Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
January 14th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
For a moment there I thought they would start dancing but nothing happend.
Thanks for the show Onur. Here is something for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxF12cpLyhM
See it and learn please..
January 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
MUHAMMED is AFFECTIONS PROPHET…
And all of the muslim LAUGH AWAY you…
All are you DIRTINESS
January 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
To be here people very IMPERSONAL and UNDERSTANDING and INCONSIDERATE and ARSE LICKER and COCK UP THE NOSE and TRUMPERY
January 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
LOL… what is the point of that video? i watched it and, , apart from boredom, didn’t really gain much from it…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl3r7BSqWUQ
If you be curious Islam…
Then watch this video…
Please…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
“Come, come again, whoever you are, come!
Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come!
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times,
Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are.”
Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi
January 14th, 2007 at 11:15 am
One more reason to keep Turkey out of the European Union. The list is growing.
We already got Poland in the club so we really don’t need more religious fanatics.
January 14th, 2007 at 10:52 am
I have heard your request Agony and acted accordingly. The spammers have been damned to a life of pain and suffering.
Actually, I have banned several IPs. Surprisingly they’re all from Turkey. I’m getting closer to banning that entire country if this continues. I get countless hack attempts from there too. Annoying people indeed.
gasmonso
January 14th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Spam is growing again at an alarming rate. I call to our allmighty deity gasmonso for help.
January 14th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Sounds great Onur :) Thanks for the commercial.
I know some too:
sura 5:51 “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends..”
Sura 9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge Islam as the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
January 14th, 2007 at 5:59 am
sitenize iyi bakın şimdi
January 14th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Qur’an-
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah.
Cow-136
BAKARA SÛRESİ(136)
Deyin ki: “Biz Allah’a, bize indirilene (Kur’an’a), Ä°brahim, Ä°smail, Ä°shak, Yakub ve YakuboÄŸullarına indirilene, Mûsâ ve Ä°sa’ya verilen (Tevrat ve Ä°ncil) ile bütün diÄŸer peygamberlere Rab’lerinden verilene iman ettik. Onlardan hiçbirini diÄŸerinden ayırt etmeyiz ve biz ona teslim olmuÅŸ kimseleriz.â€
Kur’an-ı Kerim
January 14th, 2007 at 1:39 am
I must have misse the part of islam that says “ye shall spam my enemy’s site, for the true believer does not take easily an inult to his god.” hey what do you know? sounds like a religious text to me…
Anybody interested in writing a new holy book? perhaps “retro testament” or “quran reloaded”…
January 14th, 2007 at 12:03 am
I know arab.
“ALLAHUMME SALLI ALA SEYYIDINA MUHAMMED”
means “We stood last in line when religions were handed out”
January 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Qur’an-
Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah.
Cow-136
BAKARA SÛRESİ(136)
Deyin ki: “Biz Allah’a, bize indirilene (Kur’an’a), Ä°brahim, Ä°smail, Ä°shak, Yakub ve YakuboÄŸullarına indirilene, Mûsâ ve Ä°sa’ya verilen (Tevrat ve Ä°ncil) ile bütün diÄŸer peygamberlere Rab’lerinden verilene iman ettik. Onlardan hiçbirini diÄŸerinden ayırt etmeyiz ve biz ona teslim olmuÅŸ kimseleriz.”
Kur’an-ı Kerim
January 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
“Ok about wikipedia, the stories in wikipedia could be written by Jewis or any other.”
It’s great you show signs of a critical mind. Keep it up.
However the story is not only on wikipedia. Try a google search - I did and got 11.900 hits - a busy jew :)
I myself got it from a book about Mohammeds life based on arab sources. Did you notice the painting on the wikipedia page? Its an illustration to a text by Muhammad Rafi Bazil. Doesn’t sound jewish to me.
“I red some of it, there is no way tha Muhammed comment that he ordered to kill women and childern.”
He didn’t - they ended up as slaves. The adult male population was killed after they surrendered to your prophet.
“We don’t kill civilians and if it happens now, that’s becaust they don’t the real Islam.”
Good to hear :)
January 13th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
actually mohammed, the guy who wrote (most of) that specific page got some islamic wikipedian awards. you can read more about him here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aminz
You’d think jews are/were/will always be biased against moslems from what you say.
January 13th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Ok about wikipedia, the stories in wikipedia could be written by Jewis or any other.
I red some of it, there is no way tha Muhammed comment that he ordered to kill women and childern. We don’t kill civilians and if it happens now, that’s becaust they don’t the real Islam.
The most thing that was worryin Omar Bin Elkhatab, when he order the army to conquer country, that he was scared that on the leaders of the army does unjust, because God will ask him about that, so tell me why would he think this way?
January 13th, 2007 at 6:10 am
Mohammed Said:
Just notice, I never claimed that i’m so knowledgable in Islam and Quran, I always try to talk with logic more that Quran, you don’t believe in Quran, how do you want me to use the Quran to argue with you.
So you agree that your knowledge about Islam is roughly what you’ve heard from others, what your family taught you, and what you’d imagine a “perfect” religion would be?
Nobody is asking you to use the Quran to prove your point. But please, contradicting your religion while trying to defend it doesn’t give you much credibility.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Mohamed:
“There were militry conquer, but it was the peopl was doing unjust, and they humilate the poor people, and take people as slaves”
“we never attacked civilians, and you said it”
Mohamed read this wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qurayza
Male prisoners were massacred and the rest were enslaved by your prophet.
Slavery was widespread in the early muslim society. The prophet himself had many.
I hope I didn’t misunderstood you too Mohamed.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:07 am
Arktis
“Clear case of misunderstanding on your part. I think you just wanted to make your point about Muhammad so badly, you forgot to pay careful attention to what somebody else was saying.”
I just simply misunderstood what you meant.
“..All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an.”
Sorry about that.
January 13th, 2007 at 2:18 am
There were militry conquer, but it was the peopl was doing unjust, and they humilate the poor people, and take people as slaves, and it was only army against army, we never attacked civilians, and you said it, it would the worst massacres, and who would hold them off, there was no media, there was no orginazation to condemned or state, that was shamful doing, they could do what ever they want.
So to compare between Bush ans Muslims at this time, it’s not fair and you know it. Bush knows all the media see and watch and he still doing it.
The other thing, you said that Muslim got defeated between 1500 and 1600, how far this after our prophet and his sincere followers.
Every civilization has its ups and downs, Muslims weren’t to stay strong all the way, power never last for any civilization, no matter who you are.
I thought that you understood this point before, that nothing last for ever.
Just notice, I never claimed that i’m so knowledgable in Islam and Quran, I always try to talk with logic more that Quran, you don’t believe in Quran, how do you want me to use the Quran to argue with you.
The other thing it’s really bad, if I said something in Quran and I wasn’t correct, it’s huge responsiblity I would like to take, but I really don’t have time to search and respond.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Clear case of misunderstanding on your part. I think you just wanted to make your point about Muhammad so badly, you forgot to pay careful attention to what somebody else was saying.
It’s happened to me a few times before… happens to everyone Mohamed does it a lot. Nothing to be upset over once you realize the mistake.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
“You also said we only have the Quran as a historical source.”
No, I never said that.
January 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
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January 12th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Here is the caravan story. I am surprised that anybody who claims to be a moslem doesn’t know it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr#The_caravan_raids_.28ghazaw.C4.81t.29
And about spereading by force… I guess when you say they “freed” christians from the romans you mean the same as when bush says we “freed” iraq? It sounds to me like both used the sword…
As for your argument that there are still christians, your religion isn’t as forgiving againt religions other than christianity and jewdism. They were allowed to live, but their land was conquered all the same. (not to mention the rule that says people he leave islam - people like me - must be killed!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam
January 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
“The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.â€
Thats the second time you use that argument and for the second time I will respond.
You assume that since Islam doesn’t rule the world, it must have spread without war - since Islam of course would have won if it had tried to conquer the world, right?
I suggest you start reading world history. As examples of muslim defeats I can mention the siege of Wienna 1683 and the attack on Malta 1565. Both ended in humiliating defeats for the muslims. Also the muslims were finally kicked out of Spain by force in 1492.
“I think we got to the point that we are not going to agree, you tempt to read what ever you think bad with Muhammed,”
Thats right. Most people like you only read and hear the good stuff about him. Some people has to balance it.
Look at it from a positive aspect. You know a lot more about the history of your culture and religion after you started debating on this forum.
“You can see that Christian still alive in ME, Muslims didn’t kill them”
No, if they had that would have been some of the worst massacres in history.
Is that really your proof that no military conquest ever happend?
January 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
“Look Ulrik… I don’t care at this point. All I said was that Mohamed doesn’t think the same way about it you do. From his point of view, everything Muhammad did was self defense. He’s never going to agree with you, no matter what.
Did you not read all of my post?”
I did. Did you read your own post a second time before you posted it?
You said nobody should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do since we can’t really be certain about any of it.
You also said we only have the Quran as a historical source.
I disaggreed on both and presented historical sources.
You say you don’t care. no matter - I just wanted to clear up some things for the readers of the forum in general.
Oh and also Mohamed claimed that no caravans was attacked. I needed to respond to that too.
January 11th, 2007 at 2:57 am
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January 11th, 2007 at 2:55 am
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January 11th, 2007 at 2:52 am
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January 11th, 2007 at 2:21 am
“The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.”
That’s not true. Think about it. Every conquering nation has been stopped when it has tried to expand too far, too quickly. You can’t just swing your sword throughout the entire world “willy-nilly” and expect to conquer it that way. Eventually, you will be stopped when enough people unite against you in force of arms.
So basically, you’re using wishful thinking. Islam was indeed spread by force of arms. This much is written all over history. The religious empire created by it’s military expansion peaked, and then was eventually driven back.
If Islam would try to spread through warfare again today, it would be annihilated by a military alliance of world nations.
January 11th, 2007 at 1:40 am
I think we got to the point that we are not going to agree, you tempt to read what ever you think bad with Muhammed, I don’t where you got the Caravan story?. I never heard of it and I will try to make sure.
The other thind, Islam didn’t spread with sword, like you say, you wouldn’t be here if Islam spread by sword.
You can see that Christian still alive in ME, Muslims didn’t kill them, on the contrary Islam freed them from the Roman. Yes they paid taxes, Muslims paid Zakat, and you still paying taxes for your Gov, and I dare you not to.
January 10th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Look Ulrik… I don’t care at this point. All I said was that Mohamed doesn’t think the same way about it you do. From his point of view, everything Muhammad did was self defense. He’s never going to agree with you, no matter what.
Did you not read all of my post?
To add, sure… looks like he was wrong about the caravan thing. But he’s still not going to change his mind.
That’s all I was saying.
January 10th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Arktis wrote:
“I don’t really think anyone, not even Muslims, should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do. We can’t really be certain about any of it. All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an.”
Like any other historic person we need to rely on what is written down and what is physically found - but of course we can’t be certain.
Until a timemashine is invented, we will have to settle with that (the religious people better pray that such a mashine never will be invented)
The most important sources to Mohammeds life is the Quran and the historian Ibn Ishaq who delivered the oldest writings about Mohammeds life. Also we have the hadiths.
It is with these sources I make the assumption that Muhammed would have used bombs if they existed.
Examples from these sources:
1) Muhammed ordered 9 men to attack a Qurayshis caravan. On the last day of the holy month they attacked. Muhammed was given 1/5 of the booty. People were angry that Muhammed had shed blood in the holy month but the prophet then had a revelation telling that it was okay :)
2) When the Qurayza jews surrendered to Muhammed he ordered all men and boys with hair in their face to have their heads cut off. The massacre lasted all day and into the night.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:14 am
How ignorant can you be? Open a child’s book on islam Badar was fought because Mohammed was going to attack a caravan.
And if you’re so sure of yourself that you aren’t checking your dictionary… Why am i even reasoning with you?
What would make more sense? Well, tell me what sense these verses make: “ALM” “HIA’S” “YS”… you know what i mean.
What sense does it make when god says “things are this this this way” and later says “Now god saw that in truth it is this this this”? (refering to the verses saying how many infidels one moslem can kill)
You see? Your Quran doesn’t always make sense. But I am sure if it was found that the dead see had some bad properties suddenly it would all make sense to you guys.
January 10th, 2007 at 2:02 am
Yeah…
Ulrik and Mohamed:
I don’t really think anyone, not even Muslims, should be claiming what Muhammad did or did not do. We can’t really be certain about any of it. All we know is what is written about him. In the context of this conversation, what is written about him in the Qur’an. Whether or not any of it is true is unknowable, but Muslims believe it and so that’s what makes it important since their faith is centered around it.
The Qur’an tells us he was a general and also that he spread Islam through the sword. Muslims believe this was to defend the word of Allah, especially since the Qur’an says he told people to fight in self-defense. Non-Muslims just see Muhammad simply as fulfilling the age-old role of a bloody conquerer.
It’s clear that you’re both on opposing sides of opinion about this.
That’s all I wanted to say. Unless you want to hear what I think…
January 10th, 2007 at 1:25 am
Muhammed never attacked Caravans, and he never fought other than self-defense, read and talk about it before you say something you don’t know.
I know the dictionary, I would agree with you if you want to teach me Englis, but not Arabic, I know my language.
My question to you, what would make sense in the sentence, the lowest land or that worst land?
I know you are smart enough to answer this question, but you don’t want to answer, because if you answer it, that would make valid point that Muhammed was getting this information from higer-being who is God.
I don’t think Muhammed would use bombs, because bombs doesn’t distinguish between child and fighter, which you know what did I mean about that.
January 9th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Now that the bombhead-Muhammed is mentioned.
Here is a question. If bombs were being made in 600 A.D. would Muhammed then have used them?
Considering his military expeditions, attacks on caravans and assassinations of people opposed to his rule, I would think that the cartoon with the bomb on the head would not have been far from the truth.
January 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
If we can’t all agree about what Mohommad looks like, then how will Mel Gibson cast for his next big religious blockbuster?
You Muslim’s better all get on the same page on this one, or I’m sure there will be hell to pay.
I vote for the Bomb-head one.
January 9th, 2007 at 11:25 am
önce bi kac yorumu okudukdan sonra bende yorum yazmak istedim. bikac müslüman arkadasima cok hak veriyorum. müslümaniz diyosunuz, ama küfürle cevap veriyorsunuz.benim büyüklerimden ögrendigim $udur. Hz Peygamberimiz (sav) “size tas atana siz cicek atin” demis herhalde bunu derken onunda bi bildigi vardir. bence aynisi burdada gecerli insanlara küfür ederek hakli oldugunuzu gösteremessiniz. Onlara bizimde kültürlü, seviyeli, kaliteli tartisabilecegimizi göstermeliyiz! küfür ederek onlara sadece gaz vermis oluruz. onlar bize küfür eder, biz onlara… bu hep böyle devam eder.fakat seviyeli tartisirsak eger onlar düsündüklerini söyler biz düsündügümüzü söyleriz bir ortak nokta bulunur.cünkü sonucta müslümanlar, hristiyanlar ve tüm dinler anlasmak zorunda cünkü bu dünya ne bizim sadece nede onlarin, hepimiz bir ortak nokta bulup karsi tarafimiza saygi göstermeliyiz…BYEZZ
January 9th, 2007 at 2:22 am
like what I mentioned before, that we will defeat the Roman in the lowest place on the earth, and somebody argue with me the meaning of the word it’s should the worst not the lowest
Cared to check your dictionary yet? or are you too scared of the truth?
January 8th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Hey muslumanlar boyle kufurler etmek size yakisir, peygamberiniz edebli olmanizi soylemedimi. Peygamberiniz hakkinda hic bir sey bilmiyorsunuz. Muhamme’in ilk karisi Hatice hiristiyan degilmiydi. Muhammet muslumanliktan once Ay tanrilarina inanmiyormuydu. Buyuzden bayraklarda Ay tanrisnin simgesi olan Ay var. Ona buna iftiralar atmadan once ac gozunu ve sana yutturulan uydurma bilgilerin dogrulugunu arastir. Tanri butun inananlari sizin gililerin serrinden korusun.
January 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
“if people screwed up and turn it to something bad, we shouldn’t blame Islam, otherwise I should blam Athiesm every time Athiest does a crime.”
The difference here is that atheism doen’t prvide an excuse for doing something bad. Islam does provide and excuse. All you have to do to get an excuse to do something bad is interpret Islam in a certain way that allows it.
With atheism, you can’t do that. You have to take personal responsibility for your own choices because there is nothing to misinterpret to give you an excuse.
January 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Islam provided some scintefic facts, but it’s not scintefic encyclopedia, and it never meant to be, even if there is primitive ideas, that’s to deal with people minds at this era, and yet Quran said things we just have discoverd lately, like what I mentioned before, that we will defeat the Roman in the lowest place on the earth, and somebody argue with me the meaning of the word it’s should the worst not the lowest, and I know the word mean both, but it doesn’t make sense to say the worst land no the lowest land, and it turns out to be true, that it was the lowst part on the who earth.
As I said before, that reiligion came to make life better, not worse, if people screwed up and turn it to something bad, we shouldn’t blame Islam, otherwise I should blam Athiesm every time Athiest does a crime.
Devil promised human-being that he is going to tempt them to do wrong doing, and there is no exceptin whether you are Muslim or Jew or any other kind.
We did mistakes and we will do mistakes, other wise we are not human-being any more.
We should work to make life better, we are wasting our time arguing, and some other fighting, and some other killing.
January 8th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
islam is a cancer of the human race!!!!
January 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“..the other thing who didn’t say the heaven, he sais I raisde the sky, so the sky that you see by your eyes, that’s what he meant.”
If your holy book said straight out that the earth is round and orbiting the sun in a space where there is no air to breathe. That the stars are other suns far away and even described galaxies and other planets. If the Quran spoke of the icy worlds in the south and north or cultures far away, you would have little trouble proving Islam true and Mohammed would indeed seem to have divine knowledge.
..but it doesn’t - In fact the Quran only speaks of things primitive people could see for themself in their own world without astronomical instruments.
And if that wasn’t bad enough for your case, the good prophet even threw in things like evil spirits and mythical monsters in his fantasy world.
“Yes Islam is prohibiting all kinds of drinking, how could you know that who is going to drink wouldn’t hurt anybody, how you guarantee it?”
I can’t. Also I can’t guarantee that nobody will turn up and kill you with his car - or a kitchen knife.
You want a world where nobody drinks alcohol because some people can’t control it? Lets abolish religion then my friend. You and me working together!
You can’t guarantee me that nobody will lose control of their religious faith and do something weird like cut the head off a non-believer like the Quran calls for. It has been known to happen you know.
I hope you see my point and in the future will have more respect for other peoples choices in life.
January 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Yes Islam is prohibiting all kinds of drinking, how could you know that who is going to drink wouldn’t hurt anybody, how you gurantee it?
The other thing you didn’t prove any thing, God didn’t say the earth is flat about the whole earth, he meant the vallies where you can plant, where you can put homes, the other thing who didn’t say the heaven, he sais I raisde the sky, so the sky that you see by your eyes, that’s what he meant.
You have this life, how could you gurantee that you will have it the next moment, you don’t even when are you going to die, your scince will never tell you, Darwin will never tell you, so you go it right you have this life for one time, so don’t screw it up, because there another life, but not on the earth.
January 8th, 2007 at 10:20 am
ulan orospu cocuklarıı alayınızın anasını sıkeyım bu kafırlerıı lenc etmek lazım muslumanlara yobaz dıyen kahbelerde musluman ulkesınde yasamasınlar o fırcayıı senın ananın amına sokarımm fak you den mark
January 8th, 2007 at 10:18 am
şimdi anlatmak ıstedıgım sukı hz. ısa da munezzeh bır peygamberdır ama ben ona saygızılık yapmak ıstemıyorum ama su ankı katolıg ve hrıstıyan meshebını allahın lanetıyle lanetlıyorum inş peygamberımın lanetı meleklerın lanetı cınlerın lanetıı o halk uzerıne olsun amın yoksa ben bır çizerim onları nasıl ve nerde cızıldıklerını anlayamazlar mısal seyh şamıl usame bın laden yavuz sultan selım kanunı sultan suleyman gıbı dedelerıı boyle gonderıldıı sıra torunlarına gelmessın
January 8th, 2007 at 5:36 am
Mohamed wrote:
“..how many accidents happen daily because of drinking and inconnet people killed, because of stupid drunk person, how many women and childern get abused becasue of it?”
I said as long as other people don’t get hurt people should be allowed to do whatever they want. Your response talks about drunkdriving and violence against women and children which is illegal where I live.
Islam does not allow any kind of drinking - even the harmless (but it does allow violence against women).
“The other thing, you watched what you watch in Iran, USA did the same, they hang up Saddam on TV, which the same thing they were crying about when some terroirst did it for America, I don’t support it, but they used the same method they cried about before.”
So now you compare an execution of a massmurderer with killings of unarmed an innocents? You compare hanging with stonings?
Saddam Hussein had caused the death of hundred of thousands muslims. How many has a women who is stoned to death for having sex outside marriage, killed?
Mohamed please please think before you write. You are not defending your culture and religion - you are making it worse.
“There is no contridiction between scince and religion”
Funny I seem to recall several examples on this page where Islam is scientifically wrong. A flat earth with seven layers of heaven and a sun and a moon orbiting it. Man originally made from clay. Mythological monsters. You also talked about a moon being split for 1400 years ago.
“all of the scince wasn’t made mostly bey Athiest”
You are correct. Sorry if I gave that impression - but many of the most groundbreaking scientific discoveries has been opposed by religion.
Of course if a scientific discovery accidently can be fit into religious mythology, the religious people are just happy about it - like the Big Bang theory. Some muslims scholars like to see the Big Bang theory as a proof that sura 21:30 is correct:
“Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, ….” -
conviently forgetting that the earth wasn’t created in the big bang. Thats how some religious people use sciense.
The fact is that the Quran does not portrait any 20th century scientific discovery. Just look at this sura:
13:2 “Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you see …”
The earth is in fact a planet surrounded by space or “heaven” if you like. The idea of raising the heavens like a roof over the earth shows that Muhammed thought the earth was flat.
“if you rule the world, you will destroy it, by your ideas”
Atheists know we only have this world and only this life. We know that if we destroy the world, noone will come and save us. Why would we then want to destroy it?
January 8th, 2007 at 2:30 am
I’m sorry, but once again you have decided that instead of actually looking at what the problems with Islam are, you are focusing outwards and saying how horrible everyone else is, as if this solves the problem.
It doesn’t reconcile your irrational beliefs with the real world. It doesn’t make your pro-Islamic position more valid. It doesn’t help you deal with your problems. It doesn’t give you any credibility. It only makes you feel better about yourself. This is childish behavior.
As to the issues raised, I will only say a few things:
1.) This site is for discussions of a religious nature. It’s not for politics, not for conspiracy theories, not for hatred of other people, not for any of those petty things.
2.) If you think the policy of the United States is not a topic of concern for many of us, you are wrong. If you were to get to know many of the more educated Americans, you would find that the policy of their country is a topic of immense concern and frequent discussion. Unfortunately, there is a religious majority of 80% in the United States. As far as most of them are concerned, George Bush is a gift from God, the apocalypse is near, and even if our government is doing something wrong, it is God’s plan and so they should just let it happen. There’s nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. They have irrational faith, just like you Muslims do. So spare me the blame game. You tried it with the Jews and now you’re trying it with “the west”. You’ll do anything but take responsibility for your own irrational beliefs and behaviors. Instead you are looking at the behaviors of other people but not drawing the connection between theirs and yours.
…At least those of us who are agnostics and atheists have taken that step. We’ve done it with the tools of rational thinking and worked our way out of the pit. The pit that you people are still inside of. All we’re asking is that you climb out of it, and look around. If you still want to be irrational, then just go right back inside, but at least take the responsibility for your beliefs by admitting the truths about them. Don’t try to point the finger elsewhere to keep from confronting the truth: faith is irrational, and being irrational has terrible consequences.
January 8th, 2007 at 2:04 am
What’s wrong about drinking?
I thought you read a lot, how many accidents happen daily because of drinking and inconnet people killed, because of stupid drunk person, how many women and childern get abused becasue of it?
The other thing, you watched what you watch in Iran, USA did the same, they hang up Saddam on TV, which the same thing they were crying about when some terroirst did it for America, I don’t support it, but they used the same method they cried about before.
There is no contridiction between scince and religion, I know that Muslims didn’t contribute a lot lately, but that’s not because Islam, that’s because the occupation that exhauste the whole Area for the last century taking the countries resources and leave the countries without even education, other than that, all of the scince wasn’t made mostly bey Athiest.
You are just minority now, if you rule the world, you will destroy it, by your ideas and.
Please tell hi to the evolution :)))
January 7th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
To atheists and religious moderates, who spend most of your time criticising Muslims:
If you care so much about women, why don’t you do any thing about Muslim (as well as non-Muslim) women and children who work for slave wages to manufacture goods sold in Western countries? How come you haven’t done anything about Westerners who go on what’s euphemistically called sex tours, in poor countries, to exploit women and children, not only sexually but violently in snuff films?
Why is it despite living in democratic countries you have not stopped the government from engaging in regime changes (even demicraticaly elected ones) and supporting brutal dictators in order to exploit the natural resources? Why do you allow Western governments to sell weapons to fuel wars (sometimes weapons are sold to both sides of a conflict). Alot of you pay lip service to human rights violations in countries like Saudi Arabia. If you really cared about human rights you would be demanding that the U.S. government stop accepting trillions of investment dollars from that country. But you don’t do that becasue the money is more important to you.
January 7th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Mohamed,
Atheism helped me to be a better person. I used to spend hours studying my religious texts, learning about prophets and saints and such, and all the things the supposedly did. Now I spend this time studying science, art, and performing community service. I used to give 10% of my income to the Church. Now instead I can donate that money to local community charities and projects. Even if I spent it, it would at least go into the local economy, not get shipped off to Church Headquarters.
I also occasionally play poker and have a couple of beers with some friends. The money spent on the beer goes into the local economy. Some of my friends are women. They are completely equal in every way to me. None of my atheist friends think that spousal abuse is justifiable. My married atheist friends see marriage as a partnership and they discuss major decisions to form a consensus. My brother-in-law, on the other hand, is religious. He meets with a men’s group, where they pray to God, and then discuss how God wants them to be rulers of their household. They arbitrarily ban things like Harry Potter and Pokemon, and then confiscate toys from their children. They talk about how women should stay at home and raise children, and subjugate themselves to the will of the man. Then they put bumper stickers that say “I love my wife” on their cars.
So yes, Atheism makes people better.
January 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Ben 18 Yaşındayım, Bir Gencim
Ve Karikatür Hakkında Yorum Yapan Müslüman Kardeşlerimi (Argo, Lahça) Küfür Edenleri, Sabretmeye Davet Ediyorum
Biliyorum Karikatürleri Görünce Çıldırdınız Ama Biz Böyle Kızdıkça
Onlar Daha Beterini Çizecek Ve Daha Çoğalıcak.
Ne Yaptıklarını Bilmemem Ama Bizi Birbirimize Düşürecekler Sanıyorlar
Yanılıyorlar,
Rabbimiz ALLAH’dır, Allah’ın Resulu Muhammed(s.a.v)dir, Tek Yol Ä°slamdır. Kitabımız Kuran-ı Kerimdir.
Mahşer-de Hepsinini Hesabı Sorulacak
Elimizdne BirÅŸey Gelmiyor Ama
Onlar Bu Karikatürü Çizerekde Sevgilime Zarar Veremezler.
Sevgilime Dokunmayın, AÅŸkımı Ä°ncitmeyin, yeter artık yayınlamayın, Allah’ın azabını hafife almayın
Beni Hasta Halimle PeriÅŸan Ettiniz
Allah’da Sizi Kahru PeriÅŸan Etsin
January 7th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Mohamed wrote
“..and people who has the most cruel heart to the most peaceful people and the most civilized people on the whole earth,..”
Oh man Mohamed you are so funny.
I just watched an iranian execution the other day on the net. They were buried to the shoulders in the ground and people threw rocks on them crying “Allah is great!”. Eventually they died with blood all over the place.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
“what the Athiesm changed? nothing.”
Ever heard of a little word named “science”? I suggest you start reading some books. Start with the history of classical greece and their philosophers.
“What the Athiesm opinion about drinking, what about gambling, Athiesm would make sick enviornment.”
“Islam prohibit a lot of things that you can’t give up on, because you are so weak, that’s what Islam about.”
Why do you have a problem with other peoples drinking and their gambling? What have they done to you?
Why do you want to prohibit other people doing what they like doing?
What have they done to you?
Why do you want to interfer in other peoples marriages with laws?
What have they ever done to you?
As long as people doesn’t hurt other people, shouldn’t they be allowed to do what they want?
You live in the USA - what if the american government suddenly decided that praying to Allah was making a sick environment? Shouldn’t you be allowed to do what you want as long as you don’t hurt other people?
“Islam is the truth, and that’s why you hate it.”
Oh grow up.
Besides you havent proved it yet :)
January 7th, 2007 at 9:54 am
Agony wrote:
“I know i’m nitpicking, but no one said it was part donkey part mule from what i know”
I have a book about Mohammeds life and I quoted from it very precisly. The book is written from muslim sources.
Anyway half donkey or not. Mohamed has admitted that he believes in mythological monsters. That makes him just as much a “man of reason” (his own words) like the people that stand by the shores of Lock Ness looking for Nessie :)
At least the Nessie-hunters has some photographic evidence to clinch to.
Mohamed wrote:
“we beleive that the moon split to two halfs in in this night, which is approved in Nasa that the moon look like it split one time”
I have read astronomy since I was a kid and I have never heard that one before. Could you please refer to SCIENTIFIC books or websites about that subject?
“Athiesm never helped any body to be better.”
How do you know that?
What about the love of truth?
The real truth - not the truth every christian, jew, hindu, buddist, muslim, etc.. think is the truth, but the real truth. Seeing the world as it is without demons, flying animals with human heads, gods, invisible creatures like angels and djihns?
What about honesty and fairness?
Look at yourself. You are a religious man and when I critized your prophet for having sex with a child you called me sick in my head.
I told you that the Quran is 123 times more violent than the christian scriptures and how did you respond? You simply stated that it was me who was obsessed with violence.
Look at you. You are not even capable of looking at your own belief with critical eyes.
Through history it has taken a large amount of courage for people to break free and stand by their view of the world. These people had a love for truth and freedom.
Tens of thousands were burned at the stake, murdered by the religious and people in muslim countries are still being murdered even today for speaking out against the religios view of the world.
Atheism doesn’t need blind belief in order to survive.
January 7th, 2007 at 3:05 am
Let me tell one more thing, we beleive that the moon split to two halfs in in this night, which is approved in Nasa that the moon look like it split one time and they don’t want to show the truth about that.
I beleive in that completely, if you told some body from 200 years, that there will be airplane will fly and take you from country to another country in 3 hours, he will say you are saying nonsense.
I really beleive that’s happend, and the night he did, he explain all the places he went through and people approved his descreptions for these places, and some people dobut it, but he gave them the proof, tha he saw people travelling in the desert and he descriped every thing about these people, and they showed up and he was saying the truth.
Prophet Muhammed took the most influential person in the history and from westerner opinion, not middle eastern, they gave him the most and Jesus came in the third place, he wouldn’t take it if he didn’t change the whole huminity by his message, the message of the truth.
All I know that there no comparision betweem, Islam and Athiesm. Athiesm never helped any body to be better.
Islam changed people who was killing their 1 year old daughter becaus the ashamed that they go girls and people who has the most cruel heart to the most peaceful people and the most civilized people on the whole earth, what the Athiesm changed? nothing.
What the Athiesm opinion about drinking, what about gambling, Athiesm would make sick enviornment.
You all don’t like reiligion, becaus it restrict you from doing something you don’t want to quit, something you can’t fight, either lust or sin you can’t quit.
Islam prohibit a lot of things that you can’t give up on, because you are so weak, that’s what Islam about.
In USA, you can be married and go have sex with somebody else and that’s not illegal, but if you married mor than one woman that’s illegal, what a sense?
Islam is the truth, and that’s why you hate it.
For who ever said this thing which I’m not going to repeat, thank you, I think that’s coming from what you beleive in.
January 6th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
mohammed, you can suck my dick!!!
January 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
@Ulrik,
I know i’m nitpicking, but no one said it was part donkey part mule from what i know(and from what wikipedia says):
I was brought by the Buraq, which is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place its hoof at a distance equal to the range of vision.
I am interested though… Where did the face of a woman in islamic art come from?
@Mohammed,
Now you’ve had it, you brought the wrath of the atheists down on yourself :P
Seriously though, believing that there is no all knowing all powerful being out there until proven otherwise doesn’t sound stupid to me. Especially when the alternative is a religion like Islam(Wicca would be nice though… At least they don’t consider their religion “the only way(TM)”)
January 5th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.â€
You call atheism stupid? Well I have one question for you Mohamed.
Muhammed the prophet claimed that he one night flew on the back of a white animal that was half donkey, half mule, had a tail like a dromedar and a head of a women. It also had wings.
As usual we have to take Muhammeds words for it, since nobody else saw the animal take him up in the air.
Do you believe that Muhammed told the truth?
January 5th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Hepinizin bacisini sikeyim emi amina kodumun dizsiz gotverenleri yarın obur gun bu site hacklanirde gorursunuz o zaman
January 5th, 2007 at 1:39 am
“I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.”
Tisk tisk, Mohamed. Once again, you seem unaware of the fact that your position does not have a rational basis and therefore has nothing in common with an agnostic/atheist position.
So once again you make the erroneous claim that X is the same as Y, despite the many times your line of thinking has been demonstrated to be false. You aren’t displaying the capacity to absorb and apply knowledge, much less recognize simple logical truths.
You = irrational beliefs in unverifiable anecdotes
Agnostic/atheist = no irrational beliefs in unverifiable anecdotes
Not the same. Not even close. So taking a stance based on one position cannot be said to be the same as taking a stance based on the other. One is defending logic, and the other is defending irrational beliefs. They are pretty much opposite.
Please… learn.
January 5th, 2007 at 12:31 am
I don’t think I tried to convert somebody, I’m trying to build better understanding about Islam, and not let somebody use the Radical Muslims to show that ps what Islam about.
I don’t care if you convert or not, I’m not a God, I’m not going to judge you at the end.
I’m here to defend what you think it’s stupid, the same like you defend what I think it’s stupid about Athiesm.
January 4th, 2007 at 5:53 am
you are in wrong…..
January 4th, 2007 at 5:17 am
@Mohammed,
Right, I think no one here has a problem with your religion if you treat it as just that: A religion.
Stupidity and ignorance, we do have a problem with though, and since this stupidity is built upon religious believes, this is what we are going to attack(especially because in our opinion it’s just as stupid).
So, as long as you don’t come to my place, and try to convert me(like moslems here often do) I have no problem with you following your religion. Just don’t use it to bother people and you’ll be surprised how little anybody cares about it.
January 4th, 2007 at 1:12 am
It’s not about Islam, Islam has nothing to do with the fighting between the two parts, it’s because Muslims are so stupid, they don’t know if they are united, they will be better off.
What can I say about Muslims these days, they are my people, all I know that every nation has ups and downs, and it’s our turn to take the downs and learn, sometimes blood has to be shed unfortuantly like it happens in the civilian war in USA, and Europe struggle.
I hope so.
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:02 am
@Anonymous
The answer the moslems always give is “Islam condemns these things”. Curiously enough, no one seems to be trying to stop those people, instead they all jump at cartoons.
@Andrew
Yeah but… I am sure someone could slip in a serious nazi note to get Godwins Law to work. To the other users there would be no difference.
January 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 am
From wikipedia:
It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise [Godwin's law] with the motive of ending the thread.
January 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 am
if islam was “perfect” as its followers claim, then shias and sunnis wouldn’t be killing each other, would they??????
January 3rd, 2007 at 5:25 am
bu yaptığınız terbiyesizlik.allah belanızı versin.şerefizler.
January 2nd, 2007 at 4:17 am
@Mohammed,
Maybe that he answers question when you ask them? Something neither you nor your Muslim friends are able to do.
And perhaps it escaped your notice that Boris mainly talks about getting rid of the religion not the people.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 am
bütün müslümanlar barbardır burda bile herkese küfür yağdırıyorsunuz. bu dünyadaki tek inanç müslümanlıkk değil .diğer dinlerde allah tarafından önderilmiştir
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:38 am
muhammedin karikatürü yayınlansa nolur yayınlanmasa nolurr.. artık bıktım şu barbar müslümanlardan br türk olarak
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 am
Agony,
I’m really fine, I have no Problem with Boris, I’m just make him notice that he takes the same Path like the people he critizise( radical Muslims), he always talking about getting rid of Muslims, so what the difference between him and the radical Muslims?
January 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
@boris, mohammed:
Calm down guys. No need to call names. This isn’t slashdot.
Can’t someone invoke godwin’s law and be done with the whole thread? (from the quality of posts it might have already been invoked)
January 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pm
mohamed, you’re a fucking radical too. it’s only because “true” muslim radicals are so off the scale that you can call yourself moderate.
January 1st, 2007 at 12:23 am
Boris,
I just said that because you have the same attitude like the radical Muslim, you just talking about killing and trying to get rid of Muslims, grow up.
December 31st, 2006 at 8:57 pm
“I think Muslims child would scare you to death”
oh, how right you are. i am terrified of all religion-indoctrinated children, esp. muslims, because i know what they will do when they grow up.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Amınıza koym.. layn.. fuck you.. all. together.. firsth. usa kökliym.. gagırtym… acıtıym…
December 31st, 2006 at 8:28 am
Oh dear oh me, Mohammed you do seem to get such joy over petty issues (Boris, a cheerleader or not?). Keep avoiding showing proof to your claims (or even sources for those claims).
It really keeps eroding my faith in your ability to show me more than ability of parroting tenets of Muslims which you learned as a child.
You keep returning to historic issues which cannot be reversed but should be learned to cope with. So greedy men divided the middle-east, we know that. Forming of Israel was illegal and it caused untold pain and suffering, we know that.
But what keeps me in the dark is, why are Muslims unwilling to make the best of the situation instead of whining and killing? All that energy, all those lives which are spent in attacking others could be directed in helping others, which is better? Continued misery or improving the situation?
Another small prayer for all. I am not religious, but I love poetry.
Kia hora te marino, kia whakapapa pounamu te moana, kia tere ai te karohirohi i mua tonu i o koutou huarahi
May the calm be widespread, may the sea be as the smooth surface of the greenstone, and may the rays of sunshine forever dance along your pathway.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:45 am
Hey guys, I told you before Boris is a cheer leader:). He did it again. He applaud for DJ london.
Boris, stop dreaming, you will never get rid of Muslims or Islam, I think Muslims child would scare you to death, so stop saying things you are not up to:).
December 31st, 2006 at 6:41 am
Answer to # 2112.
I’m astounded to the narrow mindness that you can get. I never mentioned that I supported the goings on of our government. At present or in the past. You,my e-mail contemporary, support radically your islam beliefs because it was part of your upbringing. I miss, in your blogging, any form of controversy AGAINST your faith, there are certainly many reasons to do this. So I find your mails rather one sided. I was brought up in a society where contradiction from all sides is acccepted and expected with no fear of repercussion. It’s only our basic tolerance that has given the room for your faith to expand, and this frightens me into the depths of my sanity. I, personally, deplore all forms of voilence, against either human beings or any living thing. I believe in the findings of Charles Darwin and his evolution theory not, however, over a figment of someones imagination. Despite everything, I have the sense in respecting YOUR beliefs. Nevertheless, I would appreciate some sort of respect from your side, of the way I, and millions other people, think and talk of these matters.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:06 am
@D.J. London
you make so many good points. i applaud you on a worldly realization. i can only hope that towards the end of my life i can keep my integrity like you do right now. cheers mate. i come from a country that suffered under islam for more than 500 years. even to this day we have to deal with remnants of old turkish heritage. hopefuly not much longer. sometime soon we will be free of that filthy remnant in our society.
December 31st, 2006 at 4:34 am
hehe, first of all sun runs in no orbit. second, for many centuries men much older than 10 couldn’t figure out the relationship between the sun and the earth. maybe it’s not such an obvious thing. maybe we needed much research to come to that conclusion. same kind of research that pretty much blew all of the abrahamic religions clear out of the water.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
allah belanı versin. şerefsizler.
December 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
And i thought Mohammed was going to engage in an old fashioned Listen-And-Reply argument… Guess I’ve had my expectations too high.
I’m disappointed nontheless, because this seems to be what ALL religious people do, and they have the nerves to call themselves rational.
A weird world indeed.
December 30th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“but you are the same, radical Athiest want Islam to die, like radical Muslims want non Muslims to die including some Muslims too.”
Radical atheists want Islam to die out because they believe muslims and non-muslims will have a better life without religion.
Does radical muslims want people to die because they believe people will have a better life without their life?
There is a HUGE difference between destroying an ideology and destroying people.
Please think twice about what you write before you post it.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
So the English man talking here, and he doesn’t know that all of the suffering in the Middle East, and how they are not civilized results from the British and the French occuption and greed in last decade. If the Brits and the french didn’t divide the ME the wat it’s now, we wouldn’t have all of this issues add to that we wouldn’t have Israel, which it means there wouldn’t be any war.
Occuption for Middle East wasn’t religion driven, it was greed driven.
I’m sure you are old enough to remember the war cause by the British+israel+france on Egypt 1956, does it have any thing to do with religion, or does it have something to do with controlling Suez Canal.
I thought you are old enough to have some experince to let you see throught things, some young Athiest here can’t see, but you are the same, radical Athiest want Islam to die, like radical Muslims want non Muslims to die including some Muslims too.
Please if you have peaceful comment and help other people to reach to an agreement, may be we can make it better world, but with your attitude it’s going to be more wars.
Thank you
December 30th, 2006 at 10:53 am
I’ve been following this ’storm in a teacup’ since the whole thing blew way out of proportion at the beginning of the year. After divulging the majority of the e-mails and reading the infantile rantings of the pro Mohammed chapter, all I can only hope that this non-human virus which calls itself Islam will die a slow, suffocating death. Unfortunately, it seems to be on the increase because of the tolerance that our western society allows it to manifest. I’ve just seen a video of death by stoning in Iran. How civilised!! and these people claim, because of their religious fanatisism, that they were the cradle of modern civilisation. Might be, the only thing is that they haven’t developed one inch further, and that after over 1500 years. Religion, in what form whatever, may give some spiritual refuge for some people, but fact is that human carnage has its roots in some sort of sublime faith. How naive can one get. Who wants religion, who wants war, who wants the sort of pious crap that we get targeted at day after day. I’m now approaching 70 and the way things are going I wouldn’t dare to envisage what the world, under our so called religious leaders, will look like in 30 years. I’m glad I won’t be around at that time. Greetings to all the sane atheists in this weird world.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:29 am
This thread should remain as it is, to let it die under its own weight and then be covered with the static of internet so one day the data miners can rediscover it and see what happens to threads like this after they decompose
December 30th, 2006 at 1:38 am
Thank you Artkis for your comments, I totally agree with you.
I just hope we do something on this thread, it’s getting huge, and it’s really annoying to wait for it to open, I have high speed, yet it doesn’t help, it still freeze IE on one of my computers.
Gasonmo, please do something about it.
December 29th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
“Ragheads”? “Stupid”?
That’s abusive. Thankfully some of them probably don’t understand english. They might be semi-brainwashed, but so are you judging by the utter shit you just spewed into the comments.
Just because you’ve been trapped into believing something that would seem absurd to an outsider does not mean you are stupid. Perhaps you might deserve pity, but nobody deserves to be abused. Please don’t go around saying absolute shit like that. It doesn’t help.
December 29th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
these ragheads are sooooo fucking stupid!!!!, they can’t PROVE anything,
they have spouted thousands of words of bullshit on this thread.
all they can do is quote from an old book!!
THAT’S NOT PROOF
December 29th, 2006 at 9:14 am
Mohamed wrote:
“I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.”
There you go fooling yourself again :) Every survey I have come across indicates that the level of atheism and scepticism is higher among highly educated people than people without a higher education.
If I said to people without any evidence, that my god “Abracadabra” had told me everybody should obey me and do what I say and that I could have any woman i want, would a man of reason believe me?
“the prestigious magazine, Sciemtific American, published figures showing that while 90% of the general American public believes in a personal God and an afterlife, only 40% of scientists who are BS-degree-only holders so believe and only 10% of scientists regarded as eminent believe in a personal God or an afterlife.”
“In a 1998 survey of more than 500 members of the National Academy of Scientists, it was found that 72% were atheists, 21% were agnostics and 7% believed in God.”
“6 percent of professors view the Bible as the “word of God,†52 percent see it as “an ancient book of fables, legends, history and moral precepts,†and 42 percent see it as “the inspired word of God.”"
“Some studies have suggested that atheism is particularly prevalent among scientists, a tendency already quite marked at the beginning of the 20th century, developing into a dominant one during the course of the century. In 1914, James H. Leuba found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected U.S. natural scientists expressed “disbelief or doubt in the existence of God”. The same study, repeated in 1996, gave a similar percentage of 60.7%; this number is 93% among the members of the National Academy of Sciences.”
December 29th, 2006 at 5:59 am
Mohammed, you forgot the heart-brain issue. i hope you comment on that one in your next post.
I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.
Or else they may see the Flying Spaghetti Monster through the very same things.
About imaginary friends, I think who beleivs in evolution as theory for man-kind to exist needs to get rid of his imaginary friends.
From wikipedia:
An imaginary friend is an invented person, animal or character that is created especially by children, but sometimes by adults. The inventor will act as if the imaginary being is physically present by talking to it, playing with it, or even attempting to feed it. If told that the friend is non-existent, the inventor will often retaliate in a defensive manner by stating that the imaginary friend is invisible.
I don’t see how Evolution can count as an imaginary friend. Perhaps you should read a bit about it from a nutral source before bashing it?
Adny is not the worst, and tell me why Quran would the worst land, does it make sense to you
Okay i’m writing from memory here so it might not be 100% accurate. You can read Lisan Al-A’arab if you wanna check it out:
Dana=Yadno=To get close.
It may also be used to talk about vitures. “akhlakoho daneei’a”
So, where again did God say it’s the lowest point? Read your arabic.
Any child with ten years old would know that the sun runs in orbit, that doesn’t make sense, you condrdict your self, you know better than this.
Yeah, if that were what i said i would truely be a maniac, but it might has escaped you that the word “falak” doesn’t mean orbit exactly. It is more like a “road” or a “way”, so tell me about a 10 years old child that doesn’t know that the sun has a constant way through the sky.
My friend Ottman was the one who writting the Quran down, when Muhaamed was telling to him, because Muhammed didn’t know how to read and write, so Ottman would be the best one who know if there is something changing or not, add to that there were thousnads of Muslims memorize the whole Quran at this time, don’t you think they would notice.
Do you actually know anything about islamic history?!
Mohammed was already dead when Othman did this.
And again, you are taking Othman’s words for it that the Quran was not changed, without the slightest evidence…
Oh and what would those hundreds who knew the quran say when at some tribe they memorized a wrong word? perhaps a wrong vowel? even a wrong fullstop?
Islam is the right reiligion, I don’t agree with somebody who spam the site like that, I hope from our Muslims brothers, if you don’t have something to say. be respectful for other people, let them they what ever they want, we know where the truth lies.
And for that I thank you.
December 29th, 2006 at 4:10 am
Oh well, just cannot resist any longer, am such a lout but hear goes.
Aum
Bhuh Bhuvah Svah
Tat Savitur Varenyam
Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi
Dhiyo Yo nah Prachodayat
O thou existence Absolute, Creator of the three dimensions, we contemplate upon thy divine light. May He stimulate our intellect and bestow upon us true knowledge.
so there you have it!
December 29th, 2006 at 3:41 am
While I don’t agree with you that all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God (the more I reason and think the more of an Atheist become), I thank you for standing up for the idea that all muslims are not a batch of knee-jerk reactionary people that can do nothing but spam a board with what I can only guess (not speaking arabic) is brainless religious and hate propaganda.
Stand up for your right to disagree with people in intelligable phrases!
December 29th, 2006 at 1:01 am
I think all reasonable thinking men will be believers in a God, God give signs for the reasonable men to think and see him through a lot of things.
About imaginary friends, I think who beleivs in evolution as theory for man-kind to exist needs to get rid of his imaginary friends.
Adny is not the worst, and tell me why Quran would the worst land, does it make sense to you.
Any child with ten years old would know that the sun runs in orbit, that doesn’t make sense, you condrdict your self, you know better than this.
My friend Ottman was the one who writting the Quran down, when Muhaamed was telling to him, because Muhammed didn’t know how to read and write, so Ottman would be the best one who know if there is something changing or not, add to that there were thousnads of Muslims memorize the whole Quran at this time, don’t you think they would notice.
Islam is the right reiligion, I don’t agree with somebody who spam the site like that, I hope from our Muslims brothers, if you don’t have something to say. be respectful for other people, let them they what ever they want, we know where the truth lies.
Thank you.
December 28th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Just as I expected Ismail, you couldn’t give an answer and decided to demonstrate your shortcoming with meaningless spamming.
I hope for you your god didn’t notice how you humiliated his religion today.
December 28th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Thanks for the scary quote.
Here are some more:
“All thinking men are atheists”
- Ernest Hemingway
“I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind - that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking”
- Unknown
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy”
- Unknown
“Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth”
- Richard Dawkins (I think..)
“Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.”
- Unknown
“When you understand why you do not believe in other gods,
then you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.”
- Unknown
December 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
I love it, its not just the Xians that use that excuse, its all Abrahamic religions.
Lo, for this ancient book doth now declare itself the truth! You shall take my word as infalible only on the grounds of my saying that I am infalible! The non-believer will come to you and say with logic, which is a trick of satan, and demand a better reason for belief. Pay heed not their questions, for they, having working frontal lobes, will never enter the kingdom of the Prophet, peace be upon him!
—
“Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and … know nothing but the word of God.”
MARTIN LUTHER
December 28th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Ismail Gazel quoted:
“We have set veils over their hearts so that they understand this not, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.”
So what you say is that your god have made us into unbelievers on purpose?
Now why would he do that? because he need more souls to torture in that hell he seems so proud of?
What do you think about it Ismael Gazel? - or do you let other people, both dead and living, do the thinking for you?
I’m really looking forward to your answer. It will be interesting to see if you can think for yourself.
———
“We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.”
H.L. MENCKEN (1880-1956)
December 28th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
AHZAB SURESÄ° 40)Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
AHZAB SURESÄ° 21)Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exempler for him who hopes in Allah and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah.
KEFH SURESÄ° 56)We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
KEFH SURESÄ° 57)And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts so that they understand this not, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.
December 28th, 2006 at 11:29 am
LOL, I thought this page would die out months ago, but it appears to have found new life. I can add paged comments, but I really like the page the way it is. It has a certain presence ;) As for dialup users… do they exist? I haven’t used dialup since the Commodore 64/ Amiga 500 days ;)
300 baud or bust!!
gasmonso
December 28th, 2006 at 11:14 am
errrr Gasmonso, this page is really getting too big. It is already 2,312,675 bytes, and it doesn’t look like it will stop growing anytime soon.
How about implementing a paging feature? Like only 500 posts on a site? please?
Firefox crashed on my when i tried to search through this mess…
I pitty those guys who are using a dialup connection. It must take ages for them.
December 28th, 2006 at 10:46 am
You have done Allah a great service today. Your place in the afterlife is assured.
December 28th, 2006 at 9:36 am
I don’t know why he and others like him think Allah has chosen them for the Holy task of spamming the comments.
Allah: “Hey, Akbar. *snicker* Psst. Wake up! It’s me, Allah. *more snickering* Listen, I want you to go to a computer…”
December 28th, 2006 at 8:20 am
@Ulrik
it will (hopefully) lead to natural selection and evolution of (insert religious guy’s name here) grey cells.
Seriously, if your child became a teenager and still had an imaginary friend, wouldnR