Questions 1-2

Question: Which school do you fall into? –Scott
Question
: If you reject all forms of organized religion why do you believe in a deity at all? –Scott

Answer: I fall into the realm of Critical Pan-Deism.  If you would like to know my full progress through the schools, then observe this.

I started as a Critical Christian Deist (finding fault with modern Christian dogma).  I felt that there were some things wrong with organized religion, but at the time, still clung to the Christian tenets that I was taught my whole life.  It was a big thing for me to move away from this.  My whole family believed it fervently and some members of my family were very vocal about the end-times.  I was still stuck with the fear-aspect of some mimetic shock.

As I continued onward, I struck upon the Discovery of Diversity.  As many early Deists, my exposure to the amazingly large diversity of beliefs in the world lead me to question why the one I was randomly born into was correct.  However, logically I started to conclude that none of them had any more validity.  Just because one had more followers or came first really did not seem to matter.  Many people I spoke with could give no other reason for their originally believing than their birth into it.  At this time, I also began to encounter other types of Christians, who apparently viewed my Catholicism as non-Christian and found that even amongst the other Christian groups some viewed the others as cults or overly liberal breakaways that had strayed from the “True Message”.  Seeing that even the Monolith of Christianity was cracked with diversity and in-fighting, I was able to cast off the fear of my upbringing and come into Constructive Pure Deism (no affiliation to a religion but finding truths in all of them).

As I continued to observe the world and form my thoughts free of the necessity to conform to a structured spiritual guide, I began to question if these religions were at all the actual bearer’s of truth.  If they had been created by the minds of man, then was not it the mind of man that held the truth.  Now facing the idea that religion was in its self just a creation and that the true spirituality was in us all and that we must analyze ourselves and others to see the truth, I came into Critical Pan-Deism (rejection of all organized religion, but holding the idea of an all-penetrating spiritual side to the universe).  I still hold that there must be a higher cause, as the spiritual is not apparently mutable from our current abilities.  Also we live in a universe of perfect laws.  Not so much perfect for our existence, but perfect in their execution and consistency.  To me god is in the machine of the universe, a being so powerful, that the very universe we live in runs without error or need of tinkering.

Brian Humanistic Jones

7 Responses to “Questions 1-2”

  1. sidfaiwu says:

    Hello Brian,

    Wow, our paths to Deism are remarkably similar. As a teenager, I belonged to one of those Christian sects that didn’t consider Catholics and other Christians ‘real’ Christians. Ironically, my Discover of Diversity happened during, and as a result of, Fundamentalist Propaganda.

    I was in a youth group that showed a video that represented judgment after death of a group of kids who all died in a automobile accident. The setting was a hotel lobby and you had to wait in line to check in. Once someone got to the counter and gave their name, the ‘clerk’ would check if they had a ‘reservation’. If not, the person was directed to an frightening looking elevator (complete with screams of agony from below) that only ‘went down’.

    Only one of the kids from the auto accident was saved. We got to experience his guilt at not sharing ‘The Message’ with his friends as each of them, one-by-one, where sent to hell, regardless of how moral they were, who they know, or how much money they had.

    The point was really driven home at the end, after the one kid took the ‘up’ elevator. They showed the clerk’s computer screen. It had a huge list of names on it with some of them light and most others dimmed out. The next message was that only one-and-four people in the world are saved and it is our duty to spread ‘The Message’.

    This was, of course, supposed to motivate us to evangelize. My reaction was very different. I thought ‘only one-in-four people go to heaven?!? Why? What do those other three-fourths believe? Why would a loving God tolerate such a situation’, etc, etc. I then went and started learning about other belief systems.

    I just thought you might find my story of my Discovery of Diversity interesting. It is nice to know that there are others out there who have gone through the same, painful discovery of the faults of religion.

  2. Naery says:

    “Also we live in a universe of perfect laws. Not so much perfect for our existence, but perfect in their execution and consistency. To me god is in the machine of the universe, a being so powerful, that the very universe we live in runs without error or need of tinkering.”

    The words: ‘Any kind of sufficiently advanced technology is impossible to distinguish from magic.’ comes to mind upon reading this.

    The ‘laws’ of the universe are ‘perfect’ only in the sense that we can estimate the survival (continuity) of the universe to be LONG. Way long, but eventually, it all collapses. Maybe the next big-bang, whatever.

    Just this: the laws are only perfect to us because we live in them, can’t imagine other ways of ‘living’ and mostly can’t see the big picture. What if this was ‘reality’ number 9573498579324875938492, all the prior ones existing only a fraction of a moment because of ‘bad’ laws? Or then again, if the laws weren’t good, we just wouldn’t be there to talk about them.

    I see it that way: if tomorow the sun exploded and killed us all in a millon degree inferno, who would complain? Perhaps some external observer would say ‘Jolly! God musta hated them earthlings…’. But to me it would only mean we have no importance at all. (that also happens to be my present opinion for that matter…)

    Am I making sense? Didn’t sleep for the last 50ish hours.. Maybe I should not be posting… Oh well, who cares?

  3. Bellemy says:

    Dude, yeah I’m right there with you. Critical Pan-Deism sounds exactly right. Like all relgions have a toehold on the truth that there’s something OUT THERE. But would that be omnitheism, becuaese I think I’ve heard otehr meanings for Pan-Deism (or PanDeism).

  4. GuanCho says:

    Dude, yeah I’m right there with you. Critical Pan-Deism sounds exactly right. Like all relgions have a toehold on the truth that there’s something OUT THERE. But would that be omnitheism, becuaese I think I’ve heard otehr meanings for Pan-Deism (or PanDeism).

    No I think he’s already saying something different, that Critical Pan-Deism is the (rejection of all organized religion, but holding the idea of an all-penetrating spiritual side to the universe). All-god like Pan-Theism, but approached rationally, like Deism. I don’t see him saying anything about Pan-Deism needing to include some element of truth of all religions. I’m awed by the statement that “god is in the machine of the universe, a being so powerful, that the very universe we live in runs without error or need of tinkering.” So God made the universe and the universe runs perfectly because it not only made by God, but also is God!

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