Questions 10-11

Question: You, understandably, haven’t joined any discussion, so what would you call yourself? Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, Scientologist? –Alcari
Question: What is your religious history? –sidfaiwu

Answer: Once upon a time, gasmonso was raised in a happy Catholic home. I have been baptized and even received my first communion along with all the other standard Catholic stuff. I attended a Catholic school for eight years and went to church every Friday during that period.

But even at an early age, I felt uneasy about religion. I always felt that my teacher in religion class was full of shit. It seems like she was just reading from a book of propaganda and didn’t even fully understand it herself. It’s tough to explain. I found church to be just creepy. The idea of hundreds of people gathering together to pray to some "thing" struck me as really odd even as a kid when most just go with the pack. Then there was the idea that we were already sinners and needed forgiveness. Having to go to confession at such an early age struck me as silly. The worst thing I had done was shoot spitballs in class and goof off. I remember wondering, "why would God give a crap about this?" Yea I know about original sin, but I don’t buy it. As the years went on, I could see myself growing further and further apart from the people who bought in to this "charade."

Upon completion of Catholic school I never went back to church except for weddings, funerals, etc. I became more spiritual and realized that I was actually more so without religion. I started looking at life for what it was, an exceptionally complicated, yet beautiful phenomena that beckons to be analyzed, observed, and enjoyed. To this day I laugh at people who think they have it all figured out because I guarantee you don’t. Nobody does, and that’s the beautiful part of life. There’s so much discovery ahead of us and I feel that brings purpose to our lives. I’d rather be dead than believe our sole purpose on Earth is to please God and die. There is much more to life in my book.

So to answer your question, I guess that makes me some type of Agnostic. Oh and I subscribe to a belief in Karma as well :)


9 Responses to “Questions 10-11”

  1. Your Father says:

    karma? are you for serious?

    do you also believe in voodoo and lucky charms(for the love of science, no cereal jokes)?

  2. gasmonso says:

    LOL, I don’t believe in voodoo, but I do love lucky charms… the cereal that is :)

    I’ll write more on the karma stuff this weekend when I have some time :)


  3. Agnöstic says:

    Well there is a sort of karma effect which can be easily observed: what goes around does come around. It doesn’t have to be spiritual or supernatural… if you do a good turn for your friend, they’ll probably turn around and help you some time. And vice versa… piss some one off and you won’t be reaping many benefits from it ;)

  4. sidfaiwu says:

    I’ve also noticed a kind of personality induced ‘karma’. In my experience, mean, nasty, and rude people also tend to be unhappy and dwell on the things about themselves they don’t like. It’s as if the personality type that causes unhappiness in others causes unhappiness in the self.

  5. vk0 says:

    karma is the idea that, like people are bad to you if you are bad to them, so are everything else.

    I doubt anyone won’t believe that people get pissed at you if you piss them off. But that doesn’t mean trees do the same.

    -And about your religious chlidhood:
    I’m quite supprised that you actually didn’t like the priests from church school, sounds like they are pretty fanatic or just downright stupid.
    Where i’m from, denmark, the country still have a nation-wide religion (that lutherism christinaty i think), and atleast 90% of people are baptised and also do that confirmation of the baptise when they are about 14 years. Despite this, the vast majority don’t believe in god anymore than most agnostics do, and would probably still be considered atheists in the us, from what i’ve seen of the us religion from the media.
    I remember i had to go to some church school to that confirmation thing, and i really liked the priests and what they had to say. It usually went with the priest telling a simple story from the bible lasting about 5min, then spending 25min on discussing what we can learn from this, and how much if it is just silly insane crap. One of the only actual quotes i remember from that school was the priest concluding, after having told about how the big band and evolution is obivious what happened: “science tells us how stuff happened, religion tells us why”.

    Is it really true that the majority of priests in the US are fanatical and happily accept all the crap in the bible, and refuse to analyse, be reasonable and take historical facts into consideration about what is good and what isn’t?

  6. gasmonso says:

    vk0, the priests were very nice and they could spin a tale better than anyone I know… and that was the problem. They were such good salesmen that it was kind of disturbing. They have an innate ability to sell religion to the masses and I saw that at an early age and it repulsed me to be honest.

    It’s difficult for me to explain, especially when writing and not speaking. You ask about the priests in the US being fanatical and accepting all the crap in the bible. I can’t speak for all the priests, but the ones I have met seem rather “normal”. But they all believe that God created the everything in 6 days. Crazy? You decide ;)


  7. gasmonso says:

    To touch on the whole karma issue. I am coming from the direction in which Agnöstic and Sidfaiwu were talking about… “What goes around comes around.”

    I remember years ago when I was in the Marines. I had one helluva shitty attitude and it emanated. What I go in return was equally as negative from others.

    Since then I have changed dramatically and so has my life and interaction with people. Basically people reflect the attitude that you put forth.

    But does this also effect other living things like trees and such? Well you can look at it this way. If one keeps mistreating the environment, there is a negative effect. Take acid rain and global warming for example.

    You reap what you sow.

    That’s about the extent to which I subscribe to karma.


  8. Bones says:

    While I find the comments on karma on this thread to be wholly uncontroversial, I don’t like the borrowing of religious words wholesale. Words like god and karma aren’t very specific to begin with, start using them to refer to non-religious ideas and you just add to the confusion.

    But the other thing is that it sort of empowers the religious. If someone says, “There are things that I don’t think can be explained by science, and that is god” it sounds to me like a cop out to appease the moderate and liberal religious types. Most of the religious want to think that everyone believes the way they do, and they’re happier thinking that you have a concept of god (which they secretly know is their god). Not that it doesn’t work the other way, in that the science guy doesn’t want to believe the religious guy is insane, so he’s happier thinking that the moderate/liberal religious guy’s god isn’t really literal, more of an abstract spiritual thing.

    Kindof like how saying you’re an agnostic will be taken very different ways by different people. To me it can mean something that ranges from pretty much believes but isn’t 100% certain to doesn’t believe at all but isn’t an atheist because they don’t have a way to disprove god. But if someone says agnostic without any other qualifications, I tend to think the latter, because that’s closer to how I think. And I think people who think that way are actually atheists that have mislabelled themselves. And it that way I make myself think that agnostics are atheists until proven otherwise.

  9. Shaze says:

    Right there buddy.

    Things “shouldn’t” need to be sold; and anytime anyone pushes anything on anyone else (ideas, products etc), it’s a scam.

    Go hang around or work in a real Sales team for a year, they could talk the panties off a nun. (And they do, just for fun) You don’t have to imagine hard to understand how easy it is to exploit stupid people. (And if you do, you’re one of them)

    Beleive in yourselves, Sheeple.

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