Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
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January 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
For a moment there I thought they would start dancing but nothing happend.
Thanks for the show Onur. Here is something for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxF12cpLyhM
See it and learn please..
January 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
MUHAMMED is AFFECTIONS PROPHET…
And all of the muslim LAUGH AWAY you…
All are you DIRTINESS
January 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
To be here people very IMPERSONAL and UNDERSTANDING and INCONSIDERATE and ARSE LICKER and COCK UP THE NOSE and TRUMPERY
January 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
LOL… what is the point of that video? i watched it and, , apart from boredom, didn’t really gain much from it…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl3r7BSqWUQ
If you be curious Islam…
Then watch this video…
Please…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
“Come, come again, whoever you are, come!
Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are.”
Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi
January 14th, 2007 at 11:15 am
One more reason to keep Turkey out of the European Union. The list is growing.
We already got Poland in the club so we really don’t need more religious fanatics.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:52 am
I have heard your request Agony and acted accordingly. The spammers have been damned to a life of pain and suffering.
Actually, I have banned several IPs. Surprisingly they’re all from Turkey. I’m getting closer to banning that entire country if this continues. I get countless hack attempts from there too. Annoying people indeed.
gasmonso
January 14th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Spam is growing again at an alarming rate. I call to our allmighty deity gasmonso for help.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Sounds great Onur :) Thanks for the commercial.
I know some too:
sura 5:51 “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends..”
Sura 9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge Islam as the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
January 14th, 2007 at 5:59 am
sitenize iyi bakın şimdi
January 14th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Qur’an-
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah.
Cow-136
BAKARA SÛRESİ(136)
Deyin ki: “Biz Allah’a, bize indirilene (Kur’an’a), Ä°brahim, Ä°smail, Ä°shak, Yakub ve YakuboÄŸullarına indirilene, Mûsâ ve Ä°sa’ya verilen (Tevrat ve Ä°ncil) ile bütün diÄŸer peygamberlere Rab’lerinden verilene iman ettik. Onlardan hiçbirini diÄŸerinden ayırt etmeyiz ve biz ona teslim olmuÅŸ kimseleriz.â€
Kur’an-ı Kerim
January 14th, 2007 at 1:39 am
I must have misse the part of islam that says “ye shall spam my enemy’s site, for the true believer does not take easily an inult to his god.” hey what do you know? sounds like a religious text to me…
Anybody interested in writing a new holy book? perhaps “retro testament” or “quran reloaded”…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:03 am
I know arab.
“ALLAHUMME SALLI ALA SEYYIDINA MUHAMMED”
means “We stood last in line when religions were handed out”
January 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Qur’an-
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah.
Cow-136
BAKARA SÛRESİ(136)
Deyin ki: “Biz Allah’a, bize indirilene (Kur’an’a), Ä°brahim, Ä°smail, Ä°shak, Yakub ve YakuboÄŸullarına indirilene, Mûsâ ve Ä°sa’ya verilen (Tevrat ve Ä°ncil) ile bütün diÄŸer peygamberlere Rab’lerinden verilene iman ettik. Onlardan hiçbirini diÄŸerinden ayırt etmeyiz ve biz ona teslim olmuÅŸ kimseleriz.”
Kur’an-ı Kerim
January 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
“Ok about wikipedia, the stories in wikipedia could be written by Jewis or any other.”
It’s great you show signs of a critical mind. Keep it up.
However the story is not only on wikipedia. Try a google search - I did and got 11.900 hits - a busy jew :)
I myself got it from a book about Mohammeds life based on arab sources. Did you notice the painting on the wikipedia page? Its an illustration to a text by Muhammad Rafi Bazil. Doesn’t sound jewish to me.
“I red some of it, there is no way tha Muhammed comment that he ordered to kill women and childern.”
He didn’t - they ended up as slaves. The adult male population was killed after they surrendered to your prophet.
“We don’t kill civilians and if it happens now, that’s becaust they don’t the real Islam.”
Good to hear :)
January 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
actually mohammed, the guy who wrote (most of) that specific page got some islamic wikipedian awards. you can read more about him here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aminz
You’d think jews are/were/will always be biased against moslems from what you say.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Ok about wikipedia, the stories in wikipedia could be written by Jewis or any other.
I red some of it, there is no way tha Muhammed comment that he ordered to kill women and childern. We don’t kill civilians and if it happens now, that’s becaust they don’t the real Islam.
The most thing that was worryin Omar Bin Elkhatab, when he order the army to conquer country, that he was scared that on the leaders of the army does unjust, because God will ask him about that, so tell me why would he think this way?
January 13th, 2007 at 6:10 am
Mohammed Said:
Just notice, I never claimed that i’m so knowledgable in Islam and Quran, I always try to talk with logic more that Quran, you don’t believe in Quran, how do you want me to use the Quran to argue with you.
So you agree that your knowledge about Islam is roughly what you’ve heard from others, what your family taught you, and what you’d imagine a “perfect” religion would be?
Nobody is asking you to use the Quran to prove your point. But please, contradicting your religion while trying to defend it doesn’t give you much credibility.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Mohamed:
“There were militry conquer, but it was the peopl was doing unjust, and they humilate the poor people, and take people as slaves”
“we never attacked civilians, and you said it”
Mohamed read this wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qurayza
Male prisoners were massacred and the rest were enslaved by your prophet.
Slavery was widespread in the early muslim society. The prophet himself had many.
I hope I didn’t misunderstood you too Mohamed.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:07 am
Arktis
“Clear case of misunderstanding on your part. I think you just wanted to make your point about Muhammad so badly, you forgot to pay careful attention to what somebody else was saying.”
I just simply misunderstood what you meant.
“..All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an.”
Sorry about that.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:18 am
There were militry conquer, but it was the peopl was doing unjust, and they humilate the poor people, and take people as slaves, and it was only army against army, we never attacked civilians, and you said it, it would the worst massacres, and who would hold them off, there was no media, there was no orginazation to condemned or state, that was shamful doing, they could do what ever they want.
So to compare between Bush ans Muslims at this time, it’s not fair and you know it. Bush knows all the media see and watch and he still doing it.
The other thing, you said that Muslim got defeated between 1500 and 1600, how far this after our prophet and his sincere followers.
Every civilization has its ups and downs, Muslims weren’t to stay strong all the way, power never last for any civilization, no matter who you are.
I thought that you understood this point before, that nothing last for ever.
Just notice, I never claimed that i’m so knowledgable in Islam and Quran, I always try to talk with logic more that Quran, you don’t believe in Quran, how do you want me to use the Quran to argue with you.
The other thing it’s really bad, if I said something in Quran and I wasn’t correct, it’s huge responsiblity I would like to take, but I really don’t have time to search and respond.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Clear case of misunderstanding on your part. I think you just wanted to make your point about Muhammad so badly, you forgot to pay careful attention to what somebody else was saying.
It’s happened to me a few times before… happens to everyone Mohamed does it a lot. Nothing to be upset over once you realize the mistake.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
“You also said we only have the Quran as a historical source.”
No, I never said that.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
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January 12th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Here is the caravan story. I am surprised that anybody who claims to be a moslem doesn’t know it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr#The_caravan_raids_.28ghazaw.C4.81t.29
And about spereading by force… I guess when you say they “freed” christians from the romans you mean the same as when bush says we “freed” iraq? It sounds to me like both used the sword…
As for your argument that there are still christians, your religion isn’t as forgiving againt religions other than christianity and jewdism. They were allowed to live, but their land was conquered all the same. (not to mention the rule that says people he leave islam - people like me - must be killed!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam
January 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
“The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.â€
Thats the second time you use that argument and for the second time I will respond.
You assume that since Islam doesn’t rule the world, it must have spread without war - since Islam of course would have won if it had tried to conquer the world, right?
I suggest you start reading world history. As examples of muslim defeats I can mention the siege of Wienna 1683 and the attack on Malta 1565. Both ended in humiliating defeats for the muslims. Also the muslims were finally kicked out of Spain by force in 1492.
“I think we got to the point that we are not going to agree, you tempt to read what ever you think bad with Muhammed,”
Thats right. Most people like you only read and hear the good stuff about him. Some people has to balance it.
Look at it from a positive aspect. You know a lot more about the history of your culture and religion after you started debating on this forum.
“You can see that Christian still alive in ME, Muslims didn’t kill them”
No, if they had that would have been some of the worst massacres in history.
Is that really your proof that no military conquest ever happend?
January 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
“Look Ulrik… I don’t care at this point. All I said was that Mohamed doesn’t think the same way about it you do. From his point of view, everything Muhammad did was self defense. He’s never going to agree with you, no matter what.
Did you not read all of my post?”
I did. Did you read your own post a second time before you posted it?
You said nobody should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do since we can’t really be certain about any of it.
You also said we only have the Quran as a historical source.
I disaggreed on both and presented historical sources.
You say you don’t care. no matter - I just wanted to clear up some things for the readers of the forum in general.
Oh and also Mohamed claimed that no caravans was attacked. I needed to respond to that too.
January 11th, 2007 at 2:57 am
bu site inÅŸallah hack lenecek….
January 11th, 2007 at 2:55 am
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……………………….bunu yazan tosun…
okuyamıyan yabancıların kız bacılarına kosun…
January 11th, 2007 at 2:52 am
(europe+america)
topunuzun anansının amına koyayım…. bu resimleri yapanın
January 11th, 2007 at 2:21 am
“The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.”
That’s not true. Think about it. Every conquering nation has been stopped when it has tried to expand too far, too quickly. You can’t just swing your sword throughout the entire world “willy-nilly” and expect to conquer it that way. Eventually, you will be stopped when enough people unite against you in force of arms.
So basically, you’re using wishful thinking. Islam was indeed spread by force of arms. This much is written all over history. The religious empire created by it’s military expansion peaked, and then was eventually driven back.
If Islam would try to spread through warfare again today, it would be annihilated by a military alliance of world nations.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:40 am
I think we got to the point that we are not going to agree, you tempt to read what ever you think bad with Muhammed, I don’t where you got the Caravan story?. I never heard of it and I will try to make sure.
The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.
You can see that Christian still alive in ME, Muslims didn’t kill them, on the contrary Islam freed them from the Roman. Yes they paid taxes, Muslims paid Zakat, and you still paying taxes for your Gov, and I dare you not to.
January 10th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Look Ulrik… I don’t care at this point. All I said was that Mohamed doesn’t think the same way about it you do. From his point of view, everything Muhammad did was self defense. He’s never going to agree with you, no matter what.
Did you not read all of my post?
To add, sure… looks like he was wrong about the caravan thing. But he’s still not going to change his mind.
That’s all I was saying.
January 10th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Arktis wrote:
“I don’t really think anyone, not even Muslims, should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do. We can’t really be certain about any of it. All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an.”
Like any other historic person we need to rely on what is written down and what is physically found - but of course we can’t be certain.
Until a timemashine is invented, we will have to settle with that (the religious people better pray that such a mashine never will be invented)
The most important sources to Mohammeds life is the Quran and the historian Ibn Ishaq who delivered the oldest writings about Mohammeds life. Also we have the hadiths.
It is with these sources I make the assumption that Muhammed would have used bombs if they existed.
Examples from these sources:
1) Muhammed ordered 9 men to attack a Qurayshis caravan. On the last day of the holy month they attacked. Muhammed was given 1/5 of the booty. People were angry that Muhammed had shed blood in the holy month but the prophet then had a revelation telling that it was okay :)
2) When the Qurayza jews surrendered to Muhammed he ordered all men and boys with hair in their face to have their heads cut off. The massacre lasted all day and into the night.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:14 am
How ignorant can you be? Open a child’s book on islam Badar was fought because Mohammed was going to attack a caravan.
And if you’re so sure of yourself that you aren’t checking your dictionary… Why am i even reasoning with you?
What would make more sense? Well, tell me what sense these verses make: “ALM” “HIA’S” “YS”… you know what i mean.
What sense does it make when god says “things are this this this way” and later says “Now god saw that in truth it is this this this”? (refering to the verses saying how many infidels one moslem can kill)
You see? Your Quran doesn’t always make sense. But I am sure if it was found that the dead see had some bad properties suddenly it would all make sense to you guys.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:02 am
Yeah…
Ulrik and Mohamed:
I don’t really think anyone, not even Muslims, should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do. We can’t really be certain about any of it. All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an. Whether or not any of it is true is unknowable, but Muslims believe it and so that’s what makes it important since their faith is centered around it.
The Qur’an tells us he was a general and also that he spread Islam through the sword. Muslims believe this was to defend the word of Allah, especially since the Qur’an says he told people to fight in self-defense. Non-Muslims just see Muhammad simply as fulfilling the age-old role of a bloody conquerer.
It’s clear that you’re both on opposing sides of opinion about this.
That’s all I wanted to say. Unless you want to hear what I think…
January 10th, 2007 at 1:25 am
Muhammed never attacked Caravans, and he never fought other than self-defense, read and talk about it before you say something you don’t know.
I know the dictionary, I would agree with you if you want to teach me Englis, but not Arabic, I know my language.
My question to you, what would make sense in the sentence, the lowest land or that worst land?
I know you are smart enough to answer this question, but you don’t want to answer, because if you answer it, that would make valid point that Muhammed was getting this information from higer-being who is God.
I don’t think Muhammed would use bombs, because bombs doesn’t distinguish between child and fighter, which you know what did I mean about that.
January 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Now that the bombhead-Muhammed is mentioned.
Here is a question. If bombs were being made in 600 A.D. would Muhammed then have used them?
Considering his military expeditions, attacks on caravans and assassinations of people opposed to his rule, I would think that the cartoon with the bomb on the head would not have been far from the truth.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
If we can’t all agree about what Mohommad looks like, then how will Mel Gibson cast for his next big religious blockbuster?
You Muslim’s better all get on the same page on this one, or I’m sure there will be hell to pay.
I vote for the Bomb-head one.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:25 am
önce bi kac yorumu okudukdan sonra bende yorum yazmak istedim. bikac müslüman arkadasima cok hak veriyorum. müslümaniz diyosunuz, ama küfürle cevap veriyorsunuz.benim büyüklerimden ögrendigim $udur. Hz Peygamberimiz (sav) “size tas atana siz cicek atin” demis herhalde bunu derken onunda bi bildigi vardir. bence aynisi burdada gecerli insanlara küfür ederek hakli oldugunuzu gösteremessiniz. Onlara bizimde kültürlü, seviyeli, kaliteli tartisabilecegimizi göstermeliyiz! küfür ederek onlara sadece gaz vermis oluruz. onlar bize küfür eder, biz onlara… bu hep böyle devam eder.fakat seviyeli tartisirsak eger onlar düsündüklerini söyler biz düsündügümüzü söyleriz bir ortak nokta bulunur.cünkü sonucta müslümanlar, hristiyanlar ve tüm dinler anlasmak zorunda cünkü bu dünya ne bizim sadece nede onlarin, hepimiz bir ortak nokta bulup karsi tarafimiza saygi göstermeliyiz…BYEZZ
January 9th, 2007 at 2:22 am
like what I mentioned before, that we will defeat the Roman in the lowest place on the earth, and somebody argue with me the meaning of the word it’s should the worst not the lowest
Cared to check your dictionary yet? or are you too scared of the truth?
January 8th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Hey muslumanlar boyle kufurler etmek size yakisir, peygamberiniz edebli olmanizi soylemedimi. Peygamberiniz hakkinda hic bir sey bilmiyorsunuz. Muhamme’in ilk karisi Hatice hiristiyan degilmiydi. Muhammet muslumanliktan once Ay tanrilarina inanmiyormuydu. Buyuzden bayraklarda Ay tanrisnin simgesi olan Ay var. Ona buna iftiralar atmadan once ac gozunu ve sana yutturulan uydurma bilgilerin dogrulugunu arastir. Tanri butun inananlari sizin gililerin serrinden korusun.
January 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
“if people screwed up and turn it to something bad, we shouldn’t blame Islam, otherwise I should blam Athiesm every time Athiest does a crime.”
The difference here is that atheism doen’t prvide an excuse for doing something bad. Islam does provide and excuse. All you have to do to get an excuse to do something bad is interpret Islam in a certain way that allows it.
With atheism, you can’t do that. You have to take personal responsibility for your own choices because there is nothing to misinterpret to give you an excuse.
January 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Islam provided some scintefic facts, but it’s not scintefic encyclopedia, and it never meant to be, even if there is primitive ideas, that’s to deal with people minds at this era, and yet Quran said things we just have discoverd lately, like what I mentioned before, that we will defeat the Roman in the lowest place on the earth, and somebody argue with me the meaning of the word it’s should the worst not the lowest, and I know the word mean both, but it doesn’t make sense to say the worst land no the lowest land, and it turns out to be true, that it was the lowst part on the who earth.
As I said before, that reiligion came to make life better, not worse, if people screwed up and turn it to something bad, we shouldn’t blame Islam, otherwise I should blam Athiesm every time Athiest does a crime.
Devil promised human-being that he is going to tempt them to do wrong doing, and there is no exceptin whether you are Muslim or Jew or any other kind.
We did mistakes and we will do mistakes, other wise we are not human-being any more.
We should work to make life better, we are wasting our time arguing, and some other fighting, and some other killing.
January 8th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
islam is a cancer of the human race!!!!
January 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“..the other thing who didn’t say the heaven, he sais I raisde the sky, so the sky that you see by your eyes, that’s what he meant.”
If your holy book said straight out that the earth is round and orbiting the sun in a space where there is no air to breathe. That the stars are other suns far away and even described galaxies and other planets. If the Quran spoke of the icy worlds in the south and north or cultures far away, you would have little trouble proving Islam true and Mohammed would indeed seem to have divine knowledge.
..but it doesn’t - In fact the Quran only speaks of things primitive people could see for themself in their own world without astronomical instruments.
And if that wasn’t bad enough for your case, the good prophet even threw in things like evil spirits and mythical monsters in his fantasy world.
“Yes Islam is prohibiting all kinds of drinking, how could you know that who is going to drink wouldn’t hurt anybody, how you guarantee it?”
I can’t. Also I can’t guarantee that nobody will turn up and kill you with his car - or a kitchen knife.
You want a world where nobody drinks alcohol because some people can’t control it? Lets abolish religion then my friend. You and me working together!
You can’t guarantee me that nobody will lose control of their religious faith and do something weird like cut the head off a non-believer like the Quran calls for. It has been known to happen you know.
I hope you see my point and in the future will have more respect for other peoples choices in life.
January 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Yes Islam is prohibiting all kinds of drinking, how could you know that who is going to drink wouldn’t hurt anybody, how you gurantee it?
The other thing you didn’t prove any thing, God didn’t say the earth is flat about the whole earth, he meant the vallies where you can plant, where you can put homes, the other thing who didn’t say the heaven, he sais I raisde the sky, so the sky that you see by your eyes, that’s what he meant.
You have this life, how could you gurantee that you will have it the next moment, you don’t even when are you going to die, your scince will never tell you, Darwin will never tell you, so you go it right you have this life for one time, so don’t screw it up, because there another life, but not on the earth.
January 8th, 2007 at 10:20 am
ulan orospu cocuklarıı alayınızın anasını sıkeyım bu kafırlerıı lenc etmek lazım muslumanlara yobaz dıyen kahbelerde musluman ulkesınde yasamasınlar o fırcayıı senın ananın amına sokarımm fak you den mark
January 8th, 2007 at 10:18 am
şimdi anlatmak ıstedıgım sukı hz. ısa da munezzeh bır peygamberdır ama ben ona saygızılık yapmak ıstemıyorum ama su ankı katolıg ve hrıstıyan meshebını allahın lanetıyle lanetlıyorum inş peygamberımın lanetı meleklerın lanetı cınlerın lanetıı o halk uzerıne olsun amın yoksa ben bır çizerim onları nasıl ve nerde cızıldıklerını anlayamazlar mısal seyh şamıl usame bın laden yavuz sultan selım kanunı sultan suleyman gıbı dedelerıı boyle gonderıldıı sıra torunlarına gelmessın
January 8th, 2007 at 5:36 am
Mohamed wrote:
“..how many accidents happen daily because of drinking and inconnet people killed, because of stupid drunk person, how many women and childern get abused becasue of it?”
I said as long as other people don’t get hurt people should be allowed to do whatever they want. Your response talks about drunkdriving and violence against women and children which is illegal where I live.
Islam does not allow any kind of drinking - even the harmless (but it does allow violence against women).
“The other thing, you watched what you watch in Iran, USA did the same, they hang up Saddam on TV, which the same thing they were crying about when some terroirst did it for America, I don’t support it, but they used the same method they cried about before.”
So now you compare an execution of a massmurderer with killings of unarmed an innocents? You compare hanging with stonings?
Saddam Hussein had caused the death of hundred of thousands muslims. How many has a women who is stoned to death for having sex outside marriage, killed?
Mohamed please please think before you write. You are not defending your culture and religion - you are making it worse.
“There is no contridiction between scince and religion”
Funny I seem to recall several examples on this page where Islam is scientifically wrong. A flat earth with seven layers of heaven and a sun and a moon orbiting it. Man originally made from clay. Mythological monsters. You also talked about a moon being split for 1400 years ago.
“all of the scince wasn’t made mostly bey Athiest”
You are correct. Sorry if I gave that impression - but many of the most groundbreaking scientific discoveries has been opposed by religion.
Of course if a scientific discovery accidently can be fit into religious mythology, the religious people are just happy about it - like the Big Bang theory. Some muslims scholars like to see the Big Bang theory as a proof that sura 21:30 is correct:
“Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, ….” -
conviently forgetting that the earth wasn’t created in the big bang. Thats how some religious people use sciense.
The fact is that the Quran does not portrait any 20th century scientific discovery. Just look at this sura:
13:2 “Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you see …”
The earth is in fact a planet surrounded by space or “heaven” if you like. The idea of raising the heavens like a roof over the earth shows that Muhammed thought the earth was flat.
“if you rule the world, you will destroy it, by your ideas”
Atheists know we only have this world and only this life. We know that if we destroy the world, noone will come and save us. Why would we then want to destroy it?
January 8th, 2007 at 2:30 am
I’m sorry, but once again you have decided that instead of actually looking at what the problems with Islam are, you are focusing outwards and saying how horrible everyone else is, as if this solves the problem.
It doesn’t reconcile your irrational beliefs with the real world. It doesn’t make your pro-Islamic position more valid. It doesn’t help you deal with your problems. It doesn’t give you any credibility. It only makes you feel better about yourself. This is childish behavior.
As to the issues raised, I will only say a few things:
1.) This site is for discussions of a religious nature. It’s not for politics, not for conspiracy theories, not for hatred of other people, not for any of those petty things.
2.) If you think the policy of the United States is not a topic of concern for many of us, you are wrong. If you were to get to know many of the more educated Americans, you would find that the policy of their country is a topic of immense concern and frequent discussion. Unfortunately, there is a religious majority of 80% in the United States. As far as most of them are concerned, George Bush is a gift from God, the apocalypse is near, and even if our government is doing something wrong, it is God’s plan and so they should just let it happen. There’s nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. They have irrational faith, just like you Muslims do. So spare me the blame game. You tried it with the Jews and now you’re trying it with “the west”. You’ll do anything but take responsibility for your own irrational beliefs and behaviors. Instead you are looking at the behaviors of other people but not drawing the connection between theirs and yours.
…At least those of us who are agnostics and atheists have taken that step. We’ve done it with the tools of rational thinking and worked our way out of the pit. The pit that you people are still inside of. All we’re asking is that you climb out of it, and look around. If you still want to be irrational, then just go right back inside, but at least take the responsibility for your beliefs by admitting the truths about them. Don’t try to point the finger elsewhere to keep from confronting the truth: faith is irrational, and being irrational has terrible consequences.
January 8th, 2007 at 2:04 am
What’s wrong about drinking?
I thought you read a lot, how many accidents happen daily because of drinking and inconnet people killed, because of stupid drunk person, how many women and childern get abused becasue of it?
The other thing, you watched what you watch in Iran, USA did the same, they hang up Saddam on TV, which the same thing they were crying about when some terroirst did it for America, I don’t support it, but they used the same method they cried about before.
There is no contridiction between scince and religion, I know that Muslims didn’t contribute a lot lately, but that’s not because Islam, that’s because the occupation that exhauste the whole Area for the last century taking the countries resources and leave the countries without even education, other than that, all of the scince wasn’t made mostly bey Athiest.
You are just minority now, if you rule the world, you will destroy it, by your ideas and.
Please tell hi to the evolution :)))
January 7th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
To atheists and religious moderates, who spend most of your time criticising Muslims:
If you care so much about women, why don’t you do any thing about Muslim (as well as non-Muslim) women and children who work for slave wages to manufacture goods sold in Western countries? How come you haven’t done anything about Westerners who go on what’s euphemistically called sex tours, in poor countries, to exploit women and children, not only sexually but violently in snuff films?
Why is it despite living in democratic countries you have not stopped the government from engaging in regime changes (even demicraticaly elected ones) and supporting brutal dictators in order to exploit the natural resources? Why do you allow Western governments to sell weapons to fuel wars (sometimes weapons are sold to both sides of a conflict). Alot of you pay lip service to human rights violations in countries like Saudi Arabia. If you really cared about human rights you would be demanding that the U.S. government stop accepting trillions of investment dollars from that country. But you don’t do that becasue the money is more important to you.
January 7th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Mohamed,
Atheism helped me to be a better person. I used to spend hours studying my religious texts, learning about prophets and saints and such, and all the things the supposedly did. Now I spend this time studying science, art, and performing community service. I used to give 10% of my income to the Church. Now instead I can donate that money to local community charities and projects. Even if I spent it, it would at least go into the local economy, not get shipped off to Church Headquarters.
I also occasionally play poker and have a couple of beers with some friends. The money spent on the beer goes into the local economy. Some of my friends are women. They are completely equal in every way to me. None of my atheist friends think that spousal abuse is justifiable. My married atheist friends see marriage as a partnership and they discuss major decisions to form a consensus. My brother-in-law, on the other hand, is religious. He meets with a men’s group, where they pray to God, and then discuss how God wants them to be rulers of their household. They arbitrarily ban things like Harry Potter and Pokemon, and then confiscate toys from their children. They talk about how women should stay at home and raise children, and subjugate themselves to the will of the man. Then they put bumper stickers that say “I love my wife” on their cars.
So yes, Atheism makes people better.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Ben 18 Yaşındayım, Bir Gencim
Ve Karikatür Hakkında Yorum Yapan Müslüman Kardeşlerimi (Argo, Lahça) Küfür Edenleri, Sabretmeye Davet Ediyorum
Biliyorum Karikatürleri Görünce Çıldırdınız Ama Biz Böyle Kızdıkça
Onlar Daha Beterini Çizecek Ve Daha Çoğalıcak.
Ne Yaptıklarını Bilmemem Ama Bizi Birbirimize Düşürecekler Sanıyorlar
Yanılıyorlar,
Rabbimiz ALLAH’dır, Allah’ın Resulu Muhammed(s.a.v)dir, Tek Yol Ä°slamdır. Kitabımız Kuran-ı Kerimdir.
Mahşer-de Hepsinini Hesabı Sorulacak
Elimizdne BirÅŸey Gelmiyor Ama
Onlar Bu Karikatürü Çizerekde Sevgilime Zarar Veremezler.
Sevgilime Dokunmayın, AÅŸkımı Ä°ncitmeyin, yeter artık yayınlamayın, Allah’ın azabını hafife almayın
Beni Hasta Halimle PeriÅŸan Ettiniz
Allah’da Sizi Kahru PeriÅŸan Etsin
January 7th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Mohamed wrote
“..and people who has the most cruel heart to the most peaceful people and the most civilized people on the whole earth,..”
Oh man Mohamed you are so funny.
I just watched an iranian execution the other day on the net. They were buried to the shoulders in the ground and people threw rocks on them crying “Allah is great!”. Eventually they died with blood all over the place.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
“what the Athiesm changed? nothing.”
Ever heard of a little word named “science”? I suggest you start reading some books. Start with the history of classical greece and their philosophers.
“What the Athiesm opinion about drinking, what about gambling, Athiesm would make sick enviornment.”
“Islam prohibit a lot of things that you can’t give up on, because you are so weak, that’s what Islam about.”
Why do you have a problem with other peoples drinking and their gambling? What have they done to you?
Why do you want to prohibit other people doing what they like doing?
What have they done to you?
Why do you want to interfer in other peoples marriages with laws?
What have they ever done to you?
As long as people doesn’t hurt other people, shouldn’t they be allowed to do what they want?
You live in the USA - what if the american government suddenly decided that praying to Allah was making a sick environment? Shouldn’t you be allowed to do what you want as long as you don’t hurt other people?
“Islam is the truth, and that’s why you hate it.”
Oh grow up.
Besides you havent proved it yet :)
January 7th, 2007 at 9:54 am
Agony wrote:
“I know i’m nitpicking, but no one said it was part donkey part mule from what i know”
I have a book about Mohammeds life and I quoted from it very precisly. The book is written from muslim sources.
Anyway half donkey or not. Mohamed has admitted that he believes in mythological monsters. That makes him just as much a “man of reason” (his own words) like the people that stand by the shores of Lock Ness looking for Nessie :)
At least the Nessie-hunters has some photographic evidence to clinch to.
Mohamed wrote:
“we beleive that the moon split to two halfs in in this night, which is approved in Nasa that the moon look like it split one time”
I have read astronomy since I was a kid and I have never heard that one before. Could you please refer to SCIENTIFIC books or websites about that subject?
“Athiesm never helped any body to be better.”
How do you know that?
What about the love of truth?
The real truth - not the truth every christian, jew, hindu, buddist, muslim, etc.. think is the truth, but the real truth. Seeing the world as it is without demons, flying animals with human heads, gods, invisible creatures like angels and djihns?
What about honesty and fairness?
Look at yourself. You are a religious man and when I critized your prophet for having sex with a child you called me sick in my head.
I told you that the Quran is 123 times more violent than the christian scriptures and how did you respond? You simply stated that it was me who was obsessed with violence.
Look at you. You are not even capable of looking at your own belief with critical eyes.
Through history it has taken a large amount of courage for people to break free and stand by their view of the world. These people had a love for truth and freedom.
Tens of thousands were burned at the stake, murdered by the religious and people in muslim countries are still being murdered even today for speaking out against the religios view of the world.
Atheism doesn’t need blind belief in order to survive.
January 7th, 2007 at 3:05 am
Let me tell one more thing, we beleive that the moon split to two halfs in in this night, which is approved in Nasa that the moon look like it split one time and they don’t want to show the truth about that.
I beleive in that completely, if you told some body from 200 years, that there will be airplane will fly and take you from country to another country in 3 hours, he will say you are saying nonsense.
I really beleive that’s happend, and the night he did, he explain all the places he went through and people approved his descreptions for these places, and some people dobut it, but he gave them the proof, tha he saw people travelling in the desert and he descriped every thing about these people, and they showed up and he was saying the truth.
Prophet Muhammed took the most influential person in the history and from westerner opinion, not middle eastern, they gave him the most and Jesus came in the third place, he wouldn’t take it if he didn’t change the whole huminity by his message, the message of the truth.
All I know that there no comparision betweem, Islam and Athiesm. Athiesm never helped any body to be better.
Islam changed people who was killing their 1 year old daughter becaus the ashamed that they go girls and people who has the most cruel heart to the most peaceful people and the most civilized people on the whole earth, what the Athiesm changed? nothing.
What the Athiesm opinion about drinking, what about gambling, Athiesm would make sick enviornment.
You all don’t like reiligion, becaus it restrict you from doing something you don’t want to quit, something you can’t fight, either lust or sin you can’t quit.
Islam prohibit a lot of things that you can’t give up on, because you are so weak, that’s what Islam about.
In USA, you can be married and go have sex with somebody else and that’s not illegal, but if you married mor than one woman that’s illegal, what a sense?
Islam is the truth, and that’s why you hate it.
For who ever said this thing which I’m not going to repeat, thank you, I think that’s coming from what you beleive in.
January 6th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
mohammed, you can suck my dick!!!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
@Ulrik,
I know i’m nitpicking, but no one said it was part donkey part mule from what i know(and from what wikipedia says):
I was brought by the Buraq, which is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof at a distance equal to the range of vision.
I am interested though… Where did the face of a woman in islamic art come from?
@Mohammed,
Now you’ve had it, you brought the wrath of the atheists down on yourself :P
Seriously though, believing that there is no all knowing all powerful being out there until proven otherwise doesn’t sound stupid to me. Especially when the alternative is a religion like Islam(Wicca would be nice though… At least they don’t consider their religion “the only way(TM)”)
January 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.â€
You call atheism stupid? Well I have one question for you Mohamed.
Muhammed the prophet claimed that he one night flew on the back of a white animal that was half donkey, half mule, had a tail like a dromedar and a head of a women. It also had wings.
As usual we have to take Muhammeds words for it, since nobody else saw the animal take him up in the air.
Do you believe that Muhammed told the truth?
January 5th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Hepinizin bacisini sikeyim emi amina kodumun dizsiz gotverenleri yarın obur gun bu site hacklanirde gorursunuz o zaman
January 5th, 2007 at 1:39 am
“I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.”
Tisk tisk, Mohamed. Once again, you seem unaware of the fact that your position does not have a rational basis and therefore has nothing in common with an agnostic/atheist position.
So once again you make the erroneous claim that X is the same as Y, despite the many times your line of thinking has been demonstrated to be false. You aren’t displaying the capacity to absorb and apply knowledge, much less recognize simple logical truths.
You = irrational beliefs in unverifiable anecdotes
Agnostic/atheist = no irrational beliefs in unverifiable anecdotes
Not the same. Not even close. So taking a stance based on one position cannot be said to be the same as taking a stance based on the other. One is defending logic, and the other is defending irrational beliefs. They are pretty much opposite.
Please… learn.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:31 am
I don’t think I tried to convert somebody, I’m trying to build better understanding about Islam, and not let somebody use the Radical Muslims to show that ps what Islam about.
I don’t care if you convert or not, I’m not a God, I’m not going to judge you at the end.
I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:53 am
you are in wrong…..
January 4th, 2007 at 5:17 am
@Mohammed,
Right, I think no one here has a problem with your religion if you treat it as just that: A religion.
Stupidity and ignorance, we do have a problem with though, and since this stupidity is built upon religious believes, this is what we are going to attack(especially because in our opinion it’s just as stupid).
So, as long as you don’t come to my place, and try to convert me(like moslems here often do) I have no problem with you following your religion. Just don’t use it to bother people and you’ll be surprised how little anybody cares about it.
January 4th, 2007 at 1:12 am
It’s not about Islam, Islam has nothing to do with the fighting between the two parts, it’s because Muslims are so stupid, they don’t know if they are united, they will be better off.
What can I say about Muslims these days, they are my people, all I know that every nation has ups and downs, and it’s our turn to take the downs and learn, sometimes blood has to be shed unfortuantly like it happens in the civilian war in USA, and Europe struggle.
I hope so.
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:02 am
@Anonymous
The answer the moslems always give is “Islam condemns these things”. Curiously enough, no one seems to be trying to stop those people, instead they all jump at cartoons.
@Andrew
Yeah but… I am sure someone could slip in a serious nazi note to get Godwins Law to work. To the other users there would be no difference.
January 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 am
From wikipedia:
It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise [Godwin's law] with the motive of ending the thread.
January 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 am
if islam was “perfect” as its followers claim, then shias and sunnis wouldn’t be killing each other, would they??????
January 3rd, 2007 at 5:25 am
bu yaptığınız terbiyesizlik.allah belanızı versin.şerefizler.
January 2nd, 2007 at 4:17 am
@Mohammed,
Maybe that he answers question when you ask them? Something neither you nor your Muslim friends are able to do.
And perhaps it escaped your notice that Boris mainly talks about getting rid of the religion not the people.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 am
bütün müslümanlar barbardır burda bile herkese küfür yağdırıyorsunuz. bu dünyadaki tek inanç müslümanlıkk değil .diğer dinlerde allah tarafından önderilmiştir
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:38 am
muhammedin karikatürü yayınlansa nolur yayınlanmasa nolurr.. artık bıktım şu barbar müslümanlardan br türk olarak
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 am
Agony,
I’m really fine, I have no Problem with Boris, I’m just make him notice that he takes the same Path like the people he critizise( radical Muslims), he always talking about getting rid of Muslims, so what the difference between him and the radical Muslims?
January 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
@boris, mohammed:
Calm down guys. No need to call names. This isn’t slashdot.
Can’t someone invoke godwin’s law and be done with the whole thread? (from the quality of posts it might have already been invoked)
January 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pm
mohamed, you’re a fucking radical too. it’s only because “true” muslim radicals are so off the scale that you can call yourself moderate.
January 1st, 2007 at 12:23 am
Boris,
I just said that because you have the same attitude like the radical Muslim, you just talking about killing and trying to get rid of Muslims, grow up.
December 31st, 2006 at 8:57 pm
“I think Muslims child would scare you to death”
oh, how right you are. i am terrified of all religion-indoctrinated children, esp. muslims, because i know what they will do when they grow up.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Amınıza koym.. layn.. fuck you.. all. together.. firsth. usa kökliym.. gagırtym… acıtıym…
December 31st, 2006 at 8:28 am
Oh dear oh me, Mohammed you do seem to get such joy over petty issues (Boris, a cheerleader or not?). Keep avoiding showing proof to your claims (or even sources for those claims).
It really keeps eroding my faith in your ability to show me more than ability of parroting tenets of Muslims which you learned as a child.
You keep returning to historic issues which cannot be reversed but should be learned to cope with. So greedy men divided the middle-east, we know that. Forming of Israel was illegal and it caused untold pain and suffering, we know that.
But what keeps me in the dark is, why are Muslims unwilling to make the best of the situation instead of whining and killing? All that energy, all those lives which are spent in attacking others could be directed in helping others, which is better? Continued misery or improving the situation?
Another small prayer for all. I am not religious, but I love poetry.
Kia hora te marino, kia whakapapa pounamu te moana, kia tere ai te karohirohi i mua tonu i o koutou huarahi
May the calm be widespread, may the sea be as the smooth surface of the greenstone, and may the rays of sunshine forever dance along your pathway.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:45 am
Hey guys, I told you before Boris is a cheer leader:). He did it again. He applaud for DJ london.
Boris, stop dreaming, you will never get rid of Muslims or Islam, I think Muslims child would scare you to death, so stop saying things you are not up to:).
December 31st, 2006 at 6:41 am
Answer to # 2112.
I’m astounded to the narrow mindness that you can get. I never mentioned that I supported the goings on of our government. At present or in the past. You,my e-mail contemporary, support radically your islam beliefs because it was part of your upbringing. I miss, in your blogging, any form of controversy AGAINST your faith, there are certainly many reasons to do this. So I find your mails rather one sided. I was brought up in a society where contradiction from all sides is acccepted and expected with no fear of repercussion. It’s only our basic tolerance that has given the room for your faith to expand, and this frightens me into the depths of my sanity. I, personally, deplore all forms of voilence, against either human beings or any living thing. I believe in the findings of Charles Darwin and his evolution theory not, however, over a figment of someones imagination. Despite everything, I have the sense in respecting YOUR beliefs. Nevertheless, I would appreciate some sort of respect from your side, of the way I, and millions other people, think and talk of these matters.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:06 am
@D.J. London
you make so many good points. i applaud you on a worldly realization. i can only hope that towards the end of my life i can keep my integrity like you do right now. cheers mate. i come from a country that suffered under islam for more than 500 years. even to this day we have to deal with remnants of old turkish heritage. hopefuly not much longer. sometime soon we will be free of that filthy remnant in our society.
December 31st, 2006 at 4:34 am
hehe, first of all sun runs in no orbit. second, for many centuries men much older than 10 couldn’t figure out the relationship between the sun and the earth. maybe it’s not such an obvious thing. maybe we needed much research to come to that conclusion. same kind of research that pretty much blew all of the abrahamic religions clear out of the water.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
allah belanı versin. şerefsizler.
December 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
And i thought Mohammed was going to engage in an old fashioned Listen-And-Reply argument… Guess I’ve had my expectations too high.
I’m disappointed nontheless, because this seems to be what ALL religious people do, and they have the nerves to call themselves rational.
A weird world indeed.
December 30th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“but you are the same, radical Athiest want Islam to die, like radical Muslims want non Muslims to die including some Muslims too.”
Radical atheists want Islam to die out because they believe muslims and non-muslims will have a better life without religion.
Does radical muslims want people to die because they believe people will have a better life without their life?
There is a HUGE difference between destroying an ideology and destroying people.
Please think twice about what you write before you post it.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
So the English man talking here, and he doesn’t know that all of the suffering in the Middle East, and how they are not civilized results from the British and the French occuption and greed in last decade. If the Brits and the french didn’t divide the ME the wat it’s now, we wouldn’t have all of this issues add to that we wouldn’t have Israel, which it means there wouldn’t be any war.
Occuption for Middle East wasn’t religion driven, it was greed driven.
I’m sure you are old enough to remember the war cause by the British+israel+france on Egypt 1956, does it have any thing to do with religion, or does it have something to do with controlling Suez Canal.
I thought you are old enough to have some experince to let you see throught things, some young Athiest here can’t see, but you are the same, radical Athiest want Islam to die, like radical Muslims want non Muslims to die including some Muslims too.
Please if you have peaceful comment and help other people to reach to an agreement, may be we can make it better world, but with your attitude it’s going to be more wars.
Thank you
December 30th, 2006 at 10:53 am
I’ve been following this ’storm in a teacup’ since the whole thing blew way out of proportion at the beginning of the year. After divulging the majority of the e-mails and reading the infantile rantings of the pro Mohammed chapter, all I can only hope that this non-human virus which calls itself Islam will die a slow, suffocating death. Unfortunately, it seems to be on the increase because of the tolerance that our western society allows it to manifest. I’ve just seen a video of death by stoning in Iran. How civilised!! and these people claim, because of their religious fanatisism, that they were the cradle of modern civilisation. Might be, the only thing is that they haven’t developed one inch further, and that after over 1500 years. Religion, in what form whatever, may give some spiritual refuge for some people, but fact is that human carnage has its roots in some sort of sublime faith. How naive can one get. Who wants religion, who wants war, who wants the sort of pious crap that we get targeted at day after day. I’m now approaching 70 and the way things are going I wouldn’t dare to envisage what the world, under our so called religious leaders, will look like in 30 years. I’m glad I won’t be around at that time. Greetings to all the sane atheists in this weird world.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:29 am
This thread should remain as it is, to let it die under its own weight and then be covered with the static of internet so one day the data miners can rediscover it and see what happens to threads like this after they decompose
December 30th, 2006 at 1:38 am
Thank you Artkis for your comments, I totally agree with you.
I just hope we do something on this thread, it’s getting huge, and it’s really annoying to wait for it to open, I have high speed, yet it doesn’t help, it still freeze IE on one of my computers.
Gasonmo, please do something about it.
December 29th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
“Ragheads”? “Stupid”?
That’s abusive. Thankfully some of them probably don’t understand english. They might be semi-brainwashed, but so are you judging by the utter shit you just spewed into the comments.
Just because you’ve been trapped into believing something that would seem absurd to an outsider does not mean you are stupid. Perhaps you might deserve pity, but nobody deserves to be abused. Please don’t go around saying absolute shit like that. It doesn’t help.
December 29th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
these ragheads are sooooo fucking stupid!!!!, they can’t PROVE anything,
they have spouted thousands of words of bullshit on this thread.
all they can do is quote from an old book!!
THAT’S NOT PROOF
December 29th, 2006 at 9:14 am
Mohamed wrote:
“I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.”
There you go fooling yourself again :) Every survey I have come across indicates that the level of atheism and scepticism is higher among highly educated people than people without a higher education.
If I said to people without any evidence, that my god “Abracadabra” had told me everybody should obey me and do what I say and that I could have any woman i want, would a man of reason believe me?
“the prestigious magazine, Sciemtific American, published figures showing that while 90% of the general American public believes in a personal God and an afterlife, only 40% of scientists who are BS-degree-only holders so believe and only 10% of scientists regarded as eminent believe in a personal God or an afterlife.”
“In a 1998 survey of more than 500 members of the National Academy of Scientists, it was found that 72% were atheists, 21% were agnostics and 7% believed in God.”
“6 percent of professors view the Bible as the “word of God,†52 percent see it as “an ancient book of fables, legends, history and moral precepts,†and 42 percent see it as “the inspired word of God.”"
“Some studies have suggested that atheism is particularly prevalent among scientists, a tendency already quite marked at the beginning of the 20th century, developing into a dominant one during the course of the century. In 1914, James H. Leuba found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected U.S. natural scientists expressed “disbelief or doubt in the existence of God”. The same study, repeated in 1996, gave a similar percentage of 60.7%; this number is 93% among the members of the National Academy of Sciences.”
December 29th, 2006 at 5:59 am
Mohammed, you forgot the heart-brain issue. i hope you comment on that one in your next post.
I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.
Or else they may see the Flying Spaghetti Monster through the very same things.
About imaginary friends, I think who beleivs in evolution as theory for man-kind to exist needs to get rid of his imaginary friends.
From wikipedia:
An imaginary friend is an invented person, animal or character that is created especially by children, but sometimes by adults. The inventor will act as if the imaginary being is physically present by talking to it, playing with it, or even attempting to feed it. If told that the friend is non-existent, the inventor will often retaliate in a defensive manner by stating that the imaginary friend is invisible.
I don’t see how Evolution can count as an imaginary friend. Perhaps you should read a bit about it from a nutral source before bashing it?
Adny is not the worst, and tell me why Quran would the worst land, does it make sense to you
Okay i’m writing from memory here so it might not be 100% accurate. You can read Lisan Al-A’arab if you wanna check it out:
Dana=Yadno=To get close.
It may also be used to talk about vitures. “akhlakoho daneei’a”
So, where again did God say it’s the lowest point? Read your arabic.
Any child with ten years old would know that the sun runs in orbit, that doesn’t make sense, you condrdict your self, you know better than this.
Yeah, if that were what i said i would truely be a maniac, but it might has escaped you that the word “falak” doesn’t mean orbit exactly. It is more like a “road” or a “way”, so tell me about a 10 years old child that doesn’t know that the sun has a constant way through the sky.
My friend Ottman was the one who writting the Quran down, when Muhaamed was telling to him, because Muhammed didn’t know how to read and write, so Ottman would be the best one who know if there is something changing or not, add to that there were thousnads of Muslims memorize the whole Quran at this time, don’t you think they would notice.
Do you actually know anything about islamic history?!
Mohammed was already dead when Othman did this.
And again, you are taking Othman’s words for it that the Quran was not changed, without the slightest evidence…
Oh and what would those hundreds who knew the quran say when at some tribe they memorized a wrong word? perhaps a wrong vowel? even a wrong fullstop?
Islam is the right reiligion, I don’t agree with somebody who spam the site like that, I hope from our Muslims brothers, if you don’t have something to say. be respectful for other people, let them they what ever they want, we know where the truth lies.
And for that I thank you.
December 29th, 2006 at 4:10 am
Oh well, just cannot resist any longer, am such a lout but hear goes.
Aum
Bhuh Bhuvah Svah
Tat Savitur Varenyam
Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi
Dhiyo Yo nah Prachodayat
O thou existence Absolute, Creator of the three dimensions, we contemplate upon thy divine light. May He stimulate our intellect and bestow upon us true knowledge.
so there you have it!
December 29th, 2006 at 3:41 am
While I don’t agree with you that all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God (the more I reason and think the more of an Atheist become), I thank you for standing up for the idea that all muslims are not a batch of knee-jerk reactionary people that can do nothing but spam a board with what I can only guess (not speaking arabic) is brainless religious and hate propaganda.
Stand up for your right to disagree with people in intelligable phrases!
December 29th, 2006 at 1:01 am
I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.
About imaginary friends, I think who beleivs in evolution as theory for man-kind to exist needs to get rid of his imaginary friends.
Adny is not the worst, and tell me why Quran would the worst land, does it make sense to you.
Any child with ten years old would know that the sun runs in orbit, that doesn’t make sense, you condrdict your self, you know better than this.
My friend Ottman was the one who writting the Quran down, when Muhaamed was telling to him, because Muhammed didn’t know how to read and write, so Ottman would be the best one who know if there is something changing or not, add to that there were thousnads of Muslims memorize the whole Quran at this time, don’t you think they would notice.
Islam is the right reiligion, I don’t agree with somebody who spam the site like that, I hope from our Muslims brothers, if you don’t have something to say. be respectful for other people, let them they what ever they want, we know where the truth lies.
Thank you.
December 28th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Just as I expected Ismail, you couldn’t give an answer and decided to demonstrate your shortcoming with meaningless spamming.
I hope for you your god didn’t notice how you humiliated his religion today.
December 28th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Thanks for the scary quote.
Here are some more:
“All thinking men are atheists”
- Ernest Hemingway
“I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind - that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking”
- Unknown
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy”
- Unknown
“Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth”
- Richard Dawkins (I think..)
“Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.”
- Unknown
“When you understand why you do not believe in other gods,
then you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.”
- Unknown
December 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
I love it, its not just the Xians that use that excuse, its all Abrahamic religions.
Lo, for this ancient book doth now declare itself the truth! You shall take my word as infalible only on the grounds of my saying that I am infalible! The non-believer will come to you and say with logic, which is a trick of satan, and demand a better reason for belief. Pay heed not their questions, for they, having working frontal lobes, will never enter the kingdom of the Prophet, peace be upon him!
—
“Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and … know nothing but the word of God.”
MARTIN LUTHER
December 28th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Ismail Gazel quoted:
“We have set veils over their hearts so that they understand this not, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.”
So what you say is that your god have made us into unbelievers on purpose?
Now why would he do that? because he need more souls to torture in that hell he seems so proud of?
What do you think about it Ismael Gazel? - or do you let other people, both dead and living, do the thinking for you?
I’m really looking forward to your answer. It will be interesting to see if you can think for yourself.
———
“We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.”
H.L. MENCKEN (1880-1956)
December 28th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
AHZAB SURESÄ° 40)Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
AHZAB SURESÄ° 21)Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exempler for him who hopes in Allah and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah.
KEFH SURESÄ° 56)We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
KEFH SURESÄ° 57)And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts so that they understand this not, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.
December 28th, 2006 at 11:29 am
LOL, I thought this page would die out months ago, but it appears to have found new life. I can add paged comments, but I really like the page the way it is. It has a certain presence ;) As for dialup users… do they exist? I haven’t used dialup since the Commodore 64/ Amiga 500 days ;)
300 baud or bust!!
gasmonso
December 28th, 2006 at 11:14 am
errrr Gasmonso, this page is really getting too big. It is already 2,312,675 bytes, and it doesn’t look like it will stop growing anytime soon.
How about implementing a paging feature? Like only 500 posts on a site? please?
Firefox crashed on my when i tried to search through this mess…
I pitty those guys who are using a dialup connection. It must take ages for them.
December 28th, 2006 at 10:46 am
You have done Allah a great service today. Your place in the afterlife is assured.
December 28th, 2006 at 9:36 am
I don’t know why he and others like him think Allah has chosen them for the Holy task of spamming the comments.
Allah: “Hey, Akbar. *snicker* Psst. Wake up! It’s me, Allah. *more snickering* Listen, I want you to go to a computer…”
December 28th, 2006 at 8:20 am
@Ulrik
it will (hopefully) lead to natural selection and evolution of (insert religious guy’s name here) grey cells.
Seriously, if your child became a teenager and still had an imaginary friend, wouldn’t you get that friend out of his head? IMNSHO God/Allah/Jehova/FSM is no different.
And I seriously hope it happens sooner rather than later so i won’t have to scroll through posts like that of Emrefba(all he’s really saying is “god is great” and “there is no god but god(allah) and mohammed is his messenger”!).
December 28th, 2006 at 3:18 am
@ulrik
ulrik, you couldn’t be more right. mohamed brings up grammar. it is obvious that people like mohamed are not very skilled in the verbal department. no wonder that eloquancy is considered special.
December 27th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
So Islam is a fake - what then?
The problem for a guy like Mohamed is that he really doesn’t have anything to put instead.
He can’t prove Islam true and if he uses his common sense, he will have to accept that there is not much to hope for.
What then? atheism? christianity? judaism? buddism? dontgiveadamnism? Without belief in an afterlife he will have to face death as the ultimative end. Must be scary if you are not used to the thought.
A guy like Mohamed is trapped in a mythological world where stars are lamps, the earth is flat, jihns, demons and angels running around and a guy who died 1400 years ago had put up rules for him for almost anything.
No wonder he fights for his religion.
December 27th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Mohamed:
Can you prove the Qu’ran? No, so stop thinking you can. Just admit you believe it because you want to.
Go check out snopes.com. It might do you some good to see how silly believing in stories is, and how the fake ones can cause a lot of people to believe in them for a long, long time. With critical thinking, investigation, and common sense, myths vanish.
You of course will say “the Qu’ran is different”. No it’s not. It’s a bunch of unconfirmed stories, and believing in unconfirmed stories like the bible and the Qu’ran is foolish.
December 27th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“the Quran is not written by a man, and if you know Arabic so well and know the gramer so well, you will never say it’s written by a man.â€
“…even the athiest in our prophet era, which they were the best people in poetry, they confessed that this Quran not from a man, for the perfection it has.â€
Mohamed have you ever heard of “The Divine Comedy� It was written sometime between 1308 and 1321. It is an epic work of poem by the italian poet Dante Alighieri. Considered one of the greatest work of litterature in the world. Dante wrote about his journey to hell, purgatory and paradise.
It’s such a great book and written so well, that he must have made that journey for real. Even people who lived in those days confessed that Dante must have been to hell and heaven and back again. No man could have described the afterlife so perfect without being there himself.
In Inferno:28 he recalls how he meet your prophet Mohammed in hell, where Mohammed is being sliced open by a demon with a sword for all eternity. His punishment for dividing people.
You see Mohamed, by using the exact same argumentation as you, I have just proved that your religion is false, that the bible is the truth and that your prophet is in hell.
I am not trying to make you angry. I am simply showing you how weak your argumentation really is.
I understand that you have had a bad time and that finding your religion somehow gave you strengh and saved you. I am glad you are doing better - just don’t expect other people to want or indeed need that kind of support to do well in this world.
December 27th, 2006 at 4:52 am
let’s see, your full ayah says “And the earth we layed out and we put in it (achors?) and plants (of every pair)”
So let’s see how i understand this ayah:
1. God made a flat earth
2. Then, to make sure the earth doesn’t move like a carpet he put mountains and stuff on it(anchors)
3. God put plants and perhaps animals on it.
The people would buy it of course, because it’s logical. first make earth the way we see it, then put mountains on it. All makes sense! even i would have bought it in mohammeds time!
If you want to argule that achors != mountains, i got it directly from an islamic website for quran explenation.
Quran burning
you said “and change don’t happen in the future.” Now tell me how your buddy Othman knew which Quran was right and which was wrong. You probably know as well as i do that in arabic, many sentences change their meanings completly by just changing the vowel(H’arake) at the end of a given verb.
Feelings: Brain/Heart?
So people with artificial hearts have no feelings?:D Or do artificial hearts provide a human with feelings as well?
if so then how? an artificial heart is only a pump for the blood. Does the water pump in my backyard have feelings too?
Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Not to mention that you’re only quoting something hundreds of muslims said before(let’s see: if Arktis is right, you’ll go quote some more or make up irrational excuses, if not you’ll probably see how stupid what you said is.)
Oh by the way, it did make sense in mohammed’s time, because back then it was thought that people THINK with their hearts and feel with their brains. Why else do you think the two angels took that black thing out of mohammed’s heart?
Who at this time knew even that the sun runs in orbit, it’s good that you mentioned that, especially these words came from a man doesn’t know how to read and write, so you prove that the Quran was right.
Mohammed, you can tell that to a 10 years old child maybe, but EVERYONE who looked at the sky used to see that the sun rises from (pretty much) the same place, and completes the same movement in the sky, then sets again in the same place.
So let’s see if i remember your ayahs about the orbits “and the sun we created in it’s place…” “neither the sun shall get closer to the moon nor the moon closer to the sun, and each in it’s own path walks” Notice i have not translated “falak” into orbit because even though the words are somtimes used to describe the same thing, in Mohammed’s time they meant entirely different things.
Quran’s Predictions:
Well buddy, i bet you didn’t check your dictionary. Aadna CAN mean lowest, but from what I remember reading(and checking) the way it is mentioned in the quran just happens to mean something like “bad”.
Check your arabic dictionary. There was some difference with a Hamzeh as far as i remember. I’m at my dorm here, No dictionary at hand or i would have quoted it.
Oh and you should reply to what Arktis said. It isn’t very nice to ignore people you know?
Arktis,
Sorry for hijacking Mohammed over here but the forum where i have my daily laugh about religious guys has been closed for maintainance and I’ve got bored :(
December 27th, 2006 at 2:32 am
What about that in the Quran God promised Muslims that they will beat the Roman in the lowest point in the earth, and that was in Jordan, and you can Google it and you will find where is it, and that’s where are the Muslims beat the Roman.
Yes Osamn Bin Affan burn the Quran, because there were a lot of nationalties speaks different accents, because the there was not rules how to read with putting signs on the words, to gurantee to read right, so he collected and he put these signs, so every nation with different accent read it the same, and change don’t happen in the future.
Quran often implies that thinking happens in the heart not head. an example from the top of my head is “darabna a’ala qoloobehemâ€. There are many more if you care to check
You know what? your feeling comes from your heart, when you are scared, your heart beats faster, even when people express any feeling the mentioned the heart not the brain, even when somebody works hard, they say he puts his heart into it.
Quran talks that the sun and the moon move in constant orbits(actually that’s not quite true, but it is close) but fails to mention earth’s orbit…
Who at this time knew even that the sun runs in orbit, it’s good that you mentioned that, especially these words came from a man doesn’t know how to read and write, so you prove that the Quran was right.
Quran says “And the earth we layed outâ€, in arabic “Wal a’ardo basat’naha†which implies that the earth is simply flat(accuracy?)
You didn’t compelte the Ayah, the rest of the Ayah is to enable people to put the planets and get the food out of it, so God wasn’t talk about the whole earth, he was talking about certain kinds of lands(vallies), all the people at this time knew there are mountains and hills, they wouldn’t buy it, if the read it the same way you red it.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:01 am
“It’s not your brain, it’s your heart. God stamp some people’s heart, like Abu Gahel if you know him, and I’m afraid you are going to be in his company. Abu Gahel mentioned in the Quran that he will never be Muslim, and God promised him that, if he was smart, he would say I’m Muslim, so he would dis-credit the Quran, but he never did, because that was God promis.”
The strange part is that you think what you said actually means something. It’s just a story. It’s an anecdote. A parable. It’s not even an argument. It’s retarded of you to spout religious dogma and think that this is a legitimate response.
You’ve only proved that you don’t want to think for yourself, since all you can do is talk about stories from your so-called holy book. No doubt you will tell me another equally meaningless story now. Maybe I’ll tell you a story about the boy who cried “wolf”.
December 26th, 2006 at 4:57 am
Yeah Mohammed, it was memorized, until some guy came around, burned all the old Qurans(because there were differnces in them) and made THE Quran we know today.
And about arabic grammer, I find it no harder than old english which existed around the same time.
Now the Quran is accurate you say? let’s see…
Quran talks that the sun and the moon move in constant orbits(actually that’s not quite true, but it is close) but fails to mention earth’s orbit…
Quran says “And the earth we layed out”, in arabic “Wal a’ardo basat’naha” which implies that the earth is simply flat(accuracy?)
Quran often implies that thinking happens in the heart not head. an example from the top of my head is “darabna a’ala qoloobehem”. There are many more if you care to check.
I’m also interested in knowing how big Noah’s Arc was… you know there are 40,000 species of spiders, supposing he took exactly 80,000 spiders(a pair of each) how was there place left for any other species? (christians are welcome to answer this one too)
I could go on with examples like this forever, but as they say in arabic “al labeebo men al i’sharati yafhamo”
Merry Yule Everybody, may the spirit of the flying spaghetti monster enrich your life
PS: Hearts are only muscles that pump blood. No thinking/believing goes on in there. Ask people with artificial hearts, they know.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:41 am
Artkis,
It’s not your brain, it’s your heart. God stamp some people’s heart, like Abu Gahel if you know him, and I’m afraid you are going to be in his company. Abu Gahel mentioned in the Quran that he will never be Muslim, and God promised him that, if he was smart, he would say I’m Muslim, so he would dis-credit the Quran, but he never did, because that was God promis.
Matt,
You have to understand Arabic first to be able, how easy any one would do mistake in Arabic grammer, because Arabic is one of the most diffcult langauges on the earth. A lot of people try to find mistakes, like what God mintioned of instead of from in this phrase, and they though they were right, and yet they got the answer and the reason.
Quran is accurate, and it will never chang, it was there for thousands yeat, and it was memorized, so if it’s tweaked at certain time, people would know and say it, you are talking like Muslims is small group, and if the Quran tweaked, they would hide.
So far, they still some people try to find mistakes in the Quran, I did’t see any body try to tweak or change an alphapet in the Quran, they just answers the claim.
Thank you
December 25th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
I love the fact that you totally ignored the fact that i showed your “atheists think its from god” argument is bullshit. The fact is you have no evidence that it hasnt been tweaked over the centuries. a grammatical error here, a misspelling there, you wouldn’t even notice it, but after such a long time, it seems much better than it was at first.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:02 am
Wow, your logic is flawless. I guess I’ll just have to convert to Islam now.
Seriously though, when are you going to learn, Mohamed? Your brain is closed off to reason. It’s like you don’t even understand what it is.
December 25th, 2006 at 3:54 am
Matt,
this book is the same, never changed ot tweaked, and even if there is mistake happens in print, it’s big issue for Muslims.
God promised that he will keep this book, and that’s why, it will never change, and at the time people will try to change it, God will lift this book to the sky, and who ever memorize any part of it will die.
Unfortuantally, this earth will end and the people are athiest.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
“even the athiest in our prophet era, which they were the best people in poetry, they confessed that this Quran not from a man, for the perfection it has.”
BULLSHIT, they’re not an atheist if the think a higher power even exists. So your saying that because it is written in arabic it is “perfection”? could it be that the book has had thousands of years to be changed, tweaked, and improved?
December 24th, 2006 at 6:10 am
Try to write it in Arabic if you can, like the others tried and failed, even the athiest in our prophet era, which they were the best people in poetry, they confessed that this Quran not from a man, for the perfection it has.
Ulirk, to let you know somethig, I wasn’t that strong beleiver till 23 years old, I wasn’t even praying. I was about to die and I was sitting in my office doing nothing, and at this time, I knew if I died and I don’t obey God, I will be loser, the other thing that makes me really beleive, when I came here to USA, I had no body here in USA, and I suffered a lot, and every time I asked God to get me out of my suffering and somehow it happened.
I hope you are not crying while you reading this:), I’m just saying the truth, I saw things made me beleive there is God, by the way I didn’t see him:).
I think I learned a lot, there are a lot of Muslims come to USA and they lose their religion, I think I came here and I got close to God more than I was in Egypt.
To make it short for you, you have the right to beleive in what you want, you can worship an ant or a cow, or don’t beleive in any thing at all, it’s up to you.
December 24th, 2006 at 6:01 am
FUCK YOUUUUU AMERÄ°CAA! FUCK
December 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pm
Mohamed: â€Quran is not written by a man, and if you know Arabic so well and know the gramer so well, you will never say it’s written by a man.â€
I do not know arabic but some of the translations doesn’t seem very divine to me.
Sura 9:29 “You shall fight back against those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what God and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.â€
The most amazing thing about Mohammed was that he actually got away with it.
Perhaps you can explain to me exactly why sura 9:29 couldn’t possibly have been written by a man? Grammar does not prove the divinity of a text, because grammar is invented by man.
Besides Mohammed did have professional writers in his company. I have earlier mentioned Abd Allah ibn Sad Abi Sarh who was a writer for Mohammed in Medina and not only wrote down his revelations but also made suggestions. Also research has showed that there are grammaticals errors in the Quran.
Of course a man can write a book like the Quran.
Ulriks sura 1:1 “My beloved believers. Do not use violence against people who do not hold a weapon in their hands. My eyes will fill with tears for each drop of blood.â€
Ulriks sura 1:2 “I Allah wish for you my faithful followers, to treat people of all kinds, like you yourself would want to be treated. Do not let any creature suffer pain when you wish to eat it.â€
Ulriks sura 1:3 “Ulrik is my beloved messenger, but do not treat him different. He is not your king. I Allah will not permit my messenger to abuse the great title I have bestown upon him. Seek for his light of wisdom but do not accept his words with closed mind.
There you go. It wasn’t that hard. Took me 10 minutes. I think I could make a great religion :)
Mohamed: “This misguided army you talk about made the best civilization in the whole worldâ€
What exactly makes the islamic civilization the best in the world?
The high point of islamic power and civilization was in 750 A.D. and for centuries the islamic world was ahead of the christian world in culture and science – not because of Muhammeds religion but despite of it. The leading role shifted side when the christian world had its renaissance and later entered the “age of reasonâ€. The muslim world still awaits its own renaissance – and so do the rest of us.
Mohamed: “I hope you understand that Islam is about killng like you thinkâ€
I understand that. I know Islam has positive sides too.
but there are millions of people that speaks about how great a religion Islam is. The world doesn’t really need more of them. The world needs more people to look at Islam with sceptical and critical eyes. Otherwise the muslim world will never understand that Muhammed was not always a perfect man, that not all truths are found in a 1400 years old book and that all people should be free and equal.
Mohamed: “If you want to stay the way you are, you will not learn any thingâ€
Neither will you .. but hey christmas is the time of hope.
Merry Christmas :)
December 23rd, 2006 at 3:04 pm
I’m surprised people still think threats work over the internet.
December 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 am
You know why it’s not historical, because this things happen now too, the Quran is not written by a man, and if you know Arabic so well and know the gramer so well, you will never say it’s written by a man.
This misguided army you talk about made the best civilization in the whole world, they kept the Christian and the Jews alive and they could kill them all, but they didn’t.
I hope you understand that Islam is about killng like you think, you are so obessesed with the idea and you are convinced with it.
If 9/11 didn’t happen, you wouldn’t dare to say that.
If you want to stay the way you are, you will not learn any thing, I think you read a lot, which is good thing, but be reasonable in what you read and read it to know the truth, not to prove a point.
Sorry for who ever talk this way to you, I hope this people understand how to talk with respect to other people, who ever said that to you, it’s not from Islam in any thing, it’s the way he raised, it’s how his parents raised him.
Thank you
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:38 pm
“If you dont shut a fuck up than i will fuck youre whole family mother fucker. Stop talking about my religion. If you dont do that than i will find you”
Ahh just like in the good old days when your prophet went on a killing spree with his army of misguided fools and fanatic assasins. You have a lot to be proud of.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm
“All christens and jews can SUCK my DICK..”
Fuck you for making me side with christians and jews on an issue: we need to destroy people like you
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:30 am
H-D-V, go and suck mohammeds dick you bastard
December 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 am
“He died poor, and I bet you can’t prove it”
I just did. How else do a poor man feed 9 wifes and a stock of slaves? with dirt? He was even given imported medicin when he was lying dying.
By the way his life as a poor man is your claim so the burden of proof is on you my friend.
“not only Quran who mentioned viloent, and war, also Bible and Torah”
The new testament only have one violent sentence. Jesus is in one place quoted for saying that he comes with the sword. The Quran has 123 verses which in some places even instruct its followeres which bodyparts that has to be cut off.
“To read Quran right you have to understand the time and the event, and the reason behind the these versus”
Of course you have. Since it was written by a man that lived in a desert society in 600 A.D., you need to know about that age to understand why Mohammed wrote as he did.
However your religion states that the Quran is eternal and no other revelations will come, so why do you need to know historical facts to understand it? A lot of people doesn’t and you are lacking too. (You keep refering to an atheist society that existed in your prophets time)
Read Jagannath’s post above. He writes it better than me.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 am
Yo Mother Fuckers.
If you dont shut a fuck up than i will fuck youre whole family mother fucker. Stop talking about my religion. If you dont do that than i will find you and fill your face you sucker.
All christens and jews can SUCK my DICK..
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:06 am
ßakaLım SanaL hayatiniz Ne KAdar DAha Uzuycaq AsagıLıq yaratiqLar ! Az kaLdı ßeqLeyin…
December 21st, 2006 at 10:09 pm
He died poor, and I bet you can’t prove it, Abu Baker died poor. Omar Bin Elkhatab died poor, get your proof if you can, not only Quran who mentioned viloent, and war, also Bible and Torah, but it has its reason and its events, so you read the Quran without reading the reasons for these verses, you conclude what you said.
To read Quran right you have to understand the time and the event, and the reason behind the these versus, most of what you mentioned about killing, it was about people want to kill Muslims and get rid of them to make the whole society Athiests again.
I told what I have to say, you want to read the quran and search more for what the reasons for these verses to be there, you will understand better. If you want to read to use it your purpose to misguide people, I will have nothing to say to you.
I don’t understand how the reilgion wasn’t that important to him, when people stoned him till he bleeded every where, and how his life was more important when one of the Athiest arrows in a battle hit his face and they hardly take it out.
God guides you to the truth.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:34 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“I proved your statment wrong my friend, you said he wanted the money, he died poor and he could be easily rich, you said he needed sex, I proved how he could all the sex human-being would ask for with out getting torture to tell his messageâ€
Your prophet was not poor. When Mohammed died he was in supreme command of the muslim society. He was survived by 9 wifes – the youngest only 18 years old. He had plenty of slaves and used some of them as gifts to supporters.
He got most of his women with help from his “revelations†and wealth and slaves was obtained through his wars and robbing caravans. His “revelations†helped him there too. Appearently God wanted his warriors to fight and die for him.
“they offered him any thing he wants to give up this reiligon, he told them, if they put the sun in my left hand and the moon in my right hand, I wouldn’t give up this religion.â€
Ever heard of the Satanic Verses? Your prophets religion was not that important to him when his own life was at stake.
“when you take part of the Quran and not take what before and what after, you could turn to what ever you wantâ€
There are 123 verses in the Quran that call for violence and killings as one source says. How do you think they should be understood?
December 21st, 2006 at 11:39 am
nasıl bi milletdirki böyle seylerin yayınlanmasına izin veriyor nasıl bi miletdirki dünyadaki müslüman ları bukadar küçümsüyor unutmuslar sanırım fatihin onların kelesini vurmakdansa istanbulda istedikleri gibi dolasmalarına izin verdiğini unutmuslar sanırım hala yurdumun heryerinde bir kilise olduğunu ve kimsenin ibadetlerine karısmadığını bu karikatürleri çizen herife söylemek lazım aslında yolacıktığında yoldakarsılasdığı her 5 kişiden 3 ü müslüman ve hayatını pamuk ipliğine bağlı olduğu yazık bir milet bir topluluk ve bir ülke bukadar duyarsız bukadar tepkisiz olmamalı danimarka kardeş önce yüz ölçümüne bak sora hareket et ha denilince dümdüz olursun bu bir tehdit değil sadece gercek ki sunu bilmeni istiyorum eyer bi gün sefer berlik cıkarsa emin ol ben en önde gelirim yurdumun her kadın erkeğiyle beraber
December 20th, 2006 at 12:01 am
There is just the thing that all religions claim.
They claim their religious texts are word of god and thus the texts are without errors and true. IF that is true then you should not be forced to claim that the words are taken out of the context or turned into “bad things”.
How could anyone turn a word of god into bad thing unless it was not so to start with? If the words are true and without errors why do you need to defend them, should not the inherent godly message be apparent to all without explaining?
Second thing happening all the time with religious texts is that when the texts are questioned, the believers bring up that concept that you have to know the situation around the time of the writing to really understand the texts.
Why would a god give a message to humans which requires you to be a scholar of history to understand it? Why would a god give a message that is so distorted by time when god is supposed to be all-powerful.
Third thing is not about the texts but of believers. If you believe the texts to be true why are you so defensive and aggressive when someone questions the texts? Is your faith so weak that mere prodding is going to break it? Or are you so egoistic that you think a god s work needs your protection?
December 19th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
Now, you ask what’s your point?
I proved your statment wrong my friend, you said he wanted the money, he died poor and he could be easily rich, you said he needed sex, I proved how he could all the sex human-being would ask for with out getting torture to tell his message, his society was all Athiest, they could do what ever they want, they took women as slaves, and they were no values, and you can read about this era.
Why would he torture him self, and they offerd him any thing he wants to give up this reiligon, he told them, if they put the sun in my left hand and the moon in my right hand, I wouldn’t give up this religion.
So you words are proving to be wrong. That’s what you image in your mind, Muslims want to go to heaven because of virigins, I don’t want the virgins, I just don’t wnat to be in hell, I want the least thing in heaven, and there are better things than virgins in heaven, the most desireable thing for Muslims is to see god face, and not every body would get this place and then to see prophet Muhammed, and there is other things, it would take me the whole day to talk about it.
What I meant about turning the Quran phrases to bad things, when you take part of the Quran and not take what before and what after, you could turn to what ever you want, and I will give you example, in Quran God says” don’t pray” if you take this phrase that’s something against Islam instruction, but if you read what after the phrase, it will say and you are drunk, so the whole phrase is don’t pray and you are drunk.
For broader image, parts of the Quran came down for certain events and times, and if you don’t know this events, you would intrepret the meaning right, but it doesn’t mean that the Quran is not contemporary, because the events repeat it self.
December 19th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Mohammed wrote:
“Our prohpet died POOR, he didn’t have money”
“at the end he died POOR, do you understand the word POOOR”
Yes I do. So he died poor. Served him well. What’s your point?
“please stop get phrases from Quran and switch them to bad things”
Why is it that the Quran can be turned into bad things? Don’t you believe that the Quran is perfect? revealed from a perfect all-knowing creature to the most perfect man?
If Islam is the most perfect religion how can it possibly be turned into bad things? Even more than any other religious text today?
Mohammed had a opportunity to make a religion that could make the world a better place in all times. A religion that would benefit both men and women of all cultures and faiths.
Instead he turned his “revelations” into the most violent religious text on earth which shamelessly benefitted himself.
“if Prophet Muhammed needed sex, he would do it easily, it’s just your sick mind that makes you think this way”
He reveals that God wants him to have all the women he wants and I’m the one with a sick mind because I don’t believe him? - come on. Your knowledge of human nature can’t be that bad.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
“Islam will stay for ever no matter what happen”
Im guessing thats what the ancient greeks thought about zeus and the ancient egyptians thought about ra. The fact is your religion is no different, it will die out eventually, i just wish i could be there when it finally happened.
“I think you are cheerleader at best, you have no opinion, you as dangerous as Usama Bin Laden, you share him the same stupid opinions.”
Why would you bother calling people names? it brings the whole discussions down, and it hurts your argument. B the way, i havent heard about boris being the mastermind of any terrorist attacks. and guess which one is a muslim…
December 19th, 2006 at 10:56 am
Please stop antagonizing? That’s called ‘trolling’. I’m sure you are aware.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:37 am
please, write something in arabic and copy and paste it a few hundred times… i know you want to…
December 19th, 2006 at 2:35 am
Boris,
Any way, I don’t think you are samrt enough to understand what I’m writting, as I said before, I think you are cheerleader at best, you have no opinion, you as dangerous as Usama Bin Laden, you share him the same stupid opinions.
I don’t care if you rail on me or not, you won’t stop me to say my opinion, Islam will stay for ever no matter what happen, we are going to get better. Nothing last for ever, one day we were the strongest, it’s the westener turn now, we will get it back soon.
Boris,
you can hate Islam and Muslims, I love to see you burning inside of you, every time I write something here, you encourage me to write more and more.
Thank you Boris and have a good night :)
By the way, I hope you undrstood me this time, or I’m going to write Arabic next time:)
December 19th, 2006 at 2:00 am
@mohamed
i know you think i am railing on you all the time, but honestly i don’t even know what you just said. i wish i could reply but once again would’t know how… yes the western countries have superior weapons. hell, all of our tech is superior. certain countries in your sector keep bying our tech with oil money. once we reduce our reliance on oil, i’m afraid you won’t even be able to afford WW2 tech. then what? and hopefuly one day we will liberate europe once everyone realizes what is going on… CCCC
December 19th, 2006 at 12:34 am
Here’s something, no one here cares about how history wrote about the prophet Mohammad, for all we know he was some arab dude who ate the brown acid.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
Wow. This page has gotten so big that typing in the find box on firefox crashes it.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Cimed,
Christians don’t need to explode them self, they have jets , they have nuclear weapons. Who you talk about that commit suicide, they have no life, their family died, they don’t even has weapon to defend them self.
Ulrik,
Our prohpet died POOR, he didn’t have money, so his follower, Omar bin Elkahtab was collecting money to pay his debts before he died, they were people don’t care about this life, and please stop get phrases from Quran and switch them to bad things, like Usama bin laden doing it.
Before Islam, if Prophet Muhammed needed sex, he would do it easily, it’s just your sick mind that makes you think this way, even the Athiest before Muhammed ger the revlation, they respected him, Our prophet Muhammedd’s wife was one of the riches in this time, he doesn’t the money, he had it all and he gave it up for his message, and he got tortured for spreading, and at the end he died POOR, do you understand the word POOOR.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Ulrik mate… CHAMPION…
As long as I never harm anyone, never steal anything, never do bad things, responsible towards my family and friends, I believe I will go to heaven. I believe that whoever is our “God”, He is a fair God and my God is fair to His people.
I can’t help it whenever I think about Islam, I only thought of oppression of women, human rights abuse and violence. Radical moslems are a ticking time bomb. Given the right circumstances, they will explode (literally). Killing innocent victims…
Americans started a war every 10 years from currect statistics. But radical moslems kill someone every day…
Okay, you Moslems out there, how do you feel when a Christian hijacks your plane and try to blow the plane up and tell ALL of you Moslems that you will die for a good cause and you will all go to paradise with this Christian guy. DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL GO TO PARADISE????
December 18th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
I laugh AND curse at them! Fucking brain dead Muslims.
http://www.hernandotoday.com/MGBD642GRVE.html
Curse Allah! Fuck Muhammed! Damn your Gods!
May all the religions of the world be rounded up in some, oh I dunno, let’s call it a death camp. May salvation come to those who conform and are forced to believe in humanity ; learning to sin in moderation and treat everyone as equals. For the non-conformists, we should build a huge cannon, in which they are shot into space, ironically being killed by laws of science before floating off into oblivion.
December 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
you’ve got to laugh at a religion that worships a child molesting prophet!!!!
December 17th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
Burayada sıra gelecek. İslama uzanan tüm diller kopartılacaktır !
December 16th, 2006 at 7:25 am
Mohammed “Stop talking bad about Islam or you will burn in hell” is a threat. Even though you didnt invent the idea of a hell, You choose to use it to benefit your cause. I choose to believe you dont really want anybody in hell.
I wrote your chances for worshipping the right God are 1:4000 since there are over 4000 gods and goddesses in the world. Thats not something i “think”. Its simple math actually. Try re-think it again and you will realize that.
You wrote “At least I have explanation to where we came from, what’s your explanation, the same old Carbon theory that doesn’t make sense.”
..and the idea that man are made from clay like the old babylonians and egyptians believed, makes sense to you?
“you want to talk about sex and money, let’s talk about your life, didn’t you have sex, don’t you run after the money?”
Yes I do but the difference between me and Mohammed is the way we choose to achieve it. Its how a man behave he should be judged.
I married a girl and is faithful to her, I work for my money and have achieved power through honest work.
Your prophet choose to achieve sex, money and power by stealing and claiming a divine connection and thereby exploiting other peoples superstition and fear of God and hell.
He told people that they should obey him.
Sura 4:59 “O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger…â€
As any other cult-leader Mohammed too wanted to isolate his followers to keep them in his power. A few examples.
“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends.â€
“Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk.â€
“Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.â€
He said he God wanted him to have a lot of women
Sura 33:50 “O Prophet, We have made lawful to you those of your wives, whose dowers you have paid, and those women who come into your possession out of the slave-girls granted by Allah, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you, and the believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet may desire her. This privilege is for you only, not for the other believersâ€
Mohammed had 22 women in all and two of them were even slavegirls.
He used threats of violence to keep people in his grasp
“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill himâ€
and he used threats of hellfire to keep people subdued. No other religion refers to hell as many times as the Quran.
And finally because you indicated I as an atheist dont have any values and have threaten me with hell
(hell doesnt exist I know that - its your intentions that counts), I will mention your prophets phedophile marriage to a 9 years old girl. Mohammed was 52 years old at that time. Are you sure you want to discuss atheists lack of values?
I’m sorry to bring this up and have avoided it earlier but you have continually claimed that atheists has no morale and no values.
December 16th, 2006 at 5:41 am
@mohamed
you speak english like you fly airliners… i shudder just reading this. thank you.
December 16th, 2006 at 3:58 am
It was not my threat, I don’t control any thing, I’m the same like you, that’s what god promise. There is no 4000 gods, there is only one god. If you think you are right, I think I’m right too, I don’t beleive that we came from acciedents and evolution. At least I have explanation to where we came from, what’s your explanation, the same old Carbon theory that doesn’t make sense.
I said what I said because I start to find people use the tone, challanging God, and talk like he is somebody to play with.
And who got the money and power and sex? do you mean prophet Muhammed, he could get all of that without Islam, the Athiest offered every thing to give the Islam up, but how could he give up the truth. he died poor as his followers, you want to talk about sex and money, let’s talk about your life, didn’t you have sex, don’t you run after the money, or you an angel?
Sad thing that now the Athies find place where they can claim that they have values, which they have none values.
May be some people feel that I’m attacking them, I’m sorry if somebody had this feeling, at least I’m using my words aginst yours, and I don’t know why you take my words as threat if you don’t beleive in god, is it because deep down you beleive in God, but you fighting it, and you try to feel better about your self?
I told the truth, nobody is going away from god, either me or you, I’m no different, I’m not better than you, we all end to his hand, he will ask what we have done, whether bad or good.
December 15th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Mohammed wrote: “your day is coming, you are not going any where. The more you open your mouth the more you will get you reward.”
Ah the threat of violence. Trademark of a religious fanatic.
No your day is coming. you will die some day like everybody else and nothing will happen.
You should be grateful for that because if you had chosen the wrong religion I wouldnt want to be in your pants. Remember there are over 4000 Gods and Godesses in the world so your chances are 1:4000 and for each day you live as a muslim, chances are you anger the real God/Goddess.
I for one wouldnt want to bet on a religion which states that man are made of clay, the stars are small lamps to keep evil spirits away and that the earth is flat. A religion made by a man who used threats of hellfire and violent deaths to get power, money and sex.
Of course if no religion is true you have just wasted a lot of your life on nonsense.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:48 am
Haradi kum haxix
December 15th, 2006 at 8:39 am
serefsiz kopekler ya ama havlayan kopek isirmazmis! elbette gun gelecek kopek gibi yalvaracaklar ama cok gec olacak.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:36 am
Mohamed, so you’ve moved from thoughtful argument to threatening to sic your god on us, thats kinda sad.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:58 pm
Ulrik and Boris, god created this universe and he claimed that, did you find somebody dare to claim that?, and if there is somebody claimed it, is he still alive, god creats this universe, and you can’t get out of it, you under his control, you can say what ever you want. He gives you the freedom to do and sa y what ever you want, but your day is coming, you are not going any where. The more you open your mouth the more you will get you reward.
Boris, I’m really sure if Muslim boy fought you, you will wet your pants :))
December 14th, 2006 at 4:22 am
and to our muslim friends…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ndo-_9vnK3o
we were eager to fight you 600 years ago, we are just as eager now.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:17 am
@arktis
ROTFLMAO… judging by your poor copy and paste skills, your god is not as mighty as allah…
December 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Sorry for doubble posting but, if you want to send me “god’s forgiveness” forget it, I don’t want it… I’ve denied god into my life and I expect- no, I WANT him to do the same for me… If he’s so understanding, he’s sure to respect and grant my wish… Ralationships, opinions, beliefs, none of them matters to me, it’s only the truth that’s worthy of consideration.
December 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
For each time I hear that a Muslim has gone mad with rage just because someone has drawn a picture of their oh, so special Muhammad, I get the urge to draw a picture myself. Seriously, we make fun of christians, we pull the jews by their noses, we laugh in the face of nazism, we stick our toungues out at communism and we moon just about every political/religious sect there is, why would the Muslims be so special? We are born, we live, we die and no one, a god least of all, can expect us all to live the same way, think the same way and/or believe the same way… You can be my master, my king, or my prophet, but when you and I are both dead, I will look at you as my equal, and that’s going to be the hardest thing ever for you to face and accept… Vive la mort et l’égalité!
December 13th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
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December 12th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
Paging would just spoil the atmosphere now wouldn’t it :)
gasmonso
December 12th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
More than 2000 posts? It might be time to add paging to your site, gasmonso.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
kufur etme
December 9th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
slm. Peygambere dil uzatanlarin Allah hepsinin belasini yakin zamanda versin Müsliman kardeslerimize Allah yardimci olsun ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nerde osamanli soydaslarimiz atalarimiz biz osmanli torunlalari olarak bu hiristiyanlarin dil uzataarak buna layikmiyiz nerde osmanli onlarin kemiklerini sizlatiyoruz Allah bizleride afettsin suc bizim baska yerde aramamizda gerek yok bizim icimizde hayinlik
December 5th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
Asdfa how do you know my questions are silly if you dont understand my english?
I thought your answer was silly too at first but took my time and read it several times carefully.
Then I answered you as well as I could.
Never mind question 2. Its was pretty much like quetion 1 and I think I know how you will answer.
Question 3 simple:
A God makes the world and later people.
He want people to believe he exist.
He then makes a hell for those who will not believe he exists.
After a couple of millions years he sends warnings about hell to one man on earth.
That man is the only one to have warnings from the God for the next 1.400 years.
In those 1.400 years the God makes billions of people not believing in him.
When those billions die he then cast them in fire for all time.
Is that a merciful God?
Is that a clever God?
Does he deserve our worship?
Ulrik
December 5th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
ahh if i could speak english as you ı wıll answer all your silly questions.ULRÄ°K:thanks you!ask the 2 questıon agaın but make it a bit simple…my ing is not so perfect as yours..heey turkish boys and turkish girls…please dont swear.swearing is not a good way to tell the people what you believe and what you defend.please make yourself the real turkısh.allah will help them but wait wait wait…..ULRÄ°K PLEASE MAKE Ä°T SÄ°MPLE THEN ASK ME.OK?
December 5th, 2006 at 9:27 am
Thanks for the reply asdfa.
You answered my question with:
“All people’s bodies contain all the elements.clay is made from soil.soil contain so many elements.as you see the people was made from clay!”
Your answer would have made more sense if the Quran had claimed that man is made from rock, dead animals and plants, because that is what soil is made from.
If you instead of clay said earth and water you are closer to the truth but then again the Quran does not say that man originated in earth and water (clay) which is true in a limited sense. The Quran says that man is made from clay which is wrong.
Mohammed probably got that idea from from older myths. In Babylonian mythology, Marduk, chief among gods, creates humans out of his blood mixed with clay from the earth and in one Egyptian creation myth, the first man is made of clay on a potter’s wheel. I think Jewish traditions also has something about clay.
Either way your defence of your holy book shows one interesting thing: as a muslim you can’t always rely on the Quran for straight answers! You can now ask yourself. What else in the Quran besides the clay sura is not what it seems?
Anyway man is not made from clay. Mohammed didnt know what life originates from and probably used older myths like the egyptians and babylonians as inspiration.
I look forward to your answer of question 2 and I will rephrase third question for you:
“A God invents a hell, Send warnings about it to a single man who only speaks arabic in a desert without any evidence and miracles to go along with it and even chooses to make those revelations in an age where the messenger could not reach all people on earth even if he wanted to.
He declare that messenger for the last one. No more warnings. The God then continues to create billions of non-believers to this day only to be tormented for eternity in his hell after they die
Is that God just and merciful? Is he smart? Does he deserve our worship?â€
Try answer the question without Allah in your mind. Then your mind will think clearer.
Ulrik
December 5th, 2006 at 8:38 am
Heh… heheh. Heheheh!
Come on Pilgrim, you sound like a drugged out hippie. Let’s not be silly.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:22 am
I cant believe you people.. all of you.. atheists, muslims, christians, buddhists.. if you could just step back and see yourselves. I have been an atheist all my life, then i have started to try all kinds of beliefs and where I ended is my own thing and I will not publish it here because I don’t want small or obnoxious minds to make fun of it. Atheism was just not enough: reason, science, morals just cant answer all the questions. and there will always be endless questioning. Till maybe this “passage” ends, we reach the other side of the rivers, and have a great big laugh at how blind or stupid we were. You can choose to live your life “eyes wide shut” like extremists of all religions do, or missing the whole point like atheists do.. but let’s do something funny for a change and step back and look at us all from the man-on-the-moon’s perspective.. don’t we all look like miserable meaningless tiny things ? we are all asking the same questions, but maybe not finding the same answers…
Let’s all enjoy a peaceful quest ..
December 4th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
ALLAH sizin belanızı versinn adiler şerefsizler
December 3rd, 2006 at 6:00 pm
arkadaslar kımse kufur etmesın onların soru sormalarına fırsat verelım ve cevaplayalım tebliğ en onemlı gorevlerdendır.allah ınsallah onlara gerceklerı gormelerınde yardım eder.la ilahe illallah MUHAMMEDEN (s.a.v)resullullah.
December 3rd, 2006 at 5:57 pm
ok these are the answers(i wish i could tell you.because my ing is not so good)
All people’s bodies contain all the elements.clay is made from soil.soil contain so many elements.as you see the people was made from clay!(ı dont thınk ıt ıs enough for you because ı know how to tell you but my ıng is not so good)ı wıll praye the god to help you to see the reals! later ı wıll answer your second questıon! ı couldnt understand what you mean ın 3 questıon!make ıt sıpmle then ask me to help you!i wish allah helps you!
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:25 am
asdfa: “in your hands allah is written!make them pair then you wıll see that allah ıs wrıtten!and also..when you breath you say ‘HU’…allah says that HU ıs one of hıs names..you wıll see the reals.”
Finally at least an attempt to prove Islam right. Not very convinsing though. asdfa why dont you try answer the three previous questions I posted for you?
Here they are again:
1) Do you believe man was originally made from clay? (Sura 55)
2) Do you think the earth is flat? (Sura 71:19)
3) What do you call people who worship a cruel and unfair God who invents a hell, creates non-believers and then find pleasure torturing them for eternity?
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 am
all the ataısts… cant you see your hands?in your hands allah is written!make them pair then you wıll see that allah ıs wrıtten!and also..when you breath you say ‘HU’…allah says that HU ıs one of hıs names..you wıll see the reals. http://www.karahilal.com/mucize%5Folaylar/
ı wıll praye for you.ı wısh allah wıll help you!
December 1st, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Shaze: “I DECRY THAT ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY THAT THEY TREAT THEIR WOMEN. YOU PEOPLE ARE A FUCKING JOKE.”
Thats remind me..
Somebody once suggested shortly after 9/11 that when Osama Bin Laden is captured he shouldn’t be executed as a massmurderer and thereby made into a martyr - but simply have his sex changed by surgeons and returned to Afghanistan as a woman.
November 30th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
brilliant shaze, you even got the caps right
November 30th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
MUHAMMED IS THE MESSENGER OF MY ASS. I DECRY THAT ALL MUSLIMS SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY THAT THEY TREAT THEIR WOMEN. YOU PEOPLE ARE A FUCKING JOKE.
FUCK YOUR HELL, YOUR BIGGOTRY and YOUR CULTURE! MAY YOU DIE OUT LIKE THE DINOSAURS BEFORE YOU.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
asdfa, do you really think your helping your argument? There are some people who follow their faith so blindly that they cant even defend it, because anyone opposing it is evil already judged.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
annoynomus you wıll see the reals.allah curse you.bitchson
November 26th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
Asdfa made two posts and not a single evidence that shows his religion to be the only true religion.
I guess he is one of those smallminded people who believe anything they are told without thinking for themself.
Adsfa you seriously needs to exercise your mind so here are a couple of questions for you:
1) Do you believe man was originally made from clay? (Sura 55)
2) Do you think the earth is flat? (Sura 71:19)
3) What do you call people who worship a cruel and unfair God who invents a hell, creates non-believers and then find pleasure torturing them for eternity? (It begins with an “S”)
Ulrik
“God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters.”
Unknown
November 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
asdfa, you are a stupid brain dead bastard dog!!!, allah did’nt write any fucking book, because allah DOES NOT EXIST, it’s all in your IMAGINATION!!, you fucking idiot
November 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Thanks asdfa, and putting everything caps definitely helped your argument. That website is awesome, i totally see how some stupid symbol is in everything. Im gonna make a website like that, only itll be devoted to the middle finger or goatse. Dont you have anything better to do besides bitch and moan? and if your gonna post something, why not an argument for why anyone should actually follow your religion. By the way THERE IS NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM YOUR RELIGION THAN ANY OTHER
November 26th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
YOUR RELIGION BOOK(WE CALLED IT Ä°NCÄ°L)Ä°S FULL OF BULLSHIT!!!OK…?YOU WRTE IT AND YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU WRITE…!!! OUR BOOK IS WRITEN BY ALLAH!!!ONLY ALLAH MAKES RELIGION NOT HUMAN!!! OK..?
AND ATEÄ°STSSS….THÄ°S Ä°S FOR YOU http://www.karahilal.com/mucize%5Folaylar/
IN EVERWHERE ALLAH IS WRITEN !!! CAN YOU MAKE IT LÄ°ED?AHH YOU Ä°DÄ°OTS!!!I THINK YOU WILL SEE THE REALS…!!!BUT IT WILL BE LATE..
November 26th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
BECAUSE YOU DONT WANNA BELIEVET IT …!!! IT IS HARD TO GAIN PARADÄ°SE…!!!AND THE WAY TO PARADÄ°SE PASS FROM KORAN!!!YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT BOOK!WHEN YOU DIE YOU WILL SEE THE REALS!!YOU WILL SEE ALLAH’s BAD FACE!!!BUT WE WILL SEE ALLAH’s NICE FACE..!! HE SAYS I LL SHOW MY FACE TO MY GOOD SLAVES!!!BUT I LL SHOW MY BAD FACE TO UNBELIEVERS…!!!
YOU ARE GOINGT TO HELL BECAUSE OF YOUR Ä°DEAS!!!I DECLARE THAT MUHAMMED IS THE MESSENGER OF THE GOD !!! I DECLARE THAT KORAN IS ALLAH’s WORDS!!! HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT WE CONT BELIEVE IT ….!!! IN YOUR RELIGION BOOK THERE ARE SO MANY WORDS ABOUT KORAN ABOUT MUHAMMED(S.A.V)!!! BUT YOUR RELIGION BOOK WAS FIRED…!!!YES NOW I CAN SAY THAT IT IS NOT ALLAH’s WORDS(NOT ALL OF THEM)(BUT THERE ARE SOME ALLAH’s WORDS IN YOUR BOOK)(WHEN IT WAS FIRED THE HUMAN WROTE IT AGAIN!!! SO YOU BELIEVE UNREALS!!!
November 24th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
Haters for a reason Abe. Religion is nothing but a HATE CATALYST.
I am going to write a song about religion.
I am going to sing it in as many languages as possible.
The only lyrics will be “Fuck your beleifs”
November 24th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
A hot topic eh lol… alot of haterz out there :(
November 24th, 2006 at 3:19 pm
asdfa,
i have read the bullshit koran and I DON’T BELIEVE IT!!!
now is that simple enough for you?????
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:50 pm
the koran is a book of bullshit
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:45 am
“PLEASE SEE THE REALS!!!THERE IS ALLAH HIS PROPHETS ARE MUHAMMED AND JESUS(TWO OF THEM)….
WE BELIEVE JESUS.I THINK NOW JESUS WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE MUAHHMED!!!BECAUSE HE IS THE LAST PROPHET!!!LA ILAHE ILLALAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULLULAH”
I have on several occasions on this site asked for evidence that proves Mohammed and Islam the only true religion in the world.
I am still waiting for that evidence.
If the Quran is the truth it shouldnt be that hard. Bring it on.
You guys must have something or do you only have a religion that is basically founded on a single person telling the truth 1400 years ago when he said he communicated with an invisible angel?
Big letters, big words, threats of hellfire and endless repetitions of empty religious statements doesnt really do that. Really it doesnt.
Ulrik
November 21st, 2006 at 6:40 pm
“WE BELIEVE JESUS.I THINK NOW JESUS WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE MUAHHMED!!!BECAUSE HE IS THE LAST PROPHET!!!LA ILAHE ILLALAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULLULAH”
“I JUST WANT YOU TO ACCEPT THAT HZ MUHAMMED (S.A.V)Ä°S THE MESSNGER OF ALLAH LÄ°KE JESUS”
Do you people read this site? most of us dont accept jesus as a prophet of god because most of us DON’T BELIEVE IN A GOD. I dont know why im posting this because youll just keep typing bullshit and make your religion look EVEN worse. Have a good day and get a life.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:12 pm
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herkes aşağıdaki siteme gelsin, asıl tartışma konuları orda
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November 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pm
KUFUR YOK!!!YA ALLAH!!!KUFUR ETMEYELIM HERKES 186 YI OKUSUN !!!
November 21st, 2006 at 5:37 pm
ALLAHU EKBER LA ILAHE ILLALAH!!MUHAMMEDEN RESULLULAH HAYDÄ° TURKLER EL ELE VERELIM BUNLARI ……..NE YAPALIM.????
November 21st, 2006 at 5:34 pm
TURK HACKLERLAR NEREDELER ACABA?SIZ SACMA SITELERI HACKLERKEN BU KATOLIKLER VE ATEISTLER SIZIN ANANIZA BABANIZA PEYGAMBERINIZE EN ONEMLISI RABBINIZE KUFUR EDIYORLAR…!!!GEREGINI YAPIN BEN HACKER OLSAYDIM RAHAT UYUYAMAZDIM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!….xXxXxXxXxXxXxXx……..!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 21st, 2006 at 5:30 pm
ANOYMOUS PLEASE SEE THE REALS!!!THERE IS ALLAH HIS PROPHETS ARE MUHAMMED AND JESUS(TWO OF THEM)….
WE BELIEVE JESUS.I THINK NOW JESUS WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE MUAHHMED!!!BECAUSE HE IS THE LAST PROPHET!!!LA ILAHE ILLALAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULLULAH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……..xXxXxXx…….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!