Here’s a little something that Jagannath sent to me and I thought I’d share it with all of you :)
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
3. Do not murder
4. Do not commit adultery
5. Do not steal
6. Do not give false testimony
7. Honor your father and mother
Today, a Christian, specifically a follower of Christ, confronted me as he quite often used that particular expression. He had heard me talk of the commandments on earlier time and this time he took his time to disagree with me in a shrill voice and flaring nostrils.
He kept disagreeing with me until the he was interrupted by the security who promptly escorted him out due his disruptive behavior. Apparently other clients of the establishment had made several complaints of his screaming and yelling, it scared the children. Truth to be told, I was not all that calm myself either as the word firebrand is quite apt in his case.
But his point could be easily condensed to two things, there are Ten Commandments in the bible and only those following them are followers of Christ. Now, my counter points were drowned by his antics but I decided to write about the commandments.
Now to me a follower of Christ is one who follows the New Testament. The Old Testament is mainly concerned of Judaism and of those that god decided to kill for one reason or another. That is the main point in my view of Christianity. You cannot follow both testaments but you have to choose or be merely religious groupie. You either follow the teachings of the Christ to be a so-called true Christian. You might disagree with the distinction, but as always it is your right.
Then to the actual commandments, the Old Testament versions are well known but those in need of a refreshment course can break open the book on Exodus 20:3-17. But are those Christian commandments or the commandments Jesus acknowledged?
I use the gospel by Matthew for references as it is most often used and frankly, the other gospels are quite alike, in a more terse form. So what is the first commandment by Jesus?
“‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ Jesus replied: ‘”Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’”
-Matthew 22:36-40
So number one is total devotional love of God followed by love your fellow man. And those are to be the basis for all else. Jesus actually mentions the love your fellow man in more than one occasion so one can say he like that one more.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.”
-Matthew 5:43-45
“So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.”
-Matthew 7:12
“Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
-Matthew 19:19
Now the last one is other part of my reasoning for the number of commandments for Christians. It seems that Jesus followed only half of the commandments given by god, but such is the way with life, sons tend to want to improve upon the works of their fathers. Jesus told a man to keep the commandments to which the man promptly replied with a query, which? And the answer can be read above.
Clearly Jesus believed that they’re to be only five commandments worthy of following from the old set of ten. And I tend to agree, as those are good rules for all to follow, not killing, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying and honoring parents are good rules. The one rule Jesus seemed to be quite insistent on, love your neighbor, is always a good one to follow. He was actually so insistent on that command that he even wanted Christians to love their enemies and pray for them.
So there is only seven commandments by Jesus and of those, two are by Jesus while the rest are by god but the laws of Jesus are, at least according to the man himself, the two most important laws of all. Noticeable difference being between the two sets of commandments that all the strict laws of god reverence are gone and replaced with voluntary desire to love god.
Maybe if those would be the commandments Christians would follow, I might not have so much trouble with them as I do love my seafood and rounded beard.
–Jagannath
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The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.
Jag
No wonder among the ignorant you are a gem! I know nothing of an “Authorized version” that you claim I use! Try this from the one and only translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta, the Ancient Eastern Text;
“However, O man, who are you to question God? Shall the thing formed say to him who formed it, Why have you made me like this?
This tranlation is unequalled in it’s accuracy. It is the one I read every day. Seems to have a haunting familiarity to the King James, Eh?
Anyone with average inteligence can see that you are the pot calling the kettle black Blaspemer. Your words judge you first, and find you guilty.
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.
Of all the empty allegations against God’s word, that was probably the lamest Jag. You will never find a version of the bible which was not tampered with by the ungodly, that has that nonsense in it. Never. That kind of ludicrous charge resembles the claim that there remains only one “missing link” to prove evolution.
Jagannath Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Oh marvellous :) KJV is the version of a bible which used to contain the commandment “Thou shalt commit adulteryâ€.
Most entertaining ire and hellfire from an aramaic primacy fan but Authorized King James Version is the official name for the KJV. Version number being unclear but mere fact that it needs versions sort of undercuts the whole idea of infallibility.
Personally I find the Peshitta bible to be just one bible amongst the many but lacking credibility just as others. The explanations that the angle of an aramaic letter changes the meaning which is often thrown around is also one of the top ten reasons why bible cannot be divine.
if there is difference in the contents of two different bibles, like KJV and Peshitta, which one is the proper one and if neither is then all bibles are as suspect of being false.
But if you have not heard of the ‘Sinner’s bible’ then there is no use of talking of bibles. I have leafed through one of the copies and lo and behold “Thou shalt commit adulteryâ€. It was quite an interesting to read as was the ‘Place-makers’ Bible’ which states;
There can be no real discussion when one party, that is you, continues to add uncredible “facts’ to the argument. I have never nor will I chase after these empty excuses for truth, and am quite confident in there being one word of God which in spite of many “versions’ it still condemns your godless ass to Hell eternally. Every cult and religion has roots that began with a truth from Holy Scriptures, that evetually became parts of the bible. It is far from contradictary, rather it is like no other book in that it has so many authors over a 5,000 to 6,000 year time span that interconnect and flow together in a way that only God could do. “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Well, at least in hell I would be in good company where conversations would be most invigorating :)
WHERE IS GASMONSO?!!
WE NEED GASMONSO!!
…to please block this losers IP address! im beginning to think he’s actually just an athiest troll trying to make christians look bad.
this really is arguing with a spam bot – we can read its gobbledigook well enough though it makes bugger-all sense… the replies we get seem to have f-all to do with the price of eggs, and end up pointlessly spamming up the board.
BRING BACK GASMONSO!
LOL Jayman… you’re funny!
Who is RRock? He is atheist’s worst nightmare. He is a kind of person who closes his ears and keeps on shouting you are going to hell, you don’t see how god is all around you, read the bible to know god, and that too at top of his voice. I don’t understand what makes him come here. As far i remember, he has not given any argument to justify his belief. He doesn’t even claim himself to be a normal christian (though i don’t see any difference between him and a fundamental christian). He is not ready for any meaningful discussion. Actually his arguments are directed towards the person rather than their views (ad hominem).
Maybe he is just a troll but if you have friends or family who are addicts, is it fair to just ignore them? And are unknown addicts any less worthy of the help?
Addicts of all kinds need help as most of them are unable to pull themselves from the mire they have managed to get into. They seldom even realize their deep affliction and see others to be the ones with problems instead. It is true that addicts never get over it unless they want it themselves but other people are needed to make them see they have an addiction.
Certain type of people do not use pharmaceutical drugs but their addiction is as real and perhaps even worse as when chemical imbalance is corrected you have a good chance of kicking the habit. If you have no external effectors which forces your behaviour then the addiction is so much more difficult to get over, it is ingrained into psyche.
Such cases are plentiful in the world but they all have similar responses as addicts of pharmaceutical products. They offer the drug of their choice to others and present it in glowing colours and get angry and hostile when their drug is put into bad light or showed to be mere crutch for weak egos. Some extreme cases might even see any rational and sane view as direct assault on themselves as at that point the drug and person are so intrinsically intertwined that it is hard to say where one starts and another ends.
If I am a nightmare it is only because I stand firm in the truth. Unlike Christians who manipulate the word of God for selfish reasons. They are no better than you for your manipulations of the truth.
I seriously doubt if the person who runs this board will block me as “spam”, and even the mere suggestion of that really shows your ignorance and weakness.
As for jag’s blathering, if nothing else, a right relationship with God and His son Yeshua, you would recieve wisdom. Something you obviously lack greatly from reading your senseless posts.
If my statements are directed towards the person then how are you and I so different smilingface? You are quite the hypoctites! I am surprised you’re not Christians, you certainly have the same mentality!
RRock, here’s a surprise for you, but unless you start arguing your views, there’s very little else to do BUT go ad hominem. While you have the luxury of responding to our arguments, we don’t, seeing how you don’t offer any.
Alcari, you have hit the nail. Really RRock has not provided any argument for us to ponder upon. If RRock really wants us to give some thought to his approach, then he needs to provide what exactly is his perspective and how it is different from other Christians.
BAAL-JESUS
Whenever you hear a Modern day Christian talk about Jesus, chances are pretty good it is not the Jesus in the bible. Oh they will insist he is but when you examine the traits of the Jesus they serve it is clear that they are serving a false Christ, hence the name Baal-Jesus.
Baal is a name given to many false gods throughout the Old Testament. Baal means “lord†and refers to a god created by man to take the place of the One True God on earth. While any true believer knows you cannot replace God, mankind has been doing so in their own sight for generations. In order to comprehend who Baal-Jesus is, one must first look into the creation of a false god. First of all, a false god is made in the likeness or image of a known entity. The Modern Day Christian Jesus has many palatable characteristics of the biblical Jesus. What is sorely missing is the True Christ’s strong hand. Baal-Jesus never yells or gets disgusted with sin. The Jesus in the bible took a bullwhip to the multitudes defiling the temple buying and selling goods. A bullwhip is no laughing matter, and undoubtedly Jesus used it properly to administer some serious chastisement! Today’s Christian can go shopping for books and music, or purchase a fancy coffee concoction right in the church. Baal-Jesus says it’s okay. The Jesus in the bible told sinners who repented and turned to Him, “Go your way and sin no more.†Christians today will tell you their Jesus (Baal) will simply look the other way over and over, like the energizer bunny, never holding them accountable for their sin. According to the word of God, the real Jesus warns us that to follow Him is to forsake all. The world will not like you nor will you have a life of peace and contentment. He says you will be refined by fire, and tribulation shall often be your companion. Baal-Jesus, on the other hand promises to bless you with financial abundance, great health, a good life, and here’s the best part: in the rapidly approaching end times, he will “rapture†you out of the earth so you will not suffer nor endure any tribulation. How convenient, but totally untrue. Those who seek the real Truth know that in the end times God will use the persecution and suffering to define His children and seperate us from the followers of Baal. “To live is Christ, and to die is gainâ€. “Though He slay me, I shall yet praise Himâ€.
You see, a false god will always promise its followers something just out of their reach, a dream or reward that no one can truly testify to, but is always a dangling carrot. You will hear a great many tales of prosperity and miracles, yet you will notice it never happens when you’re around, or to you directly. Baal-Jesus looks like the real Christ, he mimics many of the same words, he is promoted as the Messiah, yet one cannot deny there is too much missing from his character to be the One. If Christians served the True Christ, Yeshua called Jesus, they would have to completely change their lifestyle and dismantle their churches. Sin would be a bad thing and repentance would rule. The fear of the Lord would replace their boastful arrogant claims about loving God, and being, “under grace.†No longer would they be required to merely “tithe†a certain percentage of their money but rather, “everyone shared everything and no one had need of anything.†Church would be a place for equipping the disciples of Christ to go out and share the good news of salvation from sin, and the gospel of eternal life, not the Cheyenne Social Club. The true Savior, Jesus Christ of the bible tells us, “If you love me obey my commandmentsâ€. That means all TEN for starters! Baal-Jesus tells Christians to disregard the fourth Commandment, and not to honor The Sabbath on the seventh day, or not at all. In fact, if you scored a modern day Christian on the Ten Commandments, a vast majority would break seven or eight on a regular basis. Their Baal-Jesus says it’s okay because he died so they could sin. Just take a close look at any professed Christian’s life to confirm what I just wrote.
The true Jesus also warns us that we must bear fruit to stay on His vine. The bible gives us many examples of this spiritual fruit. The first and most important is when we repent, or change your heart and mind about sin. Baal-Jesus gets around all this by saying, “Come as you are, and STAY THAT WAY. You don’t have to change a thing. Just say a prayer (The Sinner’s Prayer) swearing loyalty to me and you’re all set for this life and eternity.†Baal-Jesus followers love to teach that he came to negate the Ten Commandments, and there remains only two. Then they don’t even keep those two!
Jesus Christ, the Messiah spoken of in the Bible says, “come as you are, TURN from your sin and wickedness, be born again into a new lifeâ€. “Old things have passed away, Behold, new things have comeâ€. He will not sit back and allow you to continue sinning willfully and using His name in vain. That is exactly what a majority of modern day Christians do, then they blame it on Baal-Jesus, who has given them liberty to do so. Through the course of this book you will find many more references and examples of Modern Day Christians’ Baal-Jesus.
Excerpt from the book SPIRITUAL REALITY by B.E.Elias
if you dont have anything to say in YOUR OWN WORDS dont bother bother copy-and-pasting from your many useless books.
“Anyone with average inteligence can see that you are the pot calling the kettle black Blaspemer. Your words judge you first, and find you guilty.
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.”
Um. No. You see, I have absolutely no faith in anything whatsoever. My mindset it rooted in logic and statistics, not belief that something that may or may not be true, is a fundamental truth of the universe.
I can be convinced otherwise, I just haven’t seen a damn thing other than ‘I’m right and you’re going to burn if you disagree.’ If your God pops up and tosses around a few miracles, maybe cures all of the horrific diseases he’s so fond of allowing to ravage the world, then I’ll believe. Show me a logical argument that gives your deity better than a 50/50 chance of existing, and then we’ll be getting somewhere.
Hello irishthunder,
Actually, RRock is using his own words. RRock is B.E.Elias. He’s using gasmonso’s blog to publish his book piecemeal style.
I also suspect that he’s not genuine, but a cleaver satirist who gets some pleasure out of posting flamebait. I could be wrong, but those are my suspicions.
Thats pretty damn clever of him, in a sad way. Either way, hes no different than the muslim spammers.
Hello???? Anybody really in there blasphemer? When did I ever try to “convince” you of anything, let alone that God is truth & Hell is very real. It has been my contention from the start that if y’all want to deny Christ, and burn in eternal torment that is okay. I am not a Christian so I don’t feel responsible for your souls, since that is something Christians, not God said. I am accountable to tell the truth as presented to us through the written word of God. That is what I do. Like the comedian said as he portrayed Satan welcoming people to Hell, “Athiests over here, and Christians over here please.”
Blasphemaster Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 11:32 am
The problem here is that it seems RRock is truly faithful in his beliefs. He believes what he believes, and nothing is going to change that. That is faith. That is belief.
No amount of evidence or discourse is going to convince him to question his beliefs. Which is truly horrifying.â€
Um. No. You see, I have absolutely no faith in anything whatsoever. My mindset it rooted in logic and statistics, not belief that something that may or may not be true, is a fundamental truth of the universe.
I can be convinced otherwise, I just haven’t seen a damn thing other than ‘I’m right and you’re going to burn if you disagree.’ If your God pops up and tosses around a few miracles, maybe cures all of the horrific diseases he’s so fond of allowing to ravage the world, then I’ll believe. Show me a logical argument that gives your deity better than a 50/50 chance of existing, and then we’ll be getting somewhere.
RRock, thanks for the info on your bible i will add that to my bible coleection, email me…
hyrocketmissions@gmail.com
Translation:
“My point of argument cannot stand up to critical examination, therefor is will not discuss it with you, for fear of losing”
One thing that I’ve always wondered about, and RRock here has brought it up again (about a thousand times so far) is how one version of any religious book is better than another?
For instance, as RRock seems to enjoy pointing out, one book is considered (by him at least) the true word of god. And all the other variations are no better than cheap romance novels and obviously aren’t the true word of god. Does this mean that the ones that have been referred to as the true word of god just appeared somewhere, dropping out of a cloud fully written? I seem to recall that all bibles are just compilations of various stories, fables and explanations that were put together at some point to create common talking points for priests.
And sure, consider this as flamebait. But on the other hand, I am a bit curious.
Andras, it’s quite simple really.
“This book is right it is the one I believe in. I believe in it because this book is right.”
…. yes, I know….
ahhh – I understand now.
“You must be wrong, because I’m obviously right.”
Thanks for clarifying.
“The natural man cannot understand the things of God, and they are foolishness to him, for they are spiritually appraised.”
nice quote, how about:
“the ignorant man cannot understand the things of science and fact, so they explain it away using fantasy and fiction.”
Thats just about it really.
“Im right, because I say I am, and therefore I’m right and everyone else in the world is wrong.”
Seriously, there’s something far from well with this guy in his head. How much longer before this rampant arrogant egomaniac goes one better and announces he is a prophet, messiah or god (him)self? He cant even recognise his own behaviour in his own words.
Fuck jesus he doesn’t exist people go search for a lilfe instead of doing nothing but sitting in the church on sunday, dont know why people ghet get so freaked from a book
The ability to quote is NOT a serviceable substitute for wit.
It is no wonder God calls you “swine” and warns his followers not to share the word with you for it is the same as putting pearls on a pig! Reading your rantings confirms the word of God once again! If you only knew how often scriptures already exposed you fools long before you opened your mouths! LMAO!
As you revel in your mockery remember this, “God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. If he sows to the flesh he will reap from the flesh destruction. If he sows to the spirit, he will reap from the spirit eternal life.”
Choose you this day mockers, death or eternal life.
Your little book is giving you a lot of confidence you really don’t deserve. If your little god can’t deal with some mocking or insults then he can’t be much of a god.
RRock Says:
November 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
As you revel in your mockery remember this, “God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. If he sows to the flesh he will reap from the flesh destruction. If he sows to the spirit, he will reap from the spirit eternal life.â€
Choose you this day IRISH, death or eternal life.
irishthunder Says:
November 13th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Your little book is giving you a lot of confidence you really don’t deserve. If your little god can’t deal with some mocking or insults then he can’t be much of a god.
@RRock
Can you answer one question? Why is believing in god so important? Why can’t being a good person enough to guarantee an eternal life?
I didn’t make the rules smilingface. But if I were to give an educated guess, it would be to say that no one is truly “good”. That inherently man is evil, and self serving. It took the sacrifice of a perfect sinless man, the son of God, however far fetched it may seem, to save us. Then not all of us will be saved due to that evil in men’s hearts I spoke of. Funny thing is, I find it all a bit unbelievable, but only after I lowered my pride and confessed my need for salvation in pure faith were my eyes opened and I see so much that I was formerly blind to. The Kingdom of God is an incredible journey and experience that I cannot give justice to with mere words. I see life with both physical and spiritual eyes now, and I wouldn’t ever want to go back.. The thing that puzzles and stumps most unbelievers is that I have no religion or cult to lead you to. There is no one in charge or benefitting monetarily or otherwise from my faith, because it is mine alone. God gave it to me, just like He will make it personal for anyone who humbles themselves and asks. I abhor Christianity, for it reeks of man, and mammon. I seve God apart from the hypocrisy of modern day religions.
blah blah blah. you seriously are a broken record.
im glad that through your own moral weakness you have found something that may potentially prevent you becoming a psychopathic murderer (though god seems to be a tad genocidal toward innocent people who simply werent lucky enough to be born as the chosen people).
the rest of us however, can see the difference between good and bad without the aid of an outdated book (someone else ‘wrote’ the rules, not ‘god’) that also tells you that god may ask you to kill your son, that you must stone your children to death for disobedience, and that you may sell your daughter off for prostitution.
and you’re right – you cant “give justice with mere words to the incredible journey and experience” re the kingdom of god – because you havent been there, dont KNOW anyone who has – unless you’ve forgotten to tell us you’re the messiah and have risen again. :)
BUT – you may have it all wrong too, and god may not like the way you have arrogantly chosen to interpret ‘the word’ and you’re actually on that path to the hell that you believe 5,999,999,999 people on this planet are headed.
Gasmono?
Jayman
Have fun while you can! When you find out you were wrong it will be too late. Your mockery only brings you shame, it doesn’t faze me. You are another self proclaimed expert in a field you have never delved in, only surmised with your little bitty mind
Nice try, but not only was that post nothing to do with what i wrote (maybe you should become a politician, theyre also exceedingly good at responding without answering) but your weak mind seems to have forgotten that i have already delved into religion; born into a christian family, brought up a believer, and the book; became suspicious as to the deviations and disagreements within this organised religion and began to believe my own parts of it, or more specifically the teachings of jesus and that god if perfect could only be ‘good’ and full of love; studied the origins of the texts and the history of the abrahamic faiths to truly gain insight, and worked out for myself that its a complete crock and a bunch of lies used to supress people.
since that time, i havent looked back, and can be thankful that i broke the yoke of organised religions insipid hold on my psyche to get onto enjoying the one life i have and to make the best use of it – more than can be said of self serving, parasitic christians such as yourself. i can only hope you wake up before your life is over and in a sense ‘discover’ that there is no afterlife and your futile belief in mystical fairies has been a complete waste of the one life you had.
I already know what RRock is going to say:
“Well it’s not my fault youve lost god’s gift, im fine and happy that im going to heaven, yippeee!!!, oh yeah, hope you enjoy hell”
Jayman,
You have a bad habit of not reading my posts through. If you had you would remeber that I had warned you and others about ther very thing you went through concerning RELIGION. Because you were brought up in the midst of Christians, or shall we call them hypocrites, you think God is what they taught you. WRONG! There is no modern day religion that teaches God as He shows Himself in His holy word. Not one. They all preach a false God. So people like you stop believing in Him. I would too had I not been shown the truth in His word. You will not find one single church or mosque that leads you to the truth. Not one. But please stop telling us that God & religion are somehow connected. GOD ABHORS RELIGION. People need religion, not God. He says thier prayers, burnt offerings, and sacrifices are a stench in His nostrils. I thought I would try to clarify that just one more time to you Jayman.
Poor Irish….WRONG AGAIN!!! LMAO.
Jayman Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 12:34 am
Nice try, but not only was that post nothing to do with what i wrote (maybe you should become a politician, theyre also exceedingly good at responding without answering) but your weak mind seems to have forgotten that i have already delved into religion; born into a christian family, brought up a believer, and the book; became suspicious as to the deviations and disagreements within this organised religion and began to believe my own parts of it, or more specifically the teachings of jesus and that god if perfect could only be ‘good’ and full of love; studied the origins of the texts and the history of the abrahamic faiths to truly gain insight, and worked out for myself that its a complete crock and a bunch of lies used to supress people.
since that time, i havent looked back, and can be thankful that i broke the yoke of organised religions insipid hold on my psyche to get onto enjoying the one life i have and to make the best use of it – more than can be said of self serving, parasitic christians such as yourself. i can only hope you wake up before your life is over and in a sense ‘discover’ that there is no afterlife and your futile belief in mystical fairies has been a complete waste of the one life you had.
irishthunder Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 12:37 am
I already know what RRock is going to say:
“Well it’s not my fault youve lost god’s gift, im fine and happy that im going to heaven, yippeee!!!, oh yeah, hope you enjoy hellâ€
Still i don’t see any difference between you and other fundamentalists. You are referring to the same god, referring to the same Jesus, referring to the same bible, say the same prayers. May be you are not superficial like many other people but claiming that most of them have been misled is kind of an overstatement.
According to Webster Dictionary definition of religion is: (1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance.
Can you tell me how you don’t fit to this definition but others fit? I don’t see a logic in your statement that you are not religious. I know many people who claim to believe in god but are not at all religious but there is a big difference between you and them. They never accept bible or any scripture as true word as it has gone through tremendous changes because of manual interference. They read these scripture, try to segregate the lies from truth, try to assess the inner logic behind it, and then rely on their own understanding.
But you are very unique compared to those people. You accept Bible as a true word of god but you are not Christian or so called religious. Still i am very much confused with your logic. Can you throw some light on this?
From what I can gather, he claims the benefits and obligations of Christianity without the title, instead claiming to be, essentially, an ‘individual of personally determined faith’. As well spend his life planting and harvesting crops and claim not to be a farmer, but a ‘vegetation husbander’.
The discord of the verbose, yet strangely uncommitted towards disclosing answers, religous fundamentalist/mystic is truly baffling to me.
For one thing, the hatred of organized religions is very clear. Those are all false, creations of man etc etc etc. God can only be known personally and apparently at least self envisioned godhead has been reached.
But at the same time the evangelizing and writing own holy book keeps headbutting the claim of being against organized religions.
The constant referral of bible where christianity is believed to be false but older texts are right and yet still referring to the newer texts seems so fragmented, almost like some form of chicanery.
I would think if one believes in a personal god, one would not feel the need to force group belief aka organizational belief upon others.
With such a personal relationship the need for a bible also seems like an insecurity over the relationships. It is like a relationship where a person needs constant assurances about gods commitment.
What a complicated people the religious freaks can be. I truly do not understand why, specially religious, faith which is merely lack of action and just waiting, submitting oneself to the vagaries of chance is so popular?
“You have a bad habit of not reading my posts through.”
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black there chum… did you miss the bit where i mentioned that i went out beyond organised christianity or can you just not read?
“If you had you would remeber that I had warned you and others about ther very thing you went through concerning RELIGION. Because you were brought up in the midst of Christians, or shall we call them hypocrites, you think God is what they taught you. WRONG! There is no modern day religion that teaches God as He shows Himself in His holy word. Not one. They all preach a false God.”
And while i CAN understand your point, i ask you: and your ‘brand’ is any different how? If it talks like a christian, smells like a christian, it is a christian – regardless of the minute vagiaries of how you choose to brand/differentiate/name yourself. i think the above three posts adequately sum up all of our feelings. get over it, you are a christian of one flavour or another. your beliefs stem from the original trunk of organised religion (that had a hand in producing your sacred text) and could not have come completely of their own accord, therefore…
NOW WILL SOMEONE PLEASE CONTACT GASMONSO (Sid?) SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN KEEP UPDATING THIS SITE? k thx by :)
I’d have a lot of discussion-worthy stuff to reference for updates, if I can send them to someone to be evaluated for posting. Interestingly enough, most of them come from FARK.com. So if you want to see more religious foolishness, that’s a good source, plus it has forums too.
the FARK forums aren’t exactly well known for their sensible discussions…
A “third coming of Gasmonso” is what we need :)
Don’t we have any means to contact gosmonso through any other means. May be some friendly hacker can help.