thing to asume after all.
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 pm
“RRock Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Blasphemaster Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 am
Ia Ia! Cthulhua Ftaghn!
Michael if Blasphemaster is what you call normal & I am crazy then we know and understand what you are. Thankfully there are forums like this one to help you feel a kinship and bonding with other complete misfits like you appear to be. Poor sap.”
It’s called humor. Try reading Call of Cthulhu sometime.
There is one question I’d like you to answer.
What made you decide to be Christian?
November 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Deluded this one is new to me, but i accept it. I am a kuffar and a goyium(?)…
I know a truth that is different and I know the truth you know as truth.
A new title applies to me… Deluded:)
that my friends, is cool…
I praise my Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.
Have a great weekend everyone!!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Just curious Balsphemer is there a question you really want answered or will it be another immature ploy to and attempt at insulting me? I have been assuming the latter.
Blasphemaster Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Mohamed was a stubborn fool, but at least he was willing to provide coherent conversation and dialog instead of stating that he was correct and we’d all burn for thinking otherwise.
RRock, what is your point here? It seems that all you have done is tell us that we’re sinners who are going to burn in hell for not believing in your god. Are you going to pose any actual questions or answer any of those asked of you? We can’t really get an understanding of you as anyone but a stubborn fanatic unless we TALK here. As in the conversation goes somewhere. Please?
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Blasphemaster Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 am
Ia Ia! Cthulhua Ftaghn!
Michael if Blasphemaster is what you call normal & I am crazy then we know and understand what you are. Thankfully there are forums like this one to help you feel a kinship and bonding with other complete misfits like you appear to be. Poor sap.
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Michael Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:03 am
Wow. Just… wow. That RRock person is absolutely insane. I mean bat shit crazy. He actually scares the hell out of me, it is wackos like that in Salem that burned “the witchesâ€, fruits like that ran the Crusades and the Inquisition. The guy should be slapped in a love me jacket and tossed into a rubber room before he does someone else some harm (couldn’t give two shits what he does to himself).
The Michael Hyrocket guy seems to be pretty harmless. Deluded as you would expect a god person to be, but basically harmless.
I go away for a few weeks and the crazies come out of the woodwork!
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Michael,
I am quite certain that if we took a poll of average people outside this forum they would undoubtedly agree that your words are far more severe and dangerous than mine. Do any of you antagonists ever bother to read what you write? You guys are priceless!
Michael Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:03 am
Wow. Just… wow. That RRock person is absolutely insane. I mean bat shit crazy. He actually scares the hell out of me, it is wackos like that in Salem that burned “the witchesâ€, fruits like that ran the Crusades and the Inquisition. The guy should be slapped in a love me jacket and tossed into a rubber room before he does someone else some harm (couldn’t give two shits what he does to himself).
The Michael Hyrocket guy seems to be pretty harmless. Deluded as you would expect a god person to be, but basically harmless.
I go away for a few weeks and the crazies come out of the woodwork!
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 am
Ia Ia! Cthulhua Ftaghn!
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:03 am
Wow. Just… wow. That RRock person is absolutely insane. I mean bat shit crazy. He actually scares the hell out of me, it is wackos like that in Salem that burned “the witches”, fruits like that ran the Crusades and the Inquisition. The guy should be slapped in a love me jacket and tossed into a rubber room before he does someone else some harm (couldn’t give two shits what he does to himself).
The Michael Hyrocket guy seems to be pretty harmless. Deluded as you would expect a god person to be, but basically harmless.
I go away for a few weeks and the crazies come out of the woodwork!
November 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 am
Hello Michael,
I’m not sure, since I’ve never met an atheist who hates life. I’m also not sure what qualifies as ‘atheist’ wisdom. Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the beliefs of the source. Even a paranoid schizophrenic can utter something wise.
Thus, I can only answer your question in the hypothetical and give an attempt at wisdom. First I’d try to determine why this person hates life and offer an alternative, more optimistic interpretation of the underlying cause. I’d then likely point out and even do some life-affirming things, such as backpacking. Lastly, I’d enter into a philosophical discussion with the aim of demonstrating the beautiful absurdity of being a thinking, self-aware being in a largely unconscious universe. I would emphasize the intrinsic value such a being has as a result of being so rare and the resulting moral duty we have to protect those beings, including ourselves.
I hope this answers your question.
November 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 am
I am curious, what would you say to an atheist, who hates life, etc..
what atheist wisdom would you give a person of your kind and encourage them to love life?
I ask this as a friend and i am not to judge your answer, but to understand, from a atheist point of view.
thanks.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Guys, here a link to a cnn.com clip about a lighter found.
Title “Long lost lighter found” Aubrey Kyle, 81 years old.
He said that he stopped smoking in 1978 and his wife say’s she would throw the lighter back in the ocean if he starts smoking agian… she is funny and a cool wife.
I hope you guys appreciate this because the lighter was lost and now found. You my friends are more valuable then this lighter. This is just my thought for you, today.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/11/01/barnard.ca.long.lost.wwii.lighter.found.kxtv
November 1st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
for me, “to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”
November 1st, 2007 at 11:18 pm
We basically have three main antagonists here, and you have amused yourselves into thinking you are somehow superior to others who do not respond as you demand they should. In your own sight you must be quite elevated, yet in the scope of life as God has set forth, you are nothing, and that must really hurt.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:15 pm
And so the word was correct once again,”Do not feed to the dogs what belongs to the children.” My bad gentlemen, or should I say doggies.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pm
“Poor Jayman, still sroking his ego thinking I ever tried to convince him of anything. I could care less what you accept, or are “convinced†of. Have fun in Hell.”
dude, is engish not your first language or something? because although your words are theoretically coherent to read, youre not actually saying anything of meaning. at all. your replies have nothing to do with either what you just said yourself, or what you have been asked by others.
But hey look though, thanks for your concern. If there was such a thing as the human conceived hell, i will enjoy my time there because apparently i’ll be in excellent company! Although I’m an ex-christian atheist now, if there was this ‘perfect’ god, i reckon they’d be looking after intelligent, compassionate non-judgemental people like myself rather than petty, ignorant, bigotted cold-hard-dogmatic blind-faith fuelled by nothing more than fear of punishment or promises of afterlife candy treats people like yourself! There are plenty of your own faith that would believe that youre headed to hell anyway, so enjoy wasting your time hanging out with fake moralising phoneys with bad haircuts and no physical friends.
xx
November 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Blasphemaster, he doesn’t care about that
RRock is just a petty bored man/woman who either gets a kick out of his own mistaken feeling of superiority, or he’s just stupid to hold an actual coversation.
He doesn’t care about anyone’s understanding, and aside from him getting some kind of wierd rush from reading his own words on the internet, getting the feeling he might still make a difference in the word, I really can’t image any reason for him to be here.
I might be wrong though, but from what Rrock has shown here, I don’t think I am.
so, in an effort to continue the conversation on his level: Cthulhu will come and eat us all, if you worship and sacrifice to Him and the Great Old Ones, you might be lucky and get eaten first. IA Ctulhu IA Shub Niggurath.
November 1st, 2007 at 2:50 pm
c’mon guys, you’re just romanticizing now. mohammed was impossible to convince of anything, and always maintained that he was 100% right. and he couldn’t speak english.
November 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Bloody Christ on a splintered toothpick you guys are right.
Mohamed was a stubborn fool, but at least he was willing to provide coherent conversation and dialog instead of stating that he was correct and we’d all burn for thinking otherwise.
RRock, what is your point here? It seems that all you have done is tell us that we’re sinners who are going to burn in hell for not believing in your god. Are you going to pose any actual questions or answer any of those asked of you? We can’t really get an understanding of you as anyone but a stubborn fanatic unless we TALK here. As in the conversation goes somewhere. Please?
November 1st, 2007 at 11:58 am
The trouble with all of the antagonists on this blog is you have succeeded thus far into goading posters into answering to you on demand. With this servant of God you have run into a wall for I have no inner need to defend my God, nor insist you believe in Him. If you want to die and be eternally damned that is your perogative. You mock the word of God just like God said you would through the Prophets. None of this is a surprise to me. All told your scepticism and disbelief stems from the hypocrisy of the Christian religion which has reached it’s boiling point, which is what I am called to expose. I don’t blame you for how you feel yet you will still be condemned to Hell if you die in this particular sin.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:52 am
smilingface,
keep seeking. you’ll get it.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:50 am
Poor Jayman, still sroking his ego thinking I ever tried to convince him of anything. I could care less what you accept, or are “convinced” of. Have fun in Hell.
Jayman Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 12:33 am
“Re-read my last post to you. Perhaps you missed it. LOLâ€
Umm, yeah dude. good line. you’ve convinced everyone with that.
*backs away slowly*
November 1st, 2007 at 5:25 am
And jag is correct, Mohamed was waaay better. Just goes to show, you can ALWAYS do worse.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:24 am
Allow me to provide a free translation from:
From the Alcari “Biblical crap –> English” translator:
Translation:
Go away with your arguments, I believe because I believe and am incapable of defending my side the argument.
November 1st, 2007 at 12:33 am
“Re-read my last post to you. Perhaps you missed it. LOL”
Umm, yeah dude. good line. you’ve convinced everyone with that.
*backs away slowly*
October 31st, 2007 at 10:24 pm
@RRock
You are spending too much of time saying us that we should read the bible carefully and understand it. To be very frank, many people here have read bible but to be very honest it’s better you take bible literally rather than imposing your own understanding on various contradiction. How do you know that your understanding is better than the literal interpretation? I assume God is not going to punish you for interpreting Bible literally. May be you are wrong in your understanding and why risk your soul just because you tried to interpret bible literally. You have fooled yourselves big time that you have reconciled the contradiction with your own understanding. You have not even answered to the question that why do you think your interpretation is better than literal interpretation.
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.” Proverbs 3:5.
October 31st, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Irish, Too bad for you I am not called to enlist you in the Kingdom of God. If you wish to burn in Hell, Feel free! It is no skin off my back. I am not one of those idiot Christians who think I need to defend God, or try and convince you to go to Heaven. You can go to Hell if you so desire dude, I don’t really care. Honest.
irishthunder Says:
October 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pm
“I ASSUME YOU DO NOT LIKE TO READ THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD SO AS TO UNDERSTAND HIM IN HIS FULNESS?â€
Im guessing your refering to the bible as the entire word of god. Let me just say when i started to question my faith i made a point to read the bible cover to cover. It took three weeks,(i usually read around three books a week) and i officially understood how horrible of a book the bible is. In the words of Penn Jillete:
“Read the damn bible, not because its a good book, but because we need more athiestsâ€