Amateur filmmaker Erik Koto emailed me this morning to announce his first ever documentary entitled Jesus Freaks that he co-created with Robert Nachbar.
Jesus Freaks chronicles the events of Creation Fest Northwest, a four day Christian rock festival in George, Washington. The official site describes the event as follows:
“From all over the world, people from all walks of life make their pilgrimage to the Creation Festivals to rock to the music, to have fellowship with other believers, to camp under the stars, to connect, to worship, and to experience God’s Word as it comes alive.”
Having watched the 25-minute documentary I must say that I found it quite interesting. There isn’t anything in there that readers of this site will find shocking, but I do have a few comments to make.
The vast majority of people attending the festival, and thus interviewed, were teenagers. I couldn’t help but feel somewhat sorry for most of these kids. Many appeared to have the type of issues you would expect in teenagers… drugs, friends, etc. And it seemed that many turned to Jesus for a sense of belonging because for some reason or another they just couldn’t find themselves. These kids just want to be accepted. They want a sense of belonging and Christianity filled that need for many of them.
What I would have liked to see is a little more of an in-depth interview with some of these kids. Do they truly understand their religion or is it just a “gang” of sorts that provides them a sense of belonging? I got the distinct impression that most of these youths really don’t understand religion or spirituality.
Take a look at the movie at let me know what you think. If there is enough interest I can ask the filmmakers to answer some of your questions.
Related posts:
- You Can’t Handle The Truth For Youth
- Welcome Psychic Freaks To The Family!
- Creation Science Cartoon
- Camp Out–Where It’s Ok To Drop The Soap
- Next Generation Of Religious Freaks
April 16th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Awww man, I love playing devil’s advocate at events like this!
“Hey kids, you think Jesus is cool? Wait till I introduce you to my friend Mr. LSD!”
“Hey girls, did you know that being sexually active automatically get’s you into heaven?”
… and so forth.
Besides, we all know the only “real” music comes from the exact opposite lifestyle that religion promotes.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Shaze, you be evil (I mean that in the nicest way possible!). Love your work.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
“Jesus told people to eat his body, and drink his blood. That’s so cool”
I NEED that song. Seriously.
This film kept making me think of Steve Baldwin.
“Jesus Freak? Oh, I’M A JESUS PSYCHO!!!”
Yes, Steven Baldwin. Yes you are.
http://www.stephenbaldwin.com/
April 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Suppose I should have corrected my spelling of Stephen up there. I’m sorry, Stephen Baldwin. Can I still be extreme with Jesus?
April 17th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Unfortunatly, I was raised around a lot of religious fanatacism, and I definately relate these people with so many others I remember who also flirted with this extreme behavior. Most of those teenagers have no idea what they’re doing or believing. These are the same people in high school who would be “saved” one week, and the next thing you know they’re naked. Im not tying to say that you can’t be passionate about your beliefs, and Jesus or anthing, but I bet if a manipulator like David Koresh spoke at this convention he could brain wash these vulnerable kids into anything, even have them form some extremist cult…much like they already are.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that first riff ripped straight from Beastie Boys?
Wheat into Marijuana, sugar into cocaine, and Vitamins into amphetamines? WTF?
I was rendered speechless at the raw mindlessness of the freaks at this revival. A bunch of secular songs having Jesus shoved into them and they call it original?
“Jesus blessed my skating…” WTF? Cause you know Jesus rode a wicked half pipe…
“All the things I did were really wrong…” Not giving up your free thought is not wrong.
“Europe is what America will be like in 20 years..” One can only hope.
“Only 4% will be Bible believing Christians…” Please let that be true.
Cause you know we atheists just want to rape babies and kill the ones we can’t make gay… We can already do it in the Netherlands… Makes my head want to explode…
April 17th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Ahhhh, youth. I remember that nasty combination of being young & immature and having my emotional strings yanked on. Poor kids. Hopefully they’ll snap out of it with age.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
King Missile sang the sang about Jesus being so cool. Look up the lyrics sometime, the band is hilarious!
July 19th, 2007 at 1:34 am
I just wished this captured what Christianity was actually about. then maybe we wouldnt be criticized as much.
you know what? i’ll admit it: im a Christian. ooh. so what? and, unlike a lot of the interviews of teens on here, i DO know what i believe in. people should try knowing what they believe in BEFORE they believe in it.
but at least people are TRYING to show what being a Christian teen is like.
and it was cool seeing some of my friends on there and seeing some of my favorite stomping grounds =]
one week until im back in this very place…thank goodness.
oh, and God can bless that dudes skateboarding. He can do whatever He wants. He’s God. hello.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:58 am
“I just wished this captured what Christianity was actually about. then maybe we wouldnt be criticized as much.”
What is Christianity all about Anna? Because based on behaviors, it seems to be all about vilifying all who believe otherwise, denying rights to homosexuals, stigmatizing sex, and generally de-secularizing and undermining democracy. Many evangelical preachers are all about money. It looks like it’s about enforcing submission to authority, out-group fear mongering, and cherry-picking scripture. There is plenty to criticize.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
I wonder why you rarely to never hear people picking on Muslims or Budhists for not keeping up with their claims - I don’t know - I mean - no one is perfect - I do think that there are alot of people who claim Christianity, but really don’t know what its all about, so they end up painting a picture of strait up hypocrisy - all in the Name of Christ. I’ve been guilty of it myself, in the past. The important thing though, is learning from your mistakes. The truth is, Cristianity is about loving people, and having a relationship with God - becoming like Him! Way too many Christians have become so judgmental - it’s not right - that’s why no one likes us - but only God has the right to judge! So why are we trying to step into His shoes and do that? Also, if we are going to call ourselves Christians, it’s time to start choosing to live our lifestyles according to our faith, and really know what our faith is! I mean - freakin get educated on what you say you believe in - there are too many frauds out there - you can’t just believe everything you hear. And maybe another reason why alot of people prefer people of other religions over alot of Christians, is because they can actually respect the fact that so many of them are living by their faith - they are educated in their beliefs. However, they are not perfect either - like I said - no one is, accept Jesus/God. And not all Christian are hypocrites - it’s really a personal thing - a character thing. You really can’t judge a religion solely by it’s followers, you just have to educate yourself on the fundamentals of that religion, and make a choice for yourself; what are you going to believe in, and will you choose to live out that faith?!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Sadly, this is EXACTLY what Christianity is all about. People following MAN but using the name of Jesus as a cover. This cult religion is the most dangerous in the world because they have so many believing that they are serving the true God, when in reality it is Baal, a false God they serve. Indeed this video is true Christianity, but not true God faith. A pity they are blinded to the truth.
November 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
RRock, i can’t help but wonder what you consider yourself. If you believe in what the new testament of the “Holy Bible” says, then guess what, your a christian. Quit trying to seperate yourself from the horrible crap that christianity and all the other religions have brought upon this planet, because your a part of it.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Irish,
You remind me of an obnoxious neighbor trying to tell someone how to fix their car or build a shed when he himself is a bagger at the supermarket. In other words, you know nothing of which you speak. Tell you what, define the term Christian BIBLICALLY. After you fail I will tell you what it really means. I will never adhere to the concewpts and lifestyle of modern day Christianity. Never. You can call me whatever you want, and it still doesn’t make me one of them.
irishthunder Says:
November 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
RRock, i can’t help but wonder what you consider yourself. If you believe in what the new testament of the “Holy Bible†says, then guess what, your a christian. Quit trying to seperate yourself from the horrible crap that christianity and all the other religions have brought upon this planet, because your a part of it.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
You can’t define ANYTHING biblically. Why? because every person who reads it can infer whatever they want from it.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
No irish, YOU cannot define anything biblically. Why? because you are a lost soul who says there is no God hence who has not the Holy Spirit, which makes you, biblically, a damned fool. A pity really.
irishthunder Says:
November 13th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
You can’t define ANYTHING biblically. Why? because every person who reads it can infer whatever they want from it.
November 13th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
P.S. Please don’t try to fix your neighbor’s car!
November 14th, 2007 at 12:16 am
You can give a bible to every single person in the world and each and everyone of them would get a completely different interpretation from it.
Seriously, do you have ANY evidence for your god that doesn’t rely on the bible? There are religious texts that go back to the ancient greek gods and goddesses, and those were written LONG before that bible of yours, so whats the difference?
November 14th, 2007 at 9:59 am
Irish,
The book of Genisis goes back to the beginning. Why do you insist on assaulting our intelligence with your lack of? It is mentality like yours that made us get rid of commercial television. The commercials were an insult to our our intelligence. You speak out of a blind hatred and anger towards a sovreign God. Faith comes to you from God, then after you humble yourself before God and confess your sin, He reveals Himself to you. Until you do that you will only amuse and annoy the world like a dog chasing it’s tail, over & over & over. Poor Irish.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:47 am
Gah, RRock, you’re either to stupid, or to stubborn to see any other possible view of the argument.
also, you again fail to answer the point stated, and instead attempt to rfute a single example. Nice work.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
since you completely ignored the question I’ll just copy and paste…
“Seriously, do you have ANY evidence for your god that doesn’t rely on the bible? There are religious texts that go back to the ancient greek gods and goddesses, and those were written LONG before that bible of yours, so whats the difference?”
November 15th, 2007 at 12:43 am
RRock Says:
November 14th, 2007 at 9:59 am
Irish,
The book of Genisis goes back to the beginning. Why do you insist on assaulting our intelligence with your lack of? It is mentality like yours that made us get rid of commercial television. The commercials were an insult to our our intelligence. You speak out of a blind hatred and anger towards a sovreign God. Faith comes to you from God, then after you humble yourself before God and confess your sin, He reveals Himself to you. Until you do that you will only amuse and annoy the world like a dog chasing it’s tail, over & over & over. Poor Irish.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Howdy all,
RRock, it appears that you have mistaken the meaning of irishthunders question. I believe he was talking about when the books where written not the time frames the prose within appears to cover. Seeing how the meaning seems relatively clear to me I find it hard to understand how you could have misinterepted it. This does make it hard for me to accept that your interpretation of the bible would be the correct one when you cannot correctly intereate something as simple as Irish’s question.
Cheers
Simon Bond
November 15th, 2007 at 1:54 am
Let me clarify the question:
Do you have ANY evidence for your gods existence that doesn’t rely on the bible?
November 15th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Irishraindrop,
First answer me this and cite your database;
When was the book of Genesis first written?
November 15th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
The earliest source found is the dead sea scrolls from first century BC. I’ll cite a source instead of a database, look it up in wikipedia yourself.
Seeing as though that has absolutely nothing to do with my question, you think you could try to answer it?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Creation itself witnesses the existence of God. To try and corner me by insisting that I site another source other than the bible is immature and assinine. So then some book written by godless men would have more credence? Such thinking is so far beneath me that only your fellow Hell bound godless counterparts would appreciate it. The real truth of the matter is that the bible HAS been proven by many scientists, but you in your blind rebellion have chosen to ignore them in favor of liars.
Simon, on the other hand has shown some wisdom in his posts and replies, unlike Jag, Jayman, Irish, and Blasphemaster, all of whom are so steeped in dark ignorance that little hope remains for them.
Enjoy yourselves while you may, gentlemen! I have shaken the dust off me feet in protest at you. 14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
That does not bode well for you after this day.
irishthunder Says:
November 15th, 2007 at 1:54 am
Let me clarify the question:
Do you have ANY evidence for your gods existence that doesn’t rely on the bible?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
So…in other words the bible is fact because the bible says it’s fact and because the bible is fact everything in it is fact. Nothing else can be fact if it isn’t in the bible because the bible says everything else can’t be fact.
By the way, what parts of the bible (do you think) have been proven by science?
November 15th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
who lives in the bible belt of the USA?
November 16th, 2007 at 12:20 am
Your comments are quite risible, preacher man.
The fulminations are quite amusing to read. I actually have started to perversely enjoy the slant of your commentary.
I just wonder how long it will last before it runs dry and becomes stale. Diaphorous texts get boring quite fast and you do seem to prefer those.
November 16th, 2007 at 1:42 am
Jagannath, yours are quite amusing to read, too. I agree with RRock, you guys have no idea what he just said.
let it be done!
November 19th, 2007 at 4:03 am
I know exactly what he just said, it just doens’t make sense.
Rrock employs typical circular reasoning, as explained by Irish. Then he claims that “the bible is proven by ’science’” by which he presumably means that there was some kind of exodus, and a roman occupation of isreal etc. Which is the same thing as saying that Moby Dick is ’scientifically proven’ because there were people who hunted whales.
the rest is more threatening and religious drivel, which is always a sign of a christian losing the argument.
November 19th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
*Walks into the room… shouts* I have the answer fool!
November 19th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
No. no you don’t
November 19th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
MUUUUUA HAHAHA HA that is HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Where can I get one of those T-shirts that says “I mosh for Jesus” that is my cousin’s name “Jesus”
November 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Wait a sec…I thought Rock’n'Roll was the devils music?! WTF!
December 4th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
You know, all you believers are gona feel really stupid when you do all this stuff for nothing and dedicate your life to something that does not exist. But thats the paradox, when you die no one can come back and say “shit this religion this is wrong nothing happened” or “damn i saw god and smoked a joint with him”. I to have faith, faith in the fact that i do not believe in christianity.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I to have faith, faith in the fact that i do believe in OUR Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus, he gives life eternal.
We all have the freedom to accept or reject this free gift of salvation through his son Jesus.
I love the word of God.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
If you all want proof that Jesus is God then all you must do is invite Him into your heart as Lord and experience Him for yourself. When He walked the earth raising the dead and people watched this they still denied Him. I truly feel sorry for you guys that hate Him when HE loves you so much. I pray that some day you will be honest enough to admit yoy to need Him. I was one of those like you all who ridicule Christ once. Then He came to me and I gave my life to Him and He delivered me from alcoholism that I had been in from 14. This is all the proof I need and it would be enough for you if you would let Him love you.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
There are a fewof you that want proof that Jesus is real and the only way you will ever know is to give Him your life. After all, if I am right I gain eternity but what if you are wrong and the Binle is real? AT the worst I live my life and enjoy the restoration I have been given.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
crc:
In your post 40, your argument is tired and easily invalidated; you are merely presenting what is commonly known as Pascal’s Wager. See here for one of many complete destructions of what you have presented. You will probably find a thorough read of that link helpful, and it may even cure you of your jesus delusion.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Howdy all,
I must admit that I didn’t think I would see Pascal’s Wager coming up so often. I suppose it does demonstrate the very different way people approach the question of wether or not God does indeed exist.
Cheers
Simon Bond
December 9th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Korgan, you must have me mistaken for one of those who try and prove who God is. I have no desire to try and prove anything. I am simply showing you the way to eternal life and unfailing love because I love you all enough to be honest. Trying to prove the existence of God is like trying to prove that electricity exists. We cannot see electricity but we do see its power displayed in every aspect of life and nature. The same is true with Jesus. This weekend as I prayed for 2 people that were healed from diseases, I can assure you that I never seen God in person but I did see the effect of His power. I also felt His love as He held me and poured His heart out to me. I am not sure why anyone would deny this kind of love.
As for offering you proof, If you were not so busy trying to convince all that you are this incredibly strong and independant person you to would find this love by asking Him to forgive you for your sins against Him and then you to could know and have this same relationship with God that many of us have. I will be praying for you!
P.S. The Lord wants you to know that He is not the kind of Father that will fail you and leave you when times get tough. Blessings!
December 9th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I also would like to apologize for RRock that earlier in this blog was acting as a raving lunatic. I do not know him but i can say that the type of anger that he displayed is not O.K. Jesus would not resort to childish name calling and get defensive in that way so as a pastor I apologize for his ignorance. Thanks! Chad
December 9th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
crc,
The healing powers of your god have been often claimed and never proven. In that regard, doctors and modern medical science deserve credit for healing, not some fictional deity. If we followed christian teachings instead of modern medicine in medical practise, countless epidemics would not have been prevented and millions of people would have died as a result. Giving credit for healing to religion instead of to medicine is not merely wrong; it is dangerously wrong thinking, and lethal on a global scale.
You’ve since said that you aren’t trying to prove the existence of your god, yet you continue to attempt to present arguments to that effect, so you are contradicting yourself.
As previously noted, in your post 40, you had essentially presented Pascal’s Wager as an argument for the existence of your god. Did you review the reference that I provided regarding Pascal’s Wager, and do you now wish to step back from what you said in post 40?
December 10th, 2007 at 9:50 am
My religious was in town and stayed with me over the weekend. As we often do, we discusses religious topics. I was stunned when she rattled off a version of Pascal’s Wager! After dismantling the ‘argument’ per the usual arguments, I asked her about why she used that ‘argument’. She says that it’s increased in popularity in Christian circles recently.
I guess it’s just one of those fads. I wonder if it is due to a new, popular Christian speaker or author revitalizing it.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
I think the christians are running out of good arguments.
Well, that’s not really true, as there aren’t any good arguments supporting something that’s wrong.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
The really wierd thing is that you all keep talking about religion and I hope you noticed that I never mentioned it nor do I agree with it. Religion is merely theory without experience. What I am talking about is an incredible relationship with the Creator of the universe and all that exists within. As you must realize it is not easy to deny the one you talk to and inteact with daily. It is incredible to pray for someone and have them get up completely healed. This weekend the lady had a tumor the size of a tangerine and immediately it was gone. Since it was the Name of Jesus, the One and Only true God, It could have only been Him that healed her. WHy does it bother you that God loves His children so much? What has He done to you but love you so very much? You truly amaze me. Jesus has nothing against modern medicine but why would i spend thousands of dollars and months healing from something that Jesus paid for? It just seems much easier to recieve prayer and be healed then to cut someone in half, put someone elses kidney in them, and be on medication the rest of their life. 2 Minutes in prayer and no scar compared to a lifetime of rehab. If you choose the later it is your perogative but I just don’t understand why any intelligent person would do that.
Again you say that we are arguing. We have no reason to argue nor should we. All I desire to do is offer Christ to you. If I have to talk you into Jesus or explain Him to you then salvation is not yours. The bible says that those who come to Christ must first believe that Jesus is God. All i must do is tell you the truth and leave it up to you to choose it. I would rather you be saved but if you don’t want to be I can not force you. The world has a wierd view of what Christians think. Think about it, If you were drowning and I threw you a life preserver, would I be worried about trying to prove to you that it was real? No, I would simply be offering you a hand from the kindness of my heart. Blessings to you all and I pray you soon understand the truth! Chad
December 10th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
P.S. I give credit for all healing to Christ. Jesus is author of life and when life is extended or enhanced I credit my Jesus with that. I am sure that you are not aware that Seatle is one of the nations healthiest cities do to a Healing Minister that was there in the 1940’s. The mayor actually publicly honored this revivalist do to his influence over demons and disease. If Jesus had everyone in the world as His child there would be no sickness. Disease and sickness is caused by Satan and sin. Think about it, If two generations would follow the laws of Christ, all sexually transmitted diseases would be destroyed. Jesus is the God of life and health! Man has been given wisdom to help people but Jesus is the One that recieve all the credit!
December 10th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Howdy all,
“The really wierd thing is that you all keep talking about religion”
Given that this site is dedicated to talking about religion I do hope you are not really that surprised by the amount of religous discussion on here. I would even hazadous a guess that whatever it was that led you to this site had something to do with religion.
“and I hope you noticed that I never mentioned it nor do I agree with it. Religion is merely theory without experience. What I am talking about is an incredible relationship with the Creator of the universe and all that exists within. As you must realize it is not easy to deny the one you talk to and inteact with daily.”
This statement here clarifies for me what you are getting at, even if scares me a little. I have noticed the trend of religous people to try and distance themselves from the word “religion”. Religion basically just means a system of beliefs. How you come up with those beliefs is your business. However it is obvious from your post that you have a system of beliefs for whatever reason and as far as I can tell the definition of the word reilgion applies.
As for your claims of prayer completely healing a person I’m sorry but I will not take the word of someone I don’t know posting as fact on a forum and believe it to be true. I find the whole concept to be extrodiarily unlikely and would need a signiciate amount of proof before I would consider you to have the correct answer.
“WHy does it bother you that God loves His children so much?”
It doesn’t bother me at all actually. What I find difficult is to believe in him at all.
“Again you say that we are arguing. We have no reason to argue nor should we. All I desire to do is offer Christ to you.”
This is the problem, you desire to offer Christ to me and fail to see my side of it. Sometimes all I want is for you to not offer Christ to me.
“Think about it, If you were drowning and I threw you a life preserver, would I be worried about trying to prove to you that it was real? No, I would simply be offering you a hand from the kindness of my heart. Blessings to you all and I pray you soon understand the truth”
I believe your analogy here is flawed in the context you are trying to use it. From our pespective we are also trying to offer you a life preserver and you ask us to prove that it is true. So good luck to you and I hope soo you will understand the truth.
Cheers
Simon Bond
p.s. I apologise for this post being all over the place and not at my usual standard but I am a little short on time and just wrote it down as it came out. Normally I like to give a little thought to how I phrase things to ensure that my message is clear and understandable.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
If you seen a man that was thirsty would it not been the humane thing to do to offer him a drink? That is what I am talking about. From where I stand, as one that thought Jesus Christ was a curse word until I was 20 years old, there was a thirst that I never knew I had until I found Jesus. Thats all I am saying. I have walked as far as I could get on both sides of salvation, from drugs and alcoholism at 14 years old to 26 years old, and speak from that angle. I had the life preserver that nonbelievers have and let it go 8 years ago when I found out it was a brick.
Why do you find Christ difficult to believe in? My reason was because I never seen someone live a life that reflected Jesus and so I never had the chance to experience Him through others. Now I can say that I daily walk and talk with Him and He does with me. I know it sounds wierd but its not.
I am not trying to seperate myself from the word religion but I just do not see my intimate relationship with Christ as religion no more that I see my relationship with my spouse as religion. To me it is all about the relationship.
If you are not seeking Christ yourself then why are you here on a religious site? It does seem a little strange to me that there are mant “non=believers” on a site about religion. Is there not the slightest interest in Jesus?
As for these healings, I have doctor validated proof thatthese miracles are happening. Just this past weekend a woman with hepatitis b and cancer in her lymphnodes was healed and her doctor did tests on Monday and the Hepatitis that was the first two test was somehow gone along with every symptom she had and also three tumors she came with mysteriously disappeared and even her doctor who was not a believer said that something miraculous happened because he just saw this stuff on Friday. I am not asking you to take my word for it but I am asking you to ask any physician and they will tell you they see this stuff all the time. Well gotta go Simon. You seem like a very intelligent man so just ask Jesus to show Himself to you if He is real and He will do that. After all, we all want the truth right? If you don’t want to know that is O.K. but if you do just simply ask. It is really that simple. Thanks again, Chad
December 13th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Howdy all,
Once again I think your analagy is flawed. I do not consider myself thirsty, (in the respect that you mean) you have made this assumption yourself. I do understnad that it was based on your personal expereince, however that is valid only to you. The more people like yourself attempt to save me the more I feel like I’m drowning and your pooring more water in over my head. Perhaps you should consider other peoples perpective and beliefs beofre you start preaching to people that havn’t asked or have said that they don’t wish to be preached to.
Cheers
Simon Bond
December 14th, 2007 at 2:22 am
CRC, WHAT! It does seem a little strange…
CRC, it great to hear from a brother and your testimony. every man therefore that has heard and as learned of the Father, comes to Jesus for he knows in his heart that there is no greater love than his.
It is great that we believe on the Son of God who gives us a thrist for his word, a thirst not of this world for we thrist no more, his word that is so sweet. As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man. CRC thanks for sharing your love for our Lord and Saviour who is Christ Jesus of our hearts.
CRC, we can sow the seed for we were once lost. We must understand that when we were lost we did not know of the living water you talk about or thrist you mention. A person, a brother on you tube after i gave him a hard time told me that it is God that does the work in our hearts and not us.
I hope you guys have a great day. Can you guys do something for me… tell someone in your family how much you appreciate them and lift them up(their spirit) today, if not just forget i mentioned it, that’s all.
December 14th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Hyrocket reminded me, I hope everyone tells someone today that Thor loves them. Unless they are not one of his followers, then beat them in the head with your warhammer. THOR BE PRAISED!!!
December 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
I didn’t realize that telling you the joy I have found in Jesus was preaching, I thought it was more like finding a great treasure and feeling guilty for not telling others about the treasure. I would rather die then to live and keep the greateset treasure known to man hidden to myself. Sorry if I offended you in trying to bless you but I truly cannot help but tell what an incredible and wonderful God that Jesus is. How about this, I will simply speak about how great He is and leave it to others whether or not they listen. I pray that Jesus would soon open your hearts and reveal to you how truly great and loving He is. Blessings to all! Chad
December 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Simon, one thing I promise you is that I am not trying to save you but merely share the treasure I found. Would it be Christlike of me to be stingy? Chad
December 14th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Hyrocket, what is strange about talking with and hearing from Jesus? Doesn’t Jesus say in the book of John, “My sheep hear my voice and they follow Me”? Why would you say that this is strange? This is the normal Christian life. Jesus said in John 14:12, “The things that I do you should do also and not just these things but greater things”. I do believe He was serious. Afterall we are the bride of Christ, right?.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Hello CRC,
But do you seriously believe that anyone in the English speaking world (and well beyond) hasn’t already heard about your particular ‘treasure’ several dozen times before? It’s the repetition that makes people tune out, not the message.
I can at least tell you that most of us here have already seriously considered what Christianity has to offer but have found it wanting for various reasons.
December 16th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
sidfaiwu, it is good to hear from you. Have you ever thought that the reason you hear from so many about Jesus is because many have found the same conclusion? That He is incredibly good. I am not trying to be sarcastic just casting a thought. Also I am truly wondering what about Christ you have taken into serious consideration and what about Him have you not found appealing. I can remeber the first time I ever heard about Jesus and there seemed to be this incredible pull from my heart that I just knew that Christ is God. It wasn’t like anyone had to convince me but rather that I knew it was a fact in my heart without having to go through a thousand pages of debates. One thing that I also found was that as I embraced Christ as Lord He began to reveal Himself to me more and more.
Sidfaiwu, can you tell me why people will not simply ask Jesus to reveal Himself to them if they really want to know truth? He has no problem with those who struggle understanding Him and His love so why is iy so hard to simply get people to ask? I truly don’t know any other way they can ever know since in order to know Him we must first have faith. I mean, what do they have to lose? I hope to hear back from you!
One last question, If there are millions of people with the same message, isn’t it just probable that we will hear it more often? Afterall, it is a pretty good message. Do people honestly get tired of hearing that the God who created the universe is madly in love with them? If so, why would that be offensive or tiring? Chad
December 17th, 2007 at 2:06 am
But that is the problem, the message is never the same. Those who are bent on converting or telling me the good message never have the same story. Such discrepancy undermines credibility and if christians are not able to get on the same page then why non-christians should join in? Many preach that worship of wrong god gets you on the wrong end of Argumentum ad baculum (Appeal to force) so why should one select one version over other? Even the flawed nature of Pascals wager is more accentuated when the number of right gods rise.
By merely opening the television and watching the news, this claim is refuted. It is quite old claim yet one of the most unsubstantiated and is proven to be wrong every minute. Unless you mean that he is incredibly good to select few and even then you prove that he is not incredibly good. That claim is refuted in a most eloquent way by Percy Bysshe Shelley;
Triple-Omni paradox and poetry, a true match of beauty and logic.
That is peculiar and common depiction but it just makes me wonder. IF jesus wants all to believe to him, why he reveals himself more to those who are already in his camp, why not reveal himself to those who do not believe? It defies my understanding and sounds very much like mysticism, you can know more by not doubting and merely throwing yourself into the throes of your personal belief.
If you do not believe that god created the universe, nor that the message is as good as presented, would that not be offensive and tiring?
Assume that most every day people come to you and say there is no god. You clearly believe there is, so would that not be offensive to you? They would be handing you leaflets and wants you to join them in a discussion circle over the non-existence of the god. Would that not be tiring if it would be continuous and there would be variations of the theme, god is dead concept, god is non-existent, god is meme of nothingness, god is empty circle. Which of the messages could you choose as those all claim to say the same thing but are yet clearly different in meaning.
Can you honestly say that you would not find it offensive and tiring if the process would continue from year to year with some celebrations like the day of no god at the end of the year? Also if you would keep on proclaiming the existence of the god, you would be threatened, at work you would be shunned and in general your existence would be made as uncomfortable as possible, would it not be offensive and tiring to you?
December 17th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Hello again crc,
Jagannath answered much of your comment quite admirably. But since you asked me some direct questions, I will respond in kind.
No. The reason is that I live in a region of the world were Christianity is the dominant religion. If I lived in Egypt, I’d hear about Mohammed all the time. Elsewhere, I’d hear about Krishna all the time. Still another location, it would be Buddha constantly. It is an accident of geography.
The whole damned thing. I used to be a Christian. The reason I recognized that it is flawed is, at the core, the Christian definition of God is inconsistent. I like the way David Hume put it:
Essentially, it was the problem of evil/suffering that killed my belief in Christianity.
I can’t completely speak for others, but I think most of us believe nothing will come of it. I’ll demonstrate…
Jesus, will you reveal yourself to me? … … … … Nothing happened. Just as nothing happened when I was a believer.
What do you mean by ‘have faith’? The phrase tends to change meaning with the speaker.
Yes, tiring. Then again, I don’t get offended easily. Jagannath nicely turned the question around for you. Allow me to modify it and ask you, “Would you honestly get tired of hearing that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is His Messenger? If so, why would that be offensive or tiring?
To sum up my reasoning, allow me to paraphrase Bertrand Russel:
December 18th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
If muhammed were raised from the dead and alive right now then he might have a leg to stand on. I can not imagine serving a God that is dead, What would be the purpose? I figured that somewhere along the way you were disappointed by the church and I can understand that. The church is still an organization that has mans involvement and therefore will always have some sort of flaw. The fact is that evil and suffering is not something that are from Christ. In fact Satan is known as the god of this world and is the author of suffering and pain. Jesus also said that He came to destroy the works of the devil which pain, suffering, death, disease, and so on are a part of. Satan is the one that introduced death and torment to this world and for some crazy reason people want to blame Jesus for this. This is why I have been given authority over death, sickness, disease, pain and demons, because I have been born again and made in His image and likeness and have been given the inheritance of the Kingdom of God that allows me to have all the spiritual blessings in the heavens. I am one that will live forever and never die. This is what Jesus did for me and you all. The only difference is that I have accepted what He died for, my eternal life and freedom from the devil, and you all haven’t yet. But it is free to you also.
I must say that I daily do hear people refuse to believe in Jesus and no I am not offended. Why would people get offended because I experience something different than they do? You guys forget that I spent 26 years of my life as a sinner and never found the anything offensive about the message of Christ when I first heard of it. Nor does most people.
sidfaiwu, the reason you have not got an answer yet is because you mockingly ask but I tell you that you will have an answer and soon.
In closing I resist all other religions because the all have gods that are dead and impersonal. there is not one religion that speaks of having a personal relationship with their god but on the contrary their gods are wither still engragved or at the very best far removed from their life. Who would desire that when my Jesus sits down with me every day and talks with me and I with Him. Again, Jesus is no about religion, but relationship. What other god can offer this? Also, What other God would give me an inheritance in their Kingdom and accept me as their own child? What other God would give me the power to raise the dead, heal the sick, cast out demons and cleansing the lepers? There are absolutely none that can or will make this same offer because there is but One true and Living God and Jesus is He, Jehovah, King of Kings and Lord of lords thi is my God.
You guys do’t just live in a region of the world where Christianity is the main religion, you live in a world where Jesus is celebrated as God at least twice as much as all other religions combined. There is a reason for this. Although it is the youngest of all religions, Christ is the only Authentic God and therefore has become the worlds main religion. The time will soon come that you will need Jesus, I pray for you all that it is before Judgement day. In closing I want to say that Jesus sends no one to hell, He gives them the way out and people choose the burning house. Chad
December 18th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
“I can not imagine serving a God that is dead, What would be the purpose?”
So youd rather worship a zombie instead?
By the way, your religion and god are no different them the THOUSANDS of other gods that have been worshiped during the history of mankind. Eventually historians will veiw your god in the same light as we see odin or ra.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:09 am
@CRC
With few sentences you have summed up the reason not to believe in any god in a simple form.
December 19th, 2007 at 9:39 am
Hello CRC,
Nope. The message was the disappointment, not the messengers.
Blaming Satan only begs the question. I’ll just paraphrase Hume:
I asked sincerely, at least in the past. And still, nothing happened. That section of my post was really to illustrate that it’s not as simple as believers would make it out to be. By “sincerely asking Jesus to reveal himself”, they really mean “delude yourself into believing that he already has revealed himself”.
I suspect that you haven’t really looked into other religions. Jews worship the same God, right? Also, I found this on a Hindu website:
And I found this on a Muslim website (I won’t link all of them since that would cause my comment to get filtered):
Then there is this from the Baha’i faith:
Here’s an excerpt from the Mormon’s website:
And these are just the modern religions that I can think of. It seems your claim is false, very false. So why do you dismiss Judaism, Hinduism, Baha’ism, Islam, and Mormonism again?
It’s time for some more fact-checking… Nope, you’re wrong again. According to Adherents’ website, only 33% of the world’s population are Christians. That’s twice as many who do not celebrate Jesus as God.
I hate to keep doing this, but you are wrong again. Islam, Mormonism, Baha’ism, and Scientology are a few younger religions.
I’m afraid that you’ve been misinformed by your religious leaders. Ask yourself, if they are willing to lie to you about these simple facts, what else might they be dishonest about?
December 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
I hate to tell you but mormonism is not new but is rather a perversion of the original. They believge 90% of the Holy Scriptures. Joseph Smith perverted the others with his “visions” in the crystals.
Judaism I embrace with open rms and the Jewish community I respect and revere as they are Gods Chosen people from the beginning. This is why no matter how much the world has brought against them they have prospered in the end. They are now the wealthiest per capita people group in the world. I have mant friends that are Messianic Jews and we even have some of the Rabbis teach at our church from time to time.
Islam is a younger religion but is still based on the foundation of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the original Hebrew Fathers. Islam claim to be the desendants of Ishmael while Christian are the desendants of Isaac. I am aware that the scriptures say that there will always be enmity between the two because Jacob disowned his son Ishmael at the request of Sarah. This all said,he Koran is based on hatred for any that are infidels or unbelievers while the Jesus teaches to love those who hate you. This is a religion os absolute hatred to thye degree that they claim that kills himself to kill an unbeliever recieves 70 virgins in heaven. Why would I serve a god of hate and death?
I have not beeen informed by my leaders but rather by my own studies and experience. I am not one that spends all of my time trying to disprove others religions but immerse myself in Jesus Christ. When the government teaches how to notice counterfeit money they do not have them study the counterfeit, they have them study the genuine and the counterfeit is anything else. That is wher I stand and stay! Blessings to all! Chad
December 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I hate to tell you but mormonism is not new but is rather a perversion of the original. They believge 90% of the Holy Scriptures. Joseph Smith perverted the others with his “visions” in the crystals.
Judaism I embrace with open rms and the Jewish community I respect and revere as they are Gods Chosen people from the beginning. This is why no matter how much the world has brought against them they have prospered in the end. They are now the wealthiest per capita people group in the world. I have mant friends that are Messianic Jews and we even have some of the Rabbis teach at our church from time to time.
Islam is a younger religion but is still based on the foundation of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the original Hebrew Fathers. Islam claim to be the desendants of Ishmael while Christian are the desendants of Isaac. I am aware that the scriptures say that there will always be enmity between the two because Jacob disowned his son Ishmael at the request of Sarah. This all said,he Koran is based on hatred for any that are infidels or unbelievers while the Jesus teaches to love those who hate you. This is a religion os absolute hatred to thye degree that they claim that kills himself to kill an unbeliever recieves 70 virgins in heaven. Why would I serve a god of hate and death?
I have not beeen informed by my leaders but rather by my own studies and experience. I am not one that spends all of my time trying to disprove others religions but immerse myself in Jesus Christ. When the government teaches how to notice counterfeit money they do not have them study the counterfeit, they have them study the genuine and the counterfeit is anything else. That is wher I stand and stay! One thing that you cannot dispute is that Christianity is by far the largest of all religions. Because it is the genuine and those who have tasted and seen that Christ is Good testify still that He is th Way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the FAtrher except through Him!Blessings to all! Chad
December 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Oh yeah, scientology, another perversion of the original, Why do you think they call it Christian Scientology. Because they want the Authority that Comes in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus said that many would come in His name but we are to dismiss them! Again there is only One Original! Chad
December 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
One more thing, The other religions say you can worship their gods but none allow you to become their own children which Jehovah does! That is personal! Chad
December 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Blaming Satan is notthe point I was trying to make, What I was saying is that Satan created destruction and we as man decide to walk in that destruction or to walk in the life with Jesus. You all have the choice to make. How would God be loving if HE forced us to serve Him or Forced us to be good. He won’t force us to do anthing. What does amaze me is that men are not man enough to stand up and say< “I made some poor choices and caused this to happen to myself”. It was Christs intention for us live in a paradise but we chose to leave it for our own desires. That is not the devils fault or Gods but is mans own choosing that brings him pain and destruction or his children. Even when we did sin Christ paid for that, is that not good enough? He gave his life for you to live eternally and we as americans think that we deserve more! There is no other culture in the world that thinks this way. I have been in many countries doing missionary work and every where else people are grateful for His sacrifice. Only in the US would people believe that they deserve more and try to blame someone else for their wrong. Especially God! The one that came to help them.
December 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
I know some Jews who would say the same thing about Christianity. Your lack of acceptance of Mormonism fails to unmake it a religion. It is still a younger religion than Christianity. Your facts were still wrong.
You do. Have you read the Old Testament?
So you haven’t studied other religions but somehow know they are counterfeit. Interesting. Actually I study all the world religions in case one is right. I’ve found them all wanting so far.
Yep, and this makes sense if you know your history. This is because Europe was the first global colonialists and they took their religion with them. It’s certainly not because it is true. Everyone used to believe that the world was flat, for instance. Agreement doesn’t guarantee truth.
There is no such thing as “Christian Scientology”. Are you confusing “Scientology” with “Christian Scientists”? They are two very different groups. Check out Scientology and you’d know that it has absolutely nothing to do with your religion.
So you still haven’t described why you dismiss all other religions.
Here we go again…
So all 225,000 people (thousands of which were children) who died in the 2004 Tsunami all had it coming, eh? Or are their grieving family members just not ‘man’ enough to admit that it was due to the victims’ own choices?
December 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pm
I did not say that the 225,000 men in the tsunami had it coming noir do I believe this. The rain falls on the just and the unjust but how do you threaten the believer in Christ with heaven? The ones that drowned in that tsunami that knew Christ as Savior are right now in paradise with Christ. As the Apostle PAul said, to live is Christ and to die is gain. There is absolutely nothing to lose by losing physical life and there is everything to gain. I can see that you are just going to need some time for Christ to soften your heart before you realize that He is the Lord of lords.
Will you allow me to give one bit of advise? STop trying to understand everything. There are things the scriptures called mysteries and they are meant to be searched out by the Holy Spirit in us and apart from Him we will never understand. My dad used to say to me as a kid that sometimes people become so smart they become ignorant. I also see this as fact. Since the Garden man had been trying to know everything so that they can be like God but Isaiah 55 tells us that His ways are above our ways and His thoughts are above our thoughts as far as the heavens are from the Earth are His ways and thoughts above ours. The fact is that the more we inderstand as humans the more questions we have. Is this not true? We have made so many assumptions in our lifetimes and claimed them as fact only to disprove everything man “discovers”. We are an ignorant and futile people for even thinking somehow we might begin to understand everything. I might not be a proffessional on everything and truly do not desire to be, but this I am sure of, That Jesus, the Son of God came to Earth and died for my sin and yours to be forgive and He forms relationships with all those who will come to Him and humble themselves. Again, man started the entire ball of sin rolling at satans temptation in the garden and God has made a way out even while we hated Him He died for us. You may never accept Him but it will never change His love for you. I truly do pray that you would lay down your human wisdom to gain Spiritual understanding of Christs love for you. Sin and Evil is alive in this world and God has conquered it through Jesus, but He leaves it to us to embrace it. not only is God able and capable and willing, but the question is, Are you willing to do your part because He has done His. Why is there Satan? Because how would it feel if your wife said that she loved you because there was no other choice? Love is based on choice and we could never truly love Him if we never had a choice not to love Him and follow someone else.
How is the aids virus spread in most cases? Originally? Sex. If two people remained abstinet until marriage this would be no concern as would 99% of STD’S. All disease began from sin and has now progressed to where we are today. Disease was not in the Garden and will not be in heaven. Everywhere that righteousness is the only choice, disease is absent as is death. Again, our choices to sin cause allmost all of our problems. If not your own sin then the sin of your fathers.
December 21st, 2007 at 8:16 pm
P.S. It is by faith alone in Jesus that you will ever know truth. There are things that are true and then you have truth. When you find someone filled with cancer it is a fact that they have cancer but the truth is that Christ paid for their healing. It is true that you and I are born in sin and it is truth that Jesus died to destroy the works of the devil. Accept Him as Lord and forever live as His Son! Chad
December 21st, 2007 at 9:08 pm
crc/Chad
Your prior statements were effectively countered (well, decimated, actually) by Sid’s reasonable and well-reasoned response. Fundamentally, you didn’t have the facts right. Have you nothing better to counter with than yet more preaching?
It would be beneficial for you to stop your regurgitation of christian dogma that we have all heard before, and put some time instead into trying to understand even the subject matter that you are presented with above. Giving up on trying to understand, such as you suggest doing, is at best a cop out, and more significantly, looks to represent an attempt to shield religion from the critical examination that it has long deserved (and thus far is unable to withstand).
December 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 pm
You all are trying to understand the supernatural from a natural perspective. Allow me to say that ignorance is not bliss nor is it wise. It is like being 3 years old and trying to understand calculous. If you can not look at the heavens and see the works of God and His evidence then neither would you believe despite how much evidence you had. The fact is that there are those that will see the Lord returning on a white hrse with the hosts of heaven with Him as Hos army and still try to explain Him away. You say that I am preaching but I tell you that I desire to see you in the Kingdom of God. If you are so hardened and calloused of heart that you do not know truth when you hear it then for you it is truly to late/ Romans 1 tells us that their will be those who trade the truth of God for a lie and they will perish for it. I pray that this is not you. One thing I gaurentee, the day will come when you wish you had and that day you will remember what I am telling you now. This will be my last post and I will leave you with these words.
Jesus came unto His own but His own recieved Him not. Neithe did Christ force them to but gave the a choice. We are not like animals we are able to reason and make choices from that reasoning. the problem is that your reasoning will never lead you to Christ because it doesn’t make sense to us that He would love us enough to give His firstborn Son for us but even though it makes no sense it is truth. Again I say, CHOOSE NOW and stop riding the fence! BE MEN and stop blaming you ignorance on the Lord but open your heart to Him and let Him show you what you desire to know. I tell you as His representative that He does love you but soon there will be no more time for cinicism and mindless arguments that establish nothing more than your own pride refuses you. I plead with you as though you hand from a cliff with your life in the balance, step into Jesus and allow Him to save you for soon, very soon, within the next 30 days you will wish you had. That is all I have to say. I have given you truth and you have not recognized it but I pray the scales soon be removed from your eyes and you would see the truth that has come to you. The pride that you wear like a necklace will be sacrficed as an offering to the Lord sooner thatn you know! I do pray that it is here, on this side of eternity for if not then you seal your own fate. You all no longer have a right to stand before Jesus and say I didn’t know, because I have told you the truth. Please listen to me, not with your mind that is filled with the worlds arrogance but with your heart that beats within you and absolutely knows the truth that your mind denies. Jesus Christ is LORD!!
December 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I am very sad that you allow your “reasoning” that God calls foolishness to stand between you and eternity. One day you will know for yourself and I pray that it is not before the day of judgement. It is appointed for every man once to die and then the judgement. Please lay down your pride and humble yourself before Jesus and accept His love now. He will give you every chance to humble yourself but if you refuse then you have no right to stand before Him and claim ignorance as a defense. This is my last post. I pray that somehow God would break this hardness and anger from your hearts that you might find the truth you say you look for. Again. If you all truly were looking for truth you would turn to Christ in humility and ask Him sincerely and He would show you. You are sent as an adversary of the devil and Satan laughs at you as he uses you like puppets. Please allow the truth to penetrate your heart before it is too late which will not be long. CRC
December 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 pm
CRC, i just wanted to thank you for sharing your heart with the guys here. i understand if you must leave and the truth you shared has encouraged me. It is a of wonderful joy to call you a brother in our Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.
Mightier than the thunders of many waters,
mightier than the waves of the sea,
the Lord on high is mighty!
Chad, i have been on and under the sea and the power that i have seen is nothing compared to what God can do. Oh, the power of the sea is so cool. Stand strong Chad for the truth you have in your heart is more powerful than the waves of the sea, for nothing can compare to the love of God.
i have mentioned the people you talked with in my prayers and i will mention you my brother, your wife and family aswell, May the spirit of God be with you and love for His word shine as you continue to share the gospel with people.
December 23rd, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Hyrocket, I have a word for you from the Lord. He says that He is about open to you a new season of life where there is no longer the spirit of fear that causes you to freeze when sharing the gospel face to face. He has given you an opportunity to defend the Nation and the Kingdom of God and calls you His Warrior. He ask you to wear proudly the seal of His Spirit and shout from the mountains what He shares in secret. You are a wathchman on the wall for Christ and the Lord wiil alow you ti increase in dreams and visions as you will need these for this new season. The Lord also says that there is a generational disease that is plagueing your family and I keep seeing a heart, so I believe that it has something to do with heart disease. I am not completely sure on the vision of the heart. But the Lord says that He is bringing and end to this plague and commands the sisease to loose you generations! Beginning with you and on to your children. The Lord says that there is also a child that is yours that doesn’t live with you and these blessings will even affect them. The last thing the Lord says for you is that your financial hardships are soon over. The Lord has declared the word abundance over you and from here on you will begin to see exponential increase in finances and also spiritual blessing.
Lord I pray that right now You would open the heavens to Hyrocket and allow him to openly see the angels ascending and descending. Break open the heavens and rain down blessing on him so that he will not be able to contain all of it. Restore relationships that have been broken and destroy every weapon formed against him. Release your Spirit in measures that overwhelm him and consume him. May the Lolrd bless and keep you and make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you and give you shalom shalom, the peace that passes understanding!
Hyrocket, it has been a pleasure to meet you brother! I love you in the Lord and bless you in Jesus Name! Merry Christmas! Chad
December 23rd, 2007 at 7:16 pm
crc/Chad
You’ve been presented in prior posts with some pretty severe flaws in your religion. If all you can come back with is yet more preaching, instead of responding in some considered way to the criticism, then a reasonable conclusion is that you are just putting up a smokescreen because your religion can’t hold up under examination. In fact, I think that is the correct conclusion.
I wish you all a happy new year, and especially one that sees a decline in religion and all the evil it brings with it.
December 23rd, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Chad, thank you for that prayer, post#78… i plan to read this to my family as we celebrate our Lord & Saviour this month and the New Year to come… Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, my Brother!
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I (Christ Jesus)came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
this simple verse speaks of the evil that is relevant as in a simple joke and as i laugh at this simple joke and is so relevant as in the heart of that said it. as that road leads to very essence as of a thief. We my Brother Chad and everyone that ask of “OUR” Lord & Saviour Christ Jesus is that life we celebrate always and the hope we have abundantly.
Thanks Korgan and I pray that you have a safe and joyous Christmas and New Year.
God Bless you ALL!
Thanks Chad - tell your family I said Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year- Praise God!!
Michael
December 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 pm
It was worth a try. But it’s clear CRC doesn’t value reason all that much, at least not as much as the mythologies he grew up with. Stories have the power to capture our minds. Unfortunately, they also have the power to imprison them indefinitely.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Jesus loves you . . . but not in “that” way . . . and how did all these posts get so off-topic? As I see it, Christian “rock” has always been lame. Rock is about rebellion, and anyone who has studied history knows that rebellion was dealt with quite harshly by the various sects of Christianity (and Islam, and Judaism, etc.). The idea of “Christian Rock” is nothing more than a pr scam . . . “hey, let’s get some mediocre guitarists and some tattoos, and the kids will think Christianity is cool!” Stephen Baldwin had a similar idea in his “skateboard for jesus” tape, and said as much. Finally, squarely back on topic, there was a wonderful segment about the lameness of Christian rock in the Adult Swim series “Metalacolypse,” when one of the members almost dies and decides to “get religion.” I reccomend it for several reasons, all of them humorous. Great website, gasmonos, even if I am a scientific agnostic and not an athiest (but a couple of my best friends are athiests, does that count?) . . .
February 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
As a child it always struck me how lame christian music was.
nauseatingly insipid at best. plain forced shit the rest of the time. urgh.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
sex, drugs and christ??? i dont think so…. these people are uneducated and just followers its a sad world and dangerous to think that people cant think on their own and believe in make believe stories—-its almost 2010 people , fuck your so called jesus
November 19th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Cheers for post 84. Right on.
Yeah, someone’s alive and thinking out there.
November 19th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
netyahoo can’t you think for youreslf?!
November 20th, 2009 at 4:53 am
ROTFL
November 21st, 2009 at 4:21 am
Muslim Women, we are “worlds apart” but here is a song from Jars of Clay, i hope it works for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq_El_J7jMM
November 21st, 2009 at 10:13 am
In some ways I share jagannath’s sentiments of 87, but I also tend to feel pity for hyrocket:
hyrocket, I see a few posts here by you and in each and every single one of them it’s clear that you are just not able to think through what is being talked about.
I kind of don’t want to ask, but do you have a mental disability? It’s gotta be either something like that or you are just stuck in bad dogma and are not willing to think. Or maybe you are just being lazy. Which is it?
May 21st, 2010 at 6:33 am
reminds me a bit of a Hudson River School piece..the colors and reflection so soft and warm. Lovely.
July 11th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Jesus freaks was a bit short, I’d like it if it had continued on into more interviews, more depth and a larger portion of the festival being investigated.
It was an interesting view of what American christian teens delve into, as an alternative “church”.
Ok documentary, wish there was more.
September 2nd, 2010 at 2:47 pm
We like this website given and it has offered me some sort of desire to succeed for some good reason, so thanks.