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	<title>Comments on: Kevin Tackles George Carlin&#8217;s Take On Religion</title>
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	<description>Have faith in yourself</description>
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		<title>By: Korgan</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-436860</link>
		<dc:creator>Korgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 72, love like this?:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

What a fucking ASSHOLE your god would be, if it actually existed. Glad it doesn't.

&lt;i&gt;Religion is ridiculous.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 72, love like this?:</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html" rel="nofollow">http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html</a></p>
<p>What a fucking ASSHOLE your god would be, if it actually existed. Glad it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><i>Religion is ridiculous.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Missus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow guys, you dont have to be religious or Christian to show some respect. 
i appreciate the information above, kevin :)
as for the nonbelievers, i totally undestand your point of views. that's why I'm not gonna argue.
God will reveal Himself to the non believers eventually. just embrace his love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow guys, you dont have to be religious or Christian to show some respect.<br />
i appreciate the information above, kevin :)<br />
as for the nonbelievers, i totally undestand your point of views. that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not gonna argue.<br />
God will reveal Himself to the non believers eventually. just embrace his love.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-377829</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what this guy says. So he believes in a fairy tale. Doesn;t change my way of thinking. Doesn't make him a douche-bag. He is just another human entitled to his opinion. Is it annoying? YES. But this is the typical "holier than thou" attitutude that I have come to expect from religious fanatics. They insist that they are not being that way, but like them believing in fairy tales, they cannot see the truth. I am a good person. I don't need stories or an "invisible man" in the sky to tell me that I am not. We will never ever convince the "religioulus" that there is no Invisible being controlling the universe... EVER. We are going up against thousands of years of BS, which these people eat up every word of. Funny, they wouldn't beleive something a stranger on the street told them as truth without doubting it, but they beleive people from thousands of years ago writing stories who they have never seen, met, or evenspoke the same language as, as the ultimate truth. OF COURSE THEY ARE FLAWED. That is why they need their religion to feel good about themselves again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what this guy says. So he believes in a fairy tale. Doesn;t change my way of thinking. Doesn&#8217;t make him a douche-bag. He is just another human entitled to his opinion. Is it annoying? YES. But this is the typical &#8220;holier than thou&#8221; attitutude that I have come to expect from religious fanatics. They insist that they are not being that way, but like them believing in fairy tales, they cannot see the truth. I am a good person. I don&#8217;t need stories or an &#8220;invisible man&#8221; in the sky to tell me that I am not. We will never ever convince the &#8220;religioulus&#8221; that there is no Invisible being controlling the universe&#8230; EVER. We are going up against thousands of years of BS, which these people eat up every word of. Funny, they wouldn&#8217;t beleive something a stranger on the street told them as truth without doubting it, but they beleive people from thousands of years ago writing stories who they have never seen, met, or evenspoke the same language as, as the ultimate truth. OF COURSE THEY ARE FLAWED. That is why they need their religion to feel good about themselves again.</p>
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		<title>By: Korgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hyrocket, FUCK OFF WITH YOUR ANNOYING SPEWING OF YOUR BULLSHIT SCRIPTURE AND GO AWAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hyrocket, FUCK OFF WITH YOUR ANNOYING SPEWING OF YOUR BULLSHIT SCRIPTURE AND GO AWAY.</p>
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		<title>By: hyrocket</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-363506</link>
		<dc:creator>hyrocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korgan, thank you for putting me in a gaiety mood and praise my Lord and Saviour for you and appreciate the fundamental difference between us. 
Korgan, your post 68 proves that last verse i used, which was taken from another page here. the last verse is from Matthew 10:21 and i have included verse 22 to get the truth you have made to me &lt;b&gt;And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.&lt;/b&gt;
Someone here used this verse against us Christians to make their point. But he failed to put it in context, leaving verse 22 out. Your post 68 has proven this to be true. let me put this another way.
Lets say as you are, accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and become like me. You're a new creature as stated in 2COR5:17 &lt;b&gt;Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.&lt;/b&gt; because you are saved you preach the truth in Jesus name for you know He is God and has set you free and you see this verse in your heart &lt;b&gt;For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&lt;/b&gt;
but you tell others about the these things you know - you will experience this Matt 10:21, for the sword of men is different from the Sword of God. The sword of men shall deliver up the brother to death. Knowing this death is nothing compared to the saving power from our sins putting you in the presence of our Holy God. 
&lt;b&gt;"God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved"&lt;/b&gt;
Korgan, thanks and if anyone would put their name in place of Korgan, this Matt 21 and 22 will resonate in the very truth that Jesus is God and has come to save us from our sins by Him alone and not of any works we can do bring us into paradise. repent and see His the sword He offers is LIFE. 
In Psalm 25:5 let it be in us my brothers and sister, that Jesus is our Lord and Saviour which we bow before the cross of His sacrifice-looking to Him alone as the author and finisher of our faith...
&lt;b&gt;Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korgan, thank you for putting me in a gaiety mood and praise my Lord and Saviour for you and appreciate the fundamental difference between us.<br />
Korgan, your post 68 proves that last verse i used, which was taken from another page here. the last verse is from Matthew 10:21 and i have included verse 22 to get the truth you have made to me <b>And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name&#8217;s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.</b><br />
Someone here used this verse against us Christians to make their point. But he failed to put it in context, leaving verse 22 out. Your post 68 has proven this to be true. let me put this another way.<br />
Lets say as you are, accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and become like me. You&#8217;re a new creature as stated in 2COR5:17 <b>Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.</b> because you are saved you preach the truth in Jesus name for you know He is God and has set you free and you see this verse in your heart <b>For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.</b><br />
but you tell others about the these things you know - you will experience this Matt 10:21, for the sword of men is different from the Sword of God. The sword of men shall deliver up the brother to death. Knowing this death is nothing compared to the saving power from our sins putting you in the presence of our Holy God.<br />
<b>&#8220;God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved&#8221;</b><br />
Korgan, thanks and if anyone would put their name in place of Korgan, this Matt 21 and 22 will resonate in the very truth that Jesus is God and has come to save us from our sins by Him alone and not of any works we can do bring us into paradise. repent and see His the sword He offers is LIFE.<br />
In Psalm 25:5 let it be in us my brothers and sister, that Jesus is our Lord and Saviour which we bow before the cross of His sacrifice-looking to Him alone as the author and finisher of our faith&#8230;<br />
<b>Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Korgan</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-362574</link>
		<dc:creator>Korgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so glad that the hyrocket-bot isn't on my team. 

(And that its vengeful jerk of a god doesn't exist.)

&lt;i&gt;Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that the hyrocket-bot isn&#8217;t on my team. </p>
<p>(And that its vengeful jerk of a god doesn&#8217;t exist.)</p>
<p><i>Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.</i></p>
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		<title>By: hyrocket</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-362035</link>
		<dc:creator>hyrocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Macachisadec to everyone, Ally, let's do the "copy &#38; paste" *dance*, because i too like to do both, hmmm.

in all meaningful thought i was listening to Dr. R.C. Sproul on the radio last night and he mentioned "the silent scream". i know this pain that burns in me and also listening to skeptoid(?) in his way of thinking and trying to understand thus such thinking is far from me which is un-understandable and only to be understood in Jesus Christ My Lord and Saviour. The Apostle Paul in relation, reading his thoughts and feelings say's Romans 8:22-27, vs 22 &lt;b&gt;For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.&lt;/b&gt; &#38; vs 23 &lt;b&gt;Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.&lt;/b&gt;
I guess these "silent screams" that in away as stated are too deep for words which i find it difficult to express to you all. but the core of it would be that if hearing the silent screams and cry and pray. With all thoughts by casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you, my brothers and sisters.

The Silent screams and the death that is upon them that delivers the death of those silent screams. Jesus has put upon the sword you say that is to be torn apart and shall deliver the death of a brother a father the child and raise against the parents all deliver the silence screams that world values as nothing as in nonsense yet supported upon the sword of truth which is in us. may our Holy spirit that is in us continue to groan and travails so that we can continue in prayer within our hearts with our Fathers will be done. "Families will be torn apart because of Jesus." &lt;b&gt;Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Macachisadec to everyone, Ally, let&#8217;s do the &#8220;copy &amp; paste&#8221; *dance*, because i too like to do both, hmmm.</p>
<p>in all meaningful thought i was listening to Dr. R.C. Sproul on the radio last night and he mentioned &#8220;the silent scream&#8221;. i know this pain that burns in me and also listening to skeptoid(?) in his way of thinking and trying to understand thus such thinking is far from me which is un-understandable and only to be understood in Jesus Christ My Lord and Saviour. The Apostle Paul in relation, reading his thoughts and feelings say&#8217;s Romans 8:22-27, vs 22 <b>For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.</b> &amp; vs 23 <b>Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.</b><br />
I guess these &#8220;silent screams&#8221; that in away as stated are too deep for words which i find it difficult to express to you all. but the core of it would be that if hearing the silent screams and cry and pray. With all thoughts by casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you, my brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>The Silent screams and the death that is upon them that delivers the death of those silent screams. Jesus has put upon the sword you say that is to be torn apart and shall deliver the death of a brother a father the child and raise against the parents all deliver the silence screams that world values as nothing as in nonsense yet supported upon the sword of truth which is in us. may our Holy spirit that is in us continue to groan and travails so that we can continue in prayer within our hearts with our Fathers will be done. &#8220;Families will be torn apart because of Jesus.&#8221; <b>Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Korgan</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-361540</link>
		<dc:creator>Korgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ally, enough already with your lengthy copying and pasting. Your god is a myth, plain and simple. Get out of the house, get with the modern world, and read a biology textbook.

&lt;i&gt;Religion is ridiculous.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ally, enough already with your lengthy copying and pasting. Your god is a myth, plain and simple. Get out of the house, get with the modern world, and read a biology textbook.</p>
<p><i>Religion is ridiculous.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/?p=561#comment-361460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron? God is extremely personal; as a matter of fact He is love and He does have feelings, He created His creatures to love them and for them to love Him in return.

Also, if one WANTS to find God they will! A person has to put effort into finding God. They are not supposed to take God lightly, especially if they are going to spend eternity with Him.
Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Hebrews 12:16
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hebrews 12:15-17 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole 



If one wants to be an atheist they are "FREE" to be one. But if one is searching, seriously searching for a God of love they would find Him!

This author explains some of it :-

"Untainted Humans
        The biblical text seeks not to solve the mystery of the existence of humans but rather to deepen it by directly connecting their origin to God. That God created us means that we are not accident-- that we are not just the end product of mindless natural law. We are the result of divine reflection, analysis, and the expression of divine freedom, power, and love. Such divine intentionality places a high value on the human race and indissolubly binds us to God in a Creator-creature relationship. At its deepest level creation in the image of God means precisely that we can have fellowship with Him."
 
 
" Fellowship with God. 
As already indicated, the plurality of persons within the Godhead unveils the fact that God is social and that consequently fellowship is part of His essence. Being created in the image of God defines humans as social beings existing in fellowship with others. The first social relationship that Adam established was with God. The Creator breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the first man became a living being. This was life, but not divine life, as if Adam were now participating in the very life of God. Rather it was created life. When Adam opened his eyes, his brain registered its first image, that of God. Two persons looked at each other in the Garden of Eden, and as a result they were bound to each other in the most glorious fellowship that humans could ever have.
                   Also Eve's first social interaction was not with Adam, but with God. He intentionally planned it that way. The Creator put Adam to sleep not because He did not want Adam to feel pain during the "surgery," but in order for Eve to enjoy the same privilege he had, namely to experience fellowship with God before having it with Adam. The enjoyment of union with God defined humans as unique, setting them apart from the rest of the created world. They found their greatest joy in life in an existence characterized by unhindered fellowship with the Lord." ...



  
"Freedom of will and action. 
When God created humans, He endowed them with freedom, a fact revealed in the narrative in several ways. First , fellowship presupposes freedom. Union with God does not take place outside the realm of human history---that is, in some mystical sphere that erases self- consciousness. Instead, union with God is fellowship with Him in our mode of existence as creatures, and it presupposes willingness on the part of the humans to participate in it . Otherwise there is no freedom. Second, fellowship with other humans also presupposes that same type of freedom by which we not only interact with them but also accept and love them." 
 










... "Possibly the most important passage supporting the fact that God created humans free is Genesis 2:16,17: "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Eating is an instinctive response to a build-in need in our being that does not require freedom. Even telling humans what to eat is not necessarily an endowment of freedom. The idea of freedom surfaces in all it's power and beauty when God commands them not to eat from a tree. The command itself was meaningful only in the context of the freedom of individuals to obey or not to obey it. Otherwise, why would it be necessary to give a command? Why not make abstention from eating from that particular tree an instinctive response, a mechanical action?
 
                            But what kind of freedom gives you the option only to choose death? Could not the threat of death become an enslaving power that would deprive humans of freedom to act ? In order to explore the true implications of those questions, we need to approach them from the angle of the choices available to humans. It is difficult to think of a created being as a free agent. For obvious reasons God brought Adam and Eve into existence without their free consent. God in His freedom and sovereignty decided and proceeded to create them. Their freedom emerged after their creation in the form of the possibility of a choice. The choices at the disposal of Adam and Eve were not many---they had only two.
                              We find both of the choices that they confronted in the text we quoted above. A superficial reading may give the impression that the choices were either to eat or not to eat from the tree. But they were not really about eating although it did involve that. The narrative takes us to the very depth of the nature of human freedom and establishes that such freedom has to do with the most fundamental question a creature has to address--- that of choosing life or death. The biblical writer is not telling us that the universe possesses two eternal antagonistic forces, namely the power of God as life and the power of someone or something else as death, and that we can select between them. The issues are much more complex.
                               Let me suggest for your consideration that what the text establishes is that ONLY GOD IS, and that apart from Him there is nothing else,but between being with God and not being. This makes absolute sense within the flow of the narrative. 

As already indicated, Adam and Eve came into being without giving them freedom to choose to be created or not. That was a logical impossibility. But now the Creator did offer them the freedom to choose existence or nonexistence, that is to say, to freely accept the gift of life or to go back to nothingness. God offered the options in the firm command, because the creator had a preference. He wanted them to select life, and therefore He emphasized as strongly as possible that if they opted for death He would honor their choice and that they would "surely die."


                              Obviously , rejecting God's gift of life would be to spurn Him, an act of rebellion, but He was willing to accept their decision. Since God's intentions for humans was positive, it is difficult to imagine that Adam and Eve would have seriously considered the possibility of rejecting life. But the option was there---otherwise God would have enslaved them to live on a planet for ever without their consent. ..."


 
  

 
 
 
 

 
  

The whole chapter is in the following book . I got the above from chapter 3. "A Race Is Fallen":-
 


 http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC


Also Ron, hell does not exist yet and when it comes about it will not exist for eternity (that teaching scares a lot of people and it simply is not true).Hell will be temporary and God does not want any human to "perish" but if they choose to not want to be with Him , He will grant them  their wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron? God is extremely personal; as a matter of fact He is love and He does have feelings, He created His creatures to love them and for them to love Him in return.</p>
<p>Also, if one WANTS to find God they will! A person has to put effort into finding God. They are not supposed to take God lightly, especially if they are going to spend eternity with Him.<br />
Jeremiah 29:13<br />
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.</p>
<p>Hebrews 12:16<br />
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.<br />
Hebrews 12:15-17 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole </p>
<p>If one wants to be an atheist they are &#8220;FREE&#8221; to be one. But if one is searching, seriously searching for a God of love they would find Him!</p>
<p>This author explains some of it :-</p>
<p>&#8220;Untainted Humans<br />
        The biblical text seeks not to solve the mystery of the existence of humans but rather to deepen it by directly connecting their origin to God. That God created us means that we are not accident&#8211; that we are not just the end product of mindless natural law. We are the result of divine reflection, analysis, and the expression of divine freedom, power, and love. Such divine intentionality places a high value on the human race and indissolubly binds us to God in a Creator-creature relationship. At its deepest level creation in the image of God means precisely that we can have fellowship with Him.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221; Fellowship with God.<br />
As already indicated, the plurality of persons within the Godhead unveils the fact that God is social and that consequently fellowship is part of His essence. Being created in the image of God defines humans as social beings existing in fellowship with others. The first social relationship that Adam established was with God. The Creator breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the first man became a living being. This was life, but not divine life, as if Adam were now participating in the very life of God. Rather it was created life. When Adam opened his eyes, his brain registered its first image, that of God. Two persons looked at each other in the Garden of Eden, and as a result they were bound to each other in the most glorious fellowship that humans could ever have.<br />
                   Also Eve&#8217;s first social interaction was not with Adam, but with God. He intentionally planned it that way. The Creator put Adam to sleep not because He did not want Adam to feel pain during the &#8220;surgery,&#8221; but in order for Eve to enjoy the same privilege he had, namely to experience fellowship with God before having it with Adam. The enjoyment of union with God defined humans as unique, setting them apart from the rest of the created world. They found their greatest joy in life in an existence characterized by unhindered fellowship with the Lord.&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom of will and action.<br />
When God created humans, He endowed them with freedom, a fact revealed in the narrative in several ways. First , fellowship presupposes freedom. Union with God does not take place outside the realm of human history&#8212;that is, in some mystical sphere that erases self- consciousness. Instead, union with God is fellowship with Him in our mode of existence as creatures, and it presupposes willingness on the part of the humans to participate in it . Otherwise there is no freedom. Second, fellowship with other humans also presupposes that same type of freedom by which we not only interact with them but also accept and love them.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230; &#8220;Possibly the most important passage supporting the fact that God created humans free is Genesis 2:16,17: &#8220;You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.&#8221; Eating is an instinctive response to a build-in need in our being that does not require freedom. Even telling humans what to eat is not necessarily an endowment of freedom. The idea of freedom surfaces in all it&#8217;s power and beauty when God commands them not to eat from a tree. The command itself was meaningful only in the context of the freedom of individuals to obey or not to obey it. Otherwise, why would it be necessary to give a command? Why not make abstention from eating from that particular tree an instinctive response, a mechanical action?</p>
<p>                            But what kind of freedom gives you the option only to choose death? Could not the threat of death become an enslaving power that would deprive humans of freedom to act ? In order to explore the true implications of those questions, we need to approach them from the angle of the choices available to humans. It is difficult to think of a created being as a free agent. For obvious reasons God brought Adam and Eve into existence without their free consent. God in His freedom and sovereignty decided and proceeded to create them. Their freedom emerged after their creation in the form of the possibility of a choice. The choices at the disposal of Adam and Eve were not many&#8212;they had only two.<br />
                              We find both of the choices that they confronted in the text we quoted above. A superficial reading may give the impression that the choices were either to eat or not to eat from the tree. But they were not really about eating although it did involve that. The narrative takes us to the very depth of the nature of human freedom and establishes that such freedom has to do with the most fundamental question a creature has to address&#8212; that of choosing life or death. The biblical writer is not telling us that the universe possesses two eternal antagonistic forces, namely the power of God as life and the power of someone or something else as death, and that we can select between them. The issues are much more complex.<br />
                               Let me suggest for your consideration that what the text establishes is that ONLY GOD IS, and that apart from Him there is nothing else,but between being with God and not being. This makes absolute sense within the flow of the narrative. </p>
<p>As already indicated, Adam and Eve came into being without giving them freedom to choose to be created or not. That was a logical impossibility. But now the Creator did offer them the freedom to choose existence or nonexistence, that is to say, to freely accept the gift of life or to go back to nothingness. God offered the options in the firm command, because the creator had a preference. He wanted them to select life, and therefore He emphasized as strongly as possible that if they opted for death He would honor their choice and that they would &#8220;surely die.&#8221;</p>
<p>                              Obviously , rejecting God&#8217;s gift of life would be to spurn Him, an act of rebellion, but He was willing to accept their decision. Since God&#8217;s intentions for humans was positive, it is difficult to imagine that Adam and Eve would have seriously considered the possibility of rejecting life. But the option was there&#8212;otherwise God would have enslaved them to live on a planet for ever without their consent. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The whole chapter is in the following book . I got the above from chapter 3. &#8220;A Race Is Fallen&#8221;:-</p>
<p> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=KOnRQ3hM8RYC</a></p>
<p>Also Ron, hell does not exist yet and when it comes about it will not exist for eternity (that teaching scares a lot of people and it simply is not true).Hell will be temporary and God does not want any human to &#8220;perish&#8221; but if they choose to not want to be with Him , He will grant them  their wish.</p>
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		<description>"a belief, with nothing based in solid matter, energy or fact."

I wonder what Mr George Carlin is now? any of the above. 

"If God is the all supreme perfect being! why does he need anything from us? to even suggest that he does put’s a lot of doubt in my mind of this supreme being idea!"

Ron, I want to help you and my bible helps in answering your question... &lt;b&gt;All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.&lt;/b&gt;
Jesus came to save us from our sins and show us a way that is righteous, by offering us His way in which we should build our life upon Gods plan of salvation. You can be like Mr Carlin and live your life as such but such is not pleasing unto our Father and to me it is fruitless. Our Father has shown and offered Himself even unto death just like Mr Carlin unto his ways seems right-so be it. The pwg will be attacking me for the things i talk about but i can respect that for my-Our Father has told me of such things i should expect. Our Father does care just like the g-pa cares for his g-daughters but the difference is that our Father cares and hurts for what we have lost for what we have rejected. This life we live -we live for self or we live for Him. Can you respect the things i talk about? or will you stand and do the things of Mr Carlin? Jesus is the true vine and we are the branches within this vine. Why does God need us because ultimately He wants us to bringeth forth much fruit: for without Jesus, the true vine, ye can do nothing. 
I apologize if i failed to answer your question but if a brother or sister should read this i hope it will be a blessing to them.
&lt;b&gt;God Bless&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a belief, with nothing based in solid matter, energy or fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what Mr George Carlin is now? any of the above. </p>
<p>&#8220;If God is the all supreme perfect being! why does he need anything from us? to even suggest that he does put’s a lot of doubt in my mind of this supreme being idea!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ron, I want to help you and my bible helps in answering your question&#8230; <b>All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.</b><br />
Jesus came to save us from our sins and show us a way that is righteous, by offering us His way in which we should build our life upon Gods plan of salvation. You can be like Mr Carlin and live your life as such but such is not pleasing unto our Father and to me it is fruitless. Our Father has shown and offered Himself even unto death just like Mr Carlin unto his ways seems right-so be it. The pwg will be attacking me for the things i talk about but i can respect that for my-Our Father has told me of such things i should expect. Our Father does care just like the g-pa cares for his g-daughters but the difference is that our Father cares and hurts for what we have lost for what we have rejected. This life we live -we live for self or we live for Him. Can you respect the things i talk about? or will you stand and do the things of Mr Carlin? Jesus is the true vine and we are the branches within this vine. Why does God need us because ultimately He wants us to bringeth forth much fruit: for without Jesus, the true vine, ye can do nothing.<br />
I apologize if i failed to answer your question but if a brother or sister should read this i hope it will be a blessing to them.<br />
<b>God Bless</b></p>
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