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	<title>Comments on: Sikhs Upset Over Hardhat Rule</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scab Hater</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-250772</link>
		<dc:creator>Scab Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a simple way to solve this issue.....

1. Allow them to wear there turbans!!
2. First day on the job....drop a tool from a couple stories up hitting that person in the head!!  See if they dont want to wear a hardhat after that!!
3. If that doesnt work.....then take away any insurance that may be getting provided by the company due to the fact that they are not abiding by safety rules.

Ultimately I look at it like this.  Dont wanna follow company wide rules like everyone else.....goodbye!!  Religious beliefs are all great and fine....im not taking that away but i am saying this.  Religious descrimination is based on the hiring of employees not on individual rules....especially rules that insure more safety on a job site.  seriously people....this has nothing to do with the past of these Sikhs.....how they arose, where they came from, who they faught against...ect ect!!!  It all comes down to one simple point......to get along you gotta go along!!!

I dont like havin to wear a hardhat either but when i saw a guy get hit in the head with a pipe wrench that fell almost 4 stories and it split his wig open like a watermelon?!?!?!?!......ill wear a fuckin hardhat!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a simple way to solve this issue&#8230;..</p>
<p>1. Allow them to wear there turbans!!<br />
2. First day on the job&#8230;.drop a tool from a couple stories up hitting that person in the head!!  See if they dont want to wear a hardhat after that!!<br />
3. If that doesnt work&#8230;..then take away any insurance that may be getting provided by the company due to the fact that they are not abiding by safety rules.</p>
<p>Ultimately I look at it like this.  Dont wanna follow company wide rules like everyone else&#8230;..goodbye!!  Religious beliefs are all great and fine&#8230;.im not taking that away but i am saying this.  Religious descrimination is based on the hiring of employees not on individual rules&#8230;.especially rules that insure more safety on a job site.  seriously people&#8230;.this has nothing to do with the past of these Sikhs&#8230;..how they arose, where they came from, who they faught against&#8230;ect ect!!!  It all comes down to one simple point&#8230;&#8230;to get along you gotta go along!!!</p>
<p>I dont like havin to wear a hardhat either but when i saw a guy get hit in the head with a pipe wrench that fell almost 4 stories and it split his wig open like a watermelon?!?!?!?!&#8230;&#8230;ill wear a fuckin hardhat!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Straight goods</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-229278</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight goods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a part of the story as to why Sikhs wear turbans:

A long long time ago Muslim invaders were killing Sikhs, Hindus and other people not of the Islamic faith. At this time Sikhs looked the same as any other south asian except they were bigger (northern indian aryan background). During one invasion a village was burned to the ground and all the Sikhs and Hindus were rounded up by the Muslims. They were told that they had to watch a Sikh holy man burn/be boiled in a large pot. The Sikh was boiled alive and none of the Sikhs or Hindus went up to help him. So...to make a long story short the Guru (or teacher) asked Sikhs to become babtised and take on 5 symbols that represented special meanings. One of these symbols was the Turban. It was also said by the Guru that it was shameful that Sikhs stood around and let thier fellow Sikh be boiled alive. So the visable symbol of a Turban is tied the fact that if any wrongdoing or crime is being committed a Sikh is supposed to act, and help the person in need/or to help in any negative situation. The Turban is a visable sign that Sikhs wear. Throughout the last 300 years there have been historical documented cases where injustices are being done and Sikhs are asked to assist, not just by othere Sikhs but by Hindus, Muslims and others. In all cases the Sikhs have helped. Do some real research to see why people do what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a part of the story as to why Sikhs wear turbans:</p>
<p>A long long time ago Muslim invaders were killing Sikhs, Hindus and other people not of the Islamic faith. At this time Sikhs looked the same as any other south asian except they were bigger (northern indian aryan background). During one invasion a village was burned to the ground and all the Sikhs and Hindus were rounded up by the Muslims. They were told that they had to watch a Sikh holy man burn/be boiled in a large pot. The Sikh was boiled alive and none of the Sikhs or Hindus went up to help him. So&#8230;to make a long story short the Guru (or teacher) asked Sikhs to become babtised and take on 5 symbols that represented special meanings. One of these symbols was the Turban. It was also said by the Guru that it was shameful that Sikhs stood around and let thier fellow Sikh be boiled alive. So the visable symbol of a Turban is tied the fact that if any wrongdoing or crime is being committed a Sikh is supposed to act, and help the person in need/or to help in any negative situation. The Turban is a visable sign that Sikhs wear. Throughout the last 300 years there have been historical documented cases where injustices are being done and Sikhs are asked to assist, not just by othere Sikhs but by Hindus, Muslims and others. In all cases the Sikhs have helped. Do some real research to see why people do what they do.</p>
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		<title>By: just b</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-214672</link>
		<dc:creator>just b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of good points in here... a lot of seriously disrespectful comments too. We are all entitled to our opinions, but you only make yourself look like a racist hate breeder when you insult an individual and their culture.

dave c... there has got to be a better way to say "fuck off back to the shit hole you crawled out of"... man, don't you look like a respectable individual...

I really like what Michael had to say... "I think the root issue is most religious people are religious because they can’t handle thinking they are insignificant specks."

Back to the topic at hand... I don't see the big issue here... if someone wants to bitch and complain about wearing a turban at a construction work site and put themselves in jeopardy as a result, let them... as long as they sign some sort of waiver indicating they can't take legal action when their head gets split open. And if they aren't allowed to sign a waiver form there's probably a good reason for it... either way, a Sikh complaining about wearing a turban has just as much right to complain as you do telling him he should shut up.

So why don't we all just shut the fuck up, get along and love one another as equals? Oh right... because there is such a thing as religion/politics/control... hmmm, interesting conundrum isn't it. 

It is what it is... and the ONLY way this will ever change is if we abolish all systems, all methods of control, all religions, all politics, all borders... do you really think that is going to happen?! Not unless a lot of shit blows up. And even after there are only a handful of survivors, some asshole would want to lead the rest of the people, and the cycle would start again. It's endless...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of good points in here&#8230; a lot of seriously disrespectful comments too. We are all entitled to our opinions, but you only make yourself look like a racist hate breeder when you insult an individual and their culture.</p>
<p>dave c&#8230; there has got to be a better way to say &#8220;fuck off back to the shit hole you crawled out of&#8221;&#8230; man, don&#8217;t you look like a respectable individual&#8230;</p>
<p>I really like what Michael had to say&#8230; &#8220;I think the root issue is most religious people are religious because they can’t handle thinking they are insignificant specks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Back to the topic at hand&#8230; I don&#8217;t see the big issue here&#8230; if someone wants to bitch and complain about wearing a turban at a construction work site and put themselves in jeopardy as a result, let them&#8230; as long as they sign some sort of waiver indicating they can&#8217;t take legal action when their head gets split open. And if they aren&#8217;t allowed to sign a waiver form there&#8217;s probably a good reason for it&#8230; either way, a Sikh complaining about wearing a turban has just as much right to complain as you do telling him he should shut up.</p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t we all just shut the fuck up, get along and love one another as equals? Oh right&#8230; because there is such a thing as religion/politics/control&#8230; hmmm, interesting conundrum isn&#8217;t it. </p>
<p>It is what it is&#8230; and the ONLY way this will ever change is if we abolish all systems, all methods of control, all religions, all politics, all borders&#8230; do you really think that is going to happen?! Not unless a lot of shit blows up. And even after there are only a handful of survivors, some asshole would want to lead the rest of the people, and the cycle would start again. It&#8217;s endless&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The outsider</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-206629</link>
		<dc:creator>The outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note...  I noticed a lot of people stating "If these guys won't wear hardhats, why are they in an industry that requires it?  Why not get a job elsewhere?"

The thing is, the laws requiring hardhats in the forestry industry in BC are recent.  Many of these guys have been working the jobs they have right now for years, in some cases decades, and are now facing losing their jobs because of their (silly) religious dogma.  They're right to be a bit pissed; they've been happily working away without any protection, and in comes 'big brother' telling them what to do.

Do I think it's right of them to demand that the laws do not apply?  No.  But do I understand why they're pissed off?  Hell yeah.  Who hasn't had the rug pulled out from under then by new rules put in place by the man without once being asked about how it will effect work?

Personally, I'm with mu.  Build a head-protective device that fits into a turban, so you get to keep your identity and still follow the rules.  If you don't even try, then it's not about 'having your own identity', it's about pushing yourself in front of others.  But I just wanted to point out the fallacy that most people here were falling into; these guys didn't go interview for a job where they'd have to wear a hardhat, then after they got the job jump up and say "Ha! you can't make me wear that!  I've got rights you know!"  It was more these guys were working for years, happy as clams, and now their supervisor is telling them they have to choose between their community and their job.

It's a shitty choice to have to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note&#8230;  I noticed a lot of people stating &#8220;If these guys won&#8217;t wear hardhats, why are they in an industry that requires it?  Why not get a job elsewhere?&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing is, the laws requiring hardhats in the forestry industry in BC are recent.  Many of these guys have been working the jobs they have right now for years, in some cases decades, and are now facing losing their jobs because of their (silly) religious dogma.  They&#8217;re right to be a bit pissed; they&#8217;ve been happily working away without any protection, and in comes &#8216;big brother&#8217; telling them what to do.</p>
<p>Do I think it&#8217;s right of them to demand that the laws do not apply?  No.  But do I understand why they&#8217;re pissed off?  Hell yeah.  Who hasn&#8217;t had the rug pulled out from under then by new rules put in place by the man without once being asked about how it will effect work?</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m with mu.  Build a head-protective device that fits into a turban, so you get to keep your identity and still follow the rules.  If you don&#8217;t even try, then it&#8217;s not about &#8216;having your own identity&#8217;, it&#8217;s about pushing yourself in front of others.  But I just wanted to point out the fallacy that most people here were falling into; these guys didn&#8217;t go interview for a job where they&#8217;d have to wear a hardhat, then after they got the job jump up and say &#8220;Ha! you can&#8217;t make me wear that!  I&#8217;ve got rights you know!&#8221;  It was more these guys were working for years, happy as clams, and now their supervisor is telling them they have to choose between their community and their job.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shitty choice to have to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismell</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-205082</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don't want to wear a hardhat in a Canadian sawmill, apply for a job in an Indian sawmill.  There you can do anything you want, stick your head in the blade if you want, you will be replaced in 2 seconds by another.  If you want a job in Canada we respect personal safety, and expect it, and go to great lengths, to achieve it from our employers, and now you don't want personal safety.  Then go back to driving a cab, as far as I know cabbies don't need helmets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t want to wear a hardhat in a Canadian sawmill, apply for a job in an Indian sawmill.  There you can do anything you want, stick your head in the blade if you want, you will be replaced in 2 seconds by another.  If you want a job in Canada we respect personal safety, and expect it, and go to great lengths, to achieve it from our employers, and now you don&#8217;t want personal safety.  Then go back to driving a cab, as far as I know cabbies don&#8217;t need helmets.</p>
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		<title>By: niceman198</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-199634</link>
		<dc:creator>niceman198</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its true that every one shud follow the laws of their nation.If Sikhs r not ready to wear hard hat and wearing the same is the job requirement then they shud leave the job.I m from India,not a Sikh.Wt I disagree is post #12.Who the hell r u to say "Fuck you"?Its ur constitution and law who let Sikhs live and settle in Canada.If u really want to Fuck then Fuck the constitution.Why shud u discriminate any belief which has its origin out of Canada.We do respect all religion(believers and no beievers)but believe in self.so Lets not talk about belief and religion talk about law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its true that every one shud follow the laws of their nation.If Sikhs r not ready to wear hard hat and wearing the same is the job requirement then they shud leave the job.I m from India,not a Sikh.Wt I disagree is post #12.Who the hell r u to say &#8220;Fuck you&#8221;?Its ur constitution and law who let Sikhs live and settle in Canada.If u really want to Fuck then Fuck the constitution.Why shud u discriminate any belief which has its origin out of Canada.We do respect all religion(believers and no beievers)but believe in self.so Lets not talk about belief and religion talk about law.</p>
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		<title>By: dave c</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-182913</link>
		<dc:creator>dave c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wern;t these asshole's in Vancouver , the same group who blew up a plane of woman and kid's over the irish sea , to prove their manhood , its sick when assholes like this can carry a knife , and dickheads on the supreme court in canada let them ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wern;t these asshole&#8217;s in Vancouver , the same group who blew up a plane of woman and kid&#8217;s over the irish sea , to prove their manhood , its sick when assholes like this can carry a knife , and dickheads on the supreme court in canada let them ,</p>
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		<title>By: dave c</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-182911</link>
		<dc:creator>dave c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>live like the rest of canada and follow the rule's its for you safety , or fuck off back to the shit hole you crawled out of , got it when in Rome do as the Romans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>live like the rest of canada and follow the rule&#8217;s its for you safety , or fuck off back to the shit hole you crawled out of , got it when in Rome do as the Romans</p>
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		<title>By: Jabster</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-166372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 07:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sidfaiwu - totally agree and again it's one of the things that seems to be creeping more and more into public life that religions aren't allowed to be criticised. I can only presume this is because their whole existence is based on such shaky ground that it's supposed to be unfair to 'make fun' of these beliefs. Oh of course this only applies to mainstream religions - if you believe in say the Norse gods that you'll be thought of as insane, if on the other hand you believe that Jesus was crucified and then came back to life that's all fine and beyond criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sidfaiwu - totally agree and again it&#8217;s one of the things that seems to be creeping more and more into public life that religions aren&#8217;t allowed to be criticised. I can only presume this is because their whole existence is based on such shaky ground that it&#8217;s supposed to be unfair to &#8216;make fun&#8217; of these beliefs. Oh of course this only applies to mainstream religions - if you believe in say the Norse gods that you&#8217;ll be thought of as insane, if on the other hand you believe that Jesus was crucified and then came back to life that&#8217;s all fine and beyond criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: sidfaiwu</title>
		<link>http://religiousfreaks.com/2008/04/01/sikhs-upset-over-hardhat-rule/#comment-165576</link>
		<dc:creator>sidfaiwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit:  I'm missing a 'not' in comment #19:  "So, by your 'reasoning', we should &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; criticize the beliefs of the KKK or Hamas?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit:  I&#8217;m missing a &#8216;not&#8217; in comment #19:  &#8220;So, by your &#8216;reasoning&#8217;, we should <em>not</em> criticize the beliefs of the KKK or Hamas?&#8221;</p>
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